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Fair_play_boy
19/11/2005, 7:19 PM
Fair Play to Derry also for keeping the league going right to the last day .If Derry had not put us under so much pressure, Shels could well have caught us in the September / October period when they put a string of wins together.

Fair_play_boy
19/11/2005, 7:25 PM
well done, best team in the country won it in the end, totally deserved, any other year and Derry would have won it, delighted for fellow townies Michael Devine and John O'Flynn.Is that all??? Thought there was another squad member from your neck of the woods. But hell, we will remember the Cobh lads alright.
Always struck me as a tad unfair when the media said that Sonya was from Cork, always implying Cork City. But in Johno's and Mick's case, that is OK I guess.:D

Troy.McClure
20/11/2005, 12:21 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys. It was an amazing match last night, Ive never seen anything like it. Porbably the nearest comparison would be like the day Ireland beat Holand to qualify for the World Cup - if you could get that feeling of ecstasy of the minute after MacAteer scored the goal and streched it out over 10 hours, and condenced it from a country in to one city, then you would have some sort of idea of what yesterday was like! Ive never seen a football ground (in any sport) full to the rafters an hour before kick off and buzzing so much!

Thanks also to the Derry supporters who came out and celibrated with us. Best of luck in the UEFA Cup next year.

Risteard
20/11/2005, 1:05 PM
Well done City, thoroughly deserved.....Was just in the garage getting de echo reading THE headline and a guy appears behind me with his city jersey and the same red eyes as me & says with a hint of pirde....."championees" .....it just sums up perfectly how everyone feels, again well done city, best nite ever!
Ha.
Brilliant.
Went into Centra Saturday morning and yer man behind ther counter was very bleary-eyed. His phone went off then and his ringtone was the Shed singing Richardsons Rebel Army when he was brought down to the Shed.

Also was in Dolans Warehouse last night in the jacks and there was Rebel Army chants outside the cubicle.

wws
20/11/2005, 1:13 PM
Ha.

Also was in Dolans Warehouse last night in the jacks and there was Rebel Army chants outside the cubicle.



Dolan owns a warehouse down there???!?! or is that a typo hehe snigger

Green Tribe
20/11/2005, 2:00 PM
Congrats to Cork and hard luck to Derry. I have no club allegiance, but I was routing for Derry (nearest to my home) :(

superfrank
20/11/2005, 4:57 PM
Congratulations. You were the best team in the league.

Ronnie
21/11/2005, 8:39 AM
Well done City - two clubs got more pints than Shels last year. League table doesen't lie, best team won the league and the second best finished second. y the way, the Cross isn't big enough!

ThatGuy
21/11/2005, 10:22 AM
Yeah congratulations to Cork, deserved champions and the best team in Ireland over the course of the season.

The Sheliban
21/11/2005, 10:48 AM
Would I be so churlish as to point out that if your final game had been in the Brandywell and not Turners Cross, you probably wouldn't be Champions now?
No Of course I wouldn't.

Seriously, well done Rico, well deserved, didn't like your comments before the game, but congratulations nonetheless.

In the end, there was so little between the top two. Both would have made deserved champions.

Dricky
21/11/2005, 11:29 AM
Would I be so churlish as to point out that if your final game had been in the Brandywell and not Turners Cross, you probably wouldn't be Champions now?
No Of course I wouldn't.

Seriously, well done Rico, well deserved, didn't like your comments before the game, but congratulations nonetheless.

In the end, there was so little between the top two. Both would have made deserved champions.


Can we be so childish and point out that even if you lot were any good you still would of Lost. If we could travel to Shels and make you look ordinary once, plain twice why do you think we couldn't do it in the Brandywell.

The Sheliban
21/11/2005, 11:33 AM
Err, because the Brandywell is a particularly hard place for any side to go and get a win.

Block G Raptor
21/11/2005, 11:55 AM
Would I be so churlish as to point out that if your final game had been in the Brandywell and not Turners Cross, you probably wouldn't be Champions now?
No Of course I wouldn't.

Seriously, well done Rico, well deserved, didn't like your comments before the game, but congratulations nonetheless.

In the end, there was so little between the top two. Both would have made deserved champions.


Dito!!

tiktok
21/11/2005, 12:20 PM
Would I be so churlish as to point out that if your final game had been in the Brandywell and not Turners Cross, you probably wouldn't be Champions now?

To be fair, while Derry may feel hard done by having to visit the Cross twice this season, I honestly don't think they could have lived with us on Friday's performance even at home, they had a young side who seemed caught up by the occasion and I think their performance suffered, we actually stepped up our game.

Also, this season we had to travel to Shels twice, while Derry had them at home twice. I still think the 33 game league is daft, but over the season these things balance out and you finish where you deserve to, We took 25 points from 27 in Dublin this year, that's exceptional IMO.

Dillo
21/11/2005, 12:48 PM
Hard luck Derry.

pete
22/11/2005, 10:38 AM
So proud to win the league playing great football in front of 9000 people packed into the cross live on tv.

Players really proved they can consistently perform in big games.

NY Hoop
22/11/2005, 3:36 PM
Well done to Cork and particularly Damien. Can only comment on what I saw and they beat us easily three times whereas we won in Derry.

Great advertisement for the league friday and at the end of the day that's what its all about.

KOH

Dricky
22/11/2005, 4:33 PM
Err, because the Brandywell is a particularly hard place for any side to go and get a win.


So we should make it easier for them is it????? that is the whole point of home and away like it or love it, it is an excuse and that is it, pointless from Kenny.

Sorry should make this clearer.

If could woulds, we at City have had that and it gauled alot of us some more than others. Get on with the job and stop moaning that is all, those sort of thing **** me off because they are what if's.

The Sheliban
23/11/2005, 11:22 AM
No my point is that Cork fans are trumpeting about that they're the best side ever to have won the League, and I was merely pointing out that it was a very very thin line between them finishing first and second.
It is doubtful whether they would have put on last Friday's performance at the Brandywell.

But as I said before, both teams deserved it for their consistency.

rebs23
23/11/2005, 11:36 AM
No my point is that Cork fans are trumpeting about that they're the best side ever to have won the League, and I was merely pointing out that it was a very very thin line between them finishing first and second.
It is doubtful whether they would have put on last Friday's performance at the Brandywell.

But as I said before, both teams deserved it for their consistency.

Oh just ............................F.O.

aido_b
23/11/2005, 4:05 PM
well done lads on decent league campaign, all the best for Europe!

dancinpants
23/11/2005, 6:22 PM
To be fair, while Derry may feel hard done by having to visit the Cross twice this season, I honestly don't think they could have lived with us on Friday's performance even at home, they had a young side who seemed caught up by the occasion and I think their performance suffered, we actually stepped up our game.

This I agree with to an extent - however if the match was at the Brandywell, well - (and I'm not saying you lads would never have won) it would have been a much closer game.


Also, this season we had to travel to Shels twice, while Derry had them at home twice. I still think the 33 game league is daft, but over the season these things balance out and you finish where you deserve to, We took 25 points from 27 in Dublin this year, that's exceptional IMO.

Lets take the long view here. Coming into this season Cork were (are) a very strong and settled side, and Top 3 material for last 5 years or so. We on the other hand came into the season having finished 7th last season - most people thought we'd do well to finsh behind just Cork, Shels and Drogs this season. So when the fixture list came out - away trips twice to Cork, and twice to Drogs (even the two away trips to Bohs looked shady) looked a damn side more daunting to us than 2 away trips to Shels looked to you. Even though you were away to Shel's twice, we still managed to beat them in Tolka twice when you include the FAI Cup game.

Nobody points out that, far from being the pace setting team in the league blazing a trail to league glory - we both won 22 league games FFS!!. Nobody has pointed out that we racked up 3 goals on atleast one ocassion against 8 of the 11 teams in the division.

Bottom line? Cork and Derry are easily on a par.

patsh
23/11/2005, 7:19 PM
City
2 away trips to
$hels
Bohs
Rovers
Longford
Waterford
Harps
so thats 17 away games, 9 games in Dublin, none of which we lost, we got 25 points from 27.
Setanta Cup games + UEFA games mean 10 more games straight off for City, as well as Cup games, league cup games, even Munster Senior cup games.
City had to play FAR more games that Derry, quite a few of them a few days straight after long away trips to Europe.
Derry are not on a par with City, otherwise we both have the same number of points at the end of the season.
Derry had a great season to come from where they were last year, but just face the fact that we are a far superior side.
Lets see how you cope with Europe next year, and hopefully you will do as well as we have over the last two seasons.

dancinpants
23/11/2005, 8:43 PM
City
2 away trips to
$hels
Bohs
Rovers
Longford
Waterford
Harps
so thats 17 away games, 9 games in Dublin, none of which we lost, we got 25 points from 27.

Add 1 away to UCD and 1 away to Pats? et voila - thats 8 trips to Dublin 22/24 points. We only won 5 out of 7 - wow, yer right, we must be far inferior than you!!


Setanta Cup games + UEFA games mean 10 more games straight off for City, as well as Cup games, league cup games, even Munster Senior cup games.
City had to play FAR more games that Derry, quite a few of them a few days straight after long away trips to Europe.
Derry are not on a par with City, otherwise we both have the same number of points at the end of the season.

Ok you played 21 games outside the league (Setanta:4, LeagueCup:2, UEFA:6, FAI Cup:6, and the Munster Senior Cup:3). But seriously, I'm sure youse fielded a sh!t hot team against St Marys, Avondale, AND the mighty Carrick Utd. You played 6 in the FAI Cup due to the fact you couldn't put away Harps or Galway in 90 minutes - so that was yer own tough titty.. Let's take out the MSC, you played 18 (should have been 16 but ah well)...we played 4 FAI Cup, and 5 League Cup. Therefore you played 9 extra games than Derry this season. Sure thats nothing when you consider that Cork are a full time team and that we are NOT. So thats that part of your argument gone too.


Derry had a great season to come from where they were last year, but just face the fact that we are a far superior side.
Lets see how you cope with Europe next year, and hopefully you will do as well as we have over the last two seasons.

I REALLY hope we do too - coz our European record so far makes for some dire reading to be brutally honest.

As for your argument that "if derry were on a par with cork we'd have got the same amount of points" - surely you can do better than that!!!

Poor Student
23/11/2005, 8:52 PM
A belated congratulations to Cork. You were the best team I have seen live against UCD this season. Just walked right through us in that 5-1 game. Deserved title and made for one hell of an interesting race for the neutral. Do us proud in Europe next season please.:D

Speranza
23/11/2005, 9:48 PM
If you were as you claim "far superior" then the league wouldn't have had run to the last day. The teams are on a par.

coislaoi
23/11/2005, 10:07 PM
I think the teams are close to being on par. There was only two points between us at the end of the season. However, the league was not won and lost necessarily last Friday night but over the course of 33 games. We won because we had more points over 33 games (obvious I know:confused: ) and we also took 6 points out 9 against you. Excluding the games between us you got more points.:eek:
Shíte, I've just contradicted myself.:p

RedX
23/11/2005, 11:29 PM
The teams are on a par.



We are streets ahead of you...;) ..you had a lucky season really...:D

sullanefc
24/11/2005, 12:29 AM
bottom line we played 17 away games and 16 home games and still won. This home and away sh!t is always going to crop up in a 33 team league. We won fair and square (due to the rules that we play by). So thems the breaks Derry had to play us at the Cross twice, big deal, we wiped Derry away. Cork the Better Team (by a long way) IMO.

Dricky
24/11/2005, 8:46 AM
You were shown up as pretenders on Friday

tiktok
24/11/2005, 9:26 AM
If you were as you claim "far superior" then the league wouldn't have had run to the last day. The teams are on a par.

I'd agree we're close enough to it, I wasn't having a go at Derry, just pointing out that the league (despite the format) balances out over the season and you end up where you deserve to.

The only team to give us a lesson this year were Derry (edit: and Slavia I guess)
I'm sure last friday was the only time Derry were played off the field too.

There was nothing between the teams in fairness, two point difference in the end from a possible 99 goes to show that.

dancinpants
24/11/2005, 4:39 PM
bottom line we played 17 away games and 16 home games and still won.

Ahm....so did we ;)

dancinpants
24/11/2005, 4:42 PM
I'd agree we're close enough to it, I wasn't having a go at Derry, just pointing out that the league (despite the format) balances out over the season and you end up where you deserve to.

The only team to give us a lesson this year were Derry (edit: and Slavia I guess)
I'm sure last friday was the only time Derry were played off the field too.

There was nothing between the teams in fairness, two point difference in the end from a possible 99 goes to show that.

Thank you tiktok - at last we get a reasonably fair appraisal of the season from someone on here.

Gareth
25/11/2005, 12:33 PM
Never got round to posting, but well done Cork on the league win.

pete
25/11/2005, 12:51 PM
The only team to give us a lesson this year were Derry (edit: and Slavia I guess) I'm sure last friday was the only time Derry were played off the field too.


I agree. We only lost 3 league games & Derry was only one that was fully deserved. Loses to Drogs & Pats involved bus parking by both teams at the cross.

patsh
25/11/2005, 1:09 PM
Add 1 away to UCD and 1 away to Pats? et voila - thats 8 trips to Dublin 22/24 points. We only won 5 out of 7 - wow, yer right, we must be far inferior than you!!



Ok you played 21 games outside the league (Setanta:4, LeagueCup:2, UEFA:6, FAI Cup:6, and the Munster Senior Cup:3). But seriously, I'm sure youse fielded a sh!t hot team against St Marys, Avondale, AND the mighty Carrick Utd. You played 6 in the FAI Cup due to the fact you couldn't put away Harps or Galway in 90 minutes - so that was yer own tough titty.. Let's take out the MSC, you played 18 (should have been 16 but ah well)...we played 4 FAI Cup, and 5 League Cup. Therefore you played 9 extra games than Derry this season. Sure thats nothing when you consider that Cork are a full time team and that we are NOT. So thats that part of your argument gone too.



I REALLY hope we do too - coz our European record so far makes for some dire reading to be brutally honest.

As for your argument that "if derry were on a par with cork we'd have got the same amount of points" - surely you can do better than that!!!
Get over your bitterness, you had a good season, so let it go...:rolleyes:
Suddnely Derry are a part-time team?
Get a grip. Why does your manager make such a big thing of having all his players living in Derry so that they can train together every day?
Thats full-time, no matter how many hairs you try to split.:rolleyes:

City played 9 league games in Dublin
2 v, $hels, Bohs, Rovers = 6
1 v UCD, SPA, Bray = 9
25 points from 27.

City played 51 games within the same period of time as you played 42.

City are by far the better side, coming on here whinging that Derry are the same just because you claim they are isn't much of an argument.

I hope Kenny strengthens your squad, btw, I think you will need to for playing in Europe.

dancinpants
26/11/2005, 3:58 AM
Get over your bitterness, you had a good season, so let it go...:rolleyes:
Suddnely Derry are a part-time team?
Get a grip. Why does your manager make such a big thing of having all his players living in Derry so that they can train together every day?
Thats full-time, no matter how many hairs you try to split.:rolleyes:

Patsh, you really should do some research there my friend. Quick example...why do you think theres so much speculation surrounding Delaney? Coz he can't get a job in Derry. Eamonn Doherty? Fireman. Gary Beckett? Postman. Ciaran Martyn? Lawyer. Starting to understand the whole "part-time" concept are we?


City played 9 league games in Dublin
2 v, $hels, Bohs, Rovers = 6
1 v UCD, SPA, Bray = 9
25 points from 27.

Yeah well the rest of the teams in the league travel to Wicklow to play Bray, but its nice that ye seem to have played them at a neutral venue :rolleyes:

But lets go with your twisted geography and rationale for a sec: 1 v, Shels, Rovers, Pats = 3, - 2 v, Bohs, UCD, Bray = 6. Therefore we played 9 matches in "Dublin" too!!! Accumulating 22 points - I know, I know, pathetic in comparison to your gargantuan 25!!!


City played 51 games within the same period of time as you played 42.

54 - ye can't forget those 3 titanic struggles in the Munster Senior Cup! Do ye want me to explain the part time thingy to you all over again?



City are by far the better side, coming on here whinging that Derry are the same just because you claim they are isn't much of an argument.

I think I'm doing a better job of arguing my points better than you are.


I hope Kenny strengthens your squad, btw, I think you will need to for playing in Europe.

So do I, but I don't think we need to do too much to the squad. I'd really like us to progress a round this time...because as I pointed out above, our Euro record makes for tough reading. Also because we are a part time team, the Setanta and Europe is going to take a toll on the team, so we need to add a couple of bodies to the squad.

Also, I think Rico needs to strengthen Cork's squad too - ye need to be able to give teams like Slavia a better game than you did if you want to go anywhere...but don't get me wrong - if we do half as good as you lads in Europe I'll be fairly happy, ye lot just have higher expectations in Europe than most right now.

In all this ranting in this post and others I forgot - Congrats on the title!!

patsh
26/11/2005, 9:49 AM
Training as a squad together EVERY day is the same as a full-time setup.
Bizarre that the Fire service didn't need Doherty last Friday, or that the mail still got delivered when Beckett wasn't there. Or did he have to do his route before he travelled down to Cork?
Continually plaeading that a team that trains together every day is some how a part time setup is ridiculous.
How many games did Doherty, Beckett, others have to miss this season because they had to be at work?
You are spliting hairs to have a whinge.
In actual fact, what we should have are 2 league titles.
1 for the "full-time" team finishing the highest, and one for the "part-time" team finishing highest. Therefors by your reckoning, Derry are the part-time league champions. Congratulations.

dancinpants
26/11/2005, 5:54 PM
Training as a squad together EVERY day is the same as a full-time setup.
Bizarre that the Fire service didn't need Doherty last Friday, or that the mail still got delivered when Beckett wasn't there. Or did he have to do his route before he travelled down to Cork?
Continually plaeading that a team that trains together every day is some how a part time setup is ridiculous.
How many games did Doherty, Beckett, others have to miss this season because they had to be at work?
You are spliting hairs to have a whinge.
In actual fact, what we should have are 2 league titles.
1 for the "full-time" team finishing the highest, and one for the "part-time" team finishing highest. Therefors by your reckoning, Derry are the part-time league champions. Congratulations.

It just seems to have all gone over your head :rolleyes:

patsh
26/11/2005, 6:41 PM
It just seems to have all gone over your head :rolleyes:
Excellent. You've completely proved your point and won me over.