EL Investigation Committee Report

[Cosmo]

Another €500 fine for Bohs. This time for racist comments aimed at a Wayside player in the Cup replay

Macy, can you remind this chap why you have a hatred for craptown and their supporters please :rolleyes:

[bohs til i die]

Another €500 fine for Bohs. This time for racist comments aimed at a Wayside player in the Cup replay.

And two new pitch invasions in two weeks, that they'll probably be fined for as well when there's a next FAI think tank get together. Bohs fans don't exactly make life easy for themselves :rolleyes:


Joeraki

it was a handful, 3 or 4, idiots who aimed some comments at the Asian player who plays for Wayside. I wasnt at this game in Bray, but it is indefensible, and disgusting.

[chippie0001]

Another €500 fine for Bohs. This time for racist comments aimed at a Wayside player in the Cup replay.

And two new pitch invasions in two weeks, that they'll probably be fined for as well when there's a next FAI think tank get together. Bohs fans don't exactly make life easy for themselves :rolleyes:

It must only be in Ireland where the away team can get fined. What did wayside do about this abuse? Did their security evict the people? The same with the pitch invasion at Pats? Their fans go across the pitch every game, why do the away team get fined because Pats don't spend enough on security? The same point for the Bray game earlier in the season? Apart from the goal the other night I am not aware of any invasion by Bohs fans at Dalymount because we pay a lot for security. Surely the home team has this responsibility and should be fined if their secuirty is not adequate. The same goes for the banners at the Shels v Rovers game, I cannot understand how a club that has no responsibility for the security on the night can suffer. The FAI use this as a money making racket, my point being €500 for an invasion but €300 ofr actually hitiing a player! Only in Ireland.

[pineapple stu]

It must only be in Ireland where the away team can get fined.
Utterly stupid. It wasn't the home fans who were to blame for the incidents. You have to take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to pass the buck. I think the FAI have criticised stewarding at grounds as well, so it is something they're looking at. But in the end of the day, how is a steward supposed to stop fans shouting racist abuse? Are they supposed to pre-guess which fans may start up? Are they supposed to pick an individual out of a large crowd by his voice alone and eject him?

[Dr.Nightdub]

Chippie, I'm not defending kids going on the pitch at Richmond (or anywhere else for that matter), but surely you can see there's a difference between after a game and during a game?

[chippie0001]

Utterly stupid. It wasn't the home fans who were to blame for the incidents. You have to take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to pass the buck. I think the FAI have criticised stewarding at grounds as well, so it is something they're looking at. But in the end of the day, how is a steward supposed to stop fans shouting racist abuse? Are they supposed to pre-guess which fans may start up? Are they supposed to pick an individual out of a large crowd by his voice alone and eject him?

Yes thats what they are meant to do? Its there job, fans were thrown out of Dalymount on Friday, picked out of a large group. But how can Bohemian FC be responsible for an away match. What can they do if 3/4 idiots start shouting racist abuse? If the home team and their secuirty do nothing, why sanction a club that can do nothing about it. I have been at games in the UK where stewards throw people out regularly for hassle.

I agree it was not the home fans, but how can the away club stop it if the home club cannot?

[chippie0001]

Chippie, I'm not defending kids going on the pitch at Richmond (or anywhere else for that matter), but surely you can see there's a difference between after a game and during a game?

I can, but your kids come down to the far corner where the away support is looking for hassle. Also Tony Grant was abused by one of these kids when we beat you. Either fans are allowed on the pitch or not. Its only inchicore it happens at the end of every game. Why are you allowed to be different may I ask?

[pineapple stu]

But how can Bohemian FC be responsible for an away match. What can they do if 3/4 idiots start shouting racist abuse?
I assume the idea is to encourage Bohs to take a long-term approach to eradicating this, starting with identifying and banning those responsible. You can't fine the home team for the away fans' behaviour or you'll have away fans looking to start trouble everywhere because they know the home team'll get done. I know the stewarding isn't great at times, but the FAI have commented on that as well.

[chippie0001]

I assume the idea is to encourage Bohs to take a long-term approach to eradicating this, starting with identifying and banning those responsible. You can't fine the home team for the away fans' behaviour or you'll have away fans looking to start trouble everywhere because they know the home team'll get done. I know the stewarding isn't great at times, but the FAI have commented on that as well.

So how precisely are Bohs meant to ban fans etc if the home team don't throw them out and give the names to the club etc. If the home team with their stewards can't identify 3/4 people how are we meant to do so? As I said we don't have invasions at home as we pay alot for security, but if the home team do nothing, how on earth are we meant to identify these people? Bohs and Rovers asked the FAI to keep a register of trouble makers and to be circulated around all clubs to keep these people out. The FAI refused. So if we have people banned from Dalymount and they cause trouble in Belfield, what further can we do?

[pineapple stu]

The FAI cut down on - pretty much eliminated - the sectarian booing by publicly condemning it. An announcement over the PA or in the programme or something may help. Liaising with the Supporters' Clubs. Obviously, liaising with the stewards is the obvious answer, but it can't be done. However, the standard of stewarding is being looked at, as far as I know.

Bottom line though is that if you fine the home team for away fans' actions, chaos will reign. It'll make things far worse rather than better.

[chippie0001]

The FAI cut down on - pretty much eliminated - the sectarian booing by publicly condemning it. An announcement over the PA or in the programme or something may help. Liaising with the Supporters' Clubs. Obviously, liaising with the stewards is the obvious answer, but it can't be done. However, the standard of stewarding is being looked at, as far as I know.

Bottom line though is that if you fine the home team for away fans' actions, chaos will reign. It'll make things far worse rather than better.

You still did not answer my fundamental question? If we take action and ban people from our games, yet the FAI insist on the fact that there is no need for a central log of banned people, how can we be responsible for actions these people carry out at away games? Especially considering that we are one of the clubs that want this log. Surely if a fan is causing problems in a ground it is up to the security at that ground to tackle this issue, not fine a club that has already banned this person.

[pineapple stu]

Well, if you want me to admit that the FAI are muppets, I'll gladly do it.

Things are far from perfect in this regard, I'll acknowledge that. But fining the home team isn't the way to improve things.

[chippie0001]

Well, if you want me to admit that the FAI are muppets, I'll gladly do it.

Things are far from perfect in this regard, I'll acknowledge that. But fining the home team isn't the way to improve things.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, but fining the away team is also not the answer. Plenty of clubs do not have enough security so away fans will act the fool. If they can do so and not get thrown out etc they will continue to do so. I cannot see how this can be the clubs fault, when they may have done all in their power to stop it. Also cannot see how they are legal as such, as only one club on the night has responsibility.

[joeraki]

Home teams shouldn't get fined for away fans behaviour, neither should the aways fans Club, that's just daft. Just work out a way of banning these people and stop throwing fines at already cash strapped clubs.

I've noticed over the last few weeks that pitch invasions and the likes at Rovers and Bohs are seen as akin to the Nazi invasion of Poland. While at other clubs incidents of brick throwing and pitch invasions etc are seen as acts by "pesky kids" There's definite double standards by the FAI when it comes to dealing with certain clubs.

I think this will carry on into next season when the annual licence scamaton gives us all a week of "who did and who didn't" as regards the licence. Only for everyone to miraculously get their **** together in 3/4 days and get the licence in the end. With Rovers and Bohs both under the microscope for fines I wonder will the same double standerds carry on to the licence as well.