Liam Lawlor dies in Moscow car crash

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Reports that he has been killed in a car crash in Russia

[Poor Student]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1022/russia.html

Weird. I was reading a report earlier today that an Irish citizen was killed in a car crash in Moscow. Didn't think it was anyone of note. I wonder what he was doing there.:confused:

[sligoman]

I wonder what he was doing there.:confused:On a business trip according to Tv3

[sligoman]

Tributes have begun pouring in from across the political spectrum, following the news of Liam Lawlor's death.

In Killarney, where the Fianna Fáil party is holding its Árd Fheis, the Taoiseach has said he's shocked by the news.

The two men entered Dáil Eireann on the same day in 1977.

In a statement, the Taoiseach extended his sympathies to Liam Lawlor’s wife Hazel, his children and his extended family.

He described Mr Lawlor as an engaging, witty and larger than life character.

The Taoiseach said Mr Lawlor was “never afraid to express his trenchant views”.

Fianna Fáil TD John Curran - who succeeded Liam Lawlor in the newly-created constituency of Dublin Mid-West - says he was still a popular person in the area:

“Liam was involved in politics for a long time - he has had a colourful career,” he said.

“Quite honestly, his name still comes up at doorsteps and there are constituents of mine that Liam has worked for and they would acknowledge that to this very day,” he added.

The Tánaiste Mary Harney expressed her regret at the death of Liam Lawlor.

In a statement she said that to lose his life in an accident so far from home, represents a terrible tragedy for his family and friends.

The Minister for Health has extended her sincere sympathy to Mr Lawlor's widow Hazel and their children.

The Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny has also expressed his deepest sympathy to Liam Lawlor's family.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/10/22/story226703.html

[A face]

“Liam was involved in politics for a long time - he has had a colourful career,” he said.

............. :p

[pineapple stu]

Apparently he had a 20-year-old Ukrainian girl in the back seat of a taxi. The tabloids are saying she was a hooker. Swerved to avoid a pedestrian at 1:00am and hit a street lamp. Taxi driver died later.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Apparently he had a 20-year-old Ukrainian girl in the back seat of a taxi. The tabloids are saying she was a hooker. Swerved to avoid a pedestrian at 1:00am and hit a street lamp. Taxi driver died later.

Apparently all 20 year old Ukrainian girls in taxi's in Moscow are hookers. She might very well have been a translator :rolleyes: What happened to her by the way?

[sligoman]

What happened to her by the way?Very seriously injured last I heard.

[pineapple stu]

Apparently all 20 year old Ukrainian girls in taxis in Moscow are hookers. She might very well have been a translator :rolleyes:
Don't they speak Ukrainian in the Ukraine? Might want a Russian translator.;) (Even if I'd imagine most would have fluent Russian there anyway).

Anyway, just reporting what the papers said. Could have been a shared taxi, could have been anything.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Don't they speak Ukrainian in the Ukraine? Might want a Russian translator.;) (Even if I'd imagine most would have fluent Russian there anyway).

Anyway, just reporting what the papers said. Could have been a shared taxi, could have been anything.

Most Ukrainians would have Russian as a second language as a result of occupation by the Russians under the guise of the USSR from 1917 to 1991.
In my experience of having travelled to various parts of Eastern Europe with football sides, translators can be as young as 16 or 17, so a 20 year old would not be unusual.

[the 12 th man]

Very seriously injured last I heard.

According to the Observer she was only slightly injured.
Moscow Police described Her also as a Hooker.

[sligoman]

According to the Observer she was only slightly injured.Could be right, I read this on Errortel:rolleyes: :D

[CollegeTillIDie]

Well Moscow Police are susceptible to bribes, because they do not receive their salary on time, so if you paid them enough money they would describe the victim has anything you want them to.

[Poor Student]

It was in a redlight district too. Police have interviewed the girl and they say she appears to be a prostitute. Given the rather unsavoury nature of Mr. Lawlor I would be far from surprised to find out she was a postitute. A good 40% of the Ukraine are ethnically Russian and speak it as a first language as far as I know, that being the Eastern half but I somehow doubt she was a translator. I must say I find the tributes laughable. I'm not saying Lawlor was an absolute demon, but he has been made sound somewhat of an upstanding citizen, particularly by the Taoiseach.

[Green Tribe]

It was in a redlight district too. Police have interviewed the girl and they say she appears to be a prostitute. Given the rather unsavoury nature of Mr. Lawlor I would be far from surprised to find out she was a postitute. A good 40% of the Ukraine are ethnically Russian and speak it as a first language as far as I know, that being the Eastern half but I somehow doubt she was a translator. I must say I find the tributes laughable. I'm not saying Lawlor was an absolute demon, but he has been made sound somewhat of an upstanding citizen, particularly by the Taoiseach.

Typical, not many speak ill of the dead. When you're living, you're the worst, but at a funeral etc "Ah, he was a great man.....blah blah :D :rolleyes:

[Poor Student]

Typical, not many speak ill of the dead. When you're living, you're the worst, but at a funeral etc "Ah, he was a great man.....blah blah :D :rolleyes:

I know of course KT (or do you prefer GT now?:confused: ), but you've got to draw the line somewhere, no?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Very few Irish people speak ill of the dead, cause very few of us speak well of the living......

[Partizan]

My sympathy goes out to his wife and kids who had to put up with this cowboy who swindled the state out of millions and done Tomas McGiolla, one of the best and hard working TD's in Dail Eireann out of his seat. The returning officer that day was a well known Lawlor aquintance.

Greedy, corrupt and aloof, Lawlor is a microcosm of a self centred society that is existent in Ireland that is well and truly rotten to the core.

[sylvo]

Typical, not many speak ill of the dead. When you're living, you're the worst, but at a funeral etc "Ah, he was a great man.....blah blah :D :rolleyes:


I agree KT, or should I say GT, He was no different to members of any organised crime gang, pocketing massive amounts of money with his dodgy deals which his TD status was able to give him the power to do so, and then giving the courts and enquirys the middle finger.

He represented everything thats rotten about Irish politics and showed perfectly why Ireland was held back by corrupt politicains who have lined their own pockets for so long.

I'm sorry to see the man has died, but at the end of the day the man wasn't a fine example, he was no different to any other crime boss.

[Partizan]

I'm sorry to see the man has died, but at the end of the day the man wasn't a fine example, he was no different to any other crime boss.

Except his activities were 'legalised'.

[sylvo]

Except his activities were 'legalised'.



;) :eek:

[Troy.McClure]

The Sindo reported that she was a teenager from the Ukraine, but rte (http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1023/lawlorl.html) are now reporting that she was an interpreter.

I feel sorry for his family though as the press arent being too sympathic to them with alot of hearsay and speculation. Interestingly model Glenda Gleeson is his niece, wouldnt have suspected that!

[CollegeTillIDie]

The Sindo reported that she was a teenager from the Ukraine, but rte (http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1023/lawlorl.html) are now reporting that she was an interpreter.

I feel sorry for his family though as the press arent being too sympathic to them with alot of hearsay and speculation. Interestingly model Glenda Gleeson is his niece, wouldnt have suspected that!

RTE confirmed that the Ukranian woman was employed as an interpreter in Prague which gets back to a point I made in my original posting. Nothing surprising about someone that age bracket being employed as a translator, I have experienced working with translators of similar age in other Eastern European countries.

[Poor Student]

The Sindo reported that she was a teenager from the Ukraine, but rte (http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1023/lawlorl.html) are now reporting that she was an interpreter.

I feel sorry for his family though as the press arent being too sympathic to them with alot of hearsay and speculation. Interestingly model Glenda Gleeson is his niece, wouldnt have suspected that!

I went to school with his nephew. Not a nice lad to say the least. I have to hold my hand up and say I was wrong if it is indeed an interpreter. I hope it was for the sake of his family. Desperately shocking of the papers I have to say. They went at it so heavily this morning that it was a prostitute and a red light district. I gave them some credit and assumed they had to be right to do that the morning after he died. Hmmmmmm.

[CollegeTillIDie]

I went to school with his nephew. Not a nice lad to say the least. I have to hold my hand up and say I was wrong if it is indeed an interpreter. I hope it was for the sake of his family. Desperately shocking of the papers I have to say. They went at it so heavily this morning that it was a prostitute and a red light district. I gave them some credit and assumed they had to be right to do that the morning after he died. Hmmmmmm.

It is the main route to the city centre from Moscow's main international airport and is quite long. There is bound to be a red light district somewhere along it.

[Superhoops]

My sympathy goes out to his wife and kids who had to put up with this cowboy who swindled the state out of millions....
They appear to have had a very comfortable lifestyle by 'putting up' with him and no doubt will continue to do so after his demise. I cannot see Mrs.L and children saying 'Jeez, most of this was probably got illegally, so perhaps we should give it back to the Govt.'

I find it hard to believe that his wife and family did not know or suspect or at least did not question if his activities were legal, particularly when the tribunal was convened and he behaved in the way he did.

Sorry no sympathy from me. One 'cute hoor' less as far AFAIAC.

[dahamsta]

I absolutely believe the "diplomatic" assurances that the passenger in the car was a translator.

There's no doubt in my mind that she's a cunning linguist.

adam

[Marked Man]

The Sindo reported that she was a teenager from the Ukraine, but rte (http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1023/lawlorl.html) are now reporting that she was an interpreter.

!


Can't she be both?

[A face]

Sorry no sympathy from me. One 'cute hoor' less as far AFAIAC.

I agree with a totally, has to be said that the guy have nothing short of a crook and offered nothing to the electorate with all his shady dealings. The guy was typical of everything that is wrong with FF, pity is there are plenty more like him in that party and very few left in it that you could trust. It might have been a good party at one stage but most people you talk to will all agree that FF has its fair share of gangsters. Lawlor was just one of them that got caught, and even after getting caught managed to cost the state millions for months afterwards. R.I.?

[the 12 th man]

According to the Observer she was only slightly injured.
Moscow Police described Her also as a Hooker.


Just shows you that a paper can't refuse the ink thats being printed on it.
I'm surprised that so many papers(non tabloids) bought this pup of a story.

[Macy]

Sad loss for FF - he, along with CJH, represented the true soul of the party.

Feel sorry for the family as it appears it was a translator. RTE were even running with the story, and some FF head throwing in that the (at the time thought to be) hooker could've been for the driver. :rolleyes:

[carrickharp]

Would say a lot of corrupt feckers will not be sad for him, if he spilled the beans he would hang a lot of feckers, wonder if he left a little black book of names/dodgy dealings to be released if anything happened to him?

[Macy]

Would say a lot of corrupt feckers will not be sad for him, if he spilled the beans he would hang a lot of feckers, wonder if he left a little black book of names/dodgy dealings to be released if anything happened to him?
Now that could have interesting consequences....

[finlma]

The papers are disgraceful for starting that rumour. I see the Star have appologised. I bet it was that rag that started it.

Lawlor was a cowboy but its a terrible way to go.

[joeSoap]

Maybe he's not really dead at all.....and this is all a majorly elaborate hoax so his financial woes are over. What odds he's living in Brazil...;) :D :D

[hoops1]

Quality:D

[dahamsta]

Maybe he's not really dead at all.You probably said it in jest, but it's not something I'd discount. He was well connected over there by all accounts, and it's very hard to be connected in Russia without being connected to the mob; who know the right people to bribe and threaten. If I wanted to leave my troubles behind, Russia's where I'd do it.

adam

[joeSoap]

You probably said it in jest, but it's not something I'd discount. Only a little jest there Adam, part of me believes it totally possible...

[Aldini98]

Sad loss for FF - he, along with CJH, represented the true soul of the party.

Feel sorry for the family as it appears it was a translator. RTE were even running with the story, and some FF head throwing in that the (at the time thought to be) hooker could've been for the driver. :rolleyes:

By "soul" you mean f**kin' gangsters yes ?
FF are a shower of corrupt b*stards, always have been, always will be. Still the farmers will always vote them in.:rolleyes:

[Gareth]

Indo once again has proven it is no longer a broadsheet and is a pure tabloid. That paper is getting worse by the day. Is the editor new? I heard they got the lad from the Star or Sun?

[tiktok]

Still the farmers will always vote them in.:rolleyes:

Yeah.

All the farmers in Lucan, Drumcondra and Dublin Central voted Lawlor, Bertie and Haughey in ffs. :rolleyes:

Wonderful argument.

[finlma]

Indo once again has proven it is no longer a broadsheet and is a pure tabloid. That paper is getting worse by the day. Is the editor new? I heard they got the lad from the Star or Sun?

The Indo is a rag of the highest order. I used read it before I moved to England but I was back over for a weekend and saw a picture of Beckham and Posh on the front page. That was the straw that broke the camels back.

[pineapple stu]

The Indo today says the woman was a 28-year-old Ukrainian interpreter. The tabloids on Sunday were calling her a "teenage" hooker. I think the crash was on Friday night/Saturday morning? How much more time do they want to get the facts right? Why should we now believe she was an interpreter any more than that she was a hooker? Fairly damning indication of the standard of the respective papers...

[Macy]

The Indo is a rag of the highest order. I used read it before I moved to England but I was back over for a weekend and saw a picture of Beckham and Posh on the front page. That was the straw that broke the camels back.
The new editor is ex-Hearld editor. Nuff said.

[pete]

Theres a reason its called the Sindo.

Disgraceful behaviour by the "news"papers printing a rumour as fact.

:rolleyes:

[Lionel Ritchie]

The Indo today says the woman was a 28-year-old Ukrainian interpreter. The tabloids on Sunday were calling her a "teenage" hooker. I think the crash was on Friday night/Saturday morning? How much more time do they want to get the facts right? Why should we now believe she was an interpreter any more than that she was a hooker? Fairly damning indication of the standard of the respective papers...

Exactly.

Time will tell. I'm sure there's many a red top beating a path to her.

A Ukrainian translating English to Russian is kind of like having an Italian translating Spanish to English ....possible -just less likely.

The Russian police were initially quite adamant she was a hooker ...I'm guessing, and I acknowledge I'm guessing, that was based on appearance and apparell.

Either way, that's a personel tragedy between him and his family.

I've been asking myself should I not feel a bit more sympathy for the man on a purely human level -but I have little more sympathy than when I've heard that some drug dealer's been whacked by another dealer.

The man was a fcuking gangster and they should stick that on his headstone.
"here lies a fcuking gangster."

He entered "public life", not out of any bullsh1t desire to serve that he used blabber on about incessantly, but out of desire to make himself a wheel that had to be greased in order to get things done.

I view such individuals in the same bracket as dealers, subversives and any other organised criminals -at best a parasite on the country and at worst as fifth columnists rotting this little country from the inside out.

[Poor Student]

Exactly.



A Ukrainian translating English to Russian is kind of like having an Italian translating Spanish to English ....possible -just less likely.


No it's not. Ukrainian and Russian are more similar, plus a lot of people in the Ukraine speak Russian as a first language.

So many papers ran the story I thought that it had to have a grain of truth. How naive am I. No matter what you think of the man the media cannot just do that.

[Macy]

So many papers ran the story I thought that it had to have a grain of truth. How naive am I. No matter what you think of the man the media cannot just do that.
Weren't some of them quoting a police source though? I don't buy a sunday paper, but one of the morning radio programmes said that it was backed by quotes?

[Poor Student]

Weren't some of them quoting a police source though? I don't buy a sunday paper, but one of the morning radio programmes said that it was backed by quotes?

They did. "It is reported that police have interviewed the woman and say she is likely to be a prostitute" or something along those lines. But to make such a claim the night after a man dies you'd want to bloody verify it, no?

[Macy]

They did. "It is reported that police have interviewed the woman and say she is likely to be a prostitute" or something along those lines. But to make such a claim the night after a man dies you'd want to bloody verify it, no?
Well I know you shouldn't ever trust the cops to tell the truth, but why would a russian cop lie to an Irish paper? He's a public figure - tough on the family, but the media isn't to blame for putting them or him in the spotlight.