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Simon Webb, Stephen Caffrey, Fergal Harkin, Glen Crowe, Bobby Ryan, Brian Shelley, Trevor Molloy (All Bohemians),
Owen Heary, Jon Minnock, Richie Baker, Barry Prenderville (All Shelbourne),
Paul Osam, Ciaran Foley, Martin Russell, Liam Kelly, (All St Pats), Pat Scully, Tony Grant, Shane Robinson, Sean Francis, Billy Woods, (All Shamrock Rovers),
Michael Devine, Derek Coughalan, Ollie Cahill (Cork City),
Philip Keogh, Jason Byrne, Colin Tresson, Jodi Lynch (Bray Wanderers),
Barry Ryan, Clive Delaney (UCD),
Derek O'Brien Alan Murphy (Galway United), Paul McNally (Longford Town),
Kevin McHugh (Finn Harps),
Gary Dempsey(Waterford United).
I think this is for that tournament thing with UK & irish non-league teams or something. And players have to be irish too.
Just noticed no Conor O'Grady. I don't know who got in ahead of him in central midfield but still very surprising....
mouldymurphy
27/03/2002, 5:11 PM
Originally posted by pete
Just noticed no Conor O'Grady. I don't know who got in ahead of him in central midfield but still very surprising....
sack the board:D :D :D
Correct me if Im wrong but is Devine the only keeper in that bunch?
Is O'Riordan the manager for that squad? If he is that might go some way to explaining O'Grady's absence. He was in disupte with O'Riordans current employers.
Barry Ryan is a keeper too, but won't Shelley and Molloy be Carlisle players by the time the tournament takes place?
IMO its embarishing to be playing against the UK non-leaguers anyway.
Can't remember the exact nature of the tournament but think in theory irish semi-pro or non-league players in the Uk could play on the irish squad?
:confused:
Schumi
28/03/2002, 10:57 AM
Great to see Barry Ryan getting some recognition for a fantastic season. Almost single-handedly got us a point against Shels on Friday.
Éanna
28/03/2002, 12:36 PM
can't believe grady isn't in there! Strange choice of keepers, Devine and Ryan are both very good, but I would have thought one or two others would have stood a better chance- steve williams and steven o'brien to name just 2.
Shelsman
28/03/2002, 1:26 PM
Originally posted by joe
Barry Ryan is a keeper too, but won't Shelley and Molloy be Carlisle players by the time the tournament takes place?
If Collins gets his way the whole lot will be Carlisle players at that stage !
Shelsman
28/03/2002, 1:35 PM
It's good to see that First Division players are not excluded.
Are there two Conor O'Grady's or something as he didn't look that hot any time I saw him -there are much better midfielders in the League ( I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that he's not one of the best right now ). Let's put it this way -a good Cork City player is an average Eircom League one!
Except Ollie Cahill -but that will hardly apply in a few weeks time...
Originally posted by Shelsman
Let's put it this way -a good Cork City player is an average Eircom League one.
better than siging washed up rejects from england every year and bullying your way up the table though, isn't it?
P.S. Whats it like to have no fans?
Williams is welsh (like Russell) so can't play for el irish selection.
Its ludicrous to comment on O'Grady after seeing him play obne game. Just take our word for it that hes been consistentlky good all season.
I think they have deliberately tried to spread the squad amoung as much teams as possible as thats the only explanation for 4 Bray players on the team. I know some of the top clubs have a good few foreigners but even allowing for that clubs like Galway & Longford would usually be lucky to get a lookin.
what about Shay Kelly at st. cheats? he's got to be in the squad.....
Shelsman
29/03/2002, 8:13 AM
Originally posted by pete
Williams is welsh (like Russell) so can't play for el irish selection.
Its ludicrous to comment on O'Grady after seeing him play obne game. Just take our word for it that hes been consistentlky good all season.
I've been along to Turners cross about 10 times this season if you must know, so I'm not judging him on one appearance. The other City players are so crap they just make him look good.
Mick McCarthy is not likely to be at the representational games so why not include foreign players who have contributed to our league if they are good enough?
are you sure you were at the right ground?! Even if the other city players were poor- even crap- which they have been on many occasions, it's surely a measure of a good player that he was able to consistently out-perform his team-mates in a team playing badly!
Originally posted by Shelsman
Mick McCarthy is not likely to be at the representational games so why not include foreign players who have contributed to our league if they are good enough?
Because the rules of the tournament say the players have to be irish or welsh or english (depending on league selection they playing for)
:rolleyes:
Anyone who suggests O'Grady isn't a good player doesn't have a clue, then again I suppose he isn't a flare players either.
the whole thing is a joke and an insult to the eircom League anyway.
Snatch
30/03/2002, 7:56 PM
[QUOTE]Anyone who suggests O'Grady isn't a good player doesn't have a clue, then again I suppose he isn't a flare players either. [/B
I have to disagree there Pete, I now O' Grady works hard in games but I think that it would be a bad reflection on the league if a player of his limited capabilities makes a representative team.
A less than inspiational midfield is one of the main reasons for City's poor results this year. O' Grady is not a patch of former City midfielders like Barry or Feyne in my opinion.
soccerhead
30/03/2002, 9:42 PM
wheres Petter Hutton??Jon minnock should not be there.He cant get a game with shels.Good decision to put prenderville in.too many bohs players.maybe there predicting them leaving for carlisle.Bray players decision is baffling.Russell is a quality player.Its clear there spreading the team out over the clubs.only reason why Gary Dempsey and nally are on it.whos the gaffer
Don O'Riordan is the coach
Originally posted by soccerhead
wheres Petter Hutton??
The players have to be irish as in from the Republic!!! I also heard some players had holidays already planned so couldn't make it. Can hardly blame them with such a short break to the next season.
Troy.McClure
02/04/2002, 8:44 AM
Originally posted by Snatch
[QUOTE]Anyone who suggests O'Grady isn't a good player doesn't have a clue, then again I suppose he isn't a flare players either.
I have to disagree there Pete, I now O' Grady works hard in games but I think that it would be a bad reflection on the league if a player of his limited capabilities makes a representative team.
A less than inspiational midfield is one of the main reasons for City's poor results this year. O' Grady is not a patch of former City midfielders like Barry or Feyne in my opinion. [/B]
But O'Grady isnt supposed to be a creative player like Barry or Frayne. Who is better Roy Keane or Paul Scoles? If Keane, why? He wont split the defence with one pass. If Scoles, why? He wont make the tackle to win the ball back in midfield. O'Grady isnt in the same class as Frayne, but Frayne also isnt in the same class as O'Grady!
Éanna
02/04/2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
But O'Grady isnt supposed to be a creative player like Barry or Frayne. Who is better Roy Keane or Paul Scoles?
Spot on- O'Grady is effective, not creative and he is the best player we have when it comes to fulfilling his role in the team.
Shelsman
02/04/2002, 1:10 PM
Originally posted by Éanna
Spot on- O'Grady is effective, not creative and he is the best player we have when it comes to fulfilling his role in the team.
He may be the best defensive midfielder that Cork City have but that does not mean that he is the best ( opr even one of the best ) defensive midfielder(s) in the League!
Shut up Shelsman, youre really starting to annoy me. You are just jealous of city because we have bout 10 times more fans than you! O'Grady is a very good player, probabley our best this season along with Ollie.
Troy.McClure
02/04/2002, 6:17 PM
Originally posted by Shelsman
He may be the best defensive midfielder that Cork City have but that does not mean that he is the best ( opr even one of the best ) defensive midfielder(s) in the League!
I have to say that Gannon(?) & Hunt are probably better, but I know that Hunt is English so he cant play (Im not too sure about Gannon).
Who is better than O'Grady in your opinion so Shelsman?
Gannon is past it, thats why he went to shels! he was released by stockport, possibly the worst performing team in England this season.
I never suggested O'Grady was even one of the best midfielders in the league but was commenting on his omission from the eL squad.
Hunt is ENGLISH i.e. NOT IRISH so cannot be selected for the squad just like other players such as Fenlon, Rutherford, Morrision, Russell, etc... etc....
O'Grady despite apparently being an attacking forward at Sligo is clearly a defensive midfielder in the Roy Keane always gives 100% mould.
The only reason i could see for O'Grady not being in the squad would be he wanted a rest or off on holidays.
If O'Grady was playing for a good team if would be clear how good he really been this season.
Shelsman
03/04/2002, 2:55 PM
Originally posted by pete
(1) I never suggested O'Grady was even one of the best midfielders in the league but was commenting on his omission from the eL squad.
(2) O'Grady despite apparently being an attacking forward at Sligo is clearly a defensive midfielder in the Roy Keane always gives 100% mould.
(3) If O'Grady was playing for a good team if would be clear how good he really been this season.
(1) If he's not one of the best midfielders in the League then he shouldn't be in the squad so why crib about his omission!
(2) Seeing as he was an attacking ( and goal scoring ) midfielder for Sligo, why have City made him into a defensive one when they already have so many unspectacular players!
(3) My point exactly.
Shelsman
03/04/2002, 3:03 PM
Originally posted by COLM
Shut up Shelsman, youre really starting to annoy me. You are just jealous of city because we have bout 10 times more fans than you! O'Grady is a very good player, probabley our best this season along with Ollie.
City's fans are a credit to the League ( bar one or two morons in the shed ). Yes, they have more fans that Shels.
The fact that O'Grady was the only decent player other than Cahill shows what a poor squad City had this season. Morley and especially Caulfield are past it. They were great players in their day especially Morley but City have failed to replace them.
All they had to do was find a good partner for Mulligan and ..... a decent team to create chances for them too!
Obviously the board weren't prepared to splash out on a few signings -which is fair enough if the money isn't there. Sooner City have a poor season rather than go to the wall again.
City have two good keepers and a good defence but as ye've been saying the creativity just isn't there ( and will be non-existent once Cahill leaves ).
Shelsman
03/04/2002, 3:10 PM
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
I have to say that Gannon(?) & Hunt are probably better, but I know that Hunt is English so he cant play (Im not too sure about Gannon).
Who is better than O'Grady in your opinion so Shelsman?
If it's a defensive midfielder you want then Caffrey is solid enough ( already in the squad -why have such a big one in the first place? ). For an all-rounder I'd go for Stephen Murphy. Gannon would be fine too. If you wanted to have an U21 or U23 squad then you could bring in O'Grady.
Originally posted by Shelsman
(1) If he's not one of the best midfielders in the League then he shouldn't be in the squad so why crib about his omission!
This is the last time i'm saying this. Many of the best midfielders in the league are not from the Republic!!!! NI i think are entering their own team so maybe fenlon, hutton etc... will be in that squad? Of the midfielders left in the league after you exclude any of those not born in the republic Conor O'Grady is worthy of a place in the squad.
Saying all this i'm making the assumption the manager saw to spread the players selected around as many teams as he could + some probably keen to have a break or go on holidays. Also i think citys poor season has lead to caffrey, osam & russell getting the node ahead of him.
BTW i thought russell either english or from the north?
p.s. shels have about 2 seasons left in their current format. Once the other dublin clubs (particularily rovers) get their act together & draw more sponsorship & fans shels will cease to be able to entice the better players as their wages won't be high enough. Merger with dub city might save youse though ;)
Footie2 (http://we-know-how-to-register.foot.ie/~footie2/2-4-2.htm)
According to that story the eL semi-pro selection will be playing (minus the bohs players off to spanish tournament) the following selections.
- league of wales.
- scottish 3rd divison :rolleyes:
- english conference
Does this mean fulltime pro players aren't supposed to play?
IMO its an insult to the league playing those scottish & welsh selections. english conference is bad enough but doubt there much difference between that & the english 3rd division.
Schumi
03/04/2002, 6:01 PM
Originally posted by pete
IMO its an insult to the league playing those scottish & welsh selections.
Agree but if we pi$$ on them, it might open the eyes of some people to the quality of the league.
Troy.McClure
03/04/2002, 6:39 PM
Ya but if we loose the negative press will be terrible. :(
I think that we would be far better off playing the Ireland u-21 or an 'A' team. Pleeeeeaaaaasssseeeee no-one make an "A-Team" joke, (coz I'd pitty the fool who would.) (D'oh!):o
Shelsman
04/04/2002, 8:19 AM
Fenlon and Russell are Dubs
Originally posted by Shelsman
City's fans are a credit to the League Cheers Shelsman, we like to think so!
Shelsman
09/04/2002, 3:56 PM
What the League should really do is have the Eircom First Division XI play these spanners and have the Premier Division XI play against selections from the English and Scottish 2nd Divisions ( at worst ) OK, include the Welsh and N Irish too if needs be.
The Eircom League Premier Division XI should play against some of the following:
Finnish League XI
Slovenian League XI
Hungarian League XI
Slovakian League XI
i.e teams from countries that are reasonably respectable internationally but not so strong on the European Club Level.
Maybe the representational games should be done away with because the Big Leagues ( Italy, Germany, England, Spain ) will never play us as they are successfull in European Club Football and so don't need to play representational games ( not to mention the fact of taking multi-million pound players off their clubs and risking them in meaningless games ).
Just naming the Premier Division XI should be enough -its only our inferiority complex about the league that forces us to seek out these games to 'prove how good we are'.
The best thing that has come of any of these representational games was when an Eircom League U21 selection played the Senior International Team. In this way both Mick McCarthy and, more importantly, Don Givens were able to see the best young talent playing in the country.
The final squad is:
Goalkeepers: Shay Kelly, Barry Ryan
Defenders: Eoin Heary, David Crawley, Clive Delaney, Paul McNally, Jody Lynch
Midfielders: Stuart Byrne, Alan Murphy, Derek O'Brien, Tony Gorman, Paul Osam, Billy Woods
Forwards: Tony Grant, Trevor Molloy, Vinny Arkins, Kevin McHugh, Jason Byrne
gheewhizz
27/04/2002, 12:30 AM
Great to see Stuart Byrne & Paul McNally been picked. Stephen O'Brien (Longford Town) probably would have been picked aswell, only for he is just gone on his holidays. Digger (as LTFC fans know him as) is one of the best keepers in eL. Only for him Town would have gone down, this season.
At least Digger was picked last season for the eL team.
Originally posted by joe
The final squad is:
Goalkeepers: Shay Kelly, Barry Ryan
Defenders: Eoin Heary, David Crawley, Clive Delaney, Paul McNally, Jody Lynch
Midfielders: Stuart Byrne, Alan Murphy, Derek O'Brien, Tony Gorman, Paul Osam, Billy Woods
Forwards: Tony Grant, Trevor Molloy, Vinny Arkins, Kevin McHugh, Jason Byrne
Except for the forwards a fairly sad looking squad in general at the end.
Can't blame players for pulling out of this mickey mouse competition anyway given we only 10 weeks away from start of new season already.
:rolleyes:
citylove
29/04/2002, 8:37 AM
Why isn't ollie cahill in the squad???
Éanna
30/04/2002, 12:36 PM
squad is average at best- they should be capable of winning the tournament with a full-strength squad, but I fear this will be another embarassment for the league.
Shelsman
30/04/2002, 10:28 PM
This is essentially a four nation tournament ( Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales ), a Ireland 'C' team if you will. This is not a eL XI vs Welsh Lge XI vs Scottish 3rd Div, vs Conference. This is why both Arkins and Gorman are in the 'Ireland' squad ( they both play in the North ). Presumably the other nations may pick players of the appropriate nationality from all of the Leagues.
Seems like a waste of time to me if they are bothering with the Conference and only the Scottish 3rd Div ( although I thought the 2nd Div was included too ).
When exactly is this tournament?
Ireland are playing on May 14th in Kettering and in Boston on May 16th and 18th, i think. i have the details around somewhere and i'll post them later.
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