Table with Dundalk fixtures expunged

[patsdad]

Not that it's going to happen


Derry 44 (played 26)
Shels 42 (24)
Sligo 39 (26)
Sham R 35 (24)
Galway 33 (25)
Waterford 33 (26)
Pats 31 (25)
Bohs 28 (24)
Drogs 21 (26)


Main losers are Galway who had 9 points from 3, Shels who had 10 from 4 and Waterford who had 7 from 3.

[2 Year Contract]

Update on this if it’s to happen

Derry 44 (played 26) - losing 5 points from 3 games
Shels 43 (P26) - losing 10 points from 4 games
Sligo 39 (P27) - losing 4 points from 3 games
Shams 38 (P25) - losing 4 points from 3 games
Galway 33 (P25) - losing 9 points from 3 games
Waterford 33 (P26) - losing 10 points from 4 games
Pats 31 (P25) - losing 7 points from 4 games
Bohs 29 (P25) - losing 4 points from 3 games
Drogheda 21 (P26) - losing 4 points from 3 games

NOTE: just roughly did this up myself based on results, I’ve already spotted and edited some errors on games played so don’t take it as gospel!

[Knocklyonhoop]

I want them gone but I don’t want them gone.

expunged this yr and guaranteed back in d1 next yr ideal scenario ??

[Another Bohemia]

I want them gone but I don’t want them gone.

expunged this yr and guaranteed back in d1 next yr ideal scenario ??

I get where you're coming from but surely there has to be consequences for mismanagement at this scale. Yes plenty of the fault lies with the FAI but let's not ignore the fact that Dundalk signed 8 players in July and gave Horgan an extension on his contract. Their owner knew this was a distinct possibility and instead of trying to cut his cloth and finish out the season tried to speed up the demise of the club. If a Phoenix club can come in straight away and basically have 0 consequences (they were being relegated anyway) it looks like the FAI & league endorse this type of reckless spending.

[placid casual]

I get where you're coming from but surely there has to be consequences for mismanagement at this scale. Yes plenty of the fault lies with the FAI but let's not ignore the fact that Dundalk signed 8 players in July and gave Horgan an extension on his contract. Their owner knew this was a distinct possibility and instead of trying to cut his cloth and finish out the season tried to speed up the demise of the club. If a Phoenix club can come in straight away and basically have 0 consequences (they were being relegated anyway) it looks like the FAI & league endorse this type of reckless spending.
Nail on the head there.

[nigel-harps1954]

I get where you're coming from but surely there has to be consequences for mismanagement at this scale. Yes plenty of the fault lies with the FAI but let's not ignore the fact that Dundalk signed 8 players in July and gave Horgan an extension on his contract. Their owner knew this was a distinct possibility and instead of trying to cut his cloth and finish out the season tried to speed up the demise of the club. If a Phoenix club can come in straight away and basically have 0 consequences (they were being relegated anyway) it looks like the FAI & league endorse this type of reckless spending.

It's not like there isn't previous for this sort of thing happening though. See Derry City, Cork City etc..

[trevy]

The only time I have heard the word expunged is to do with LOI fixtures after a team goes bust. Unfortunately it's been heard a few times over the years!

[Another Bohemia]

It's not like there isn't previous for this sort of thing happening though. See Derry City, Cork City etc..

I understand there is previous but eventually a line has to be drawn somewhere. If the FAI and the league encourage this boom & bust cycle then the league will remain a farce in the eyes of the general public. Actual consequences are needed. Even if the Phoenix club started with a points deduction next year & BA banned from club ownership that would be something.

[Longfordian]

I get where you're coming from but surely there has to be consequences for mismanagement at this scale. Yes plenty of the fault lies with the FAI but let's not ignore the fact that Dundalk signed 8 players in July and gave Horgan an extension on his contract. Their owner knew this was a distinct possibility and instead of trying to cut his cloth and finish out the season tried to speed up the demise of the club. If a Phoenix club can come in straight away and basically have 0 consequences (they were being relegated anyway) it looks like the FAI & league endorse this type of reckless spending.

They could allow the phoenix club to join at academy level and then once they've proven over a couple of years that they have a sustainable structure in place they can apply for full membership. I agree there has to be a significant deterrent to running a club so badly.

[2 Year Contract]

They could allow the phoenix club to join at academy level and then once they've proven over a couple of years that they have a sustainable structure in place they can apply for full membership. I agree there has to be a significant deterrent to running a club so badly.

Jesus I hadn’t even thought of Dundalk’s academy in all of this. A lot of kids going to get burned by the inflated ego of the owner and the incompetence of the FAI to allow him take over the club

[Another Bohemia]

They could allow the phoenix club to join at academy level and then once they've proven over a couple of years that they have a sustainable structure in place they can apply for full membership. I agree there has to be a significant deterrent to running a club so badly.

Honestly hadn't even thought of this and I think this idea is ideal. In 2-3 years there should be a few decent academy players ready to step up to men's football and it would be much more affordable for a club in the begining.

[Dermobohs]

I do feel duffer will spontaneously combust if the results are expunged,shels the big losers along with Waterford.

[Knocklyonhoop]

Honestly hadn't even thought of this and I think this idea is ideal. In 2-3 years there should be a few decent academy players ready to step up to men's football and it would be much more affordable for a club in the begining.

would Oriel be fit for purpose at that stage? Someone needs to pay for a new pitch / floodlights

[Another Bohemia]

would Oriel be fit for purpose at that stage? Someone needs to pay for a new pitch / floodlights

I'm of the opinion that pitch and the one in Derry aren't fit for purpose now!Either way the pitch/ground being fit for purpose is part of the licensing (I know licensing has already failed in regards to Dundalk) so I would imagine they would need to resolve that before rejoining. From what Ive read online that's an issue now though so that question could apply to a Phoenix club for next season as well.

[patsdad]

I do feel duffer will spontaneously combust if the results are expunged,shels the big losers along with Waterford.

Galway the biggest losers actually. Everyone else dropped some points to Dundalk, they dropped none.

[2 Year Contract]

Galway the biggest losers actually. Everyone else dropped some points to Dundalk, they dropped none.

True but mathematically speaking Galway would only lose 9 points they’d earned in an amended league table where as shels and Waterford would lose 10

[Buckett]

Would this also affect the top goalscorer list? Or the accumulated yellow and red cards?

[2 Year Contract]

Would this also affect the top goalscorer list? Or the accumulated yellow and red cards?

When Monaghan left the league midway through 2012, player appearances and goals were also expunged yes. I’m not sure what happens re:cards from games against clubs that are gone though

[Martinho II]

Meant to ask this Q before but did BA attend any Dundalk matches at all or was he an absentee landlord?

[Nesta99]

Well he ws at the game where his seat in the stand collapsed under him.....

[Buckett]

He fell off a broken seat at his first game. Should've turned off the lights there and then!

[holidaysong]

He also got into a disagreement with someone at the Drogheda away match, so he's been to a few at least.

[The Bowler]

Average salary at Dundalk is reported as 37k, sweet jaysus, that's full time Premier Division. My heart bleeds

[patsdad]

True but mathematically speaking Galway would only lose 9 points they’d earned in an amended league table where as shels and Waterford would lose 10

That’s true, of course, but Galway would fancy making it 12 with Dundalk still to come to them.

[Nesta99]

Average salary at Dundalk is reported as 37k, sweet jaysus, that's full time Premier Division. My heart bleeds

Well we are full time Premier Division atm, but yeah if you dont have it.....its nothing but financial doping and while I think Drogs would have stayed up they deserve to stay up if they are performing within their means. Bar Hakiki maybe Dervin Im not sure we are any better than before the transfer window yet made number of signings and extended Horgans contract which is as blatant as it gets and like the auld FAI would always have caught up eventually. There is a funding opportunity, Derry fans to contribute money to better their chances of a league title, Shels the same and Waterford, Sligo, Rovers a cut of European money, and then we get over the worst the status quo remains and everyone gains by the league not having a big hitter bow out again!!

[vinnie]

Lads while we dont like each other 4 times a year for 90 minutes, I Personally think it's very sad that we could lose a club like Dundalk, not putting anyone else down but they are in the top 4 clubs in the country, I know our league looks ****e to outsiders but it's still ours, I remember bucket collections years ago and I understand this wont help these days but like them or hate them you have to hope they survive.

[lofty9]

I do feel duffer will spontaneously combust if the results are expunged,shels the big losers along with Waterford.

Hopefully Dundalk stay in business, but I feel there's a spontaneous combustion coming to a ground near you soon no matter.