View Full Version : Ollie- Judas or not?
Ok folks, it now appears that Ollie Cahill has indeed signed for $hel$. So, its time for each and every one of us to judge. Do you think that Ollie is nothing more than a money grabbing traitor or do you think he has served City loyally and is simply furthering his career. Personally I predict he will get the Judas treatment next season, whether he should or not is a different matter. Id like to know how you all feel about Ollie?
Excuse me if Im wrong, but this thread was done before. However, Ollie is NO judas . he is merely leaving to better his own career. In his 6 yrs with City he was only won 2 trophies, and has been 2nd in the league too many times. He is moving to a team with a posititve and professional outlook. the money is better (id imagine) and he must make enough to look after himself when he retires in 10 yrs time. As for the treatment he will recive, well your average moron will call him a money grabbing ******, you know that will happen.
What i find intersting though is that you have started a thread asking for everyones opinion coz we have to give it, yet you dont give an opinion of your own. Waiting to jump on a bandwagon are we???????????
:)
all that judas stuff is for people with the IQ to match their shoe size. shels made him a better offer and he accepted it. end of story.
of course I am dissapointed that ollie didn't stay but we knew he was going a long time ago. best of luck to him, he is trying to make a living after all. anyway I really don't think ollie was as good this season as some of us like to believe.
Why is this thread even here? Does every player who leaves City become a Judas? So lets's see from now on...Hartigan, Johnny C, Skippy are all Judases?............ For f*cks sake COLM, grow up. Ollie Cahill is a full-time professional player. He is getting the best deal he can for himself. If a company asked you to come and work for them, gave you better wages, better conditions and better prospects, would you stay where you are?
Of course you would not. Players come and go from every club.
City have for too long promised much and delivered too little, so Ollie is going somewhere where he feels he will do better.
If you support any team, this is something you will have to get used too. Cahill owes CC nothing. And judging by your small-minded, pathetic reaction, why should any player play for City, when "fans" think as you do?
Ollie gave us all a lot of pleasure, did his bit for the club, and now is doing his bit for himself.
What you should be worried about is why CC is not professional, forward looking and ambitious enough to attract the best players, one of which is Ollie, in our league. Instead of wasting energy bitching about Ollie, why not focus on the real problem...
that CCFC are not big enough or good enough yet......
As for Ollie leaving, just deal with it....:mad:
Dricky
15/04/2002, 10:25 AM
No he is not, any person who thinks or says otherwise doesn't really think much about the Ollie C that was a City player, he is playing in a sport that offers him NO financial security after he retires in 5-10 years time. He had to do it for himself Cork City can't offer him the opportunities yet that Shels can, so I think he was right to go, the face of football in Ireland is changing but we are only at the start of it. Ollie needed something more rewarding.
Anyway how many people quit their job only to go to the opposition and they aren't called Judas.
We were lucky to have Ollie C.
Now its time to get Billy Woods back
Although Roberto Carlos would be preferential
It's a shame that Brian Lennox take over probally came a little bit too late to persuade Ollie to stay. I personally would never regard him a a Judas. Surely it more of an endorsement of what the majority of fans thought of the previous board more than Ollie being a judas.
Also Ollie is not a Corkman, that might have been an influencing factor in his decision.
I wonder will the Biblical one give Ollie the Skippy Morley treatment??
Cant see how anyone can call ollie a judas. Have lot of respect for way he conducted himself. He never made empty promises bout signing a new deal but waited til end of season, saw out his existing contract and negotiated a better deal with another club. Good luck to him! At the moment city just cant offer the financial security or chance to advance his career ollie wanted. Get used to it, football is now a business and this is just a typical business scenario.
Snatch
15/04/2002, 8:13 PM
I won't be calling Ollie a Judas next season for sure although it will be devastating to see him in a $heliban jersey.
An important factor is that Ollie is from Tipp and not Cork. I don't accept this notion that football clubs are nothing more than business ventures and that the wage is the only important factor for players. Local players should have a desire to represent their locality that ought not be easily trumped by the lure of an extra few euro. As Ollie is not a Corkman, this does not apply to him.
However, I'd be all behind chants like "you're only there for the money":p
Seanie
15/04/2002, 9:33 PM
There's no doubt that Ollie does all the supporters' respect when he returns for the year's service he's put in here - similar to way Gareth Cronin was received on his first return to the Cross. However the term supporters will hardly extend to the morons who will inevitably generate some abuse. However it will be very disappointing if Shels first visit co-incides with them being top of the table and us struggling the bottom-half because Murphy has failed in his quest to adequately replace Ollie.
P.S Hey Dricky, I should have had a patent on my signature!
clarke
15/04/2002, 10:27 PM
With a bit of luck, Ollie will get bored playing in front of 20 fans and come back to City like Skippy did!!
Firstly the only real successful players at $hel$ have been returnees from england as a lot of good players taken from other eL teams get worse on joining $hel$ e.g. Avery John, Minnock, Brian Byrne etc...... from the last couple of years. Even Hutton hasn't been that good with shels.
Whether Ollie is a judas or not we still need a judas flag for the 1st trip to tolka of next season.
City Fan
16/04/2002, 10:42 AM
Ollie,a 'Judas',not a chance! Ollie has served City loyally and like very few before since he joined the club.For the last number of years he has been the best player in the country but, at 27 Ollie has to start thinking of winning some medals for himself. Medals, that, being totally objective about it, won't be won by City at least for 2 or 3 years. All true City fans will I am sure be appreciative of Ollie's efforts on behalf of City and wish him all the best at $hel$.
patsh
16/04/2002, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by pete
Whether Ollie is a judas or not we still need a judas flag for the 1st trip to tolka of next season.
Why would that be Pete?
So that Pete can be on the recieving end of an alleged punch from Ollie Byrne Laden:D :D :D
They have been trying Mucky out on the left as a replacement for Ollie in recent games, not sure if he is up to it.
Originally posted by SÓCcfc
So that Pete can be on the recieving end of an alleged punch from Ollie Byrne Laden
And i didn't even think of that.......
:eek:
ollie ca$hill ?
Ollie's no judas he left because Shels are a better club for him to be at than City right now- end of story. Ollie's has thrilled me and ****ed me off at various times in his City career, but there's no denying that he is a legend among City players and a crowd favourite. It'll be sickening to see him in a $h€liban jersey just as it was to see Gareth in a shams jersey, but thats life.
I'm sure some gentle taunting wouldn't go amiss- a la "oh billy billy"- but leave the judas chants inthe gutter where they belong- oh, and for Liam O'brien :D
Originally posted by GWA
What i find intersting though is that you have started a thread asking for everyones opinion coz we have to give it, yet you dont give an opinion of your own. Waiting to jump on a bandwagon are we???????????
:) No, I have already stated my opinion on a number of threads. I have said that I would have wished Ollie the best of luck had he gone to Hibs/ Kilmarnock but I dont think that I will be able to forgive him for going to $hel$. That, however, doesnt mean that I am going to start calling him a Judas and every other name under the sun. I think that Eanna is right and that a few gentle taunts to get our point across would suffice.
All that said, I still think that he is going to get a torrid time from quite a few people when he returns to the cross. Sure, wernt their an fair few waving money at him and calling him a $hel$ b@stard and he hadnt even left at that stage.
I wish him the best of luck, as long as its not at our expense of course!!!
Troy.McClure
18/04/2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Éanna
Ollie's no judas he left because Shels are a better club for him to be at than City right now
This seems strange, it appears that I am the only one to say OLLIE IS A JUDAS! Éanna's reason for Ollie not being a Judas is actually my reason for him being a Judas.
Ollie would have stayed if City gave him more money than Shels, ie he went to the money. He showed no loyalty to the club. He could have said around Xmas that he intended to leave the club, so we could have sold him for a knocked down price, instead we now get nothing. His willingness to wait and see who offered him the most money showed that he did not transfer for football reasons. If he had loyalty, he would have stayed at the club which gave him a life line back into soccer after his cross channel attemped failed. Instead, he left us the moment things got bad.
Loyalty = not-Judas, Ollie has no loyalty for us, therefore, he is (IMO) a money grabbing Judas! :mad:
I can only hope that he is not regestered propperly for them :mad:
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Loyalty = not-Judas, Ollie has no loyalty for us, therefore, he is (IMO) a money grabbing Judas! :mad:
Why didn't you go to college in Cork ya Judas B@stard!
Dricky
18/04/2002, 12:23 PM
Jay zus its called a transfer, it happens in football from time to time. Anyway Judas ratted on Jesus not sign for the roman football team.
so how can Ollie be a Judas???
So what if he is going for the money, how do you think we got mulligan and devine.
Wake up
Éanna
18/04/2002, 12:48 PM
People are entitled to think what they want, but if I was Ollie the only thing that would have kept me at city would have been Murphy getting his cards.
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Ollie would have stayed if City gave him more money than Shels, ie he went to the money. :mad:
Let's see Troy.
You work for company A.
The manager is a pr*ck.
The company is going nowhere under this pr*ck.
Company B offers you more money to work for them. With them you get to work in Europe. You get bonuses for winning things. All round you do a lot better for yourself.
But you Troy will stay with company A because to go to the money would mean you are a Judas.
No offence Troy, but you should change your name to lang*r!! ......................:p
The thing that really ****es me off about it is that he went for financial reasons and not footballing reasons. $hel$ are not that much bigger or better than city, its not like hes going to be playing in the champions league (i.e. at least the group stages) because $hel$ havent a hope in hell of getting through 3 qualifying rounds. He left for the smell of the hard cash, he has no loyalty!
So I guess if Billy Woods is signed we will have to put up with shouts of Judas every time he plays....after all did he not leave City and show his disloyalty?
I acknowledge COLM and Troy that your opinion is as good as mine and it's good to get differing opinions, but I cannot help but see this Judas stuff as childish and silly. Of course COLM you will probably tell me about love of club and that stuff, but you criticise Ollie for leaving for money reasons and not football reasons. I would think moving from a club with Gunther as the manager to a club that has won the league and are playing at a better level than City is a pretty good football reason. How do you know it was only for money. How do you know what went on in those negotiations ? Have your opinion, but I have to say I think it is negative and pointless.....:(
Troy.McClure
18/04/2002, 8:36 PM
Originally posted by oddboy
I would think moving from a club with Gunther as the manager to a club that has won the league and are playing at a better level than City is a pretty good football reason.[/color] How do you know it was only for money.
Because he said that if the money was right that he would stay. There was never any mention of football and for all he knows Gunther could (& hopefully he will) be the new manager. Even if we do have a prik as a manager, at least we have one and not just a list of who we would like to have (although some of us have them as well ;) )
Troy.McClure
18/04/2002, 8:41 PM
Originally posted by oddboy
You work for company A.
The manager is a pr*ck.
The company is going nowhere under this pr*ck.
Company B offers you more money to work for them. With them you get to work in Europe. You get bonuses for winning things. All round you do a lot better for yourself.
But you Troy will stay with company A because to go to the money would mean you are a Judas.
No offence Troy, but you should change your name to lang*r!! ......................:p
If that were the case, Id support Microsoft on the NASDAQ instead of CCFC in the eL!
To be honest, we all know that after all the money that Ollie makes out of his 3 year Shels contract, he will be back selling office supplies after it.
Troy.McClure
18/04/2002, 8:42 PM
Originally posted by oddboy
So I guess if Billy Woods is signed we will have to put up with shouts of Judas every time he plays....after all did he not leave City and show his disloyalty?
Billy went to Tranmere, Ollie went to Shels. For me there is quite a difference. :mad:
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Billy went to Tranmere, Ollie went to Shels. For me there is quite a difference. :mad:
Go to an another country to play full time football = Not a Judas
Stay in the eL,
(which we are all supposed to support and in which we want to see great players and good football),
but move to another club and play fulltime football = JUDAS
Strange ways of looking at things, Troy......:confused:
Billy was sold by the club.
Ollie left the club.
Its like the way Figo left Barca. He paid the get out clause in his contract to move to his clubs most bitter rivals. He a judas just like Sol Campbell off to the Gooners at the end of last season in england.
Originally posted by pete
Billy was sold by the club.
Ollie left the club.
Its like the way Figo left Barca. He paid the get out clause in his contract to move to his clubs most bitter rivals. He a judas just like Sol Campbell off to the Gooners at the end of last season in england.
So if you leave the club, even though they know when your contract is ending, you are the Judas, and it's got nothing to do with the stupidity of the club management , who did not sell you if you were not going to stay?
By this reckoning at least 50% of the players we watch are Judases.
It must be absolute misery for a lot of you watching eL, cos you are sorrounded by Judases, money grabbers, etc. etc.....:(
The deal for Figo was done over his head, and he had very little say in it. All he did was to agree to something he thought could never happen.
And who in their right mind gives a flying f*ck about Sol f*cking Campbell?
Troy.McClure
19/04/2002, 9:49 AM
Originally posted by oddboy
Stay in the eL,(which we are all supposed to support and in which we want to see great players and good football),
but move to another club and play fulltime football = JUDAS
Im (in a way) glad that he stayed in the eL, but Id rather that he stayed with us. Anyway, he didnt just move to another club, he moved to $hels :mad: I hate them more than Rambelers :mad:
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Im (in a way) glad that he stayed in the eL, but Id rather that he stayed with us. Anyway, he didnt just move to another club, he moved to $hels :mad: I hate them more than Rambelers :mad:
We will have to agree to disagree, Troy.
But hate Ramblers?
That's a job for Pity and Derision...........;)
Éanna
19/04/2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by oddboy
The deal for Figo was done over his head, and he had very little say in it. All he did was to agree to something he thought could never happen.
Figo made his bed and now he's had to lie in it. It was totally his decision and he did it for money. The deal was that the Real presidential candidate-Perez- told all season ticket-holders -i.e. voters- that he'd bring figo to real and if not he'd pay their tickets personally for a year. Figo wanted a better deal (MONEY!) from Barca and signed a contract with Perez saying if he won, Figo would go to real. Figo's intenion was to force Barca to offer him a new contract, he didn't expect Perez to win. When Perez DID win, Figo was paid the value of his get out clause by real and he then paid Barca to buy it out. He did what he did purely for money, and even though I'm a Real fan, I can't respect the guy for it. Ollie's case is different, his contract is up, he chose to leave and, gutted as I am, I don't blame him.
James
19/04/2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Éanna
...and even though I'm a Real fan,
hi i am from Cork and I support Cork City,
thanks for contributing to this site all the way from Madrid..
even though it is an eircom league site its great to have the views of spanish people on the eircom league so keep up your comments
just wondering where you heard about foot.ie over in spain was it?
Éanna
19/04/2002, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by James
hi i am from Cork and I support Cork City,
thanks for contributing to this site all the way from Madrid..
even though it is an eircom league site its great to have the views of spanish people on the eircom league so keep up your comments
just wondering where you heard about foot.ie over in spain was it?
P!SS OFF:p
Eanna, I bow to your superior knowledge...
The next time your having a chat with Luis, get his autograph for me.....:p
Anyway, to get back on topic, I just cannot see Ollie as a Judas. I wish him the best for himself, but hope his time at $hels will be a barren, trophyless, relegation dogfight which they lose in his first season, and banishment to the wildernesses of Athlone, Sligo and Limerick for the following seasons.....:D
Originally posted by oddboy
I wish him the best for himself, but hope his time at $hels will be a barren, trophyless, relegation dogfight which they lose in his first season, and banishment to the wildernesses of Athlone, Sligo and Limerick for the following seasons.....:D
sounds like some sort of gypsy curse :D
sounds like some sort of gypsy curse
Ah the curse we put on that huge English side we have a great link with did well "Going down, going down"......that'll learn them to link with us.
Originally posted by oddboy
I wish him the best for himself, but hope his time at $hels will be a barren, trophyless, relegation dogfight which they lose in his first season, and banishment to the wildernesses of Athlone, Sligo and Limerick for the following seasons.....:D
Agreed. Although I've been wishing that on Shels for years :D
Ollie's been a great player for City, but just think about the amount of games he wasn't with the match when on the pitch and it makes his decision easier to bare. Take the Shels game at the Cross for example. Excellant in the first half, invisible in the second.
Patsys Fags
22/04/2002, 4:29 PM
The only shock when Ollie left was that he didnt leave sooner.The only hope I can drag out of his departure is that the other players realise how good he was and try and play better to make up for his loss. But seriously were f**ked!!!!!!!!
Ive been thinking about this for a while now, but at this point i reckon we are almost certainly better off without Cahill.Reason? well here goes.
City have depended on him too much in recent seasons, and us fans would get on his back when things werent working out. Now that he is gone Gunther is going to have to adjust his 'tactics', and maybe we will become less predictable.
He is not a judas though, and anyone who says he is, is an idiot
Troy.McClure
22/04/2002, 7:02 PM
Originally posted by GWA
Ive been thinking about this for a while now, but at this point i reckon we are almost certainly better off without Cahill.Reason? well here goes.
City have depended on him too much in recent seasons, and us fans would get on his back when things werent working out. Now that he is gone Gunther is going to have to adjust his 'tactics', and maybe we will become less predictable.
He is not a judas though, and anyone who says he is, is an idiot
While I wouldnt say that we are certainly going to be better off without him, I feel that you could be right. As Niamh said, he can go MIA alot of the time and seeing as we depended on him so much, when he didnt turn it on, the team didnt play well. When was the last time Ollie had a stinker and City won? You'd have to go back years Id say.
Éanna
23/04/2002, 11:22 AM
Exactly, he was a very good player, but not as consistent as we needed him to be.
Pablo
23/04/2002, 11:37 AM
he is gone. full stop. lets just get on with it.
I don't care how good he was, nobody is indispensable.
Troy.McClure
23/04/2002, 2:47 PM
This could be looked upon like when Skippy joined Shels all those years ago yet we actually got better. (and Skippy did have his worst time in football. De ja vu here I wonder/hope?)
Originally posted by razor
I don't care how good he was, nobody is indispensable. Its like the old saying, no one player is bigger than the club.
I don't hope he has a stinker at Shels, except against City of course. The boy done well and deserves more success than City can give him in their current situation.
The reality is we've lost one of the best players in the league when he's on form, but we've got to stop moaning and calling him a Judas and get on with life.
Dricky
24/04/2002, 9:35 AM
Ah now Colm Paul Byrne from boh's is pretty big. if it was no one is bigger than the club I'd say look a P Dolan.
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