World Cup - Visa discussion

[backstothewall]

Ticket prices would be the least of my concerns. You would have to be nuts to go anywhere near this World Cup unless it's games in Canada or Mexico. Travelling football fans are inevitably going to end up in ICE detention camps and god knows where after that.

[seanfhear]

Ticket prices would be the least of my concerns. You would have to be nuts to go anywhere near this World Cup unless it's games in Canada or Mexico. Travelling football fans are inevitably going to end up in ICE detention camps and god knows where after that.LOL ~ Propaganda works !

[tetsujin1979]

LOL ~ Propaganda works ! I'd like to see some evidence of this propaganda

[seanfhear]

I'd like to see some evidence of this propagandaIf you think that Irish fans attending the World Cup in America are going to end up in ICE detention camps then ~ The propaganda that has convinced you of that, has worked !

If it did happen which is a mighty big if, the numbers would be tiny probably countable on one hand ~ ~ Maybe some that deserve to de detained by ICE might be detained by ICE ~ ~ After-all that is the law in America ~ American laws for America !

[tetsujin1979]

there are numerous cases of tourists who have legally entered the United States being detained by ICE

[seanfhear]

there are numerous cases of tourists who have legally entered the United States being detained by ICE
Perhaps they have been legally detained for very good reasons ? !

[tetsujin1979]

Look at all these reasons
https://www.axios.com/2025/03/20/tourists-us-residents-detained-arrested-deported-ice-immigration-trump

Members of punk band UK Subs were detained at customs in LA and eventually denied entry to the US. There's a lot of athletes who take political stances, who's to say they won't be detained for the same reason next year, or before the Olympics in 2028?
https://www.nme.com/news/music/members-of-u-k-subs-denied-entry-into-us-for-punk-festival-show-3848468

[seanfhear]

Look at all these reasons
https://www.axios.com/2025/03/20/tourists-us-residents-detained-arrested-deported-ice-immigration-trump

Members of punk band UK Subs were detained at customs in LA and eventually denied entry to the US. There's a lot of athletes who take political stances, who's to say they won't be detained for the same reason next year, or before the Olympics in 2028?
https://www.nme.com/news/music/members-of-u-k-subs-denied-entry-into-us-for-punk-festival-show-3848468
America's laws for America ~ ~ If you don't want to follow AmericanLaws then maybe America isn't the place for you !

Or else, you take your chances ~ Don't do the crime if you can't do the consequences !

[backstothewall]

America's laws for America ~ ~ If you don't want to follow AmericanLaws then maybe America isn't the place for you !

Err. That's another way of saying what I said. Go see a World Cup match in a more welcoming country (i.e. Mexico or Canada).

[seanfhear]

Err. That's another way of saying what I said. Go see a World Cup match in a more welcoming country (i.e. Mexico or Canada).
Good idea if you don't want to abide by America's laws alright.

[pineapple stu]

America's laws for America ~ ~ If you don't want to follow AmericanLaws then maybe America isn't the place for you !

Or else, you take your chances ~ Don't do the crime if you can't do the consequences !
What law do you think the band in tets' example broke?

I thought free speech was a central part of American identity - or am I wrong?

[seanfhear]

What law do you think the band in tets' example broke?

I thought free speech was a central part of American identity - or am I wrong?
Foreigners / Tourists, in Countries should obey the laws of the land they enter ~ That's not rocket science.

If they don't, or choose not to, they should be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

[tetsujin1979]

Foreigners / Tourists, in Countries should obey the laws of the land they enter ~ That's not rocket science.

If they don't, or choose not to, they should be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.
That doesn't explain which law they broke.

[pineapple stu]

That doesn't explain which law they broke.
Correct.

Fairly simple question to answer, I'd have thought.

[seanfhear]

That doesn't explain which law they broke.
Gibbs was told he had an incorrect visa.

I am sure that there are groups in America that will fight their corner, if they were not treated legally under American laws !

[tetsujin1979]

Gibbs was told he had an incorrect visa.

I am sure that there are groups in America that will fight their corner, if they were not treated legally under American laws !
Three in the band were detained for 25 hours, with only a pot noodle and tea for sustenance, what law did the other two break? Do you think it's acceptable to treat anyone in their late 60s in this manner?

[pineapple stu]

Not just detained for 25 hours, but deported. For breaking what law?

[seanfhear]

Three in the band were detained for 25 hours, what law did the other two break?
Did America break its own laws to deport these people ~ I doubt that ~ And I would say that these people, would have a strong legal case if that was what happened !

[tetsujin1979]

Did America break its own laws to deport these people ~ I doubt that ~ And I would say that these people, would have a strong legal case if that was what happened !
Answer the question - what law did the members of the band break to be deported?

[seanfhear]

Answer the question - what law did the members of the band break to be deported?One of them had an incorrect visa ~ Are you telling me that America broke its own laws in deporting these people ?

America deported these people under America's laws ~ ~ That's how the laws of a country work.

[CraftyToePoke]

Foreigners / Tourists, in Countries should obey the laws of the land they enter ~ That's not rocket science.

If they don't, or choose not to, they should be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

Which law did he break ?
He'd toured the US several times before.
His VISA was the same as his band mate who was allowed entry. Only difference from previous visits was a few episodes of free speech on his socials.
So where's the broken law ?

[seanfhear]

Which law did he break ?
He'd toured the US several times before.
His VISA was the same as his band mate who was allowed entry. Only difference from previous visits was a few episodes of free speech on his socials.
So where's the broken law ?Gibbs was told that he had an incorrect visa ~ Are you saying that America broke its own laws in deporting these people ~ Let them take the American authorities to court !

[tetsujin1979]

Gibbs was told that he had an incorrect visa ~ Are you saying that America broke its own laws in deporting these people ~ Let them take the American authorities to court !

You still haven't explained what the other two members of the band did to be deported.

[seanfhear]

You still haven't explained what the other two members of the band did to be deported.I don't see any evidence that the authorities broke any laws in deporting these people ~ I await further developments to show me that the American Authorities broke American laws.

Go to America, abide by American laws and I very much doubt that you will be deported.

[pineapple stu]

But what laws did the guys who were deported here break? I don't think even they know.

That rather undermines your argument, doesn't it? Two people detailed for 25 hours and deported despite having valid visas, and given no explanation.

[CraftyToePoke]

Gibbs was told that he had an incorrect visa ~ Are you saying that America broke its own laws in deporting these people ~ Let them take the American authorities to court !

He was told he had the incorrect VISA but the VISA was organised by band management & was no different to the others, one was let in & was the same as previous times, the VISA.

They also told him there was another issue which they didn't have to disclose. That can only have been one thing. His public stance against some of the presidents actions.

& that was why he was turned back.

At least inform yourself before debating it please

[pineapple stu]

He was told he had the incorrect VISA but the VISA was organised by band management & was no different to the others
We could even assume that was a bull**** reason made up to justify actions - though we don't have to assume things to see two others detailed and deported for no evident reason.

[Diggs246]

I don't see any evidence that the authorities broke any laws in deporting these people ~ I await further developments to show me that the American Authorities broke American laws.

Go to America, abide by American laws and I very much doubt that you will be deported.

Sean you wouldn't last 2 months in the US under the current regime ( neither would I btw)

[CraftyToePoke]

& while you're informing yourself Sean, which I doubt you actually will, this detention also incorporated 25 hours without sleep straight off an 11 hour flight, with a pot noodle & tea. Before being put straight on another 11 hour flight back all while his wife waited for him somewhere in the airport not knowing where he had been taken to.

& all because he said something Trump might not have liked

& that's the trouble with bothering to even engage with you Trump cheerleaders, you'll defend something that could adversely affect your own life & you'll do it without bothering to inform yourselves of what actually happened, or not being capable of doing so.

[Razors left peg]

Sean you wouldn't last 2 months in the US under the current regime ( neither would I btw)

Diggs I think that's a bit of an over statement in fairness, and I despise the current regime. Some of the stuff that's going on is beyond belief but if I'm 100% honest apart from what's going on with stock market and economy my day to day life hasn't really changed. I'm lucky that where I live is in a bit of a bubble from a lot of the US. Every other day we contemplate moving elsewhere, but that's down to a massive dislike of how others act. There's no doubt that racism is on the rise and just a sheer lack of empathy for other people that seems to ooze out of Americans. My wife calls them the fake Christians, go to church on a Sunday and then go yell at a waitress at lunchtime.

I say all that to say, it's sh1te what's happening here, we are getting on with it like most, but I'm not longer proud about the citizenship I have here

[pineapple stu]

& while you're informing yourself Sean, which I doubt you actually will, this detention also incorporated 25 hours without sleep straight off an 11 hour flight, with a pot noodle & tea. Before being put straight on another 11 hour flight back all while his wife waited for him somewhere in the airport not knowing where he had been taken to.

& all because he said something Trump might not have liked
Well for the two other guys, it seems to have been all because their bandmate said something Trump might not have liked.

Which - while not at all trying to justify the treatment of the guy made the comments - seems even worse.


Sean you wouldn't last 2 months in the US under the current regime ( neither would I btw)
On the contrary - I think sean does come across as the pliant, non-critical sort of person the Republicans want to encourage.

[Eirambler]

Lads, current affairs is that way ------->

[tetsujin1979]

I don't see any evidence that the authorities broke any laws in deporting these people ~ I await further developments to show me that the American Authorities broke American laws.

Go to America, abide by American laws and I very much doubt that you will be deported.
I have never claimed any laws were broken.

Once again, very slowly - what did the other two members of the band do to be deported?

[seanfhear]

Sean you wouldn't last 2 months in the US under the current regime ( neither would I btw)I have never been to America and I have no intention of going either ~ If I did I would follow American laws, and if I didn't then I would accept the consequences, as should any foreigners / tourists in any country.

[seanfhear]

By yere own posts ye admit that ye don't know why these people were deported ~ So jumping to the Trump thing could be jumping to conclusions !

Many show-biz people have " history ' with drugs or maybe even other law- breaking.

Did the American authorities break any laws in deporting these people ? !

[pineapple stu]

But let's recall where this all started.

You dismissed as "propaganda" the idea that people could be deported from the 2026 World Cup.

Tets has shown many examples of people getting deported for no obvious reason, including this particular case where two members of a band were detailed for 25 hours and then deported for no particular reason, while their bandmate was deported for visa issues despite having the same visas as the other.

You've repeatedly said "If you don't want to follow American laws then maybe America isn't the place for you" but you haven't been able to say what law they actually broke.

So where we're at now is asking you what law these guys broke - and, by extension, what vague reasons could be given to deport others in the future (whether at the World Cup or not). You can't answer that, yet you continue to hold your view of "American laws for America" even though it's been shown to not be valid in this case.

[CraftyToePoke]

I have never been to America and I have no intention of going either ~ If I did I would follow American laws, and if I didn't then I would accept the consequences, as should any foreigners / tourists in any country.

There weren't any laws demonstrably broken.

You can repeat that all you want, about American laws while ignoring that the guys circumstances had not changed since his previous multiple visits, apart from his social media content.

Now, is it that you don't understand that ?
Or that it is something you don't want to acknowledge ?

[CraftyToePoke]

By yere own posts ye admit that ye don't know why these people were deported ~ So jumping to the Trump thing could be jumping to conclusions !

Many show-biz people have " history ' with drugs or maybe even other law- breaking.

Did the American authorities break any laws in deporting these people ? !

He'd been there regularly for many many years.

You're willing to speculate on drugs smearing but aren't willing to consider the more obvious political change.

Why ?

[seanfhear]

There weren't any laws demonstrably broken.

You can repeat that all you want, about American laws while ignoring that the guys circumstances had not changed since his previous multiple visits, apart from his social media content.

Now, is it that you don't understand that ?
Or that it is something you don't want to acknowledge ?I need actual proof before I jumps to conclusion ~ How many people even know of these people or there political leanings ~ They may well have just got looked at this time for no particular reason !

It could be said that the Democrats let a lot of people in to America that should not have been let in to America !

[pineapple stu]

Ha! Have a go at the Democrats rather than answer the question. My bull**** bingo card is filling up nicely anyway.

[Razors left peg]

The latest thing that Im being bombarded with on social media is that Border officials are searching peoples phones as they go through customs. I have to say that it could be like a lot of stuff online and its utter nonsense but its definitely a part of my social media algorithm these days. The advice for US citizens is to remove fingerprint and facial recognition from the phone as they cannot force you to give the password, but for non citizens it is cause for further scrutiny and possible refusal of entry if you refuse to hand phone over for a search. It sounds absolutely ridiculous and something that would happen in N Korea, and Im not for one second saying it is true.... but also I would not be surprised if it is actually happening with how aggressive the distain for Non Americans has become within the administration.

[CraftyToePoke]

It could be said that the Democrats let a lot of people in to America that should not have been let in to America !

Ah
Point at Joe Biden
Point at Joe Biden
Look what Joe Biden did

Is it really that simple to herd you all along still ?

Their visits to the US pre date Biden by a generation BTW.

We'd all like proof. What we got was a guy kept to 25 hours without sleep & deported for no good reason & you defend that all you like Sean. You keep to your No Comment line because I have drilled down a bit here with you today & you don't have anything other than what you've been told to think.

[seanfhear]

Ha! Have a go at the Democrats rather than answer the question. My bull**** bingo card is filling up nicely anyway.I suggest that a lot of people thought that the Democrats were letting in far too many people ~ Many of them the wrong people ~ Maybe things just went back to normal-service when the Democrats left power.

Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists on here !

[Razors left peg]

I suggest that a lot of people thought that the Democrats were letting in far too many people ~ Many of them the wrong people ~ Maybe things just went back to normal-service when the Democrats left power.

Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists on here !

Things are absolutely not normal here.

[seanfhear]

Ah
Point at Joe Biden
Point at Joe Biden
Look what Joe Biden did

Is it really that simple to herd you all along still ?

Their visits to the US pre date Biden by a generation BTW.

We'd all like proof. What we got was a guy kept to 25 hours without sleep & deported for no good reason & you defend that all you like Sean. You keep to your No Comment line because I have drilled down a bit here with you today & you don't have anything other than what you've been told to think.
I am certainly not the one with group-think here !

[CraftyToePoke]

I am certainly not the one with group-think here !

Why were they let in every other time ?
Why was it not explained to him ?

Why won't you consider the obvious answer ?

[CraftyToePoke]

I suggest that a lot of people thought that the Democrats were letting in far too many people ~ Many of them the wrong people ~ Maybe things just went back to normal-service when the Democrats left power.

Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists on here !

You think this is normal Sean ?
You think this is how it all was before big bad Joe do you ?

[seanfhear]

Why were they let in every other time ?
Why was it not explained to him ?

Why won't you consider the obvious answer ?
Life can be complicated ~ ~ The supposed obvious answer may not be the correct answer ~ I like my proofs, I do !

[seanfhear]

You think this is normal Sean ?
You think this is how it all was before big bad Joe do you ?
The last 4 years was a shambles under Joe Biden and the Democrats ~ ~ Which is why President Donald J Trump is in the White-House now ~ ~ The Democrats are on 27% in the polls as it goes and maybe, going to go lower !

[CraftyToePoke]

The last 4 years was a shambles under Joe Biden and the Democrats ~ ~ Which is why President Donald J Trump is in the White-House now ~ ~ The Democrats are on 27% in the polls as it goes and maybe, going to go lower !

Again that's not what I asked but I don't know why I expected any different.