England v Rep of Ireland 1949

[Ash]

Just got sent this deadly movie file of England v Rep of Ireland in 1949

http://www.toffeeandtayto.com/irelandvengland1949.WMV

[Donal81]

Good stuff, thanks for that.

[Poor Student]

"Tripped in the forbidden area". Class. :D

[belfastwhite]

Great footage, they had proper balls and boots to match in them days.

[Dawn_Run]

Excellent stuff - First ever home defeat, gowan the lads!! Would Lawton and Mathews have really made that much of a difference?? ;)

[gimbly]

Brilliant to have mate...cheers

anyone know how i can save this to my putor??

cheers

[Junior]

Brilliant to have mate...cheers

anyone know how i can save this to my putor??

cheers

right click on the link, save as.........

[Éanna]

"Tripped in the forbidden area". Class. :D
:D :D

[Metrostars]

"11 men from Eire"

[pineapple stu]

Excellent stuff - First ever home defeat, gowan the lads!!
Technically, England's first home defeat was in 1877, when they lost 3-1 to Scotland in Kennington Oval. They also lost 1-0 to Wales in Blackburn in 1881 and 6-1 to Scotland in Kennington the same year (before beating us 13-0 in Belfast...) The "first home defeat by an overseas team" was kind of a fob for the English (so they could talk about how long they'd been unbeaten) and the Irish (so we could talk about ending that record! :) ) The English often don't count the defeat in the same way they don't count the Scotland results as the Irish players were mostly English-based anyway, which is why they talk about Hungary being the first overseas team to beat England in England. In fact, Ireland won 2-0 in Middlesborough in 1914!

[pineapple stu]

Quality stuff actually - shame about the camera work! - definitely one to keep! Did you see yer man sliding in feet up on the keeper after we'd been given the penalty?! :eek: :)

[CollegeTillIDie]

Technically, England's first home defeat was in 1877, when they lost 3-1 to Scotland in Kennington Oval. They also lost 1-0 to Wales in Blackburn in 1881 and 6-1 to Scotland in Kennington the same year (before beating us 13-0 in Belfast...) The "first home defeat by an overseas team" was kind of a fob for the English (so they could talk about how long they'd been unbeaten) and the Irish (so we could talk about ending that record! :) ) The English often don't count the defeat in the same way they don't count the Scotland results as the Irish players were mostly English-based anyway, which is why they talk about Hungary being the first overseas team to beat England in England. In fact, Ireland won 2-0 in Middlesborough in 1914!

Yes and Ireland won the so-called Home Championship in 1914 too.
70 years later when Northern Ireland had the temerity to win it twice in 4 years ... it was scrapped!

[Baker]

Technically, England's first home defeat was in 1877, when they lost 3-1 to Scotland in Kennington Oval. They also lost 1-0 to Wales in Blackburn in 1881 and 6-1 to Scotland in Kennington the same year (before beating us 13-0 in Belfast...) The "first home defeat by an overseas team" was kind of a fob for the English (so they could talk about how long they'd been unbeaten) and the Irish (so we could talk about ending that record! :) ) The English often don't count the defeat in the same way they don't count the Scotland results as the Irish players were mostly English-based anyway, which is why they talk about Hungary being the first overseas team to beat England in England. In fact, Ireland won 2-0 in Middlesborough in 1914!

Dont the English press though normally go on about the Hungary match as being 'The first defeat to an overseas team at Wembley', always thought that was a bit of a cop out as it implies that they were unbeaten at home until then.

[Feech]

Just got sent this deadly movie file of England v Rep of Ireland in 1949

http://www.toffeeandtayto.com/irelandvengland1949.WMV

Nice one Ash, thanks!

[brendy_éire]

Dont the English press though normally go on about the Hungary match as being 'The first defeat to an overseas team at Wembley', always thought that was a bit of a cop out as it implies that they were unbeaten at home until then.

In a competitive match, perhaps?

[lopez]

Great link Ash. Good to see the Irish support was noisy that day too. :)

[Neish]

Great stuff Cheers Ash

[Qwerty]

Great clip! surprised by the use of the word 'foreign' in 1949.

[gypsydownunder]

Con Martin.

The last father and son duo to play for Ireland?

[Donal81]

Alan Kelly and Alan Kelly? Ronnie Whelan and Ronnie Whelan?

[gypsydownunder]

D'oh.
Mental block.

So did Kelly or Whelan play more recently?

[Baker]

D'oh.
Mental block.

So did Kelly or Whelan play more recently?


Alan Kelly was playing at least up until the first Turkey match in the playoff for Euro 2000. Ronnie Whelan retired around 1995?

[Dawn_Run]

Alan Kelly was playing at least up until the first Turkey match in the playoff for Euro 2000.

Aye he played that day and got injured.

[pineapple stu]

Kelly retired after the 2002 World Cup - he played in Holland and Portugal in the qualifiers.

Whelan's last game I think was Austria at home?

[pineapple stu]

In a competitive match, perhaps?
Hungary was only a friendly though. England didn't play a competitive match until the 1950 World Cup, and didn't play a competitive qualifier against a continental team until the end of 1956 (the Home Nations championship was also their World Cup qualifers)