2023 Season Tickets

[CraftyToePoke]

You sure that's not actually 45? O'Keeffe confirmed that 50 seats are being kept for 'VIP's'. I assume they're the block of greys in the middle.

Massaging the numbers there to make a bad day worse if true. Nice spot. Creating LOI accountancy begins early in Kerrys LOI adventure ha !

[legendz]

Released prices of standing tickets now, but can't see this being the end of the matter!

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Going by the pricing, the matchday ticket prices will be 20 seating and 15 standing at least.

Bit hopeful from our neighbours there & it's good to see they have a blunder in them, which this is. They were worryingly note perfect up to this.A blunder for sure. First engagement with the supporters really doesn't bode well. First impressions and all that!
An amateur team will be doing well to challenge 8th and 9th. Pricing should be in line with that. If preseason games are being touted as value for money, Billy will have to use his contacts to get Shamrock Rovers.

[EalingGreen]

It is both a long and a well-established principle of economics that pricing and demand are inter-related. It's also basic feckin' common sense.

As a general principle, that is quite correct. But with football ST's, there are other influencing factors, beyond the absolute of eg "1,500 places supply versus 1,000 fans demand".

Namely that some people will pay up not simply to guarantee admission to a game, but to reserve a particular seat i.e. good view/alongside their mates or family/not able to stand etc. Meaning that they''ll still purchase a ST, tying them to every game at a high price, even though they know there will likely still be tickets available on the day when games don't sell out. Similarly, buying a ST saves the hassle of buying on a match-by-match basis, whilst also offering priority for any sell-out matches in the Cup, or play-offs etc.

Another factor is that if demand drops after the initial novelty fades, and/or the team is struggling on the pitch, the club can always drop prices or make special offers and promotions etc, to help maintain demand. But if they start off low, then fans will see low prices as standard, making it harder for the club subsequntly to raise prices (to allow for inflation or expansion etc), even should demand still be holding up generally.

As against all that, it will be interesting to see what non-ST prices they charge. For a ST should always offer a decent discount over match-by-match purchases, not least because you want to get money in early, and reward loyalty etc, while not every ST Holder can guarantee to attend every game.

I'd expect m-b-m prices will likely be sky high, too.

[culloty82]

Bohs:

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[Dermobohs]

Be interested to see the take up on des kelly tickets, no cover there at all, I feel they’re overpriced myself, but with the Jodi
almost certainly sold out, it’s good to have that many extra spaces.

[placid casual]

Eh, silly question maybe... But where are the away fans supposed to go?

[RealJohn91]

There's a 450 seater temporary stand going where the connaught stand used to be next season.

[EatYerGreens]

Eh, silly question maybe... But where are the away fans supposed to go?

"To hell, or (the) Connaught (Stand)"

[David BOHie]

There's a 450 seater temporary stand going where the connaught stand used to be next season.

That 450 stand actually adds about 1,000 to the capacity funnily enough. The Des Kelly can fit something like 1,100 but that was limited to 700 last year due to segregation and this was limited even more for Rovers games, about 350. Moving the away fans to the new Connaught Street stand means we can use the full 1,100 for all games and the away fans will get the whole of a new 450 stand.
Taking the capacity from
Jodi: 2,750
DK: 350-700 depending on the game
Total: 3,100 - 3450

to
Jodi: 2,750
DK: 1,100
Connaught: 450
Total: 4,300.

Having a 4 handle at a big derby game is a lot more respectable than a 3 handle. Dalyer obviously needs a major refurbishment but this will ease a lot of capacity issues in the short term.

[WeAreRovers]

Rovers have sold 3,000 season tickets. https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1602966630425935876

[EatYerGreens]

Rovers have sold 3,000 season tickets. https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1602966630425935876

And two months still to go. Impressive stuff.

How many were sold last year ?

[WeAreRovers]

And two months still to go. Impressive stuff.

How many were sold last year ?

Around 3,500 I think so well on course to beat that for 2023.

[Shinkicker]

Around 3,500 I think so well on course to beat that for 2023.
There should be no reason why the 4 main clubs in Dublin don't have a much improved uptake on Season tickets. Rovers won the league and are in Europe, Pats into Europe, Shels beaten Cup finalist and Bohs having the full Jodi and the Des Kelly available. I'll be curious to see the numbers come the start of the season.

[Jack B]

Pats sell a record amount for the second season running.

[2 Year Contract]

Pats sell a record amount for the second season running.
Great going surpassing last seasons previous record already considering there’s still 2 months to go till the season starts

[EatYerGreens]

There should be no reason why the 4 main clubs in Dublin don't have a much improved uptake on Season tickets. Rovers won the league and are in Europe, Pats into Europe, Shels beaten Cup finalist and Bohs having the full Jodi and the Des Kelly available. I'll be curious to see the numbers come the start of the season.

Do/will all the clubs release accurate numbers on the number of STs sold ?

[total hoofball]

There should be no reason why the 4 main clubs in Dublin don't have a much improved uptake on Season tickets. Rovers won the league and are in Europe, Pats into Europe, Shels beaten Cup finalist and Bohs having the full Jodi and the Des Kelly available. I'll be curious to see the numbers come the start of the season.
I think Shels have completely overpriced STs charging renewals at €250 and new STs at €275 I don't think we are going to gain many new ST holders at that price point, Rovers impressive numbers confirm keeping ST prices low works

[EatYerGreens]

I think Shels have completely overpriced STs charging renewals at €250 and new STs at €275 I don't think we are going to gain many new ST holders at that price point, Rovers impressive numbers confirm keeping ST prices low works

Rovers also helped in that, of course, by having a relatively large and growing stadium to fill.

[sbgawa]

Rovers also helped in that, of course, by having a relatively large and growing stadium to fill.

Ive got to hand it to the Board of Rovers for the ticket price policy over the last 3 or 4 years , reducing prices and letting kids in for free a few years ago 9or almost free) has led to people gettng into the habit of going.
That being said success on the pitch has a lot to do with it as well

[DCSIL]

Derry sold out of Season Tickets this morning.

[legendz]

Great value to be found in the southeast. Kerry FC take note please!
https://twitter.com/WexfordFC/status/1611474980805529606?t=-PUfeo7CR7nCiCz5UhdSuQ&s=19

[Asterix]

3650 sold by rovers now and the south stand is sold out.

[yurt]

Those are some impressive numbers by Rovers 6 weeks before the start of the season.

It's such a shame that we won't know what numbers the likes of Bohs and Derry would do if they weren't so drastically limited by their capacity.

Season ticket holder count is probably a better metric for measuring the size of a club instead of average attendance (can be skewed by a couple of big games, Cobh's home games Vs Cork for example) so it's good to see that they appear to be well up across the board.

[D24Saint]

Pats sell a record amount for the second season running.

The club are doing great work to improve the match day atmosphere and it shows with the number of season tickets sold. There is a point were we wont be able to keep growing due to the limitations of Richmond.

[Glen Of Aherlow]

The club are doing great work to improve the match day atmosphere and it shows with the number of season tickets sold. There is a point were we wont be able to keep growing due to the limitations of Richmond.

There's great interest and momentum out there around the league at present and sadly the grounds are going to hold that back for the likes of Pats , Bohs and Derry . Even if they can get something off the ground in terms of stadium development , it's still going to be a number of years to completion and the worry is that the people who are currently getting an interest in attending game's on a regular basis will lose that interest if they can't get tickets

[Mr_Parker]

What's the likely 1 match ticket average price going to be for the coming season?

[D24Saint]

What's the likely 1 match ticket average price going to be for the coming season?

Id say the average adult ticket price for a stand ticket would be €20 and €15 for a terrace one. Then knock a fiver off them prices for OAP/concessions.

[nigel-harps1954]

By the turn of the year, Harps had over 600 season tickets sold for the upcoming season.

For a relegated club, quite happy with that return, so far.

[EatYerGreens]

There's great interest and momentum out there around the league at present and sadly the grounds are going to hold that back for the likes of Pats , Bohs and Derry . Even if they can get something off the ground in terms of stadium development , it's still going to be a number of years to completion and the worry is that the people who are currently getting an interest in attending game's on a regular basis will lose that interest if they can't get tickets

Derry and Bohs should be able to go with temporary structures to increase capacity ?

[EatYerGreens]

Derry sold out of Season Tickets this morning.

How many is that sold ?

[sbgawa]

Derry and Bohs should be able to go with temporary structures to increase capacity ?


They are building a big stand on top of the moral high ground in Dalymount, oceans of room :)

[Shinkicker]

They are building a big stand on top of the moral high ground in Dalymount, oceans of room :)
With Bohs having the Des Kelly and the full Jodi they should increase the number of season tickets by a considerable amount. Its great to see so many clubs doing so well on that front. I think generally interest has grown for all LOI clubs but more so in Dublin. The main problem is spectator expectations, not of the game but more so the facilities. This need to be addressed by all clubs and sooner rather than later.

[placid casual]

Facilities is key, particularly for all these increased season ticket holders.
A Premier licence for a club should mean a basic requirement of the following, and should NOT be granted if not available:
(a) sufficient weather cover for both home & away fans
(b) toilet facilities for both genders for both home & away fans.
(2) hot & cold food facilities for both home & away fans.

Any clubs saying they can't afford these requirements should be told to f**' off and come back when they have it. Their place can be taken by a 1st division team who can provide. If clubs can afford full time wages they can afford these facilities.
It's time to adopt a "€hit or get off the pot" mentality to all Premier division clubs who are given licences despite providing sub-standard facilities. Enough is enough.

[RealJohn91]

Facilities is key, particularly for all these increased season ticket holders.
A Premier licence for a club should mean a basic requirement of the following, and should NOT be granted if not available:
(a) sufficient weather cover for both home & away fans
(b) toilet facilities for both genders for both home & away fans.
(2) hot & cold food facilities for both home & away fans.

Any clubs saying they can't afford these requirements should be told to f**' off and come back when they have it. Their place can be taken by a 1st division team who can provide. If clubs can afford full time wages they can afford these facilities.
It's time to adopt a "€hit or get off the pot" mentality to all Premier division clubs who are given licences despite providing sub-standard facilities. Enough is enough.
You'd only have three maybe four teams in the premier league in that case. Love to see all these first division teams who would replace them too with those facilities. I'm sure Treaty and their deathtrap stadium would be up to the job :rolleyes:

[outspoken]

You'd only have three maybe four teams in the premier league in that case. Love to see all these first division teams who would replace them too with those facilities. I'm sure Treaty and their deathtrap stadium would be up to the job :rolleyes:

That's the problem, in the First Division Galway and Waterford would be suitable to step up but even a club like Longford who have a wonderful ground don't have cover on both sides and only one set of toilets. You'd be talking serious money to roof the other side of the ground. Until the investment comes from government, FAI etc we can't have such expectations sadly unless we want a four or five team top tier

[Dermobohs]

Grand so, pats shels and ourselves will all co tenant in tallaght until govt and our good friends in DCC get the finger out and hand us a state of the art ground a la sdcc.

[sbgawa]

(b) toilet facilities for both genders for both home & away fans.
(2)

What about they/them not very inclusive for a fella with initials PC :)

[nigel-harps1954]

PC is absolutely right though, to be fair.

It's basic requirements he's on about, not wholesale refurbishment of grounds.

[pineapple stu]

I'd add "clean" to the start of the comment on toilets.

There's diseases unknown to man lurking in Drogheda's toilets. Oriel and Dalymount aren't much better given the amount of money going through the clubs in recent years. And Portaloos should be a temporary option for an unusually large crowd, not a permanent feature.

[RealJohn91]

PC is absolutely right though, to be fair.

It's basic requirements he's on about, not wholesale refurbishment of grounds.
I'd agree on the food and toilets part but having proper cover for fans would be wholesale refurbishment in most grounds.

[DCWA]

How many is that sold ?


No one really knows.

We are not sure how many (if any, although there may be a requirement) are being kept aside for general sale and of course allowing for the away allocation, sponsors etc.

If I was to take a guess maybe looking 2500ish. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that at the minute we could have sold double that.

Unfortunately being held back by our unfinished stadium yes. At this stage I would have liked it burnt to the ground during the off season so we could stop pretending we have a stadium at all. We have an unfinished development.

[placid casual]

Grand so, pats shels and ourselves will all co tenant in tallaght until govt and our good friends in DCC get the finger out and hand us a state of the art ground a la sdcc.


The same clubs you mention had a 30 Yr start on Rovers in sorting out your clubs stadiums and infrastructure, and what did youse spend it on... Over inflated wages for people like jason byrne, glen crowe and stuey byne...
Youse had your chance. And you have sweet f... all to show for it.
The same with dundalk, who made anywhere between 8-10M in the 20210's and all they to show for it was some improved training facilities.
People expecting this government (of all governments!!) to simply throw money at clubs is just another walter mitty-esque notion that keeps this league from really developing.
Bohs and shels are trying to get stadiums sorted and are being assisted by government so there is hope, but it needs 10/12 clubs showing real initiative to get their facilities sorted once and for all.
Without thesesl facilities there will be no culture of families, young girls etc wanting to attend LOI games.

[Dermobohs]

The same clubs you mention had a 30 Yr start on Rovers in sorting out your clubs stadiums and infrastructure, and what did youse spend it on... Over inflated wages for people like jason byrne, glen crowe and stuey byne...
Youse had your chance. And you have sweet f... all to show for it.
The same with dundalk, who made anywhere between 8-10M in the 20210's and all they to show for it was some improved training facilities.
People expecting this government (of all governments!!) to simply throw money at clubs is just another walter mitty-esque notion that keeps this league from really developing.
Bohs and shels are trying to get stadiums sorted and are being assisted by government so there is hope, but it needs 10/12 clubs showing real initiative to get their facilities sorted once and for all.
Without thesesl facilities there will be no culture of families, young girls etc wanting to attend LOI games.
Don’t start with that ****e, they had no head start, they just proved that no loi club can possibly upgrade maintain and keep a stadium and put a squad together. Not possible . Rovers go on with a load of old guff about the glorious mill town but it was a kip(aside from an immaculate pitch). A kip which ultimately had to be sold off because of vast overspending on players.
As tallaght and sdcc proves municipal grounds with tenant teams is the way forward.

[sbgawa]

Bit harsh to say it was a kip.
If it was there today it would still be the best ground in Dublin.

But compared to Tallaght , night and day

[Shinkicker]

The same clubs you mention had a 30 Yr start on Rovers in sorting out your clubs stadiums and infrastructure, and what did youse spend it on... Over inflated wages for people like jason byrne, glen crowe and stuey byne...
Youse had your chance. And you have sweet f... all to show for it.
The same with dundalk, who made anywhere between 8-10M in the 20210's and all they to show for it was some improved training facilities.
People expecting this government (of all governments!!) to simply throw money at clubs is just another walter mitty-esque notion that keeps this league from really developing.
Bohs and shels are trying to get stadiums sorted and are being assisted by government so there is hope, but it needs 10/12 clubs showing real initiative to get their facilities sorted once and for all.
Without thesesl facilities there will be no culture of families, young girls etc wanting to attend LOI games.
While I do agree about the quality of the facilities I don't necessarily agree with all of the wages remarks. However some of the facilities you are slating were good enough for you when your Glenmalure landlord left you homeless. It's also very easy to slate self kept facilities when you are handed a state of the art facility albeit not in your original patch.

[sbgawa]

While I do agree about the quality of the facilities I don't necessarily agree with all of the wages remarks. However some of the facilities you are slating were good enough for you when your Glenmalure landlord left you homeless. It's also very easy to slate self kept facilities when you are handed a state of the art facility albeit not in your original patch.

To be fair Rovers werent handed it , they built the first stand and laid out the pitch before it became obvious the council would have to help us finish it.
Rovers also got the money for the second stand themselves from the sports dept (not the council).

That being said if it wasnt for the council we wouldnt have anything like what we have today and quite possibly would be playing in a one sided stadium.
Council owned is the way to go. Dalymount will be next and hopefully the council might allow one of Kelehers schemes for some sort of land swap to build a new inchicore stadium. With LOI crowds even the recent relativly good ones building and maintaining state of the art stadiums is a pipe dream

[Glen Of Aherlow]

The same clubs you mention had a 30 Yr start on Rovers in sorting out your clubs stadiums and infrastructure, and what did youse spend it on... Over inflated wages for people like jason byrne, glen crowe and stuey byne...
Youse had your chance. And you have sweet f... all to show for it.
The same with dundalk, who made anywhere between 8-10M in the 20210's and all they to show for it was some improved training facilities.
People expecting this government (of all governments!!) to simply throw money at clubs is just another walter mitty-esque notion that keeps this league from really developing.
Bohs and shels are trying to get stadiums sorted and are being assisted by government so there is hope, but it needs 10/12 clubs showing real initiative to get their facilities sorted once and for all.
Without thesesl facilities there will be no culture of families, young girls etc wanting to attend LOI games.

Given all the years Rovers were homeless , you'd think now that you're top of the pile you might show a little bit of humility and understanding towards other LOI clubs situations and the difficulty in getting stadiums developed without significant Govt. / Council
investment ......but i guess not.

[pineapple stu]

How many times have DCC bought Dalymount off Bohs now? I don't think Bohs can quite play the béal bocht here.

The idea that "no loi club can possibly upgrade maintain and keep a stadium and put a squad together" is nonsense. Hygenic toilets (not Portaloos) don't cost quite the same as a brand new stand and should be perfectly achievable by any LoI club.

[EalingGreen]

As tallaght and sdcc proves municipal grounds with tenant teams is the way forward. Are Councils throughout the country going (able?) to stump up the money for another dozen or more grounds in the LOI, whether major refurbsihments or new builds?

And even if they are, there is no guarantee that future administrations will be able/willing to maintain and upgrade grounds over the next 20, 30, 40 years, even if they own them themselves.

Otherwise, you might end up with a miniature version of what has happened eg in Italy. I think I'm right in saying that only 3 Serie A clubs currently own their own grounds, the rest are municiapally owned, with some shared. Many of these were refurbished and expanded with goevernment money, both local and national, for Italia 90, with only a couple being brand new. Which was all very well for the 1990's and early 2000's, when Italian clubs were the best in Europe.

But move on a couple of decades, and you find that their landlords (Councils and Government) are neither willing nor able to invest to get grounds up to the standard needed to compete with the best of England and Germany (esp), meaning that they are falling ever further behind, in grounds that are often too small, old and unfit-for-purpose by modern standards.

Fact is, clubs need to own their own grounds and have the financial competence to manage them for the long term, instead of relying on others to keep them in decent accommodation while they splash what money they have on players' wages and transfers etc in the rush for silverware. This would also mean that instead of paying rent, they could also benefit fully from any commercial activity they carry out at their stadium, while also having a tangible asset of their own to call upon should they need to borrow to invest (best case scenario), or to avoid going bust (worst case scenario).

Unless, of course, SDCC is the norm for Councils, and not the exception - you and others will be much better placed to judge that than me.

[WeAreRovers]

Given all the years Rovers were homeless , you'd think now that you're top of the pile you might show a little bit of humility and understanding towards other LOI clubs situations and the difficulty in getting stadiums developed without significant Govt. / Council
investment ......but i guess not.

Humility is not in our DNA, never has been!

The point is that Bohs have let Dalymount fall down around them while Dundalk saw millions go through the club's books with nothing to show for it. Both clubs justifiably see themselves as big in the context of the LOI but both away ends are an absolute disgrace with no proper facilities. The home ends are not much better,

A PS points out not even doing the basics and then putting on the poor mouth doesn't cut it. Until we face up to the fact that some of our grounds simply aren't fit for purpose we won't/can't attract new fans. At least to those grounds.

I can't bring my 10-year-old son to Dalymount for instance, he's been to Richmond and Tolka but to be honest hearing the news out of Dalymount today I'd be wary of bringing him to any Dublin ground other than Tallaght and the Bowl.