Revenue to meet the FAI

[joeraki]

Next Tuesday is what I heard from someone that works in merrion sq. Seems the revenue are well ****ed off over what happened with Rovers and want to find out is if Rovers owed them 1.5m then how much might all the other clubs owe :confused:

If true it could be a very rough time for some clubs

[GavinZac]

its giving us money they should be. bastar ds

[Mr A]

Delighted to hear it if it's true. The more the clubs are forced to run themselves properly the better. Better to pay tax as it's meant to be paid rather than letting it lie and build up for years and then having a crisis.

[joeraki]

Delighted to hear it if it's true. The more the clubs are forced to run themselves properly the better. Better to pay tax as it's meant to be paid rather than letting it lie and build up for years and then having a crisis.

Sort of hope its true. Only sort of because I think Dundalk might be under the spotlight. Tax on wages was never a big thing in brown envelopes. I'd imagine theres a lot of clubs in the same boat.

Rovers thought they owed 900k to the revenue in the begining when it turned out to be 1.5m in the end. If any club gets hit with anything near either of those figures then god help them. In an ironic cruel twist it could be the clubs that have assits (own there stadium) that will get hit hardest. Rovers got away with it because they've nothing

[Billy Lord]

Rovers ``got away with it'' cos (thanks to the 400 Club) they held their hands up and sorted the club out. The fact is that the 400 Club wants Rovers run properly, and since we got involved in the day-to-days, the tax bills have been paid in full and on time every month, as is only right and proper.
Unlike under Branvard, where tax and all other bills/debts were ignored, whose directors should be met with the full rigours of the law for what they did at Shamrock Rovers.

[pete]

I wonder will other sports also be investigated?

GAA & "expenses" anyone?

:eek:

[A face]

Unlike under Branvard, where tax and all other bills/debts were ignored, whose directors should be met with the full rigours of the law for what they did at Shamrock Rovers.

The full rigours of the law ..... ahhhh .... are you serious ??? .... can you see that happening ??

not do you want it to happen, just if it will happen

[higgins]

Sure what will the problem be?

We have rovers who owe them 1.5million and they are not going to pay it. Are you saying that if others owe them 1.5million they will be treated different?

Whats the diffence!!

Shouldnt we all be allowed to play by rovers rules and clear all or debts and start fresh...

If you apply the logic of Billy Lord its not the fans of any of the clubs who caused the debts its the people running the clubs. No club should face any form of punishment. Seing as Rovers are at it why dont we all clear everything.

[pete]

Kinda rich a shel$ fan pointing fingers at Rovers. He who casts the first stone 'n all.

[higgins]

What do you mean Pete?
Please explain what you are talking about!!!

Or is this just 1 more idiotic post on the whole shels tax crap?

And please feel free to add in some "facts" in your next post. Idle gossip is for old women.

[Slash/ED]

And please feel free to add in some "facts" in your next post

Good luck waiting for those, you'll see a Pats cup win sooner....

[Sam Savic]

FACT.
Shels players got paid in cash this season. One of them was even part paid in coin. FACT.
The Revenue Commissioners will be examining all clubs accounts, except obviously, Derry City.
The tax affairs of SRFC are now fully up to date.

[Slash/ED]

If a Rovers fan with 3 posts on the forum says it, you can take it to the bank.

FACT.

[pete]

What do you mean Pete?
Please explain what you are talking about!!!

Or is this just 1 more idiotic post on the whole shels tax crap?


I'm saying that no club can take the high moral ground on tax issues. Shel$ do not issue tickets fot their home league games so how could anyone know 100% they be declaring accurate revenue figures.

If an eL club is willing to go into Examinership every season then i suppose they could take their chances on clearing tax bills.

If Uefa Licencing is actually implemented it should prevent dodgy accounting practices...?

[Sam Savic]

Slash/ED,
Two friends of mine play for Shels. One of them was part paid in coin this season. I'm just making the point because there are probably other clubs doing likewise - paying players from gate receipts.
At least now, Rovers is being run properly. All gate receipts are being accounted for with tickets issued to each punter. All tax is paid on a monthly basis and on time etc.

[higgins]

Sam !!!

What do you mean Rovers tax issues are up to date :) Of F**KING course they are !!! You just got away without paying a bill of 1.5million wasnt it?!!!

We could all be up to date if we cleared our debts unfairly...

Also you are allowed pay people in coins you know. What does it prove what way a person gets their wages? If your trying to get at the fact shels are not loaded then just say it. In fact ring Ollie and he will tell you the exact same thing. Shels are no more well off then any other club and probably do have bigger debts due to their assets.

Do your two 'mates' like playing for shels by the way?

and Pete
What has tickets got to do with tax?
Shels know exactly how many people pay into their home games both children and adults. Do you actually have a point to make or are you just posting crap for the sake of it?

I club A give tickets and club B dont why would the figure they give the tax office be any different? Just because you give tickets doenst mean jack sh!t.

What are you talking about?

[Anto McC]

Shel$ do not issue tickets fot their home league games so how could anyone know 100% they be declaring accurate revenue figures.

Why don't you ring the tax office and remind them Pete and we'll see what happens

[patsh]

Oooohhh there is nothing that gets the few $h€l$ fans backs up quite like pointing out the shadier and more questionable dealings of the criminal......

I'm proposing that EVERYBODY who pays cash into Tolka Park DEMANDS a receipt from now on. As Honest Oily would obviously be only too happy to oblige all us paying customers to show us that everything is totally honest and above board, there shouldn't be a problem. (of course receipts are called tickets by other clubs)

Money goes into the biscuit tin, receipt comes out of the biscuit tin........simple.....:D

[Anto McC]

Oooohhh there is nothing that gets the few $h€l$ fans backs up quite like pointing out the shadier and more questionable dealings of the criminal......

I'm proposing that EVERYBODY who pays cash into Tolka Park DEMANDS a receipt from now on. As Honest Oily would obviously be only too happy to oblige all us paying customers to show us that everything is totally honest and above board, there shouldn't be a problem. (of course receipts are called tickets by other clubs)

Money goes into the biscuit tin, receipt comes out of the biscuit tin........simple.....:D

That's no problem you do that,by all means,you are intitled to a recipt ;)

[GavinZac]

That's no problem you do that,by all means,you are intitled to a recipt ;)

yeah, d2 red, but yer man's wrist will be sore from writing on post-its.

[Anto McC]

yeah, d2 red, but yer man's wrist will be sore from writing on post-its.

:D :D

You'll soon get tired of refering to me as D2 Red

[Slash/ED]

:D :D

You'll soon get tired of refering to me as D2 Red

No I can see it running and running...

[Macy]

I don't think any club fans would be confident of a full revenue audit, bar Rovers who've obviously just had one.

Ticket issue is neither here nor there - it's the PAYE that'll be the problem for clubs.

Shels fans are seriously deluded if they think that they'd be in the clear anymore or less than any other club.

How many clubs issue payslips and P60's?

[Mr_T]

I don't think any club fans would be confident of a full revenue audit, bar Rovers who've obviously just had one.

Ticket issue is neither here nor there - it's the PAYE that'll be the problem for clubs.

Shels fans are seriously deluded if they think that they'd be in the clear anymore or less than any other club.

How many clubs issue payslips and P60's?

Harps do. Roll on the audit. We've been paying PAYE on amonthly basis and in regular contact with revenue for almost 4 years now, the sooner the vast majority of other clubs are brought down to the same level playing field the better. Please God let this be true.

[WeAreRovers]

Shouldnt we all be allowed to play by rovers rules and clear all or debts and start fresh...



Higgins, please please go and look up 'examinership' in a dictionary. Examinership was a massive gamble - we could have gone out of business last Friday - but it was a gamble we had to take. Feel free to do the same at Shels and see how you get on. But please stop talking through your hat about our situation.

KOH

[Roverstillidie]

[QUOTE=higgins]Sure what will the problem be?



Shouldnt we all be allowed to play by rovers rules and clear all or debts and start fresh...
[QUOTE]

you are.

its all perfectly legal and abouve board. many companies do it.

and i bet a lot of chairmen are watching with interest.....

[joeraki]

The revenue have issues with 16 clubs

5 of those clubs more serious than the rest. Rovers where top of that list up to last Friday, but not by a long shot from 2nd worst club :eek:

Thats all I heard from today

[hoops1]

the difference is that Rovers havent a pot to **** in
the other clubs have assets ie there grounds
so if the taxman wants to play hardball
he can find ways of making them clubs pay
all he could do with Rovers was put them out of Business

[Éanna]

the difference is that Rovers havent a pot to **** in
the other clubs have assets ie there grounds
so if the taxman wants to play hardball
he can find ways of making them clubs pay
all he could do with Rovers was put them out of Business
not every club has assets- we don't.

[chippie0001]

not every club has assets- we don't.

To the best of my knowledge most clubs don't have many assets. Few own their grounds outright and some have long term leases. Many like Cork, Waterford etc just rent. I honestly don't believe the revenue will put clubs out of business, although I do think they will come down hard. The sooner the better they do as well as its common knowledge that clubs around the league break the law week in week out.

[pete]

Its surprising the Revenue Commissioners have issues with eL club tax bills as i would ahve expected them to make clubs produce a tax clearance cert before accepting any Capital Grants?

:confused:

[Mr A]

I take it this issue has turned out to be more scare-mongering than anything else, pity.......

[Billy Lord]

The big issue with the revenue is the manner in which players are paid. Most clubs agree a net salary, made up of wages swelled by allowances/expenses that are beyond dubious.
I'd love to see an audit of all contracts, comparing the copies in players, clubs and EL hands. It would make for hilarious reading.

[higgins]

It should not matter how big your debts are really..

Clubs all over Europe are in debt by many mnay million more then any EL club is. Id say they have a bigger problem with clubs who no longer wish to pay their debts.

[joeraki]

It should not matter how big your debts are really..

Clubs all over Europe are in debt by many mnay million more then any EL club is. Id say they have a bigger problem with clubs who no longer wish to pay their debts.


Not sure if its got through to your brain. But those clubs in dept of millions also generate millions. When EL clubs get into serious dept theres really f all options open to them to get out of it. The holy grail of CL group stages seems to be some clubs "fix it" answer. A quality plan :D

[higgins]

Joeraki..

Any business is entitled to get themselves into debt. you go to the bank with a business plan and the bank manager makes a decision on you getting money or not.

There is a limit to how much debt you are allowed get yourself into before banks and other credtors will start to say your not good for it.

Take Shels for example! They will get bigger loans then Athlone due to them having more assists and bigger potential to pay of those debts.

I really dont see the problem of running a business that has debts?

[pete]

I really dont see the problem of running a business that has debts?

Borrowing to pay players wages is always a bad idea. Borrowing for capital projects such as a stadium is good business.

[Macy]

I really dont see the problem of running a business that has debts?
There isn't - it depends on what the debts are for. If the expenses are going to be found to be evasion, then clubs that are apparently okay are going to fooked.