Saturation premiership.

[Karlos]

How do you get satisfaction from a foreign team doing well?Would you not much prefer to see your local team doing well...and the atmosphere and buzz at home and away games,which you can always go to,following an EL side.But don't go on about standard because the standard in the premiership is nothing to rant on about,or do you enjoy sitting in a bar and watching the tele :rolleyes: :mad:

Point 1: They are my team....wheter they come from Ireland, England, Egypt or Japan. I get my buzz home and away with the Arsenal which money providing I can ALWAYS go to thanks to my membership status.

Do you listen to music from outside Ireland? If so, how do you get satisfaction from it? How can you relate to someone from another culture? Wouldn't you much prefer to pay in to see an little known Irish band than buy a CD from a big giant of world music?? Do you eat foreign food? Life must be incredibly dull, boring and exclusively IRISH around your way. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Point 2: If I sit in a bar, it'll be in North London - I've watched an Arsenal game on Sky in a bar in ireland twice. I can even tell you the games. A 2-1 home defeat to Utd with keano scoring twice and a 2-0 away win at Anfield in 92 - Wright and Limpar scoring.

Point 3: I did 10 home league games last year - all other 8 home league games were attended by either my Father or a relative. I was in attendence and/or coaching at over 40 schoolboy and junior soccer games in my local community and surroundings last year.

Point 3: I never mentioned standard...........I'm not in a position to comment on the standard of EL games becuase I do not watch the game. I've been to Shelbourne a few times, Dublin City a couple of times, Rovers back in the RDS days.....all of them local, none of them feel like home, simple. My point has and always will remain that my LOCAL team is the team I coach and spend hours of my time with. They have a presence in my community and get kids off the street - for me that's what supporting my LOCAL team is all about!!!

Arsenal is my second home and I have been through good and bad times there and importantly for me holds a deep passionate family tie. Is that good enough for you?

Thank you for once again highlighting all that is wrong with some Eircom League Fans

[Karlos]

Would be better for the national team if all our players were not playing in an overhyped sub standard league , If they were playing regulary in Serie a or the primera it would improve their technical skills.

Would Roy Keane have been a better player now at Inter or Juve than at United..........open to debate but I personally don't believe that. In fact I think playing in a league like Serie A would have taken something away from the physical side of his game as I feel it has already done with Patrick Vieira at Juventus in the games I've seen. Not sure that a different type of Roy Keane would have been beneficial for us at all. :)

Had Duff been at a Serie A club other than Milan or a Spanish CLub the last two seasons he wouldn't have played in two champions league semi-finals.....would that have been better for us or Damiens Development......similar situation with Finnan.

I have my doubts on how much a move to these leagues would really improve the players beyond the improvement thay show in the EPL. No question they would improve but how much is the question. Add the lifestyle changes, language issues, etc in to the melting pot and you can see why many settle where they are.

You could have an interesting debate on this..... Should we be sending our players from Eircom league directly to Serie A resulting in potentially less financial reward and link ups for Eircom League Clubs and Community Clubs (see Duff deal as an example of money pouring back into our game at grassroots level) Should we keep them at home in the Eircom League and would that improve both the palyers and the league? Better still should we encourage our Eircom League clubs & Big Amatuer Clubs to not poach youngsters from their local community clubs at inapproprate times causing mayhem for coaches and administrators? Should we encourage them to not restrict the develoment of local community schoolboy clubs by stopping clubs like Home Farm, Belvedere etc from snatching players from outside their catchment areas? Shouldn't we be demanding qualified coaches at all levels of the game including at the so-called bigger clubs?

As much as the English League is a problem for the Irish Game, still the biggest problems lie within our own game. Until that changes - the food chain style of football will remain with the English League very much the meateater at the top of the chain who throws some financial scraps back our way (which incidently keeps many Amatuer Clubs afloat

[Dublin12]

Would be better for the national team if all our players were not playing in an overhyped sub standard league , If they were playing regulary in Serie a or the primera it would improve their technical skills.



Yeah you mean like Ian Harte ,I see he's really improved alot since his days at Leeds :rolleyes:

[hoops1]

Our survey says neeeeeeeeeeeeehneh
WRONG

[CollegeTillIDie]

One of the problems with football fans in this country is thinking that the English Premiersh1t is the be all and end all. The standard outside the top 4-5 teams is poor. Players who cannot defend earning huge sums of money for not doing their jobs. They ought to be fined for some of their ineptness.
It is not as technically competent a league as the Spanish Primera Liga or indeed Serie A or the Bundesliga. In recent seasons I have been to a Champions League game involving a Yugoslav and a French team playing each other as well as two Romanian League games. The skill levels in Romania are quite excellent and as for the standard well Dinamo Bucharest hammered Everton 5-1 recently in a European tie.


One of the reasons that the Premiersh1t is being seen as lacking excitement is the number of stupid goals conceded by poor defending has dropped this year. Liverpool and Chelsea in particular are conceding very little and some of this may have rubbed off on other teams. This is actually an improvement in the defending which as KarlosIRL would no doubt attribute to better coaching. West Ham and Tottenham to name but two, are teams traditionally "attractive" i.e involved in high scoring games due to inept defending. The fact that they are more successful so far this season than in recent years could not possibly be down to them being semi-decent at defending this season now could it?