Trouble at Derry vs. Rovers and Irish language debate!!

[mypost]

tg4 do the best coverage of all four stations.

Best coverage? The camera was on the wrong side of the pitch at Derry, which meant that it was hard to see it at times, with all the rain on the camera lens. Also, their cameras must have had no zoom-lens, as the goals seemed miles away from the camera focus most of the time.

Don't like this pitchside presenting lark either. Providing a tv gantry should be also a mandatory part of UEFA club licensing requirements. Having presenters present a match pitchside, in howling wind and lashing rain, looks terrible. :( The tv coverage should be better.

[OneRedArmy]

The 1 minute fracas at the Brandywell was only considered newsworthy because it was Rovers.
First of all, it went on for more than 1 minute.

Second, it was considered newsworthy as it doesn't happen on a regular basis in the Brandywell.

[Roverstillidie]

the individuals involved have been banned from rovers games.
the head steward in the brandywell thanked the rovers support for sorting it out themselves. the steward who tryed to panel the peacemaker was moved to the other end of the stand and things calmed down immediatly.
i think the fact that this thread wandered off topic for 6 pages probably reflects how serious the incident was.

[Speranza]

The topic is serious but I didn't expect you or the vast majority of Rover's fans on here to acknowledge that as you spend most of time creating excuses for trouble and being apologists. Brilliant to see that the new management of your club don't share your views and are banning those involved, about time!

Why do CliftonVILE supporters follow Rover's? Mini-Celtic and all that baloney? Ironic given the distasteful chants which eminate from the Rover's support every time they come to the Brandy.

[Roverstillidie]

what excuses did we make?
we collared those involved and they were banned on monday, less than 48 hours later.
what more do you want?
we leave them alone, we are condoning scum, we tackle them we are "fighting amongst ourselves".
I dont recall much condemnation from DC fans of the locals who put in the windows of our bus in last July.
And the old distasteful chants nonsense. 99% of Derry fans have no problem, see it in the spirit its meant, and give it back with interest.
But there is always one malcontent.
CliftonVILE? Hilarious. If more people held that sort of attitude towards you in the mid 80's you would still be in exile and the Brandywell would be crumbling.
Lucky you are the minority isnt it.

[Speranza]

I am delighted that Rover's banned those incolved but you refered to the incident as not serious. Any incident of trouble inside or outside a ground is serious. As with the Linfield match City cannot control the actions of local scumbags outside the ground.

The people offended by antagonistic chants would total more than 1% of the support. If city fans chanted "BSC" at the Rover's support I would be fearing for my safety.

My problem with Cliftonvile is their pathetic approach to transfer dealings with City and I can't help but feel dislike for any team from Belfawst.

Fair play to the 400 club time Bohs followed and banned the disgraceful BSC flag (and their members) from Dalymount.

[anto eile]

Fair play to the 400 club time Bohs followed and banned the disgraceful BSC flag (and their members) from Dalymount.

the bsc flag wont be going near dalymount anytime soon anyway :D

[Roverstillidie]

Fair play to the 400 club time Bohs followed and banned the disgraceful BSC flag (and their members) from Dalymount.

you havent been round much recently!!! that problem is taken care of :D

and if you were chanting bsc you would be laughed at. grow up, fans slag each other, i dont come on here crying about the milltown songs you sing.

i dont think the incident was that bad, but was certainly unacepptable. a sense of perspective would be nice, and it would be far easier to take you seriously if you werent so dismissive of trouble outside the brandywell.

rovers could easily have washed their hands of the morons, said it was your problem as it was an away game, and done nowt. instead we dealt with the trouble ourselves in spite of the stewards and banned them later. and we still get stick!

its getting tiresome.

[Krstic]

Cannot believe we're still discussing this non event.

Drunks fight everywhere in this country on every Saturday night.
And this is what happened at the Brandy on saturday past, a few drunks fighting.
In fact i don't thing any of those initially involved were even wearing team colours. They were wearing Burberry style baseball caps and the like.

So let's move on to the positive side of saturday or the benefits of speaking irish, Dutch or maybe Hebrew!!! and leave the non events to the El hating newspapers.

[Drumcondra Red]

Lets not forget, not everyone who doesn't wear team colours are hoolies either!!!

[NY Hoop]

[QUOTE=mypost]Best coverage? The camera was on the wrong side of the pitch at Derry, which meant that it was hard to see it at times, with all the rain on the camera lens.

WHAT? :confused: The camera was on the RIGHT side of the ground for once. This is one my bugbears for years. Normally Derry have a camcorder in amongst the fans in the stand and therefore it just shows an empty terrace and cant show the away fans at all.

Worst example of all is Waterford. Super stand but the camera is in it :mad: Cork (to a lesser extent) Sligo and Bray have this problem too.

And Speranza I've heard that you've had problems paying for Cliftonville players. Dont see anything wrong with Cliftonville fans supporting us TBH.


KOH

[sligoman]

Worst example of all is Waterford. Super stand but the camera is in it :mad: Cork (to a lesser extent) Sligo and Bray have this problem too.Yeah, that is a major problem with us :o. The big crowd is in the new stand along with the camera :(

[Jaime]

Where can we read the "names" of the "ten named fans" that have been banned from attending games? Likewise, where can we read the "names" of the "six named fans" that were "banned" after the Shels game? "Writing letters" might be a Rovers solution to a Rovers problem, but I reckon you might just have a slightly harder time convincing anyone else outside the SRFC fantasy world.

Where can I read an official SRFC club statement on this or the post-Shels game bannings?

And everyone knows why the BSC flag won't be making an appearance at Dalymount again this season. :rolleyes:

[NY Hoop]

Yeah, that is a major problem with us :o. The big crowd is in the new stand along with the camera :(

Sligoman I'm not slagging you or your club. You're missing the point. If the camera was facing your new stand with the fans in it would'nt it look better? I was in your new stand in february for the friendly and was impressed. Fair play.

BTW we're not going down.

KOH

[joeraki]

Where can we read the "names" of the "ten named fans" that have been banned from attending games? Likewise, where can we read the "names" of the "six named fans" that were "banned" after the Shels game? "Writing letters" might be a Rovers solution to a Rovers problem, but I reckon you might just have a slightly harder time convincing anyone else outside the SRFC fantasy world.

Where can I read an official SRFC club statement on this or the post-Shels game bannings?

And everyone knows why the BSC flag won't be making an appearance at Dalymount again this season. :rolleyes:

Coming from a Bohs casual I find the above a bit rich :rolleyes:

[manic da hoop]

Where can we read the "names" of the "ten named fans" that have been banned from attending games? Likewise, where can we read the "names" of the "six named fans" that were "banned" after the Shels game? "Writing letters" might be a Rovers solution to a Rovers problem, but I reckon you might just have a slightly harder time convincing anyone else outside the SRFC fantasy world.

You won't be reading the names of the individuals involved either here or elsewhere. We are not taking this action to convince you of anything. This is an entirely internal matter to be dealt with within the confines of SRFC. It's our problem, we're dealing with it. Your club has your own problems - plenty of them. I suggest you concentrate on them before concerning yourself with ours.

[Slash/ED]

And everyone knows why the BSC flag won't be making an appearance at Dalymount again this season. :rolleyes:

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Roverstillidie]

Where can we read the "names" of the "ten named fans" that have been banned from attending games? Likewise, where can we read the "names" of the "six named fans" that were "banned" after the Shels game? "Writing letters" might be a Rovers solution to a Rovers problem, but I reckon you might just have a slightly harder time convincing anyone else outside the SRFC fantasy world.

Where can I read an official SRFC club statement on this or the post-Shels game bannings?

And everyone knows why the BSC flag won't be making an appearance at Dalymount again this season. :rolleyes:

what difference is it to you their names? planning on saying hello with your BSC chums?

are you seriously trying to suggest the SRFC board made the whole thing up and havent banned anyone? :confused:

banning people for causing trouble may be a 'rovers solution', but thats a hell of a lot more than bohs have done lately. ill explain this slowly Jaime, the letters inform the relevant people of their ban. whats confusing?

when members of your committee stop drinking with the BSC your opinion will become relevant.

[ORPCS]

Why do CliftonVILE supporters follow Rover's? Mini-Celtic and all that baloney? Ironic given the distasteful chants which eminate from the Rover's support every time they come to the Brandy.

Your deliberate mis-spelling of Cliftonville hardly merits a response... however - I cant speak for the other 10 or so Cliftonville supporters at the Brandywell on Saturday, but reasons I heard from other C'ville fans who are regular attenders are stuff like:

1. The colourful displays that their ultras put on.
2. The standard of football is something better than what reds fans are used to.
3. Something to do during the Irish League closed season.
4. Many of us have made friends with regular hoops who attend matches at Solitude/ROI away matches and use a big hoops/reds game as a chance to to catch up.

My own reason: I've always had a feel for rovers since I read about how the club was screwed over by Louis Kilcoyne and they lost their ground ... and have been attending at least one or two matches every season since 1992.

AFAIK there are also plenty of redsmen who follow Derry - though I must also say its time the actions of a few redsmen at a charity match in 1985 were forgotten by Derry folk as most of the kids following derry werent even born then.

[LukeO]

tg4 do the best coverage of all four stations,charlie mctgeever knows the league well and his co-presenter (richie?) seems genuinely interested...

Richie Ó hEadhra - Legend. He taught me a couple of years ago in the Gaeltacht, possibly one the funniest people I've ever met.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Ok... two points 1/ Trouble in Brandywell..... Shamrock Rovers have banned 10 named individuals from games because of it.... as we say in Dublin about bleedin' time!

2/ The Irish language. I lived in Canada till I was 9 and only started learning Irish then.
I got honours in the Higher paper in the Leaving.... Why? Partly because I like languages anyway , but I happened to have been blessed by the teachers we had in Primary who experimented with an audio-visual method which they also were trying out to teach French. For the Leaving Cert I had a teacher who hated Peig Sayers as much as any poster here. We did not do her doing Seamus Mac Grianna and Scothscealta. Result very few of the class emerged from school hating Irish.

As regards figures I was working on the last Census for the CSO. 1,000,000 said they were able to speak Irish in the Census. So assuming that they are not all pathological liars, that is far higher than the number of Mandarin, Cantonese and Tagalog speakers living in the country. Gaelscoils are gaining popularity inside the Pale of all places where Irish has not been the spoken language for more than 400 years. Places like Áras Dolcáin in Clondalkin are cropping up in urban centres of Dublin where not only is Irish spoken but traditional music is played and Irish dancing etc are practiced.

I love the language, I think if you take away our language, our music our dancing and Hurling from us we are left with nothing which makes us uniquely us. Not even our historic squabble with our former oppressors is innately Irish ( The Scots, Welsh and French have similar experiences).

So to all you people who say what's the point in learning Irish? I ask you this question what's the point in us being independent?

[Dr.Nightdub]

what's the point in learning Irish?

Comes in very handy if you're abroad with another Irish person and want to have a private conversation with them that no-one else will understand.

[Jaime]

Places like Áras Dolcáin in Clondalkin are cropping up...


Think it's Áras Chrónán or something like that, but it's still going alright.

[Jaime]

are you seriously trying to suggest the SRFC board made the whole thing up and havent banned anyone? :confused:


It's only an idea I picked up from the Rovers forum, where some Rovers fans aren't satisfied with the transparency of the thing.



banning people for causing trouble may be a 'rovers solution', but thats a hell of a lot more than bohs have done lately.


Are you aware of the number of people currently banned from Bohs games?

[Passive]

The topic is serious but I didn't expect you or the vast majority of Rover's fans on here to acknowledge that as you spend most of time creating excuses for trouble and being apologists. Brilliant to see that the new management of your club don't share your views and are banning those involved, about time!

Why do CliftonVILE supporters follow Rover's? Mini-Celtic and all that baloney? Ironic given the distasteful chants which eminate from the Rover's support every time they come to the Brandy.


Rovers have acknowledged the incident as serious and have taken the relevant steps. Have a look at our message board, no one is making excuses. You claim the supporters are making excuses and the management are taking action - the supporters and management are the same thing!

As for the 'distasteful chants', we've sang those songs at you lot for as long as I can remember. "Thatcher built your floodlights", "You're Brits and you know you are", "We're in the right league, you're not" - we're not serious when we sing it and I'd imagine most of your fans know that. We hardly think you're Brits if in the next breath we're slagging you for taking the traitor Liam Coyle back. It's called a wind-up and it's what fans do to each other.

The only distasteful chant I heard in the Brandywell on Saturday came from your fans who were sitting near to us. I can't even remember what they sang but I found it distasteful that they sat in silence for the entire game until Derry scored and suddenly they were singing and giving us the fingers etc. I don't mind vocal fans giving us abuse but I can't stand this sing when you're winning rubbish. To give Dublin fans credit, our fans are split between singers and non-singers. Go anywhere outside of Dublin and there's a small section of singers and a big section of lads who suddenly turn into hardmen whenever they score. Cork is the worst place for that, Waterford is pretty bad too, but there was a lot of that going on in Derry on Saturday.

[Skunkito]

Thatcher built your floodlights", "You're Brits and you know you are", "We're in the right league, you're not

Maybe if you had some concept of the **** Derry's gone through, you'd find the above pretty distasteful too. Sadly for a lot of Derry people the british 'influence' on our town will never be a matter for jocularity.

And your lot know that. It's not banter, it's baiting.

[Krstic]

and a big section of lads who suddenly turn into hardmen whenever they score.

Passive, I have to agree with most of what you have said, but find the above statement very silly indeed.

What constitutes 'becoming a hardman'???

Is it drinking yourself half to death, wearing a Burberry cap, putting a scarf over your face and striking people with a flag pole????

Or is knocking **** out of a fellow drunk outside the ground for no good reason???

Your post was spot on until that point :confused:

[Speranza]

Don't make me laugh. You refer to "Dublin clubs", with exception to Rover's Dub fans are ****.

I stand with the ex jungle section in the Brandywell but my guess is that the men who goaded you after Derry scored are not "hard men" they were merely geting there own back for the distasteful chanting you refer to.

[bigmac]

Comes in very handy if you're abroad with another Irish person and want to have a private conversation with them that no-one else will understand.

Yeah i like that bit myself. Personally know three people who've been caught out like that though! There are quite a few emigrants in the US (from back in the 60s and 70s) that came from gaeltachts and still speak Irish.

[pineapple stu]

A few lads I know were in Sicily a couple of years back, in some restaurant down some alleyway. A dark, secretive man walks in and sits down a couple of tables away. Two of the lads didn't see this because their backs were to the door with the way the table was. They obviously couldn't say "Hey, look at the Mafia lad!", but got around it by saying "Hé! Féach on leaid Maifíoch sin!" :p

[Roverstillidie]

Don't make me laugh. You refer to "Dublin clubs", with exception to Rover's Dub fans are ****.

I stand with the ex jungle section in the Brandywell but my guess is that the men who goaded you after Derry scored are not "hard men" they were merely geting there own back for the distasteful chanting you refer to.

right, ill make a deal with you. you stop all references from derry fans in relation to homelessness and milltown, we will stop refereing to the queen and how your floodlights get built!
or you could join 99% of the rest of your support in seeing it for what it is: slagging at a game.
some people really go out of their way to be offended.

[Speranza]

It has taken two City fans to explain to you the difference between a stadium and the things endured by the people of Derry. I do not wish to play any sort of victim card but Rover's seem to be a club with quite a republican support so you should be well aware of why we don't like those chants.

[Krstic]

C'mon Speranza!!

The Liam Coyle song they sing is a 'Lyrical masterpiece', the 'You're Brits and you know you are' hurts so much 'Cause it's true and the 'we're in the right League' chant is only relevant for the rest of this season as Rovers may well be in the first division and my reply then would be 'you certainly are in the right league' ;)

So, as much as the above songs irratate the fcuk out of me, I don't take them too much to heart, it's only a game :ball: :ball:

[Roverstillidie]

but Rover's seem to be a club with quite a republican support so you should be well aware of why we don't like those chants.

now you appear to be getting the joke :rolleyes:

and the liam coyle song is worthy of yeats!!

[Passive]

Passive, I have to agree with most of what you have said, but find the above statement very silly indeed.

What constitutes 'becoming a hardman'???

Is it drinking yourself half to death, wearing a Burberry cap, putting a scarf over your face and striking people with a flag pole????

Or is knocking **** out of a fellow drunk outside the ground for no good reason???

Your post was spot on until that point :confused:


Fair enough, poor choice of words. I just mean that they sit silently until they score and suddenly they jump to their feet and start giving us the fingers shouting 'Rovers scum'. 'Hardman' is a poor word, but you know what I mean.

I appreciate that they are only getting their own back for the songs we sing, but as I said I don't mind singing fans slagging us for 90 minutes, it's the sing when you're winning crowd that get me.

[Passive]

By the way, this is the most confusing thread ever. It's like sitting in a pub when there's two conversations going on at the same table.

[bigmac]

By the way, this is the most confusing thread ever. It's like sitting in a pub when there's two conversations going on at the same table.

An bhfearr leat an agallamh as gaeilge?