View Full Version : 2021 Season , Arrivals and departures
Nesta99
17/08/2021, 8:43 PM
Been at the club on trial too, though Im not sure Armar was going to be signed from what was said previously, but things may have changed after the game in Derry.
placid casual
17/08/2021, 10:03 PM
Great signing.Your chances of finishing third are up a notch.
I would have presumed he would go back bohs, DR , no? you better hope gorgeous george doesn't get injured
Dalymountrower
17/08/2021, 10:39 PM
I would have presumed he would go back bohs, DR , no? you better hope gorgeous george doesn't get injured
Yep, absolutely up **** creek if he does.
Longfordian
18/08/2021, 10:09 AM
Adrian Carberry left Athlone,8 points off the play offs with what looked on paper a decent first division squad,the result the other night must have sealed his fate…
Paul Doolin in as new manager. Didn't see that one coming I must say.
Burnsie
18/08/2021, 10:10 AM
no more Mr NIce Guy
pineapple stu
18/08/2021, 10:15 AM
Paul Doolin in as new manager. Didn't see that one coming I must say.
Hahahahahahahaaaaa!
Poor Athlone :p
D24Saint
18/08/2021, 10:46 AM
Paul Doolin in as new manager. Didn't see that one coming I must say.
Never thought I’d see him back in the league to be honest.
joey B
18/08/2021, 11:14 AM
12 years since he’s managed in the league….
Nesta99
18/08/2021, 12:49 PM
Maybe worth a hail mary chance though I dont think Athlone will have money to squeeze in to a player budget. Said he applied for Rovers and Galway would have though Dundalk would have been in the mix with recent haphazard free spending policy fitting his methods with little value for money needed....
2 Year Contract
19/08/2021, 4:15 PM
Pats have signed right back Jak Hickman who was last with Bolton Wanderers to fill the gap left by John Mountney who’s out for the rest of the season after doing his cruciate in Oriel the other week
vinnie
19/08/2021, 10:40 PM
Pats have signed right back Jak Hickman who was last with Bolton Wanderers to fill the gap left by John Mountney who’s out for the rest of the season after doing his cruciate in Oriel the other week
Speaking of Crutiates and Oriel, any word on how Gartland is recovering? Be terrible to see a player like him retiring because of that injury
Kiki Balboa
20/08/2021, 9:06 AM
This might be a controversial opinion, but I find it amazing the overprice of the Scales transfer. A good LOI player, but to me, doesnt seem a standard above which warrents such money. In the biggest games he doesnt stand out, such as in Europe, and for the final last year lost McMillian for his goal and gave a needless penalty away. Not saying Im right, just think its a inflated price (which is great for Rovers), but would be surprised if he made it at a higher standard like Celtic.
If Scales goes, from the starting 11 last night in Europe, only Dylan Watt is under 26 years old, with five players over 30, and three more on the bench. It is an old team, and it really doesnt suit Rovers to lose their youngest starting player.
From my quick calculations , the average of the team last night was 29.4, and without Scales, it would be 30.1 years old. I really doubt there would have been a team in Europe last night with an older team. Including the bench it was 28.4 (bench had an average age of 26.8).
Point being, that is a lot of players potentially declining together in the next few years, or more likely, Rovers needing to bring in a heap of lads over the next few windows, which is fairly difficult (just ask Dundalk + Cork).
Dalymountrower
20/08/2021, 9:46 AM
Speaking of Crutiates and Oriel, any word on how Gartland is recovering? Be terrible to see a player like him retiring because of that injury
I hope for his sake that gets a few more years on the pitch as his expert commentary on TV last night was very poor.
placid casual
20/08/2021, 9:50 AM
He's talking about Brian Gartland, not Graham Gartland who is very much retired and working with Rovers underage teams
Dalymountrower
20/08/2021, 10:34 AM
He's talking about Brian Gartland, not Graham Gartland who is very much retired and working with Rovers underage teams
Cheers, Brian Gartland may well be an excellent TV pundit then.
ToberonaTornado
21/08/2021, 3:47 AM
Seems to have gone a bit under the radar here a bit but Dundalk defender Val Adedokun is apparently on his way to Brentford for a substantial 6 figure sum and with all clubs who played a part in his development due for reward.
https://extra.ie/2021/08/20/sport/soccernews/val-adedokun
This might be a controversial opinion, but I find it amazing the overprice of the Scales transfer. A good LOI player, but to me, doesnt seem a standard above which warrents such money.
As a Celtic fan as well I agree with this and don’t want him, a lot of us can’t help but feel it’s simply a Dermot Desmond manoeuvre.
There must be something in the water up there because I'd genuinely love to have the levels of optimism the vast majority of Dundalk fans have. If roles were reversed, and Rovers had lost two players to Dundalk, lost out on Towell, and had recruited the same group of players Dundalk have, the pitchforks would be out and the 'Enough is Enough' banner would be making another appearance!
The goalkeeping situation alone would have me throwing a wobbler tbh.
Bump.
Poor Student
21/08/2021, 6:26 PM
As a Celtic fan as well I agree with this and don’t want him, a lot of us can’t help but feel it’s simply a Dermot Desmond manoeuvre.
It's a very low cost low risk punt from Celtic's perspective. Makes a lot more sense than the money wasted loaning Laxalt, Kenny and Duffy last year. The terrible strategic planning has left an absurd amount of gaps to be filled in the squad and his ability to cover LCB and LB would be majorly beneficial as it doesn't look like anyone is being signed to push Taylor whilst Boli is also sitting on the books. Postecoglu appears to be a good coach who gives his players clearly defined roles and instructions and if Scales does indeed have the ability to make the step up it looks like the right move to flourish.
It's a very low cost low risk punt from Celtic's perspective. Makes a lot more sense than the money wasted loaning Laxalt, Kenny and Duffy last year. The terrible strategic planning has left an absurd amount of gaps to be filled in the squad and his ability to cover LCB and LB would be majorly beneficial as it doesn't look like anyone is being signed to push Taylor whilst Boli is also sitting on the books. Postecoglu appears to be a good coach who gives his players clearly defined roles and instructions and if Scales does indeed have the ability to make the step up it looks like the right move to flourish.
I don’t disagree with any of that.
However the concern from a Celtic perspective is that he will be sold to fans as a first team signing and not a punt as you mention.
The reality is if he signs it will be Celtic saying “here, we HAVE signed more defensive cover”, when the team is crying out for a good centre half and left back this is what we end up fobbed off with, a 0.5 mil League of Ireland defender. This is Desmond all over. Obviously on this occasion it has the added bonus of shifting funds to this other club.
If Scales is signed as a “punt” alongside a centre half and a left back, fair enough. That is unlikely.
sbgawa
22/08/2021, 1:04 AM
The reason celtic are paying 600k is because better clubs than celtic were in for scales as well. Scales is well capable of playing at league 1 level which is where celtic are or championship level if he does OK at celtic. Happy for him as he will earn more at celtic and he has been good for rovers. Hopefully he can push on with his career from here .
Asterix
22/08/2021, 1:33 AM
He is also under contract until the end of next season , and rovers aren't desperate to get money for him. They have no problem rejecting offers they aren't happy with.
The reason celtic are paying 600k is because better clubs than celtic were in for scales as well. Scales is well capable of playing at league 1 level which is where celtic are or championship level if he does OK at celtic. Happy for him as he will earn more at celtic and he has been good for rovers. Hopefully he can push on with his career from here .
You don’t know he is more than capable of playing at league one level though. Rovers fans thought the same of Graham Burke.
For me he stands out in the LOI a lot more than Scales (he was magic in the 2-4 game at the Brandywell for example) but was simply not good enough for league one level when he played there and is miles off ever playing in the Championship again.
Scales was part of a shambles of a defence against Flora Tallinn in the ECL the other day. For all that Celtic aren’t at a great level themselves he is unlikely to bring any real improvement. As I say if signed as a punt, fine. He is no more than that.
Nesta99
22/08/2021, 9:33 AM
He is also under contract until the end of next season , and rovers aren't desperate to get money for him. They have no problem rejecting offers they aren't happy with.
The classic comment from a supporter of a club thats hitting the peak of their cycle of success, the kiss of death in LoI terms and the start of the break in the cycle. It may be a few years before the 'told you so' can be claimed though....
DD is going to know what offers are on the table surely and just has to better them hoping that significant offers from other clubs dont roll in turning the players head too. It is a bit of a transfer of wealth when 2 clubs involved have a common money man backing things. A win win also with his stake in Rovers if another club offers more than Celtic. 600k is a good fee and hopefully something of a precedence for better future transfer fees. With the bargain basement fees we are used to in LoI in mind it is quite a lump for Celtic to splash on a development player especially with a big financial hole to fill. They are open about being a selling club to maintain sustainability so I suppose rebuilding will become a more regular thing there and signings like Scales fits in to that model - very average players have made Scottish clubs a nice wedge selling on to the lower tiers in England, never mind a chap that could forge a good career in the UK.
Poor Student
22/08/2021, 12:29 PM
I don’t disagree with any of that.
However the concern from a Celtic perspective is that he will be sold to fans as a first team signing and not a punt as you mention.
The reality is if he signs it will be Celtic saying “here, we HAVE signed more defensive cover”, when the team is crying out for a good centre half and left back this is what we end up fobbed off with, a 0.5 mil League of Ireland defender. This is Desmond all over. Obviously on this occasion it has the added bonus of shifting funds to this other club.
If Scales is signed as a “punt” alongside a centre half and a left back, fair enough. That is unlikely.
With having signed Starfelt, Julien returning from injury, the emergence of Welsh; and Bitton and Murray also there to provide cover I don't think you're going to see any more significant upgrading to the defence in this window. The squad management over the past two seasons have left too much to do. The improvement in Ralston and Rogic has partially helped alleviate that burden. I wouldn't get fixated on the Desmond connection. It sounds to me from his interviews like Postecoglu has a say in transfers and is making sure the club identify players that fit his system and vision. Notwithstanding the potential departures of Edouard and Christie, if at the end of last season I even thought the squad was going to be in this good a state I'd have been delighted.
With having signed Starfelt, Julien returning from injury, the emergence of Welsh; and Bitton and Murray also there to provide cover I don't think you're going to see any more significant upgrading to the defence in this window. The squad management over the past two seasons have left too much to do. The improvement in Ralston and Rogic has partially helped alleviate that burden. I wouldn't get fixated on the Desmond connection. It sounds to me from his interviews like Postecoglu has a say in transfers and is making sure the club identify players that fit his system and vision. Notwithstanding the potential departures of Edouard and Christie, if at the end of last season I even thought the squad was going to be in this good a state I'd have been delighted.
Again i can’t disagree with any of that, RB has now been signed to replace Ralston as well although the consensus is still that another CB is required and an upgrade or at least cover for LB and I think we will see Scales as being that signed as that which I from a Celtic perspective feel is far from sufficient but look this is all Celtic talk so probably dragging the thread a wee bit off topic now. It was just to give a perspective on the potential Scales move.
nigel-harps1954
23/08/2021, 6:38 PM
Sligo signed some English/German/Ugandan lad. Played a bit in the Bundesliga with Werder Bremen and played a bit in the Eredivisie.
pineapple stu
23/08/2021, 6:47 PM
Weird one. 40+ games in the 2017/18 and 2018/19 Dutch top flight is a decent recent pedigree, but he hasn't played a senior game in almost two years. Can't see why.
joey B
27/08/2021, 8:18 AM
Scales to Celtic confirmed on a 4 year deal.
https://www.celticfc.com/news/2021/august/Celtic-reach-agreement-to-sign-Liam-Scales/?fbclid=IwAR38Dily0ul6t9-3xDyE1i80lYBqoVkPaTIocQm4porurs_6V4SwZb6D7A4
Dalymountrower
27/08/2021, 8:25 AM
Scales to Celtic confirmed on a 4 year deal.
https://www.celticfc.com/news/2021/august/Celtic-reach-agreement-to-sign-Liam-Scales/?fbclid=IwAR38Dily0ul6t9-3xDyE1i80lYBqoVkPaTIocQm4porurs_6V4SwZb6D7A4
4 year deal? Good for him!.
Presumably he will play against Bohs on Sunday while awaiting international clearance.?
passinginterest
27/08/2021, 9:10 AM
4 year deal? Good for him!.
Presumably he will play against Bohs on Sunday while awaiting international clearance.?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0827/1243134-liam-scales-completes-celtic-switch-on-four-yeal-deal/
RTE reckon he could be in the Celtic squad for the old firm derby so fair to say he won't be playing for Rovers.
Scales to Celtic confirmed on a 4 year deal.
https://www.celticfc.com/news/2021/august/Celtic-reach-agreement-to-sign-Liam-Scales/?fbclid=IwAR38Dily0ul6t9-3xDyE1i80lYBqoVkPaTIocQm4porurs_6V4SwZb6D7A4
Talk about a debut Id say he will go straight into the starting XI at Ibrox with Taylor getting injured last night.
eitoof
27/08/2021, 11:33 AM
Who was the last player to move directly from Shamrock Rovers to Celtic?
placid casual
27/08/2021, 12:09 PM
His clearance won't go through in time to play against the gers, and with Rovers now a bit light at the back due to injuries to Grace, Kavanagh and Hoare there has been optimistic talk thst he'll still be available for the cup game on Sunday.
Hopefully he signs off with the winner against the our development team and then we wish him all the best on his football journey.
sbgawa
27/08/2021, 1:23 PM
Zero chance of him playing Sunday.
Martinho II
27/08/2021, 3:55 PM
Who was the last player to move directly from Shamrock Rovers to Celtic?
I know Paddy McCourt played for both Shamrock Rovers and Celtic but somehow I dont think its him?
patsdad
27/08/2021, 4:29 PM
Who was the last player to move directly from Shamrock Rovers to Celtic?
Go back to 1968 and a guy called Jackie Clarke.
https://www.thecelticwiki.com/1968-03-18-shamrock-rovers-2-2-celtic-friendly/
joey B
30/08/2021, 4:21 PM
Jordan Gibson left Sligo and gone to Carlisle…
sbgawa
30/08/2021, 4:29 PM
Jordan Gibson left Sligo and gone to Carlisle…
He is from Birmingham so probably being back in the UK suits him.
If he was Irish it would be a poor enough move you'd think especially now Roddy isn't there
D24Saint
30/08/2021, 4:30 PM
Jordan Gibson left Sligo and gone to Carlisle…
That will be a loss for Sligo. He seemed to be doing well for them this season. He probably should have seen the season out in Sligo then moved in January. He seems to be constantly on the move since he left Bradford City. The grass isn't always greener,
placid casual
30/08/2021, 7:26 PM
Was there trouble in the dressing room - something has made them fall off a cliff in the last couple of months and it can't just be bolgers absence can it?
He looked a tidy skilful player but maybe getting Wright in will alter their game plan and they aim to go more direct instead.
joey B
30/08/2021, 7:30 PM
Bohs sign Roland Idowu from Cardiff city…
sbgawa
30/08/2021, 8:49 PM
I thought the window was closed for Ireland unless the player was unattached?
joey B
30/08/2021, 9:21 PM
I thought the window was closed for Ireland unless the player was unattached?
His contract was probably cancelled before he left....
sbgawa
30/08/2021, 9:41 PM
Canceling doesn't work otherwise people would just cancel and say they were free agents so they could move. Either I'm wrong about the window being closed or he was out of contract. I'm hoping I'm wrong about the window as rovers could do with a CB
ashbournebohs
30/08/2021, 9:51 PM
Window closes tomorrow for unemployed, unattached or out of contract professional. A player with 6 months left can ask to be released by his club paid off effectively to fall into that category I think. I could be wrong . A player cannot just cancel his contract though to look for a move. Must be done with consent of his club who have to release his reg. If he signed he was out of contract one way or another.
nigel-harps1954
30/08/2021, 9:51 PM
He was released by Cardiff in the summer. You can still sign out of contract professionals.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
31/08/2021, 6:54 AM
Was there trouble in the dressing room - something has made them fall off a cliff in the last couple of months and it can't just be bolgers absence can it?
He looked a tidy skilful player but maybe getting Wright in will alter their game plan and they aim to go more direct instead.
Can’t imagine Buckley going direct. It’s not in his nature. As always when a team loses a few games there’s talk of trouble in the dresssing room. Gibson started brilliant but things hadn’t been working for him, like everyone else, the last few months. Hopefully Wright and Lorenzen get things going from an attacking point as scoring goals is our main problem. McCourt has been as big a loss for us as Bolger. Bolger did actually play in a few of the games.
D24Saint
31/08/2021, 8:13 AM
Can’t imagine Buckley going direct. It’s not in his nature. As always when a team loses a few games there’s talk of trouble in the dresssing room. Gibson started brilliant but things hadn’t been working for him, like everyone else, the last few months. Hopefully Wright and Lorenzen get things going from an attacking point as scoring goals is our main problem. McCourt has been as big a loss for us as Bolger. Bolger did actually play in a few of the games.
I don't think the term route one is in Buckos comprehension. He would rather finish last playing football than be top playing it long.
joey B
31/08/2021, 2:57 PM
Rovers sign Barry Cotter .....
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