Problems with Oriel Park....

[patsh]

As a matter of interest, if a pitch was being used nightly by local junior/underage leagues, at weekends for 5 aside, kick abouts, etc. etc., and used by players to train on everyday, and play a game very fortnight, plus cup/ league cup games, how long is the lifetime of the surface?

Just how long does the artificial stuff last with heavyish use?

[anto eile]

During league games in the Faeroes we were allowed onto the astro pitches for a kick about at half time. Dundalk should have a similar policy.

thats very amateur looking!

dundalk said they expect the pitch to be worth 3-4K a week to them from renting out

NY Hoop- they did start on it at the end of last summer, but got bogged down with financial difficulties regarding drawing down grants from the fai

i think the pitch looks very astroturf-ish, but whether it responds like that or grass is obviously the main issue,and fifa are satisfied there.so good luck to them and their pitch

btw i wonder how will 5000 (dundalk were talking about such a crowd today) fit into oriel with the shed now a pile of rubble?

[Peadar]

But as for every club copying them??

Sorry, this was a conversation for clubs who actually have a ground they can call home. :p :D

[Bald Student]

Sorry, this was a conversation for clubs who actually have a ground they can call home. :p :DI'll inform the Munster FA so.

[Bald Student]

Oh the joys of being able to charge them for the use of united park on fridayDo the FAI not own United Park?

[fosterdollar]

I've never seen so many shattered glasshouses in one place before.

[noby]

Excuse me for interrupting this plastic pitch love-in, but, and you may call me old fashioned, football is a game played on grass. And mud. And bumps. And hollows.

[Peadar]

I'll inform the Munster FA so.

You can inform them all you like.
I never said we owned the place.
Just like pretty much no eL club owns its own ground.
We're the principle tennants.
We've contributed most of the money for the development of Turners Cross.
Without us, it would be three mounds of gravel and the shed.

[Cosmo]

Do the FAI not own United Park?

They do but we can charge whoever we want rent (and we have charged craptown already this season)

[eamoss]

Yeah think it was something like €1000 a game :eek: [Not too sure on that tho]

[OneRedArmy]

During league games in the Faeroes we were allowed onto the astro pitches for a kick about at half time. Dundalk should have a similar policy.


thats very amateur looking!
Anto think of the fun if they instituted that policy in Bohs v Rovers games. All the casuals clambering onto the pitch for a half time kickabout, it would be just like the Christmas Day match in no-mans land during WW1.

One of you would have to give up the Burberry though, as it would get a bit confusing working out whose who....

[holidaysong]

Finally the pitch saga is at an end. FAI have decided that capacity will be 5,000 for the game. I got my ticket today - apparantly they are selling like hot cakes. It is looking like it might even sell out.

Roll on Friday. :)

[eamoss]

Yeah got mine today as well, Oriel can hold 6000 but FAI put a max of 5000 smart move. Still a lot of work to be done tv stands, ad boards, tunnel, putting seats into the dugouts and fencing off behind the carrick road goals.

[anto eile]

Sorry, this was a conversation for clubs who actually have a ground they can call home. :p :D

then it has nothing to do with cork either. you dont own turners cross, the munster fa do. remember that, "biy"

[Colm]

Noitce how it was only Longford fans calling for a return to Winter football in this thread. As usual no ambition, no forward thinking.

[OneRedArmy]

Noitce how it was only Longford fans calling for a return to Winter football in this thread. As usual no ambition, no forward thinking.
and the winter weather acts as an equalizer, making it more difficult to play good passing football due to boggy pitches, wind and rain. :D

[Bald Student]

Cork are afraid of winter football as the high winds would affect their hoof-ball tactics.

[Cosmo]

Yeah got mine today as well, Oriel can hold 6000 but FAI put a max of 5000 smart move. Still a lot of work to be done tv stands, ad boards, tunnel, putting seats into the dugouts and fencing off behind the carrick road goals.

Why were the PFAI meeting with the dundalk players tonight?

Also, latest drogs statement:

"The Board of Drogheda United have received a communication from the F.A.I. stating that a F.I.F.A. Referee will inspect the Dundalk Pitch tomorrow morning (Thursday 25th August) to determine its playability. "

[Colm]

Cork are afraid of winter football as the high winds would affect their hoof-ball tactics.

You obvioulsy haven't seen City play much in the last couple of years.
There wasn't much hoofball when we destroyed UCD 5-1 a few weeks back.....

[Sheridan]

No-one in any vague position of authority or influence has been calling for a return to Winter football, and that's all that counts.

I'm not sure on what basis you make that assertion, they may not have been articulated publically as yet, but a significant number of administrators within the game have expressed serious misgivings about summer football, as I think a straw poll of eircom League chairmen would attest.

For an additional perspective, it's worth noting that Swedish league is "likely" (according to my sources there) to revert to an Autumn/Spring rhythm in the near future (probably by 2007, if not sooner), with fixtures commencing in early August, pausing for a break in December, resuming in March/April and concluding in mid-June.

The reasoning behind the proposed move includes the increased quality and availability of synthetic surfaces, as well as the perceived adverse impact (borne out by Malmo's recent elimination) upon Swedish clubs in Europe, who are often field teams in European competition which differ radically from those which qualified via the Allsvenskan.

[geysir]

despite summer soccer we are still playing in some awful weather both at the beginning and especially at the end. Alot of games are usually called off each season and we have had the misfortune of havingtwo or three high profile games called off due to sudden rainfall. It still makes sence to at least look into the costings for one of these artifical pitches.
Consider one with a roof over it :-) then the possibilities are endless.
With 5 (fold away) rows of seats going each side, thats 2,000 seats. Then about 1,000 can stand around and watch. There are 2 of these in my neighbourhood (admittedly its Iceland) both are UEFA certified. pitch size 105m x 58m, pitch arena 120m x 90m
http://egilshollin.is/english.htm
this one cost about €8m to build but it is a complete sports centre.

It doesn't have to be built to the same standard.
One club in a country town (pop 5,000) built an indoor arena with a small pitch for training 50m x 30m for about €700,000. Industrial construction standard.
The pitches are used non stop until midnight every day. Registered clubs have priority but off peak its possible for any joe soap to rent the pitch. You can have 2 games playing across the pitch 55m x 35 m. then it costs €95 per hour for half the pitch. Thats student rate, playing at 10.00pm.
Day time rental costs are much much higher.
Real money is in renting it out for rock concerts, holds 18,000 unseated, here's a few pictures from a seated concert
http://www.domingo.is/English/index.htm

The clubs here just borrow the funds from the banks and make it pay for itself OR don't sign players like Foley.
If a few hick clubs up here can get this together it does demonstrate how far EL clubs have yet to progress. The Dundalk venture is exciting.

[Macy]

Noitce how it was only Longford fans calling for a return to Winter football in this thread. As usual no ambition, no forward thinking.
:rolleyes: Where exactly on this thread? Someone saying it may be another factor in the arguement.... Mores the pity you wouldn't disappear from here like your mate the corner....

I think if the pitch proves to be a success and plays like grass, it should at least be considered by other clubs. As previously mentioned, the potential to rent it out would be huge, plus the savings on training pitch rent for the club, plus availability for the underage teams, clubs with bars getting the knock on effects of people stopping for a pint....

[Peadar]

you dont own turners cross, the munster fa do. remember that, "biy"

You tell me where I said we own the ground?
Typical Rovers, flying off the handle without getting someone to read the post to them first! :rolleyes:
Can you please name all the eL clubs who own the ground they play in and then get your parole officer to type it here for everyone to read it.

[fosterdollar]

Noitce how it was only Longford fans calling for a return to Winter football in this thread. As usual no ambition, no forward thinking.
How can someone make such a blatantly incorrect statement? And post it on the internet. In writing.

[observer]

Colm, as Macy says where have Longford supporters been advocating a return to winter football? In any case the "grounds" for a return would not be playing surfaces but the decrease in gates due to clashes with GAA fixtures.
Anyway I think we are excluded from this thread on the basis that we own our own pitch. :rolleyes:

[The Stars]

Can you please name all the eL clubs who own the ground they play in and then get your parole officer to type it here for everyone to read it.
I can only tell you that Sligo Rovers and the people of sligo own The Showgrounds and it can not be used for any other purpose other than Soccer. Also we have just built a new Sate of the Art 'Mondoturf' pitch in The Showgrounds,beside the main pitch.
Longford fans would have seen it being built when they were down a month or so back.

[Peadar]

I can only tell you that Sligo Rovers and the people of sligo own The Showgrounds


What I want is a club where the club actually own the ground.
Not Mr. Fat Chequebook who is the club director or not some local community association.

[Vitruvian Man]

Eh, Bohemians own Dalymount Park.

[Peadar]

Eh, Bohemians own Dalymount Park.

Interesting! Why is there a fear that it will be sold out from under you so then?

[Vitruvian Man]

We can only sell it if we own it in the first place.
Where are you going with this arguement?

Dalymount Park is 100% owned by the members of the club, for any part of the land to be sold it has to be approved by a vote of the members.

No county councils.
No sugar-daddys
No property developer investors
You can't get any more "owned" than that.

If it f*cks up, and we have to sell the gound, it's because we f*cked it up ourselves. We cannot be shafted by anybody outside the club.

[Peadar]

Where are you going with this arguement?

I'm not going anywhere with it.
Some people sit on their high horse slagging off City for having to rent Turners Cross off the MFA. They foolishly believe that their club owns the ground they play in. There are very few clubs who actually own their ground. Rovers on the other hand, can't even rent a ground.

[Macy]

I'm not going anywhere with it.
Some people sit on their high horse slagging off City for having to rent Turners Cross off the MFA. They foolishly believe that their club owns the ground they play in. There are very few clubs who actually own their ground. Rovers on the other hand, can't even rent a ground.
Think you've that arse ways Peader infairness - wasn't it Cork fans slagging Rovers for not owning their own ground that kicked this off?

[DvB]

There are very few clubs who actually own their ground. Rovers on the other hand, can't even rent a ground.

Eh.... so what are we doing in Dalymount Park? At least i assume we rent it for our games, unless of course Bohs have decided to forego the rent and are providing it free of charge?

[Peadar]

Eh.... so what are we doing in Dalymount Park?

Tennants from hell by the sounds of it.
Same old story really. :rolleyes:

[bigmac]

Think you've that arse ways Peader infairness - wasn't it Cork fans slagging Rovers for not owning their own ground that kicked this off?

Yes and no. The wording of the original quote was

Sorry, this was a conversation for clubs who actually have a ground they can call home.
so he didn't actually mention owning a ground. However, every club has a ground to call home, whether they rent it from the Munster FA or another club so the arguments are pretty much redundant.

[Peadar]

so the arguments are pretty much redundant.

It was a dig at the homeless.
End of!

[fosterdollar]

Originally Posted by bigmac
so the arguments are pretty much redundant.

It was a dig at the homeless.
End of!

and the jobless

[Schumi]

Rovers on the other hand, can't even rent a ground.
I think they've proven that they can rent a ground on numerous occasions!

[Peadar]

I think they've proven that they can rent a ground on numerous occasions!

Are you suggesting that we should call them the Rent Boys now? :D

[NY Hoop]

Tennants from hell by the sounds of it.
Same old story really. :rolleyes:

Sounds of what exactly? You're anti Dub crap is out the window considering where Damien is from.

In my time following Rovers I've been to the x, bishopstown and musgrave park for league games.

KOH

[Sam Savic]

We may have had to rent a number of grounds over the past 16 years but we are still called Shamrock Rovers.
You can all have a nice comfy seat in our new stadium in Tallaght and we won't even have to pay any rent.

[Peadar]

You're anti Dub crap is out the window considering where Damien is from.

How does anti Rovers make me anti Dublin?
Rovers don't represent anything that's positive about Dublin!
Why don't you go fly off the handle somewhere else!?