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If Doyle actually wanted to leave, and I'm presuming now that he did, then whoever it was that was advising him would be letting clubs across the pond know that he was available for a song. The fact that Dolan informaed Eamon(his brother) of this is purely immaterial. If Reading didn't sign him for €117,000 then someone else was going to. Brotherly love et al. You have to admit that there are elements on this form that despise Dolan because of this and see it merely as him getting revenge on the club.
Maybe there was a bit of that, but ultimately the fault lies with Lennox for not contesting this clause when re-negotiating Doyles deal. It now seems apparent that Doyle wanted to go, and that Dolan had the contacts and resources to help him.
I agree with you that ye got screwed, and I genuinely hope that ye do learn a lesson from it, but how many Kevin Doyles are ye going to unearth? Also, the fact that Dolan brought him from Pats, and showed faith in him when nobody else had even heard of him also contributed to Doyle being so close to and respectful of Dolan.I wouldn't argue with any of that. I was just making the point that the dislike for Dolan is not just because of the Doyle transfer, and the anger about the Doyle transfer is not just because of the Dolan factor.
I think Cork City may unearth a Kevin Doyle every 5-10 years & probably closer to the later.
joeSoap
11/10/2005, 11:39 AM
I think Cork City may unearth a Kevin Doyle every 5-10 years & probably closer to the later.Any other 'Doyles' in the making? What price would you put for example, on Roy O'Donovan? He has many similar qualities to Doyle, is very young, promising, and has U-21 caps.
I do hope Lennox has a big clause in there for him....
Dricky
11/10/2005, 1:15 PM
Gent, Reading, sunderland you name it they have got el players dirt cheap no matter what contracts were there or not. That is what the discrace is.....
A face
11/10/2005, 1:42 PM
Gent, Reading, sunderland you name it they have got el players dirt cheap no matter what contracts were there or not. That is what the discrace is.....
The system doesn't work and we have too many people in the league who benefit from this !!
The system doesn't work and we have too many people in the league who benefit from this !!
FIFA rules say you have to be registered with your National Association to act as an agent for players & seems few advisors (agent by different name) are held to that rule.
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A face
11/10/2005, 2:09 PM
FIFA rules say you have to be registered with your National Association to act as an agent for players & seems few advisors (agent by different name) are held to that rule.
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What are the penalties for breaking that rule ??
joeSoap
11/10/2005, 2:33 PM
There are heavy fines for the clubs involved, and the agent would lose his licence. In this case, Doyle didn't have a 'registered agent' and made the move of his own volition following some lengthy 'advice' from a mentor.
Thats what would be the official party line on this one anyway.I seriously doubt if any fees were paid to said 'advisor' in this istance.
How could anyone prove that fees not paid to an "advisor" as the player or club in question could promise him extra cash in another deal down the line or other concessions.
A face
11/10/2005, 5:55 PM
I seriously doubt if any fees were paid to said 'advisor' in this istance.
Jebus H .... you are on your own there i'd say fella !!
Are you saying said 'advisor' was in it for the good of his health ??
Joe .... come off the stage .... all windups aside .... you have to be taking the p!ss on this one !!
Jebus H .... you are on your own there i'd say fella !!
Are you saying said 'advisor' was in it for the good of his health ??
Joe .... come off the stage .... all windups aside .... you have to be taking the p!ss on this one !!
Joe believes EVERYTHING Noel tells him, and in Noel's world Dolan sits slightly above God in the scheme of things.....:rolleyes:
I seriously doubt if any fees were paid to said 'advisor' in this istance.Disagree there, am hearing he was very well looked after.
The Good Son
12/10/2005, 8:48 AM
Joe believes EVERYTHING Noel tells him, and in Noel's world Dolan sits slightly above God in the scheme of things.....:rolleyes:
I know I'm going off topic here but, from what I can gather, and this was from a reliable source Noel O Connor has very little time for Dolan. By all accounts his time with City was a fairly frustrating time dealing with an autocratic and extremely childish Dolan.
Disagree there, am hearing he was very well looked after.
Dolan may have recieved something (and all my sources say he didn't) but if truth be told there's only one individual who pocketed a big percentage out of the deal and that was Kevin Doyle himself. I certainly wouldn't begrudge him it anyway though.
joeSoap
12/10/2005, 10:09 AM
Jebus H .... you are on your own there i'd say fella !!
Are you saying said 'advisor' was in it for the good of his health ??
Joe .... come off the stage .... all windups aside .... you have to be taking the p!ss on this one !!I'd seriously doubt it. He's not a registered agent, and while it was not done for the good of his health, I'd say there was a certain amount of self-satisfaction in it that 'money can't buy' as they say. He would have incurred 'expenses' during this transaction no doubt, and they would have to be re-imbursed.
joeSoap
12/10/2005, 10:12 AM
Joe believes EVERYTHING Noel tells him, and in Noel's world Dolan sits slightly above God in the scheme of things.....:rolleyes:It's really time you let that little chestnut go patsh....but if it keeps you happy then...:rolleyes:
A face
12/10/2005, 10:22 AM
I'd seriously doubt it. He's not a registered agent, and while it was not done for the good of his health, I'd say there was a certain amount of self-satisfaction in it that 'money can't buy' as they say. He would have incurred 'expenses' during this transaction no doubt, and they would have to be re-imbursed.
Joe, is that how you think it works .... i would put money on it that there were some nice tangible benefits from that deal for Dolan and anyone that believes otherwise, imo, is very naive. I am not going to debate or reason on this one .... because common sense tells me it is pointless.
Colm, you are so blinded by your sources, you'd believe anything he they tell you. In fairness, you have see the other side of the thing.
joeSoap
12/10/2005, 10:42 AM
Colm, you are so blinded by your sources, you'd believe anything he they tell you. In fairness, you have see the other side of the thing.How did u do that thingy on the 'he'??:cool: :confused:
patsh
12/10/2005, 11:57 AM
It's really time you let that little chestnut go patsh....but if it keeps you happy then...:rolleyes:
Says the poster who supports a different club but yet who keeps bringing up the ex-manager of CCFC, who left our club 7 months ago. Run along to Noelly boy, I'm sure he has another fantasy or two for you that he just can't let go....:rolleyes:
A face
12/10/2005, 12:27 PM
How did u do that thingy on the 'he'??:cool: :confused:
[stríke]What ever you want to strike[/stríke] ... now take the fádas off the i's !!
What ever you want to strike
The situation regarding agents and advisors is as follows:
Agent: As Pete says, you have to be registered with your national association, and when your client moves, the club which signs him pays you a fee.
Advisor: You don't have to be registered, but if a club pays you a fee its an illegal payment. HOWEVER, if your client receives money from the deal, they are then allowed to pay you for the advice you have given them.
Roy Keane, AFAIK, uses the adviser route and pays his solicitor/adviser .
The only difference between the two is that the agent is paid by the club, the adviser is paid by the player.
joeSoap
13/10/2005, 9:32 AM
Advisor: You don't have to be registered, but if a club pays you a fee its an illegal payment. HOWEVER, if your client receives money from the deal, they are then allowed to pay you for the advice you have given them.This is most likely the scenario. I am sure Cork City have learned from this. And, at the end of the day €117,000, plus an extra €10, 000 when he makes his International debut ain't half bad either for a player Cork City or anybody else hadn't heard about 2 years ago. It should have been more, but if he held out on his contract till the end of the season, it would have been shag all, so all in all, its been an invaluable lesson for Cork and the Eircom League in general.
At the moment, what other young starlets out there might be snapped up? I can't think of too many. Roy O'Donovan, young Kelly at Bohs, McCourt at Derry (maybe) are young enough and good enough to attract attention, so I hope their contracts are watertight.
GavinZac
13/10/2005, 9:42 AM
At the moment, what other young starlets out there might be snapped up? I can't think of too many. Roy O'Donovan, young Kelly at Bohs, McCourt at Derry (maybe) are young enough and good enough to attract attention, so I hope their contracts are watertight.
who is george o'callaghan saying are intrested in him this week, ajax? monaco? :D
who is george o'callaghan saying are intrested in him this week, ajax? monaco? :D
I think its Ajax this week.
A face
13/10/2005, 11:17 AM
I think its Ajax this week.
I think they are trying to agree personal terms at the mo :p
Colm, you are so blinded by your sources, you'd believe anything he they tell you. In fairness, you have see the other side of the thing.
"He"?? A face, I haven't spoken to Pat Dolan in about 4 or 5 months and you should know that.
My 'sources' (for want of a better word) don't even like PD so why would they lie about it?
Think about it. Maybe it's other people who are blinded by their baffling dislike for PD. In your own words, "you have to see the other side of the thing"!!
I think they are trying to agree personal terms at the mo :pwill that include a driver?
I haven't spoken to Pat Dolan in about 4 or 5 months and you should know that.Looks like "Fight Club" is finished then
Looks like "Fight Club" is finished then
:D :D
It took me a few minutes to get that but, yeah, it's funny!
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