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Heard last night that Anthony Buckley is definitely gone from Cork City. Gunther's immense man-management skills come to the fore again with this one.
Best of luck Bucks.
Yeah I heard a rumour that he had a bust-up with Gunther and said that he never wants to play for city again:( :( :(
Lets hope theres no truth to it.
Can you not read COM, he said that Bucks has left due to a fight with Gunther. Bucks was let go with 'mutual consent'.
F**K SAKE GUNTHER ya toss*r
why did ya hafta go an do that?
eh?
Troy.McClure
12/05/2002, 11:38 AM
Well if he does leave, and it would be a shame if he did, it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. Bucks isnt the most consistant player in the squad, he's very injury prone and even when he is ontop of his own game and free from injury, he isnt the best player around and IMO he doesnt contribute alot to the team besides effort, but effort alone isnt good enough. A good squad player, but not as good as O'Grady, Bennett, (posibly) Greg & (hopefully) Reynolds.
He was good before he went away to america. i think he's been a waste of space since he came back. i'm glad he's gone, we need to get rid of the dead wood.
I agree, he was without a doubt our worst player last season, and that's saying something.
We're better off without him.
Troy.McClure
13/05/2002, 9:39 AM
:confused: :confused: :confused:
I would have thought that more of ye would be saying what a loss he was and it was all Gunther's fault... just for the sake of being Anti-Gunther! Im very disapointed in ye lads!
I've no inside knowledge but could tell Gunther & Bucks body language in the last few months that not all was well.
This is a worrying trend of Gunther p***ing off the more experienced players on the team. I believe Gunther is unable to work with anyone older than their early 20's.
Bucks may not have been the best player last year but i don't belive he was the worst either. Seeing as our midfield spend most of the game watching the (long) balls fly over their heads i'm surprised any of them are able too flurrish. Tynan, Herrick, Flanagan, Ollie, Cotter, Moore, now Bucks & possibly Colin O'Brien have left the club in the last year.
BEWARE Gunther is constructing a team to play his long ball game.
:( :(
Originally posted by pete
BEWARE Gunther is constructing a team to play his long ball game.
Just one more season left for Gunther. We can't get rid of him now - it would cost too much much. But anymore rubbish like last season and he'd need some neck to sign another contract.
Bucks isin't the only one who disagrees constantly with Gunther. I've heard that the majority of the squad have no time for him personally or for his style of play.
It's great that we are signing the likes of Billy Woods but with Murphy in charge it will all be in vein.
1 more season. Pass down the Rope there.
Éanna
13/05/2002, 11:34 AM
i don't think Bucks played too well last season, but what do you expect when the manager is so utterly stupid. Bucks likes to keep the ball on the deck and play in the centre- his orders were to get out on the wing and hoof it, no wonder he didn't look too good! It's not the loss of bucks as a player that concerns me particularly, but the fact that its another sign of that meglomanic little git on his power trips booting out anyone who won't play his appalling and ineffective brand of "football."
James
13/05/2002, 11:37 AM
exactly same with jimmy the gnome,
mulligan was a class player with harps and scored alot of goals playing behind a front man, he too didnt look the best plast year, as didnt bucks from the matches i saw.
the reasons for this though i would put down to playing for a team that has little confidence in a manager that plays players out of position,
but in all fairness to gunther he did pick up an injury playing for city years ago so that excuses all the mistakes
*Neil you found that rope yet? *
Pablo
13/05/2002, 12:40 PM
I think what we have to look at this time, is that Gunther has left Bucks go and replaced him with 3 signings....one proven quality(Woodsie) and 2 with good potential....maybe we should give the man a chance. lets support the club this time, a bit of optimism does wonders
Éanna
13/05/2002, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Pablo
I think what we have to look at this time, is that Gunther has left Bucks go and replaced him with 3 signings
Yeah, but look at the number of players who he got rid of and didn't replace- optimism is all well and good, but I can't manage it when it comes to grunter.
now that most of the dead wood is gone, it'll help too. a young team, a few signings, fridays at the X! i cant help but feel optimistic?
Have you ever considered actually suppoting the team this year? lets wipe the slate clean i say.
Originally posted by Pablo
now that most of the dead wood is gone
The deadest wood of all is a fella by the name of Gunther Murphy.
The football style commonly known as "hoofing" doesn't work, and it doesn't show any of the players in the best light. That's what has to chance, albeit with a change of manager eventually. But then the players can show some skills...
Originally posted by Pablo
Have you ever considered actually suppoting the team this year? lets wipe the slate clean i say.
Theres a difference between supprting a team & following the team (over the cliff).
Its all very well for a manager to want to bring in players to play the football he wants but remember Liam has been assistant manager at the club for years & has worked with many of these players for years. What has made all these people "bad players" overnight.
Whatever about the standard of football being played Gunther seems incapable of working with players that aren't too young to know any better or haven't been at the club long enough to know any better.
I think Gunthers been watching too many videos of Ireland under Jack Charlton - expect to see Carey "converted" to a right winger soon to accomadate Deccie at right back.
btw its not just city fans who see us as hoofers - almost all others supporters bored by Gunthers brand of footie by now too.
:(
City won the league playing that type of football.......i'd pick sucess over style anyday.
Originally posted by Pablo
City won the league playing that type of football.......i'd pick sucess over style anyday.
Point made but that was a different time just like Mick McCarthy wouldn't get to the WC playing that brand of footie now either.
I've nothing against long passes as long as not aimless long passes (i.e. a hoof)
;)
Éanna
14/05/2002, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Pablo
Have you ever considered actually suppoting the team this year?
There's never been a minute since I started supporting City that I have stopped- I have no confidence in Liam Murphy and I never will have, but I don't hold that against the players.
Originally posted by Éanna
.....but I don't hold that against the players.
ahem........Hartigol?
;)
Troy.McClure
14/05/2002, 3:55 PM
Originally posted by Éanna
I have no confidence in Liam Murphy and I never will have, but I don't hold that against the players.
Could it be that your haterd for Gunther is blinding your judgement? A bit more objectiveness would be in order Id say Eanna.
Originally posted by Éanna
Id still want Gunther out even if we won the Champions League
Éanna
15/05/2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Could it be that your haterd for Gunther is blinding your judgement?
Could be- same way as gunthers complete ignorance and personal vendettas have blinded his judgement and led to many excellent city players leaving the club.
Troy.McClure
15/05/2002, 4:56 PM
Originally posted by Éanna
Could be- same way as gunthers complete ignorance and personal vendettas have blinded his judgement and led to many excellent city players leaving the club.
Well he has brought many excellent players IN to the club! (Credit to where credit's due and all that?!?)
Anyway, Id say that only 1 of the players that left was actually anygood/championship winner material, and that was Ollie, who was replaced by Billy, so thats not all bad news now is it?:)
Éanna
16/05/2002, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Well he has brought many excellent players IN to the club!
In one whole season, he brought in O'Grady.....................great sigining, but he got rid of too many. Haven't seen any of the others yet, so no comment.
Troy.McClure
16/05/2002, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Éanna
In one whole season, he brought in O'Grady
And Bennet, and O'Flynn,and CPOB, and Mulconroy, (and Hartigol ;) )
And you know yourself the number he has brought in this year. Fair enough about not knowing how good they are, but you know about Billy.
Also, he's been given NO money, so you have to credit the gut with actually signing any players at all, especially ones of the calibour of O'Grady and Woods. He must have some charm in him somewhere!:eek:
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
He must have some charm in him somewhere!:eek:
Brian Lennox is the difference between this season and last. He has a real desire to see Cork City successful. The last mob didn't.
Troy.McClure
16/05/2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Neil
Brian Lennox is the difference between this season and last. He has a real desire to see Cork City successful. The last mob didn't.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt Lennox with the last "mob". Infact, he's been there for the last few years! + had a chance to take over after Dunne left which he didnt take. Its not like he's a knight in shining armour ariving to see a wreck and fixing everything in one go. He's a positive thing, but just coz he sits at a different seat for the board meetings doesnt mean that everything (besides the manager :rolleyes: ) is wonderful.
Lennox seems to be a good force for the club, and I hope he has great success. Let's not think of him as the one and only saviour however, and rest all our fate in him. Let's not put all our chips in the one basket, so to speak(groan!).....;)
Lennox has complete control over the club at the moment. He can take the club the way he wants, and doesn't have to answer to the Cowboys that were Noel O'Mahoney and Terry Dunne et al.
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Also, he's been given NO money, so you have to credit the gut with actually signing any players at all,
ahem what about the signing of jimmy mulligan and mick devine (both which cost a pretty penny - circa 30k afaik)..
i know they were signed by mountfield, ie in the first few weeks he was incharge at city, but gunther was his right-hand man and was behind those signings..
so irrespective of how successful those signings have been _ he has been given money when required
Originally posted by James
ahem what about the signing of jimmy mulligan and mick devine (both which cost a pretty penny - circa 30k afaik)..
i know they were signed by mountfield, ie in the first few weeks he was incharge at city, but gunther was his right-hand man and was behind those signings..
Exactely.
He promoted Carey & Bennet into the 1st team as well as getting O'Grady - all good decisions.
Mulconroy hasn't done much yet & all those returnees from the UK pretty much wanted to play for city whoever in charge.
It also would have been a disaster if they weren't able to convince Woods to play for city instead of commute to dublin for games with a new mamnager & new style of play.
Leenon has to accept his part of the blame for the recent failings of the board including the halftime meeting to sack DM. He seems to talk a good talk but heard some of that before so juries out on him also for now....
i'm trying to be optomistic and i know hartigan has gone but i reckon that without ollie cahill city are going to have their worst season in a long time.
Originally posted by eoinh
i'm trying to be optomistic and i know hartigan has gone but i reckon that without ollie cahill city are going to have their worst season in a long time.
Ollie is a great player, and the last thing I wanted was to see him go, BUT.....
Ollie was not carrying the team for the whole season. The players that have come in to the club will more than make up for his loss and CCFC will have a much better season than last...C'mon man, don't admit defeat before we start at all......:)
Troy.McClure
17/05/2002, 1:50 PM
Originally posted by oddboy
Lennox seems to be a good force for the club
Lennox is a Jedi,
Lennox is a Jedi,
Na na na na (hey),
Na na na na (hey),
Lennox is a Jedi,
Lennox is a Jedi,
Na na na na (hey),
Na na na na (hey),
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