Shamrock Rovers V Dundalk (Presidents cup)

[Kiki Balboa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4Iz3MYs7wY&t=125s&ab_channel=ShamrockRove rsTV

2 minutes in, 100% a red.

He jumps in weird, but is still in control of the tackle and is still far enough away from Burke. As in, its jump not towards Burke, but to side of him, and is not connecting with him in anyway. No feet are in the air when conecting with the ball. Burke gets up straight away, there was no danger to Burke. Its a yellow at most, only looks bad because of the weird jump.

In the same videos, the ref clearly pulls out a yellow. Only turns into a red because of the Rovers players reactions. You can say what you want about the tackle, but if the Rover players didnt react that way, no way he was getting a red.

[pineapple stu]

Not sure how he can have any complaints there. Clear red for me. You simply can't lunge towards someone with both feet off the ground from behind. Getting the ball or not actually injuring Burke is irrelevant; that's just a dangerous tackle.

[DCWA]

Kiki Balboa;2068442

In the same videos, the ref clearly pulls out a yellow. Only turns into a red because of the Rovers players reactions. You can say what you want about the tackle, but if the Rover players didnt react that way, no way he was getting a red.

You can’t state with any kind of certainty (as you have tried to do) that he only gets a red because of Rovers players reactions, there are countless reasons he could have yellow in his hand, and may simply have went for the wrong card. (See Burnley - Arsenal last week when ref was rescinding the red issued to Pieters but pulled out the yellow, it is hardly uncommon).

From the angle in the highlights provided you can certainly see why that is a red card, in fact there are multiple juatifications for it being red. It is off the ground, two footed and from behind, 3 textbook reasons for issuing a red card.

I would have to see it again and would like to see proper replays of it but the criticism of the ref on that red seems very ott.

[pineapple stu]

You can’t state with any kind of certainty (as you have tried to do) that he only gets a red because of Rovers players reactions
Agree with that. An obvious alternative is that the ref had one view of the tackle and called it a yellow, but the linesman overruled him and told him it was a clear red.

[oriel]

100% red after watching that, changed my view from the angle I saw, and you have to give the ref 10/10 for spotting it live. Also thought it was a yellow first initially that he got, then it changed to a red after, but it was a straight red and correct decision.

[Sonny]

Is Farrugia any good? Seemed to be a lot of hype when he was at UCD, but hasnt seem to grab a consistant starting place.

Mandriou/Burke were both probably Rovers worst players yesterday. Burkes shooting was woeful, summed up by his penalty.



Farrugia has been struggling with injuries since signing, but I think he also suffers a bit because he's an out and out winger in a system he doesn't naturally fit into. He's been effectively learning the wing back role on the job when he has played, and I think he's actually done very well defensively for the most part. He has the physicality and raw ability to go a very long way in his career, but I think there are question marks around his concentration levels and his football IQ. He's at his best when he's playing off the cuff, but his decision making lets him down at times and he seems to lose focus in games.

Think you're being harsh on Mandroiu there tbh. He was quiet enough but showed some decent touches at times in the first half. I wouldn't really be expecting much more from a young lad who barely played last season and is finding his feet in a new team.

And yeah based on that angle there can be no complaints about the red. Braindead lunge.

[Nesta99]

Not sure how he can have any complaints there. Clear red for me. You simply can't lunge towards someone with both feet off the ground from behind. Getting the ball or not actually injuring Burke is irrelevant; that's just a dangerous tackle.

That angle paints a different picture from the ganrty/WatchLoI coverage. Its very clear why the ref opted for a red card and tough to argue against - there are a few mitigating factors against a red but a bit clutching at straws when ye see that angl. I think the best way to sort out any grey area is to question what I'd think if that tackle had been put in against a Dundalk player and my conlusion would be RED - he nearly took his leg off! Naw if thats more like what the ref saw when on the spot ye cant argue much.

[Calcio Jack]

That angle paints a different picture from the ganrty/WatchLoI coverage. Its very clear why the ref opted for a red card and tough to argue against - there are a few mitigating factors against a red but a bit clutching at straws when ye see that angl. I think the best way to sort out any grey area is to question what I'd think if that tackle had been put in against a Dundalk player and my conlusion would be RED - he nearly took his leg off! Naw if thats more like what the ref saw when on the spot ye cant argue much.

That angle also explains why McCann and Joey O’B got so animated-

[mcgonigle]

Must just be me so, no matter how many times I watch it I think it's a great tackle.

He lunges, but not towards the player so how is it dangerous? He could never have caught Burke from that angle. The lunge is to reach the ball, he gets all of the ball and non of the man.

[sbgawa]

Would have been a great tackle but it was late.....20 years too late ;)

[mcgonigle]

Would have been a great tackle but it was late.....20 years too late ;)

20 years ago you could lunge at the player and it was a great tackle. That's not a lunge in the direction of the player. Players make those lunging movements all the time in games to block shots and crosses.

Anyway done to death now, there'll be a whole new set of wtf moments to discuss this time next week.

[pineapple stu]

He lunges, but not towards the player so how is it dangerous? He could never have caught Burke from that angle. The lunge is to reach the ball, he gets all of the ball and non of the man.
This is just bizarre tbh.

He could never have caught the guy who was on the ball? The two are, by definition, really close together, so of course he could have got the player.

The point is that a tackle which is a two-footed, off-the-ground lunge from a player's blindside has a good chance of causing a nasty injury, and it doesn't matter if you get the ball or not, it's a red card. It's a tackle which was being considered a bit excessive in the 70s tbh. 20 years ago, that would have been a red card just as well - you may recall the 98 World Cup where there were a rash of red cards as FIFA clamped down on the tackle from behind.

[oriel]

20 years ago you could lunge at the player and it was a great tackle. That's not a lunge in the direction of the player. Players make those lunging movements all the time in games to block shots and crosses.

Anyway done to death now, there'll be a whole new set of wtf moments to discuss this time next week.

McG, to be fair when i saw it live and from the angle, i thought, mmm ok a bit late but thats a yellow. Only when I saw the other angle, Rovers tv I changed, and it was not a bit late, it was downright dangerous, and a lunge, and you just cannot do that. Players have even been sent off for tackles like this when they miss the ball, as its deemed to be dangerous. Sonni needs to learn from it and move on.

Final comment, I hope refs will be consistent on this, as Duffy was on the end of a good few of these last year from other teams.

[Nesta99]

That angle also explains why McCann and Joey O’B got so animated-

O'Brien (more than McCann) and Bradley should be full time cartoon characters as they are always flipping animated! It doesnt take much to wind them up and they call foul on everything ala John Caulfield, Burke has grown away from that and it seems like you could kick Finn repeatedly in the head and he just cant be wound up!

[Straightstory]

Big disappointments were Mandroiu for Rovers and Junior for Dundalk. (Although early days, obviously)

[Bunny Kelly]

Big disappointments were Mandroiu for Rovers and Junior for Dundalk. (Although early days, obviously)


Early days but they would be 2 players I'd have concerns about them stepping up to this level. Both were really good for about half a season 18 months ago & are now expected to perform for a team at a higher level than they have previously. I'm not saying they can't step up but I'm not convinced either will be starting in their respective team by the end of the season

[Calcio Jack]

O'Brien (more than McCann) and Bradley should be full time cartoon characters as they are always flipping animated! It doesnt take much to wind them up and they call foul on everything ala John Caulfield, Burke has grown away from that and it seems like you could kick Finn repeatedly in the head and he just cant be wound up!

Have a look at Chris Shields and his reaction to O’Brien ( or indeed his never ending moaning diving in every game he plays) we all have those types playing for us.... for older viewers I think the all time biggest moaner I’ve ever seen was Pat Byrne but he was also only second to to Jack Byrne as the best midfielder I’ve ever seen in over 50 years of watching LOI

[ontheotherhand]

O'Brien (more than McCann) and Bradley should be full time cartoon characters as they are always flipping animated! It doesnt take much to wind them up and they call foul on everything ala John Caulfield, Burke has grown away from that and it seems like you could kick Finn repeatedly in the head and he just cant be wound up!

Sure Dundalk have been like that for the best part of ten years. O'Donnell was particularly bad. Have to laugh when I see comments about Rovers "gamesmanship" engineering the red. The Rovers players and manager were, in their eyes and the eyes of many, reacting to a ridiculously over the top tackle from their main league rival that could have hurt their best attacker in essentially a preseason friendly....I was off my seat on the couch myself when he launched into the air. And from the refs angle sonni put his head very close to McCann afterwards just for good measure. If anything that probably confirmed the red for him.

That said, the tackle was acrobatic and I think he did get the ball. I'd love if tackles like that were allowed. Its a skill. It also wasn't the first heavy challenge from Dundalk though. It wasn't even the first heavy challenge on Burke in that 5 second period. Finn was getting consistently hit late as well and I thought Cleary was heading towards a red himself. I also noticed it was our "softer" players coming in for attention so I'm delighted Joey and McCann got involved when it boiled over.

Great game up until the red. Training exercise from there and Dundalk defended well. I was nervous about getting hit on the break but without Duffy Dundalk didn't seem to be trying to do that much. When it's straight to penos it removes a bit of that desire to take a risk I suppose. I'd be delighted with abidi and sonni as a dundalk fan. They look like they will pick up points for you. Abidi looks really good. And entertaining. Sonni could end up top scorer....For us, the jury is definitely out on mandriou. Few nice touches but got himself a silly card and didn't work hard enough....the expected script. McCann looked ok if a bit cumbersome. Gannon was good. Scales isn't a wingback but his goal was class. Gaffney started well and faded. That won't be our best 11 for me and we badly missed ONeill and Kavanagh..

So good to have it back and have something to moan about.

[Nesta99]

Ah lads, that was too easy! But fair play, there was no denying the mouth types and Id never claim that Dundalk are a team of total sportsmanship and virtue. Not half as much fun as Cork fans and the sporting efforts to not tackling at all.

I'm not sure how to take the Abibi is entertaining comment!? The last thing I want is an 'entertaining' keeper - dull and effective will do nicely!!

While players need to be protected by good referring I too enjoyed the more physical side to game in the past. The contact aspect of the game has been diluted almost by accident as dealing with players from S America and probably Spain/Portugal mainly, for exaggerating every contact, made games unwatchable. Calibre of refs too (if only you could clone Collina) Seems it was easier to redefine what was 'dangerous' than to penalise some of the best paid actors in the world in a consistent manner. The more popular players are those that get on with things, the type that ye know are hurt when they stay down (as frustrating as it can be Im not really talking about drawing a foul or tactical fouls). The way Burke didnt roll around and maintained a calmness that others didnt shows how much he has matured, especially playing Dundalk!

[ontheotherhand]

Ah lads, that was too easy! But fair play, there was no denying the mouth types and Id never claim that Dundalk are a team of total sportsmanship and virtue. Not half as much fun as Cork fans and the sporting efforts to not tackling at all.

I'm not sure how to take the Abibi is entertaining comment!? The last thing I want is an 'entertaining' keeper - dull and effective will do nicely!!

While players need to be protected by good referring I too enjoyed the more physical side to game in the past. The contact aspect of the game has been diluted almost by accident as dealing with players from S America and probably Spain/Portugal mainly, for exaggerating every contact, made games unwatchable. Calibre of refs too (if only you could clone Collina) Seems it was easier to redefine what was 'dangerous' than to penalise some of the best paid actors in the world in a consistent manner. The more popular players are those that get on with things, the type that ye know are hurt when they stay down (as frustrating as it can be Im not really talking about drawing a foul or tactical fouls). The way Burke didnt roll around and maintained a calmness that others didnt shows how much he has matured, especially playing Dundalk!

Caught me pre coffee there. Dundalk are obviously very good sportsmen. Aren't you still celebrating your run of no cards in Europe? ;)

On Abibi I meant he is passionate. Ran off to celebrate the win like it was a CL final. Has that little bit of madness you want to see. Sign of a good keeper.

Agree on Burke, he's come along way from swinging the boot and getting needless reds. Great to see him bounce back up. Hopefully mandriou can develop in the same way. Bradley's good with that type of player. Possibly because he was a bit like that himself!

[Nesta99]

Not one free in a EL game!! See Cork fans thats how to do it (though when ye dont get near the ball for most of the game....).

Pre-season or not it was a good shoot-out for Abibi and possibly put in a good bit of prep work. He seems a very calm and considered lad in interviews he has done, not that that says too much when he crosses the whitewash. We have to see still how the new signings will be but the age profile of the squad has turned a corner and will be less open to the aging former champions tag.

[ToberonaTornado]

Caught me pre coffee there. Dundalk are obviously very good sportsmen. Aren't you still celebrating your run of no cards in Europe? ;)

On Abibi I meant he is passionate. Ran off to celebrate the win like it was a CL final. Has that little bit of madness you want to see. Sign of a good keeper.

Agree on Burke, he's come along way from swinging the boot and getting needless reds. Great to see him bounce back up. Hopefully mandriou can develop in the same way. Bradley's good with that type of player. Possibly because he was a bit like that himself!

OR prob off celebrating with his GK coach who told him pre-match which way to go for the pennos? The guy is only 24 and is as enthusiastic as hell.Hopefully he works out ok for us.

Dundalk seemed sure of themselves being able to sit in for most of the game and were able to soak up a lot of pressure and break up the field when able.Continued when in 10 man man mode.

Down to ten -

For the s/o - never 1 imo
Sonni is never trying to hurt anyone.Foul for sure,but McCann runs half the field to complain to the ref(he prob never seen it) and the ref(McGraith) decides to not only send him off,but also issues yellow cards to anyone standing in his eyesight!! Shocking imo.

[Nesta99]

I dont agree on it being shocking referring TT! The tackle is debatably dangerous, but these days its giving a ref an opportunity to flash a card. There was an edge to the game which is usually good but it was looking like it could boil over and it a preseason friendly. I was thinking that the ref was losing any control at all but those few yellows seemed to take the heat out of things. Sonni is an assured and confident chap going by post match interviews, regardless of what he or anyone thinks, players need to get to know the refs that ye can push of bully from a yellow to red card. In this case least said soonest mended, he doesnt want to develop a rep!!

[pineapple stu]

For the s/o - never 1 imo
Sonni is never trying to hurt anyone.
This isn't relevant.

He could very easily have caused a bad injury lunging in two-footed and studs up like that, whether he meant to or not.

[ToberonaTornado]

This isn't relevant.

He could very easily have caused a bad injury lunging in two-footed and studs up like that, whether he meant to or not.


I dont agree on it being shocking referring TT! The tackle is debatably dangerous, but these days its giving a ref an opportunity to flash a card. There was an edge to the game which is usually good but it was looking like it could boil over and it a preseason friendly. I was thinking that the ref was losing any control at all but those few yellows seemed to take the heat out of things. Sonni is an assured and confident chap going by post match interviews, regardless of what he or anyone thinks, players need to get to know the refs that ye can push of bully from a yellow to red card. In this case least said soonest mended, he doesnt want to develop a rep!!

it is relevant i reckon.
i think McGraith was going to give a yellow but was "influenced" to give a red by players surrounding him(sonni) The McCann 50 yard sprint in record time to get involved was proof. Shams have previous on this.

[pineapple stu]

It really isn't relevant.

A tackle like that has a much higher-than-average chance of causing a bad injury. That's why it's outlawed, even if you miss the player or get the ball. It's a very dangerous tackle, and tackles like it ended careers until a proper clampdown started in the 70s. The FIFA rules (https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/ifab-laws-of-the-game-2020-21.pdf?cloudid=d6g1medsi8jrrd3e4imp) are quite clear on it -


Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play

Serious foul play is a red card. Getting the ball or not meaning to hurt anyone don't come into it.

[Asterix]

it is relevant i reckon.
i think McGraith was going to give a yellow but was "influenced" to give a red by players surrounding him(sonni) The McCann 50 yard sprint in record time to get involved was proof. Shams have previous on this.

So do Dundalk, sure Boyle is the first player to sprint to the ref.

[sadloserkid]

Anybody who goes in with both feet off the ground can't pretend that there's zero intention to hurt - they've effectively given up any real control of what happens next, especially at speed.

[ToberonaTornado]

McGraith(ref) is averaging 6 yellows a game since he stepped up to the Prem.He Must have been a nightmare in the 1st.
Appreciate all the telling me i'm wrong comeback :D keep well everyone

[pineapple stu]

Well, it's FIFA who are telling you you're wrong.

But maybe you know better than them. I dunno.

[placid casual]

Toberona, it seems you are seeking to step into the mantle of argumentative dundalk fan previously made his own by the much missed Ezekial (RIP Colm).
A bit of ways to go I'd think, but you have the whole season to hone your skills.

This game was a "friendly" and I think we can all agree the important stuff starts on Friday.

[Nesta99]

it is relevant i reckon.
i think McGraith was going to give a yellow but was "influenced" to give a red by players surrounding him(sonni) The McCann 50 yard sprint in record time to get involved was proof. Shams have previous on this.

That may well have been the case but I think it was foolish of the player to pass comment post match. I dont want a player who could be a key man to be a marked man already among the refs cabal. Now if he said something like he would have to adjust to how the game is referreed in LoI he was making his point in questioning the decision while almost sounding contrite (irrespective of any debate surrounding the tackle, the card or player reactions).

[ontheotherhand]

it is relevant i reckon.
i think McGraith was going to give a yellow but was "influenced" to give a red by players surrounding him(sonni) The McCann 50 yard sprint in record time to get involved was proof. Shams have previous on this.

We learned it from the most successful team in the league over the past decade.

Again, I'd say it was more Sonni moving his head towards McCann that influenced things afterwards if the ref hadn't already made up his mind to red card him for the red card offense. Given that Bradley and McCann also picked up cards, I don't think the ref was feeling particularly biased towards Rovers at the time.

Still delighted McCann made the sprint. Already looking out for his new teammates. A dangerous tackle on your main man in preseason is exactly the right reason to get involved like that. I don't think Sonni was aiming to hurt him but it doesn't sound great does it? You'd be up in arms if Joey had gone in like that against McEleney before the season kicked off.

And on the keeper, it was a compliment. He looks good. If he keeps it up he might be a good replacement for Mannus when we need one.

[Nesta99]

We learned it from the most successful team in the league over the past decade.

Again, I'd say it was more Sonni moving his head towards McCann that influenced things afterwards if the ref hadn't already made up his mind to red card him for the red card offense. Given that Bradley and McCann also picked up cards, I don't think the ref was feeling particularly biased towards Rovers at the time.

Still delighted McCann made the sprint. Already looking out for his new teammates. A dangerous tackle on your main man in preseason is exactly the right reason to get involved like that. I don't think Sonni was aiming to hurt him but it doesn't sound great does it? You'd be up in arms if Joey had gone in like that against McEleney before the season kicked off.

And on the keeper, it was a compliment. He looks good. If he keeps it up he might be a good replacement for Mannus when we need one.

And we learned t from playing in Europe! Im all for backing up teammates, players charging at each other even, but I hate to see the ref surrounded often in a deliberately intimidating manner (as opposed to a player pleading his case) regardless of who it is. I also hate when managers and players flash the imaginary cards. I think its a carding offense for players to do it not sure about those in the dugout but it should include them and be enforced. Seems to me that the players that get most outraged are often the the culprits themselves.

As for Abibi being a good replacement for Mannus? Nah Bohs are the go to rivals for Rovers to raid players in their prime and Talbot fits the bill - yup he is is Bohs through and through but throw enough kitchen sinks at him and ye never know.

[ontheotherhand]

I don't like players surrounding the ref either but I didn't feel like that had happened at the time. To be honest I was a bit surprised at the calls of gamesmanship from Rovers so I've watched it back multiple times today. First McEleney takes out Hoare just inside the Rovers half. It's a fair challenge with his hip/shoulder but it knocks Hoare to the ground just after he plays a clever back-heel to set Burke off on his way. Stanton busts a gut to catch Burke and tries to take his ankles but misses. Never a hope of him getting the ball and it's a free but the ref plays advantage until Sonni jumps up in the air with two feet and comes in from behind and to the side of Burke with a beautiful but ultimately dangerous and illegal tackle. Then a bit of handbags breaks out between the two sets of players. The ref doesn't get much attention at all outside of 3 players initially.

In order: McCann went for Sonni, Mandriou went to break that up and Boyle went to the ref. After Boyle says his bit, two Rovers players go to the ref. The rest were either breaking up scuffles or involved in them (Joey and Shields was great). Funnily enough guess who the two who went straight to the ref were? Gannon and Hoare. Must have picked up a few bad habits before they arrived in Tallaght. Gannon pulled back pretty quickly but actually made things look bad after Hoban pushes into him and he knocks Hoare into the ref. Finn went over a bit after that but he's captain and that's fairly standard.

All in all there was really very little in the refs face from either team. Lopes and McCann have a quick word after things die down but he's never surrounded by Rovers players at all. Hoare and Gannon get the closest to it but only for a second. Much more going on between the players until he shows the red to Sonni at which point Cleary and a few others do surround him but that always happens after a red. They weren't right up in his face.

I'm not saying you are accusing Rovers of gamesmanship Nesta but a few are and a quick rewatch of the recording on WatchLOI is all they need to put that to bed. I'd take screenshots but I feel like I've talked this to death at this point. Friday can't come quick enough.

[Nesta99]

Tbh I meant more in general than this particular incident. At games Id be as quick as anyone to have a go at a linesman, ref, call foul, penos even when knowing that its marginal/near the box. But to claim a moral high ground on gamesmanship is too partial, every team is at it, its not new - Raf Cretaro was a master at fooling a ref and winding opposition players up and I hated him but In a wish he was with my club way and the list is endless. Like a broken record I still jest at CityRebel's (wherever he is) tendency to be critical of a teams physicality yet Cork had Mark O'Sullivan in the team and were coached by a chap who reluctantly played players if they wouldnt run through walls. It gets a bit punch and judy in a school yard when fans start pointing fingers with 'you started it'.

Of course part of being a football fan is rivalry and disagreement and the debate contentious incidents cause. VAR would influence a lot of the different sorts of reaction to Sonni's tackle last weekend. Though while I get the reasons for VAR, that there are often millions at stake if a ref fooks up, the feelings after a Thierry Henry handball, maybe how errors can contribute to crowd trouble and even lives threatened at the extreme end of things. But when VAR eventually arrives here I also think or fear we will lose something as fans, the rollercoaster effect, tbh not sure I can put my finger on it as I do enjoy rugby also and the TMO has enhanced the game I think, the anticipation of waiting for a decision, while also occasionally being gobsmacked by a decision. I dont know if it would have the same positive effect on football here, by the time it arrives Finn Harps will be in Stranrolar and most of the issues from VAR elsewhere ironed out, then again it is LoI and it will probably never fail to leave us speechless. Bit of a VAR tangent there:eek:.

[ontheotherhand]

Tbh I meant more in general than this particular incident. At games Id be as quick as anyone to have a go at a linesman, ref, call foul, penos even when knowing that its marginal/near the box. But to claim a moral high ground on gamesmanship is too partial, every team is at it, its not new - Raf Cretaro was a master at fooling a ref and winding opposition players up and I hated him but In a wish he was with my club way and the list is endless. Like a broken record I still jest at CityRebel's (wherever he is) tendency to be critical of a teams physicality yet Cork had Mark O'Sullivan in the team and were coached by a chap who reluctantly played players if they wouldnt run through walls. It gets a bit punch and judy in a school yard when fans start pointing fingers with 'you started it'.

Of course part of being a football fan is rivalry and disagreement and the debate contentious incidents cause. VAR would influence a lot of the different sorts of reaction to Sonni's tackle last weekend. Though while I get the reasons for VAR, that there are often millions at stake if a ref fooks up, the feelings after a Thierry Henry handball, maybe how errors can contribute to crowd trouble and even lives threatened at the extreme end of things. But when VAR eventually arrives here I also think or fear we will lose something as fans, the rollercoaster effect, tbh not sure I can put my finger on it as I do enjoy rugby also and the TMO has enhanced the game I think, the anticipation of waiting for a decision, while also occasionally being gobsmacked by a decision. I dont know if it would have the same positive effect on football here, by the time it arrives Finn Harps will be in Stranrolar and most of the issues from VAR elsewhere ironed out, then again it is LoI and it will probably never fail to leave us speechless. Bit of a VAR tangent there:eek:.

You've gone so fantastically off topic that you've successfully shut me up. Others should take note.

[Nesta99]

Guilty as charged, the VAR stuff anyway! That's a good to know tactic lol, Im bad enough for going off topic as it is, sorry mods :o

[ontheotherhand]

Ah it wasn't that far off and VAR is a worthy target any day of the week. It's a pox. Don't even want to think how badly our refs would make a balls of it.

[Kiki Balboa]

Well , the red card seems to have been rescinded. (At least Sonni seems clear to play vs Sligo).

So i guess thats the end of that

[Bucket]

I didn't think cards in Presidents Cup carried into the league

[pineapple stu]

It was said earlier in the thread that no suspension would arise as the game was classed as a friendly.

So still very much a red card

[Kiki Balboa]

I didn't think cards in Presidents Cup carried into the league


They did in previous years (yellows were carried on). Shane Keegan also said that Dundalk was going to appeal the decsion. But, its hard to get proper information in this league.

[Asterix]

They did in previous years (yellows were carried on). Shane Keegan also said that Dundalk was going to appeal the decsion. But, its hard to get proper information in this league.

They didn't, Gartland was sent off in the presidents cup before and played the first league game.

[Nesta99]

Just seen the Roofe challange on the Prague keeper from last night - not that was 2 feet off the ground, out of control and studs up with no room for debate! it on the high side too...

[mcgonigle]

They didn't, Gartland was sent off in the presidents cup before and played the first league game.

I'm hearing Sonni will get a 2 game suspension from next week but the Harps game won't count as he is unavailable. So he misses the Rovers and Bohs games.

Which is it so?

[Charlie Darwin]

He's not banned - he wasn't on the suspension list.

[Yossarian]

I'm hearing Sonni will get a 2 game suspension from next week but the Harps game won't count as he is unavailable. So he misses the Rovers and Bohs games.

Which is it so?

That doesn’t make any sense. If he was due a ban because of the red in the Presidents Cup then he would be suspended for the game today as with a straight red a suspension in the next game would be mandatory. Any further suspension due to this would then be confirmed when the suspension list is issued next week.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Sounds like we should just be given the 3 points

[mcgonigle]

Just reporting what I'm hearing. I thought it was done and dusted once he wasn't on this week's list. Would be peak FAI if he's on next week's list. We'll wait and see