View Full Version : Red Bull Salzburg Franchise
hoops1
21/09/2005, 1:31 PM
Maybe this has been covered before but
I just see(i know im a bit slow) that Austria Salzburg has sold its soul
and is now RED BULL Salzburg.Apparently they have changed there Name
Crest and Jersey Colours a presumably the stadium name.The fans did try
wear the old jersey to games but were refused entry.Just wondering if anyone knows how the fans reacted?or if there is protests planned?
I think this is very relevant to Eircom league because no one has a pot
to **** in.And if the money was right
We could end up with Carslberg Cork City,Durex Derry City and Shell Shelbourne playing in the Kellogs Cornflakes stadium
Would EL fans care? or would the money talk in the end?
coislaoi
21/09/2005, 1:38 PM
We could end up with Carslberg Cork City,Durex Derry City and Shell Shelbourne playing in the Kellogs Cornflakes stadium
Would EL fans care? or would the money talk in the end?
You forgot about Shamrock Moss Peat Rovers. :D :D
Maybe this has been covered before but
I just see(i know im a bit slow) that Austria Salzburg has sold its soul
and is now RED BULL Salzburg.Apparently they have changed there Name
Crest and Jersey Colours a presumably the stadium name.The fans did try
wear the old jersey to games but were refused entry.Just wondering if anyone knows how the fans reacted?or if there is protests planned?
I think this is very relevant to Eircom league because no one has a pot
to **** in.And if the money was right
We could end up with Carslberg Cork City,Durex Derry City and Shell Shelbourne playing in the Kellogs Cornflakes stadium
Would EL fans care? or would the money talk in the end?
it would be typical of Ollie to team up with the jailkeepers of the Rossport 5! ;)
Réiteoir
21/09/2005, 1:47 PM
The recent take-over of Austria Salzburg SV, by the energy drink giant Red Bull, has begun for Salzburgs football fans, the virtual nightmare.
* The Clubs Colours were immediately changed from VIOLET/WHITE to Blue / White / Red
* The Clubs Name and coat of arms changed.
* The Clubs historical identity, it's foundation year, was changed from 1933to 2005, (only to be reinstated by the Austrian football league)
* Loyal fans, that have been the backbone of Austria Salzburg's recent Premiership survival, and there past success are now no longer wanted at the Stadium. The new concern is attempting to replace them with a yuppie style Fan base, that relates more to the owners branding than to the football club itself!
* THE REALITY!
Our end, has been (without consultation of the fan base), cut in half, thus to allow more seats. Our Stadium is one of the few stadiums, if not the only, in Europe where the home fan end is smaller than the away end!!! We are expecting more provocation from the new owners, in an attempt to eradicate the old memories of Austria Salzburg.
*Red Bull distributed violet plastic glasses in our end, at the first home game of the season, with the motto, 'SEE THE FUTURE'. This clearly provocative gesture toward fans, who choose to continue to wear the colours, that represent Salzburg football, was disappointing.
We therefore seek international solidarity, as takeovers like this, are increasing. It happens quicker than you think!
As a next step, we would ask Europe to voice their disapprovals at the take-over of Austria Salzburg, with a weekend Protest against Red Bull. This senseless lack of understanding of the traditions of Salzburg’s football needs to be clearly demonstrated.
Find out about the demonstration at www.tgs92.com/tradition ++ www.ultras.at/tradition
A loud and clear response needs to echo to Red Bull, about this absurd new era of Salzburg football.
and the cause has even surfaced at a Valerenga game in Norway:
http://www.iersjef.com/images/2005/viflsk/images/viflsk%20019.jpg
gael353
21/09/2005, 1:53 PM
This is the done thing all over europe. Bayern Munich? Bayer Laverkusen? they dont mean united or city you know one is a medical thing and the other build combine harvestors etc. loads of examples elsewhere also PSV Eindhoven, the P is Philips which owns the stadium and pretty much the city and emplys 28,000 people there.
tomsoc
21/09/2005, 1:59 PM
The difference with PSV though is that they've been phillips for their entire existence. Sort of like a factory team. Very different to someone coming in and basically rebranding a team.
I believe (but open to correction) that Bayer Leverkusen are similar in that they are linked with a local company.
hoops1
21/09/2005, 2:01 PM
Thanks for that REITEOIR! absolutely horrendous stuff.
The worrying thing is it wouldnt take an awful lot of lolly to do the same
in the eircom league.How the hell did there FA let them away it. Where was
UEFA or FIFA?There is only one thing for them to do thats start a boycott
of Red Bull in Austria!I would also urge all football fans to do the same
Put coke in your vodka in future!
Ehhh - I think you'll find that the Bayern in Bayern Munich is the name of the Federal State in which Munich is located - known as Bavaria in English.
But in general this is a major problem that we are going to face soon enough. Just look at Wales "they'll be dancing in the valleys of Total Netwrok Solutions tonight"....
A few suggestions:
1. Burberry Rovers - for the man with sophisticated taste in baseball caps
2. Triple A Longford Mavericks - park the cattle in our specially designed sheds while we bore you death on the pitch
3. Liverpool Bohemians (a buy-out) - you don't have to have a tash or drive a taxi to folllow our club, but it helps
4. Speedo Wandereers - I do like to watch me football beside the seaside (although the Carlisle is more like Vladisvostok than Valencia)
5. Shelbourne Woodbines - no explanation needed
Any other ideas?
Ronnie
21/09/2005, 2:23 PM
Names are queer - outisde of Dublin no club has a name that does not reflect the geographic area, the bit at the end can change, but the reference to the area stays the same. In Dublin though Shamrock Rovers, Bohs and St Pats don't directly relate to a geographic area and Shelourne are a long way from, err, Shelbourne, and even thats strecthcing it. If a club here was offered mad money I'm sure they'd give up the additional moniker if they could keep the place name.
The Stars
21/09/2005, 2:24 PM
Red Lemonade...its still Red but not Bull...
Its a disgrace anyway.
blutil
21/09/2005, 2:28 PM
its never gonna happen here :D
http://www.freewebs.com/roadtripusa/shell.gif
bigmac
21/09/2005, 2:34 PM
If your club is up for sale then there's nothing to stop investors coming in and taking over in this manner. If the Glazers wanted to change Man Utd's name to the Manchester Vodafone Devils or some other name, then there's nothing to stop them. The sad fact of the matter is that football is no longer a club game, it is a business. There are still remmnants that are run as clubs, and subscribe to legislation governing clubs (eg junior league, golf clubs, athletics clubs etc.) but most "clubs" these days are companies, either Ltd. or PLCs, and hence are governed by rules regarding companies. Fans are no longer considered as fans by the boards of clubs, they are considered as customers, albeit who have a strong brand loyalty. When it comes to big clubs like Utd. for example, they have enough "fans" to fill out every game, therefore they would be happier with a new fan in Singapore who will buy as much Utd branded paraphenalia as possible than with a new fan living across the road from Old Trafford who will go to games. Listen to the chief executives of clubs talk about "opening up new markets" in the Far East. That's what fans are - a market. This Red Bull guy obviously feels that he can expand the business by aiming for a different market.
Would people complain as much if their local pub was turned into a wine bar and bistro to aim for a yuppie crowd? To non football fans and to businessmen, the two situations are exactly the same. For fans the question now is why do we continue to support "clubs" that will jerk us around, take our money, give us nothing back and then expect us to live or die by how successful the business is? Sooner or later the backlash will hit football. If you turn a club into a money-first business, then don't be surprised when your customers start looking for more satisfying entertainment.
To pick an example that a lot of people can relate to on the board (i think), how many people here would rather Ireland qualify for the World Cup than your EL team win a trophy? Not many, because "Team Ireland" with all its hangers-on, and highly paid employees, no longer represents football in Ireland. Those who stand in the freezing rain in Flancare Park, or take a day off work to travel to watch their team play out a nil nil draw in Ballybofey, or those who tog out from a car boot in the snow in January to play a 3B league match are the people who epitomise football in Ireland.
For the Salzburg fans in Austria, if Red Bull is killing the team, then pay your last respects and move on. Reclaim your team, even if you have to start right at the bottom. Wimbledon did it in London and I for one would rather watch my team play at a lower level than pay for the club to be turned into a glorified cinema.
Speranza
21/09/2005, 2:34 PM
Durex Derry City
That name does suit us as we are so ****ing good at the minute. Taxi on it's way!
bigmac
21/09/2005, 2:37 PM
The difference with PSV though is that they've been phillips for their entire existence. Sort of like a factory team. Very different to someone coming in and basically rebranding a team.
Must be quite a few teams like that around - Junior league club Waterford Crystal for example.
Peadar
21/09/2005, 2:41 PM
Finn Harps = Donegal Catch Celtic
Sligo Rovers = Westlife Wanderers
Shamrock Rovers = Revenue Commissioners FC
TheOwl
21/09/2005, 2:52 PM
There was a banner of support for the Salzberg lads at the Shels vs. Waterford game. The only way to stop stuff like this happening is to make sure that Red Bull's experiment is a complete disaster.
hoops1
21/09/2005, 2:54 PM
How do you suggest that happens?
There was a banner of support for the Salzberg lads at the Shels vs. Waterford game. The only way to stop stuff like this happening is to make sure that Red Bull's experiment is a complete disaster.
shels should get 1000 euro fine for that so...
as for Red Bull.......Blackburn Rovers fans better start worrying now....
MariborKev
21/09/2005, 2:58 PM
There was a banner of support for the Salzberg lads at the Shels vs. Waterford game.
Come on lads,
You surely know the score with "offensive" banners at this stage. The FAI have been getting grief from the Red Bull lads since.
Fans organised dissention? Down with that sort of thing :D
Anyone remember the FAI stewards removing any piece of red paper from fabns going to Landsdowne only a few months back?
I would suggest a protest banner about the League and FAI taking down protest banners, but I suppose they's clamp dwon on that too....
The Stars
21/09/2005, 3:06 PM
Finn Harps = Donegal Catch Celtic
Sligo Rovers = Westlife Wanderers
Shamrock Rovers = Revenue Commissioners FC
Cork City = Sonia O'Sullivans Dream Team.
Anto McC
21/09/2005, 3:49 PM
it would be typical of Ollie to team up with the jailkeepers of the Rossport 5! ;)
When Pats fans do something about this,come back to me,otherwise f*ck off (http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=4286)
LFC in Exile
21/09/2005, 3:52 PM
They used to wear violet. Maybe the name change is a bit much but surely they have no problem with getting right of "Salzburg's Violet and White Army". :)
Is it true that they used to play 4-3-3 but the new management gave them wing(er)s. :rolleyes:
1 9 2 8
21/09/2005, 6:14 PM
Liverpool Bohemians
Home Farm Everton
its a disgrace. dunno why more isn't being done to combat it. every club should try and get a banner done over the next few weeks and send on our support.
TheOwl
21/09/2005, 9:02 PM
How do you suggest that happens?
If nobody goes to any of the games, buys any of the merchandise, does anything in fact which helps the "club" then Red Bull will pull out, and other companies will stay away from trying something similar.
If the Salzberg lads have to reform their club a la AFC Wimbledon, then so be it, better than having no club at all.
Roverstillidie
22/09/2005, 9:23 AM
If nobody goes to any of the games, buys any of the merchandise, does anything in fact which helps the "club" then Red Bull will pull out, and other companies will stay away from trying something similar.
If the Salzberg lads have to reform their club a la AFC Wimbledon, then so be it, better than having no club at all.
i dont think that will work in this instance.
the guy who bought the club is a billionaire who wants two things
a: a marketing vehice for his drink.
b: an ego massaging place to bring corporate clients.
i believe he has tried to ban exising fans so a boycot is just what he wants.
money is absolutly no object on the footballling side.
but it is on the red bull side.
a good boycott of redbull, that would make him think
anto eile
22/09/2005, 10:54 AM
This is the done thing all over europe. Bayern Munich? Bayer Laverkusen? they dont mean united or city you know one is a medical thing and the other build combine harvestors etc. loads of examples elsewhere also PSV Eindhoven, the P is Philips which owns the stadium and pretty much the city and emplys 28,000 people there.
wtf you on about bayern?? bayern muenchen is german for bavaria munich. bavaria is the provence in which munich is situated.
bayer have owned the leverkusen football team for a very very long time. in fact i think they were founded as the factory team.
these are totally different issues
For the Salzburg fans in Austria, if Red Bull is killing the team, then pay your last respects and move on. Reclaim your team, even if you have to start right at the bottom. Wimbledon did it in London and I for one would rather watch my team play at a lower level than pay for the club to be turned into a glorified cinema.
Not forgetting FC United and AFC Telford too. That's before you get into the clubs being taken over by fans groups/ supporters trusts. Supporters are realising it's the only way fans can protect the integrity of the club - if that means starting again then so be it. I can see it becoming more of a trend (incidentally I believe that even in the conference this begining to happen, with Boston fans talking of starting a break away).
Drumcondra Red
22/09/2005, 11:22 AM
wtf you on about bayern?? bayern muenchen is german for bavaria munich. bavaria is the provence in which munich is situated.
bayer have owned the leverkusen football team for a very very long time. in fact i think they were founded as the factory team.
these are totally different issues
you're right about Bayer starting of and continuing as a company team!
Coltron
22/09/2005, 3:32 PM
I was talking to a Salzburg season ticket holder during the off season and although he didn't mention the name change etc, he said that they had new investers and they had just signed a load of new players and now could finally challange the top three in the league. Salzburg from what I gathered where abit like the Drogs in football terms, with top flight football guarenteed ensuring that the season was a success but now things have changed atleast on paper and they finally have the resources to challange for a league title.
This is hardly very surprising the world as we know it is becoming increasingly globalised. Its brands not products that matters for big corps and this is only another step. There isn't awhole lot of space left in the world that been branded to some extent or another. I guess that is the price of success in the MTVisation of the world. Give up your identity, eat in Mickey D's, wear Nike, talk with Vodafone, support Man U, watch MTV et cetra...
BohDiddley
22/09/2005, 3:41 PM
I dunno. Guinness Bohs has a ring to it. :D
Roverstillidie
22/09/2005, 3:52 PM
I dunno. Guinness Bohs has a ring to it. :D
both british institutions posing as irish with links to the tory party.
it does have a ring to it alright!! :D
Would people complain as much if their local pub was turned into a wine bar and bistro to aim for a yuppie crowd? To non football fans and to businessmen, the two situations are exactly the same. For fans the question now is why do we continue to support "clubs" that will jerk us around, take our money, give us nothing back and then expect us to live or die by how successful the business is? Sooner or later the backlash will hit football. If you turn a club into a money-first business, then don't be surprised when your customers start looking for more satisfying entertainment.
I think this is spot on, and that football will very soon learn its lesson. Its already started in the Premiership, a study recently having been commissioned to examine why crowds are falling away.
They took a product, english football, and rebranded it away from its original fan base, hyped the hell out of is and sold it through Sky tv to a new trendy well off middle class market. The people who supported football when it was unfashionable were either priced out or lost interst in the new corporate entities and now the novelty is wearing off for the new "fans" who will soon move on to the next trend they see on the telly.
The Salzburg thing is an example of somebody doing this to a single club.
TG
PS: Durex Derry City. :D :D :D Oh the irony! :p
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