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patsh
21/06/2005, 7:17 AM
Fighting for one's club is not cue for a punch-up
Emmet Malone

On Soccer: First, a confession. In the light of events at Tolka Park on Friday night, going to the game between Bray Wanderers and Cork City instead seems, in hindsight, to have been a misjudgment.

It was not, mind you, as grave an error as getting into a punch-up with somebody considerably younger, much fitter and more experienced in the boxing department. So, for the umpteenth time I find myself being strangely impressed by the passionate devotion Ollie Byrne has for Shelbourne Football Club and absolutely staggered that Irish football's most prominent club official could be guilty of such a colossally poor call.

I shouldn't be, at this stage, I know. Friday's altercation was just the latest instance of Byrne becoming embroiled in some show-stealing incident that was bound to overshadow anything that might occur out on the pitch. Sure enough, the defeat by Shamrock Rovers seems to have been a riveting encounter, but the headlines over the weekend have all centred on the pre-match fight, and most of the stories have featured Collins making it clear he was not the one to throw the first punch.

The league investigation, involving a committee of three (Paddy McCaul, Eamon Naughton and Eddie Murray) which met for the first time last night, should ensure that we hear more about this in the weeks ahead, although it would be a surprise if any serious sanctions are imposed.

Collins, of course, is hardly an entirely innocent party here. The irony of the current Rovers manager referring on radio to financial difficulties and internal unrest at Tolka Park doesn't need to be pointed out, as it is just a few weeks since his own club was in complete meltdown.

None of that, however, excuses the behaviour of Byrne, who only a month ago was calling for Rovers to be thrown out of the league because, he said, a number of the club's supporters had provoked a minor fracas with Linfield fans during the build-up to the Setanta Cup final.

It was pointed out to him then that the club's officials had no control over the actions of a small number of supporters before a game in which Rovers were not involved, but he asserted nevertheless that they had not done enough to restrain the offenders. To their credit, though, they weren't in there, leading by example, throwing the digs.

Byrne's achievements at Shelbourne over the years are beyond question. Off the field, it seems certain that he has prevented the club from going to the wall on a number of occasions. On the field, he has overseen the club's emergence as the country's top side with a bigger, better, more expensive squad than any of their rivals, one that enjoyed considerable success at home in recent years.

His methods, however, often make him a nightmare to deal with. Journalists who write about the club are routinely berated at length over the phone when unfavourable pieces are published. League, FAI and rival club officials receive similar treatment when Byrne feels that Shelbourne have not been treated in the desired way.

In public, meanwhile, he has been involved in a string of altercations with rivals from other clubs, match officials and, perhaps most unedifyingly, supporters. At least two that I have witnessed in recent seasons, at Richmond Park and at Tolka Park, have required the intervention of gardaí.

Twice last season he was fined by the league and warned about his behaviour following incidents at games against Shamrock Rovers and Drogheda United. Only a few weeks ago, when Shelbourne lost, he became embroiled in a public shouting match with a Bohemians fan.

What is particularly significant about Friday's incident is that it comes just a few weeks before the Dublin club kicks off this year's European campaign, a time when there will be more talk of demonstrating to potential investors what can be achieved by a club that turns over around €2 million a year but which would, almost at a stroke, quadruple that figure if it could qualify for the Champions League group stages.

To date, however, there has been a marked reluctance on the part of big investors to fund the desired progression. But then major brand and sponsorship managers might be excused for viewing an alliance with a club whose chief executive (and owner) routinely ends up trading insults with spectators at games and now settles his differences with a rival club's manager by resorting to a punch-up as something of a gamble.

Whatever the reasons, the club's lack of backing from the corporate sector is underlined on an annual basis when they compete in Europe. Year after year Shelbourne play foreign clubs that enjoy no greater standing in their leagues but who are nevertheless heavily funded by the manufacturers or distributors of major brand names in those countries.

Under Byrne, Shelbourne have established themselves in recent years as the dominant force in the domestic game: they have won four championships in the last six seasons and last year's games against Deportivo La Coruna confirmed the extent of their potential appeal. Still, the club does not have what might be described as a single major blue-chip sponsor, and the big investors courted in the wake of the European run all eventually shied away from making a commitment.

During the hard times Byrne has probably been Shelbourne's greatest asset. But if the club really is serious about graduating to "the next level" so regularly mentioned, incidents like Friday's suggest he could turn out to be their most costly liability.




© The Irish Times

sullanefc
21/06/2005, 11:21 AM
Can't argue with any of that really.

pete
21/06/2005, 12:11 PM
But then major brand and sponsorship managers might be excused for viewing an alliance with a club whose chief executive (and owner) routinely ends up trading insults with spectators at games and now settles his differences with a rival club's manager by resorting to a punch-up as something of a gamble.

That probably says it all really.

Roverstillidie
21/06/2005, 8:07 PM
The normally very vocal shels fans seem to have missed throwint their tuppence worth in here.

Funny that.

A face
21/06/2005, 9:22 PM
Lads, we all know the sceal to be fair so there is no point in sling the shíte at each other in fairness ..... what has me here is that you cant really argue with alot of it, it is someones opinion who has stood back and looked at what is going on and reported it. If that is what other people are doing (standing back and looking at it) then there is definitely something to be learnt from all this. Pig-headedness and egos will rule the day though i'd say.

i am being petty here but what if it were at a gah match .... would it even be covered ?? Anyway .... that is not the point. This could be more damaging that we all think right now.

Slash/ED
21/06/2005, 9:55 PM
The normally very vocal shels fans seem to have missed throwint their tuppence worth in here.

Funny that.

The same Shels fans who were calling Ollie a disgrace earlier?

The article is spot on.

Clones Road Cas
21/06/2005, 10:58 PM
Lads, we all know the sceal to be fair so there is no point in sling the shíte at each other in fairness ..... what has me here is that you cant really argue with alot of it, it is someones opinion who has stood back and looked at what is going on and reported it. If that is what other people are doing (standing back and looking at it) then there is definitely something to be learnt from all this. Pig-headedness and egos will rule the day though i'd say.

i am being petty here but what if it were at a gah match .... would it even be covered ?? Anyway .... that is not the point. This could be more damaging that we all think right now.

In fairness bust ups at GAA matches have largely been on the pitch and they have received major coverage. The big difference between the GAA on this one is that they hAve had a debate on the matter and have been willing to admit a problem exists. Our governing body will stick its head in the sand and do nothing.

The same way they have done when it comes to any issue which will lead to an argument. The solution to any problem in irish football is what will cause least argument. Well thats bull sh*t. They did it by docking rovers 8 points when that was the one sanction which they had no right to impose and they'll do it with Ollie.

TheOwl
21/06/2005, 11:59 PM
The normally very vocal shels fans seem to have missed throwint their tuppence worth in here.

Funny that.

Shels fan here - article spot on.

I think Oille should resign, although I would hate for him to be forced to do so. A swift resignation and apology to Roddy (to everyone in fact) would at least see him leave the scene with some dignity, and would also mean he would leave with the Shels fans best wishes.

Can't see it happening though.

However, if he carries on as he has been, even his own fans will turn against him, I for one, have already lost a lot respect for him.

So Roverstilledie I've admitted to a shortcoming at my club. All is well at Rovers I suppose? Nice fans, great league position, new stadium in the pipeline! The future looks bright?

Roverstillidie
22/06/2005, 9:05 AM
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Nice fans, great league position, new stadium in the pipeline! The future looks bright?

couldnt agree more, except for the league bit though. :)

we saw people running our club into the ground, we got rid of them.

olly is a bully and a thug. only you can get rid of him. good to see some shels fans finally admitting the problem that he has become for you.

and we are entitled to have a go at him, he has slandered us and thumped our manager in the past few weeks. this isnt a finger pointing exercise, he chose to take rovers as an institution on.

Slash/ED
22/06/2005, 12:20 PM
he has slandered us

Yeah he said Rovers have a few trouble makers in their ranks

But you proved him wrong didn't you....

Roverstillidie
22/06/2005, 12:33 PM
Yeah he said Rovers have a few trouble makers in their ranks

But you proved him wrong didn't you....


olly alledged we attacked specific fans at a specific time. still waiting on proof btw.

how did we prove him wrong?

just for the record:
who threw the bottles on the pitch?
whose chairman attacked an opposition manager?
whose fans racially abused sparky?

i dont believe what happened on the pitch on friday is anything to get worked up about, but my problem is that when anything in this league happens, its pinned on us, even if we arent playing (case in point the linfield game).


olly is a cancer on your club, which is fine by 99% of us, but his antics are having a detrimental affect on the league in general. his mental state is clearly not good, he needs time off before he hurts someone or himself (half way there on friday :D ). seriously, im actually concerned for the goons health.

and still this tosser comes on here defending his recent outbursts. its almost orwellian. war is peace, rovers is scum

Slash/ED
22/06/2005, 12:41 PM
olly alledged we attacked specific fans at a specific time. still waiting on proof btw.

how did we prove him wrong?

just for the record:
who threw the bottles on the pitch?
whose chairman attacked an opposition manager?
whose fans racially abused sparky?

i dont believe what happened on the pitch on friday is anything to get worked up about, but my problem is that when anything in this league happens, its pinned on us, even if we arent playing (case in point the linfield game).


olly is a cancer on your club, which is fine by 99% of us, but his antics are having a detrimental affect on the league in general. his mental state is clearly not good, he needs time off before he hurts someone or himself (half way there on friday :D ). seriously, im actually concerned for the goons health.

and still this tosser comes on here defending his recent outbursts. its almost orwellian. war is peace, rovers is scum

Nobody defended his recent outburtsts, just the Rovers fans proved him spot on and it was beautifully timed. Read the thread about it, it's not just the pitch invasions but the sh*te they were upto outside the ground too, and don't do the usual Rovers trick and deny it ever happened as I saw one Shels fan get hopped on by about four Rovers fans myself, luckily for him it got broken up very quickly, and there was alot more too posted on Shelsweb.

Scum.

As for Olly, I wouldn't call him a cancer on the club but now is the time for him to go, the longer he stays the worse he'll get and it will only damage his legacy at the club.

jofyisgod
22/06/2005, 1:33 PM
As for Olly, I wouldn't call him a cancer on the club but now is the time for him to go, the longer he stays the worse he'll get and it will only damage his legacy at the club.

Spot on. Sums everything up. Good to see Shels fans seeing the light (or the dark, as it were!?) :ball: