Shels v Derry - 1st July - Setanta

[eirebhoy]

Shels on again. Should be a good match though.

[Rebal Boy]

Hopefully it will be a good game and a Derry win. :D

[jorge]

Are you serious,Shells AGAIN FFS,the only thing that will soften the blow is seen them lose AGAIN.

[ger121]

Pats v Drogheda next friday Setanta too. At this rate they'll easily exceed the amount of games they planned to show.

[hamish]

Lads, absolutely no disrespect to any of the Dublin teams but Cork City lead the EL by eight points. Are the TV cameras so heavy that they can't find the transport big enough to bring them to Turner's Cross??? :confused: And Derry are also right up there - why not a live game from the Brandywell too???

[Dazzy]

Lads, absolutely no disrespect to any of the Dublin teams but Cork City lead the EL by eight points. Are the TV cameras so heavy that they can't find the transport big enough to bring them to Turner's Cross??? :confused: And Derry are also right up there - why not a live game from the Brandywell too???

Agree totally, the only time the cameras will be out of dublin will be the final game at Turners Cross for the title decider ;)

[harpskid]

This is a bloody joke. $h€l$ muxt have been on more times than the rest of the clubs put together :mad:

There should be a limit to the amount of times that a club can be shown. They should have waited a week and taken the cameras to the Brandywell for the North West derby.

[Munchie]

i agree with you's aswell, dublin teams get to much coverage!! bohs got their first two games of the season on tv and havn't got a look in since! i think bohs v shels should have been on telly!! but apart from bohs cork and derry should be on the box as they are well up their this season and would be exiting to watch!

[BohDiddley]

Lads, absolutely no disrespect to any of the Dublin teams but Cork City lead the EL by eight points. Are the TV cameras so heavy that they can't find the transport big enough to bring them to Turner's Cross??? :confused: And Derry are also right up there - why not a live game from the Brandywell too???
Dublin teams get the coverage because that's where most of the audience, such as it is, lives (and believe me, I would prefer to see other parts of the country take some of the pressure of 'progress', but that's a different story.)
But you're right about Cork. They are deserved league leaders by a stretch and play far more attractive football than Shels currently do. Not having them on is bizarre.
I wonder if this obsession with Shels was locked into Setanta's schedules at the start of the season, when everyone thought it was a cert that Ollie's chequeboook could buy the league (not to mention the fact that 'Money Can't Buy You Fans' :p )?

[exile]

Shels on TV this year.
v Cork City Setanta Cup
v Cork City Setanta Cup
v Portadown Setanta Cup
v Portadown Setanta Cup

v Cork City League
v Shamrock Rovers League
v Derry City League

v Derry City FAI Cup

[De Town]

Cork v Longford should be on TV next Friday. Both teams are in excellent form.

[pete]

Crazy "decision" by Setanta. Especially stupid because the 2 treams only played in the cup last week. Drogs & Pats is now mid table clash so have to question how the FAI can allow a tv deal that is biased towards dublin teams. By this logic Setanta would continue to show dublin teams even if all in bottom half of the table. Since tv means greater exposure to team sponsors it seems to give dublin teams an unfair advantage.

[jorge]

Im sick of seen Shells,what are Setanta playing at?

[Slash/ED]

I'm sick of us being on TV too, we haven't won a TV match since that Harris header :(

Setanta should be showing more teams than just Shels yeah but two things, 1) At least they're showing the EL, and lots of it. They do a good job and are like Sky, always focus on the positive aspects of the game, it can only help promote the game and 2) This is a very important game for the destination of the title, you can't argue too much with the fact it's on.

They should be showing more of Cork though, the Longford game should be on instead of the game they're showing on delayed transmission, Pats v Derry I think.

[Troy.McClure]

No no, they sholdnt be showing Cork,we never live up to expectations when we're on tv. Cant understand why its Shels again (although you could argue its 2 v 3 in the league). I wouldnt mind them showing a Bohs game, they are on good form at the moment.

[thecorner]

anybody know of bars in santa ponsa that show setanta sports

[Peadar]

anybody know of bars in santa ponsa that show setanta sports

The Setanta Sports shown outside of Ireland is different to the channel shown at home.

[Aberdonian Stu]

Well there are two obvious commericial reasons for prioritising Dublin games.

For starters it's more cost effective as there's less to transport.

Then there's where there audience is based. Most Setanta users are in Dublin so it makes commercial sense to give greater coverage to games involving Dublin teams. Admittedly when it comes to league coverage it has so far been total coverage.

I'd rather see more games involving teams other than Shels but the priority for such games should lie with public service broadcasters like RTE and TG4. Setanta are a commercial organisation and must act in their own best interests.

[thecorner]

The Setanta Sports shown outside of Ireland is different to the channel shown at home.


not if they have an irish viewing card ;)

[dcfcsteve]

Well there are two obvious commericial reasons for prioritising Dublin games.

For starters it's more cost effective as there's less to transport.

Then there's where there audience is based. Most Setanta users are in Dublin so it makes commercial sense to give greater coverage to games involving Dublin teams. Admittedly when it comes to league coverage it has so far been total coverage.

I'd rather see more games involving teams other than Shels but the priority for such games should lie with public service broadcasters like RTE and TG4. Setanta are a commercial organisation and must act in their own best interests.

Nonesense. Your logic works on a very basic level, but is deeply flawed.

It's makes commercial sense at a very basic level to prioritise Dublin teams, as the production costs are slightly lower. However - of the Top 4 teams in the league at the moment, only one is Dublin-based. Therefore, prioritising Dublin teams inevitably means that the quality of football being broadcast is lower, and its importance to the outcome of the Championship is arguably less impactful as well, which therefore makes the overall product being broadcasted less attractive to viewers- impacting their ability to retain viewers and subscribers. There's a reason why Sky get up off their arse and show lots of Man U and Liverpool games, for example, rather than sit in London and save a few quid by popping over to Craven Cottage (their nearest stadium) or Selhurst Park all the time.

I would also question your assumption that Setanta's main audience is in Dublin, as there's no evidence of this beyond an assumption based on demographics (the majority of the population lives outside Dublin anyway). Even if it was true - it appears that a lot of the Dublin-based people who receive Setanta do so for free with the likes of Chorus, whilst most areas outside of Dublin have to pay directly to access the channel. Therefore, the value to Setanta of their non-Dublin subscribers would therefore be much, much higher than their Dub-based ones. A very large number of their Dublin viewers will only be worth a tiny incremental increase in their ad revenue, and this will be difficult to measure/justify. The majority outside of Dublin who have to do direct subscription will be worth much more to their bottom line, in terms of their monthly subscription as well as a much more measurable incremental increase in ad revenue.

The bottom line is that Setanta have some sort of misguided love affair with Shels and are just too bloody lazy to leave the Pale for games. To be fair - facilities at grounds other than Tolka are probably not helping either, though

[Aberdonian Stu]

Well the assumption is based on the fact that Setanta is available in more homes in Dublin than in the rest of the country because of the way the basic cable packages work.

As for the Man U and Liverpool argument the difference is that there's a lot of Man U and Liverpool fans in London and the UK has a wider population spread.

Furthermore while Derry and Cork would attract interest from viewers other than their fans (one assumes their fans would already be interested) because of their league positions the likes of Bohs and Rovers can still draw a comparatively significant TV crowd in Setanta's target market (although not so much ABs but certainly C1s) which at present is heavily oriented around the Dublin area. This is despite the comparatively inferior displays by both these clubs this season.

I've already said there seems to be a bit of overkill with Shels but that's not their problem.

[BohDiddley]

the likes of Bohs and Rovers can still draw a comparatively significant TV crowd in Setanta's target market (although not so much ABs but certainly C1s) which at present is heavily oriented around the Dublin area. This is despite the comparatively inferior displays by both these clubs this season.
This is either a fairly decent wind-up attempt, or you have been in the southern hemisphere for the last eight weeks and are still basking in the glow of one night in Belfield!

[Schumi]

$h€l$ muxt have been on more times than the rest of the clubs put together :mad:
I kind of doubt that. :D

[jorge]

I dont and its about time RTE showed a few matches,i heard they dint want to show any during the gaa season.

[Slash/ED]

RTE only want to show the run in, imo Setanta should get priority on all top of the table clashes in the run in as their putting the effort in now and fair play to them for that.

[pineapple stu]

What eL games have been on so far?

Bohs v. Rovers
Pat's v. Bohs
Shels v. Cork
Shels v. Rovers

And now Shels v. Derry and Pat's v. Drogs

I'm not counting the Setanta Cup as it was known that every game was going to be shown.

Is it every quarter-final from the FAI Cup is supposed to be live? That'll ensure a good spread of teams. The FAI semis are usually on live and are usually decent games...? (Never got to watch one because we're always playing in the league at the same time... :( )

Still, good to see a fair few games being shown though. Credit where it's due.

[Slash/ED]

What about the FAI cup Stu, Shels v Derry was shown on TG4.

I think 7 FAI cup games were to be shown this season, which could have worked out as every quater final/semi final and the final on live, but Shels v Derry has been shown so there's 6 cup matches left.

[pineapple stu]

What about the FAI cup Stu, Shels v Derry was shown on TG4.
Forgot about that, though technically I was only counting league games.

Six more Cup games then - presumable Bohs' Third Round tie is next then?

[Aberdonian Stu]

This is either a fairly decent wind-up attempt, or you have been in the southern hemisphere for the last eight weeks and are still basking in the glow of one night in Belfield!

You might want to read the entire post. Over the course of the season Bohs have been inferior to Derry and Cork. I'm not claiming Bohs haven't had a good run over the past eight weeks.

The argument I was answering was that higher placed teams were automatically more commercially attractive however I contend that Bohs and to a greater extent Rovers (because they're further down the table than ye, and well everyone at present) demonstrate that in the target market Setanta have available to them showing these teams games irrespective of their comparatively inferior displays this season (as in the whole of it).

[Mr_T]

The TV companies excuse is that they don't leave Dublin because the costs are higher and technichal facilities are poorer in the sticks.

The sad fact is that of the first 6 live games encompassed by the TV deal Shels have/will feature as the home side in 4 of them. Thats €20,000 of the €30,000 of TV money paid out to date going to Ollie.