one pass and........

[gael353]

well the team ovarall dominated for large parts of the game untill the 53rd min when a passanger gave a 30 yard pass to a drogs player and it all went down hill from there. cant type too upset cos of it. Back 4 were good Barrett was the best on the field, Donellan, Kelleher and even CP all tried hard and Young wehn he came on for the injured Carthy spared the ball around well. Mooney dropped a clanger but had little else to do for most of the game due to the supurb finni and co, then that pass! enough said.

[Pauliwallnuts]

Gael can you elaborate a little bit for all of us folk who couldn't make the trip.

Give us a breakdown ratings etc. etc. Go on ya know ya want to ;)

[JohnD]

Suffice to say that the passenger, who hid from responsibity for the whole game,replaced Chris Kerins, who has left us( Not by his choice). Now we have lost 2 players (Chris and Brendan Hughes) this week and it's not becasuse of their football ability, in my opinion.

Heard other stories re the team and the "managerial style" which I wont post but if they are true would have me very worried about the direction we are heading in. :mad:

We could have won last night and it was not for the want of hard work by most of the team. Fair play to them the lads gave it their all and we were unlucky.

JohnD

[Pauliwallnuts]

I'll take it then that the passenger was Nolan but maybe I'm wrong.

1st I've heard about Kearns leaving so whats happened there ??

[sadloserkid]

We did very overall last night but that said Drogheda were well worth their victory. In Simon Webb they had the best player on the park and their movement and pace was everything you'd expect from a fully professional outfit. Paul Finucane, Conor Molan, Tommy Barrett, Brian Donnellan and Robbie Kelleher were excellent.

The others were also pretty faultless and gave a good account of themselves with the exception of the luckless Nolan who had a nightmare to be honest. Nothing went his way and for the sake of his confidence alone I think he should have been substituted. I'm not Jamie Nolan's biggest fan but he didn't do himself justice last night. That said, I'm not going to be overcritical of a praiseworthy performance against a side that are amongst the best in the country.

Last night we lost against a better side.

I'd be more concerned about the rumours that JohnD alluded to because if even half of them are true it's a shameful state of affairs.

There were a lot of positives to be taken from last nights game and I'm not going to let one player and some rather strange substitutions spoil it for me! :)

[Pauliwallnuts]

Heard other stories re the team and the "managerial style" which I wont post but if they are true would have me very worried about the direction we are heading in. :mad:
JohnD



I'd be more concerned about the rumours that JohnD alluded to because if even half of them are true it's a shameful state of affairs.

There were a lot of positives to be taken from last nights game and I'm not going to let one player and some rather strange substitutions spoil it for me! :)

Ok guys you are sounding really negative so something big must be going down. Any chance of sparing me the trouble of a phone call & elaborating on what ye are talking about.

Its all been going so well till now & I've not heard of anything negative so far this season till now but the fact that both of you are saying the same thing points to the fact that something very bad is either happening or going to happen :( :confused:

[jebus]

Well the rumours I've heard are that Kearns and Hughes left due to differances with the manager over his style of training. From what I heard its pretty much if you're from Limerick or Kerry and have a bad session you get á Fergie style hairdryer treatment, where as if you have an equally poor session and are from Cork than you still get Noel's Gold Star. Just what I've heard from people so don't take it as fact.....

[4tothefloor]

Looks like his reputed oddball nature is rearing it's head. Great timing. Limerick about to shoot themselves in the foot once again :rolleyes:

[joeSoap]

Looks like his reputed oddball nature is rearing it's head. Great timing. Limerick about to shoot themselves in the foot once again :rolleyes:
Speculation is a very dangerous thing.Most of it is usually bullsh it as well because of the amount of changes that get made to the actual truth whilst rumour is being bandied about.If 'oddball nature' gets results and the club promoted, will you really care?? I doubt it.I can't see any signs of the club 'shooting itself in the foot'....please share them with me. :confused:

[joeSoap]

well the team ovarall dominated for large parts of the game untill the 53rd min when a passanger gave a 30 yard pass to a drogs player and it all went down hill from there. cant type too upset cos of it. Back 4 were good Barrett was the best on the field, Donellan, Kelleher and even CP all tried hard and Young wehn he came on for the injured Carthy spared the ball around well. Mooney dropped a clanger but had little else to do for most of the game due to the supurb finni and co, then that pass! enough said.
Lets not forget that Paul Finnucane missed two glorious opportunities to score, Darren Young missed a header from 2 yards that a geriatric would have bagged, and that the same 'passenger', whilst poor, also provided a great drilled cross in the first half that if touched by anyone would have went in. The crossfield pass was disastrous...it led to the first goal, but so too did our inability to clear the ball properly(Wolfie and Finny) when it came in first, and then Steven 'forgot' to even jump with Sandvliet at the back post for a header that our keeper might have saved.So while it was a terrible terrible error, he wasn't the only one to blame.Lets start putting things into perspective here for a change, or maybe the rose coloured glasses could be adjusted.

[gael353]

Lets not forget that Paul Finnucane missed two glorious opportunities to score, Darren Young missed a header from 2 yards that a geriatric would have bagged, and that the same 'passenger', whilst poor, also provided a great drilled cross in the first half that if touched by anyone would have went in. The crossfield pass was disastrous...it led to the first goal, but so too did our inability to clear the ball properly(Wolfie and Finny) when it came in first, and then Steven 'forgot' to even jump with Sandvliet at the back post for a header that our keeper might have saved.So while it was a terrible terrible error, he wasn't the only one to blame.Lets start putting things into perspective here for a change, or maybe the rose coloured glasses could be adjusted.


have to differ Joe, he had a mare. For a guy thats actually playing out of position id give him his dew but as a striker he hasnt even come close to scoring yet alone getting into the opposition box and thats after 15 games or so. He never got close to his man last night for 90 mins and not only the stray pass but his man reg ran the length of the field unchallenged. His woeful clearance late in the game also nearly resulted in a penalty to make it three nil. I dont expect miricles from anyone just effort, i didnt drive 360 miles to see my team (most of them) put in such effort only to be let down by one other. Rossi was a better option, Molem should have been moved into center midfield when Carthy was taken off with Young going in at left back. We're short central midfielders due to Hughes departure and wheres Conlon? Oh thats right hes not very good is he! So why not bring Keith Harnett along? The next two weeks are vital in our season, 3 points are a minimum. Slackers and non tryers out! Its effort hard work and passion with a tad football that will win this very poor first division. And they were black with orange not rose tinted! :ball: :ball:

[Cosmo]

Who was the number 7 lads?

He looked like he'd a good night out before the match :D

[gael353]

Who was the number 7 lads?

He looked like he'd a good night out before the match :D

Its funny you should mention that actually! ;) No thats Colin O'Brien who to be fair tried hard that night. Cosmo where were my photos that i sent to you? ye're programme was good but lacking something if ye get me!

[Cosmo]

Yeah, cheers for the photos but the printers will only put in photos that they get on a disk (dont know why :rolleyes: !!)

In fairness O' Brien did try hard alright, but thats no excuse for him to be nackered after 20 minutes :D !!

[4tothefloor]

Speculation is a very dangerous thing.Most of it is usually bullsh it as well because of the amount of changes that get made to the actual truth whilst rumour is being bandied about.If 'oddball nature' gets results and the club promoted, will you really care?? I doubt it.I can't see any signs of the club 'shooting itself in the foot'....please share them with me. :confused:

Oh look, it's the 'Speculation is a very dangerous thing'/'Be careful what you say here' line that you constantly trot out. Note the word reputed in my post. There's plenty of stories about his last term in charge, a few I know to be fact, where similar things happened. Everybody can't be wrong. The fact that problems with players appears to be happening again is what i'm referring to. Two players gone, what happens if there's a third? You don't find that a little alarming, no? (Make sure you say all the right things in your reply now ;) )

On another note, looks like CP is cured but has 'passed' on his disease to Jamie Nolan....

[joeSoap]

Note the word reputed in my post Reputed...my point exactly. I'm sure you know what that word means, and it wouldn't have to be used if people had actual facts rather than conjecture.


There's plenty of stories about his last term in charge, a few I know to be fact, where similar things happened.

If they are facts, then maybe you should share them publicly, or even call in to discuss them with Noel. You know where to find him, and I'm sure you'd be very welcome.


Everybody can't be wrong. The fact that problems with players appears to be happening again is what i'm referring to. Two players gone, what happens if there's a third? You don't find that a little alarming, no? (Make sure you say all the right things in your reply now ;) ).
As far as I'm aware only one player has officially left the squad, but maybe I'm wrong there.....but then again, people like you obviously have really good, informed sources so who am I to disagree with you.?? :confused:


On another note, looks like CP is cured but has 'passed' on his disease to Jamie Nolan....And who will ye choose next..... I wonder??

[sadloserkid]

And who will ye choose next..... I wonder??

Whoever clearly isn't good enough I suppose... that would be the obvious choice anyway. :rolleyes:

[deise deserter]

Joesoap:

While not trying to be argumentative maybe you should talk to NOC or the players yourself. The fact is that there is a substantial difference in the treatment of Cork players and Limerick/Kerry players. A blind man could see this in the way each group is treated and spoken to on the pitch. It is happening, we all knew that NOC has these personality flaws, and while I won't condemn him outright, my comment earlier in the year about NOC being an excellent coach and a terrible manager are ringing true it seems.

Crashing and burning...... same old same old.

[Nempton]

Originally by Joe Soap
Lets not forget that Paul Finnucane missed two glorious opportunities to score, Darren Young missed a header from 2 yards that a geriatric would have bagged, and that the same 'passenger', whilst poor, also provided a great drilled cross in the first half that if touched by anyone would have went in. The crossfield pass was disastrous...it led to the first goal, but so too did our inability to clear the ball properly(Wolfie and Finny) when it came in first, and then Steven 'forgot' to even jump with Sandvliet at the back post for a header that our keeper might have saved.So while it was a terrible terrible error, he wasn't the only one to blame.Lets start putting things into perspective here for a change, or maybe the rose coloured glasses could be adjusted
I think maybe Joe that its you who's wearing the rose coloured glasses. While Gael's account of the match is tainted with his frustration I think its fair to say that Drogheda deserved to win the match and by far played better football than what Limerick was capable of doing. There is an obvious gulf in class between both teams. I suppose thats the difference that results from being a full-time set up. We created half chances, the best been Brian Donnellans effort were he did very well to hit the target. When you mention the chances that we had, compare them to Drogheda's who constantly created clear cut chances. They should have easily have been up 2-0 at halftime. Limerick for the majority of the match contained Drogheda with the exception of ten minutes were we had a real go at them. Nolan's mistake inevitably led to the goal, because it was such a horrible mistake to make he has to bear the brunt of the criticism for the first goal. I've noticed a couple of times now that Jamie has the tendency to panic especially when he has too much time on the ball.

Nolan in the past few games has not performed well and his performance against Drogheda was so inept especially in the second half that you have to question what NOC was doing. While Jamie had a nightmare game, I think responsibility rests solely on NOC's shoulders because he should have taken off Nolan after sixty minutes. Once Jamie made that major blunder his heart was gone from the game which was blatantly obvious to everyone at the match even those wearing rose coloured glasses. NOC should have taken Nolan off, not O'Mahony and certainly not Robbie. It was poor management to which there can be no excuses.

[Nempton]

Originally by Joe Soap
Speculation is a very dangerous thing.Most of it is usually bullsh it as well because of the amount of changes that get made to the actual truth whilst rumour is being bandied about.If 'oddball nature' gets results and the club promoted, will you really care??
By all accounts Joe its not fabricated speculation thats emerging from the club but hard cold facts from different sources within. The only reason that no one is coming straight out with whats happening is simply because people wish to remain positive and supportive. NOC by all accounts is not a popular manager especially after the fiasco with Kerley's departure. But people are making a genuine effort to get behind him and not judge him on past experiences. But with whats emerging from behind the scenes, there are concerns being raised and rightly so. In regards to your comment below...

If they are facts, then maybe you should share them publicly, or even call in to discuss them with Noel. You know where to find him, and I'm sure you'd be very welcome.
I think you should appreciate the restraint been shown by certain people here in not broadcasting the different complaints and incidents that have occurred. Nor do I think NOC would appreciate you offering an open invitation to everyone to go to his place of business to air the clubs "dirty laundry". I think indiscretion would work best such as having a private meeting with the committee of the Supporters Club and dealing with these issues at hand.

[joeSoap]

I think maybe Joe that its you who's wearing the rose coloured glasses. While Gael's account of the match is tainted with his frustration I think its fair to say that Drogheda deserved to win the match and by far played better football than what Limerick was capable of doing. There is an obvious gulf in class between both teams. I suppose thats the difference that results from being a full-time set up. We created half chances, the best been Brian Donnellans effort were he did very well to hit the target. When you mention the chances that we had, compare them to Drogheda's who constantly created clear cut chances. They should have easily have been up 2-0 at halftime. Limerick for the majority of the match contained Drogheda with the exception of ten minutes were we had a real go at them. Nolan's mistake inevitably led to the goal, because it was such a horrible mistake to make he has to bear the brunt of the criticism for the first goal. I've noticed a couple of times now that Jamie has the tendency to panic especially when he has too much time on the ball..

Points taken, and mostly agreed upon. I never once indicated in any post that we deserved to get anything out of this game, but was merely trying to make people see that it wasn't entirely Jamie Nolans fault, as there was ample opportunity to clear the ball after he gave it away, and that we also had several decent chances(don't tell me that Darren Youngs header was a harder chance than Bryan Donnellans). Yes, Nolans mistake led to the chance and was didastrous, but surely you could see that we had half cleared the danger afterwards, and then Steven failed to jump with Sandvliet for the header.



Nolan in the past few games has not performed well and his performance against Drogheda was so inept especially in the second half that you have to question what NOC was doing. While Jamie had a nightmare game, I think responsibility rests solely on NOC's shoulders because he should have taken off Nolan after sixty minutes. Once Jamie made that major blunder his heart was gone from the game which was blatantly obvious to everyone at the match even those wearing rose coloured glasses. NOC should have taken Nolan off, not O'Mahony and certainly not Robbie. It was poor management to which there can be no excuses.Robbie had to be taken off...he spent the previous 5 mins charging around like a bull in a china shop and was defo going to pick up at least a yellow. The frustration of the evening probably got to him. As for Steven, well one of the back four had to be taken off, and he was the unlucky one, as his replacement can play up and down that wing.Maybe Jamie should have been taken off. Those calls are for the management who will live or die by the decisions they make at the end of the season. What amuses me to an extent is the way that Jamie Nolan now becomes the target simply because Colin O'Brien is starting to get it together.Noels always going to be criticised, no matter what decisions he makes, and is strong willed enough to stick to his guns on what he sees to be the right thing in team selection. Thats what he gets paid for.

Theres a lot of kudos to be gained it seems from managing a team of no ambition, no hope, and no preparation compared to an ambitious team, with a decent structure and management that is getting good results and going places.

Long may ye bemoan success.

[deise deserter]

Nempton:

Great post. All angles covered.

Gael 353:

Without a doubt I think that a meeting should be called to iron out these problems (and the many more that haven't yet been posted here yet) before they fester. The last thing we want is to cultivate another era of distrust and bad feeling between the club and everyone else. Things have gone relatively well to date. A problem has arisen - lets deal with it.

[LFC in Exile]

Lads, I don't know what the rumours are, except the general comments here. I wasn't at the game but was hardly surprised by the result. I am a bit surprised at the comments coming from within the club to supporters.

Obviously NOC is unpopular with some players. He is unpopular with some supporters too. I have been stunned at some of his decisions and downright disagree with his selections and substitutions. However, I don't know what goes on at training sessions. I don't know what he and Aidan Ryan talk about on the line. I presume he makes the decisions he makes in the interests of the team and club and in the heel of the hunt my opinion on team selection etc is irrelevant.

The squad is large. Too large to keep all players happy. If I was Hartnett, Hughes, Ahearne, Cosgrave, Lynch etc I would be browned off at kicking my heels. But there just isn't opportunity to give every player a game. And IMO consistency is team selection is important (and especially you don't change a winning team).

I don't know what a meeting between the SC and the club is intended to achieve. We are on an excellent run of results. Is it possible that some players disillusioned with the lack of first team opportunities are bad-mouthing NOC and the set-up? We are not hearing NOC's side of things and I am taking these comments (which are obviously coming from players) with a grain of salt - although I do not doubt for a second the bona fides of the lads here discussing them.This is kind of forum where these things should be discussed etc. But the SC and supporters can't be invovled in team selection or problems with training etc. That is the management's sole reponsibility. If we, as fans, don't like we can complain but can't have a say in how it should be done. If the club was at the bottom of the league we can call for the manager's head (as I'm sure we would) but given we are going well, if there was a meeting on this the manager would rightly say - I am two points from the top of the league how can you have a problem.

Are we worrying about something that is not a problem? IS it that the players popular with the fans are the ones losing out?

I don't have answers and I am not saying there are no problems. But are we getting things out of perspective. It was Drogheda we lost to.

[joeSoap]

Are we worrying about something that is not a problem? IS it that the players popular with the fans are the ones losing out?

I don't have answers and I am not saying there are no problems. But are we getting things out of perspective. It was Drogheda we lost to.

I think you hit the nail on the head there Dec...well said. :ball:

[femalefoot]

just to add a point, i really feel that the true supporters of limerick are been left in the dark at the moment. there is an awful lot happening inside that club that none of the supporting committee is aware of and i would fully encourage ye to set up more regular meetings with the management as ye are fully entitled to know the score. In my opinion it is an absolute disgrace how players are treated in there, you wouldn't treat a dog on the street with what noc does and says to players. limerick is a great club with such potential in the players and supporters but it is going to be a sorry season if noc is allowed carry on the way he is.

[fitzknows]

Good post LFC in Exile.
Havent made many Limerick matches this season as work in Dublin but from what i've seen so far this season is unrecognisable to the past few seasons. Even if we had gotten promoted the season we made the playoffs i am pretty sure we wouldnt have survived in the Premier league as things werent right off the field.
But if LFC keep getting the results like they have been getting recently then they will be promoted and even the most optomistic of us werent predicting that at the start of the season.
Was at the Drogheda game and to be fair Limerick didnt let themselves down. Have watched Drogheda a few times this season and on their day they can take most teams in the Premier league apart. They are very well run and have quality players. Lets be honest, how many of the Limerick players would make the Drogheda team. I'm not going to guess a number but it would be very few if any.
But Limerick werent taken apart and the goal came at a bad time. Who knows what would have happened if Donnellan had scored earlier, and in fairness to Donnellan on the night, he was as good as any player on the full time professional side. There is no reason why Limerick cant be as good as Drogheda and better. We have a bigger city and if things keep going the way they have been then there is every chance that in a few years we can challenge any side in the country. Fair play to the lads who vent their fustration on this forum and fair play to the lads who also defend the side because at least ye give a damn about the city's football team. But there is a small group of us and infighting doesnt help. Debate is good but so is uniting behind the team. As long as the debate is kept to this forum and the side is supported no matter what on the Friday night then we will be alot better off. Danny Drew looks like a fairly shrewd character from what i've seen of him and if there is something rotten i'm sure he wont be long sorting it out.

[4tothefloor]

If they are facts, then maybe you should share them publicly, or even call in to discuss them with Noel. You know where to find him, and I'm sure you'd be very welcome.
So let me get this straight, you would prefer if the clubs dirty laundry was aired in public, and not only that, but you also think it is a good idea to call in to NOC during business hours and have it out with him there?! I'm sure Noel will be delighted to find out that his PR man is openly inviting hostility to himself and his business. Cop on to yourself.

As you can clearly see (providing those rose tinted glasses are off), I'm not the only one who is aware of these problems. But I suppose we're all wrong and you're right. Nempton is the one that has hit the nail on the head here, he has written everything I have to say on the matter. You should be commending people here for the restraint they're showing, instead of inviting a free-for-all. This forum exists to discuss these type of things, you should know that. And as Deise said, maybe you need to talk to NOC and the players more, cos everybody here except yourself seems to know and sees whats going on?? As I've said already, my main worry is that we are heading down the same old road of infighting and generally being our own worst enemy. Being second in the table won't last long if there's problems in the camp.

BTW, Jamie Nolan has been poor for a while now, and consistantly poor performances = criticism. It's a fact of life in football, so get over it. CP isn't being criticised anymore because he is putting in the effort now, and that's all the fans have ever asked of him to be fair.

[joeSoap]

I get the feeling here with some people that we could be 10 points clear at the top of the Premier and ye would still find time to whine like babies. I can guarantee you that you don't know the full facts of what goes on in the training/playing side of the club, yet ye're perfectly happy to listen to whatever rumour or conjecture there is flying about simply because of personal dislikes for Noel O'Connor.As I said earlier, he's the one paid to do the job. Don't tell me that he's not doing 10 times better than anyone pedicted, forecasted or would settle for at the start of the season(theres proof of this in earlier threads at the start of the season). He's the one that makes decisions about on-field activities, not you, not me, not anybody else...him!!

We all have our favourites, or friends, that we'd like to see playing. By and large the squad respect his decisions and get on with their jobs...if there was so much 'disunity' and rancour amongst certain players over alleged 'ill treatment' then we woldn't be in the strong position that we are.So, I do urge you to either pm me with the details of these so called mistreatment allegations, or complain directly to Noel as I already said. He certainly doesn't mind speaking to fans about issues, and welcomes a visit. It's not the inconvenience you seem to think it is.

Criticise by all means...just try and keep it constructive, not personal. Everybody has the right to an opinion; especially the manager who must do as he sees fit to get results...or could you do a better job??

[deise deserter]

Sorry to do this but:

Joesoap: "I can guarantee you that you don't know the full facts of what goes on in the training/playing side of the club, yet ye're perfectly happy to listen to whatever rumour or conjecture there is flying about simply because of personal dislikes for Noel O'Connor."

First af all we should probably put this is it rumour or is it fact thing in order. It is fact. It has come from a number of sourcs within the club who are both anti and pro NOC. It isn't just the haters getting on his back.

Joesoap: "So, I do urge you to either pm me with the details of these so called mistreatment allegations, or complain directly to Noel as I already said. He certainly doesn't mind speaking to fans about issues, and welcomes a visit. It's not the inconvenience you seem to think it is."

I for one am not going to call into NOC in his place of business and air my grievances. It's not the correct place to do that, and to do it there would be the height of ignorance imho. We should have meetings with the club on a regular basis as they promised earlier. We didn't push it initally as things were busy and they needed the time and freedom.

Joe as their PR guy I'm going to hand it to you to communicate our unhappiness with the issues at present and to set up a meeting with them at the earlist possible opportunity so we can end this thread and stop airing dirty laundry in public when it really is unnecessary.

[Daydreamer]

Lads,
Might i just add that foot .ie is definitley not the place to be discussing
what goes on in our club,it just shows everybody outside of lmk that there
is hassle in the camp ,if the results start going against us the talk will be
that all of this is because there is unrest in the dressing room and with the
supporters,ok we all think there are certain players that are not in the the team and they should be ,but at the end of the day we have come along way in the last 2 months and like it or not Noc has been the cause of that....

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

'but at the end of the day we have come along way in the last 2 months and like it or not Noc has been the cause of that....'

Lads with all this talk of NOC, i think everyone is fogetting that at the end of the day, its the players we really have to thank for getting us where we are. Sometimes people forget that players get managers out of holes that they have dug for themselves.

Lest not forget our top scorer was dropped at the start of the season,hardly played for 4 games,put in to midfield to accomadate someone else up front,dropped again before scoring 3 times in 3 games.I will give NOC credit for 'helping' the team get to this position but to suggest he has been the cause is pushing it that bit too far surely..

[Nempton]

Originally by LFC In Exile
Is it possible that some players disillusioned with the lack of first team opportunities are bad-mouthing NOC and the set-up?
No, some in the first team as well as those behind the scenes have told us certain things that have occurred. By all accounts it's not rumours. I think everyone here wishes it was because then we could just choose to ignore it. Joe says that we couldn't possibly know what goes on in training and he is correct, but neither does Joe know what exactly goes on at training and he is the PR for the club. Joe goes by what NOC or whoever else tells him and we are going by what people involved in the club has told us. At best NOC should be informed about the unhappiness emerging from all quarters and address the issue.

Originally by Joe Soap
I get the feeling here with some people that we could be 10 points clear at the top of the Premier and ye would still find time to whine like babies...Criticise by all means...just try and keep it constructive, not personal. Everybody has the right to an opinion
A little bit patronising and hypocritical Joe, I know your frustrated especially since you are responsible for PR and now the focal point for Limerick fans posting here. So far in this thread I haven't seen anything derogative said about NOC, any comment made has been related to him in his post as manager and nothing else. So far people have voiced their opinion and to answer your quote above, we have supported the team and got behind them when they have been bottom of the league and we'll do the same when they are on top. We are not lemmings who follow the club blindly wherever it may lead us. Well I know I'm not certainly fickle and shallow, if I see or hear something that I disagree with I'll voice my opinion whether people like it or not, regardless of 'oddball' management taking us to the top. As LFC In Exile said and it was a post that you agreed with,
If we, as fans, don't like we can complain

[4tothefloor]

Just to add....


ye're perfectly happy to listen to whatever rumour or conjecture there is flying about simply because of personal dislikes for Noel O'Connor.


We all have our favourites, or friends, that we'd like to see playing.
Firstly, I have no personal dislike of Noel O'Connor. I do not know him and have never had any personal dealings with him. I have no problems with his chicken pieces, steaks or pork chops either. Any criticism from me on NOC is based on NOC the football manager and based on fact. Secondly, I do not know any of the Limerick players personally, nor do I socialise with any of them, or ever talk to any of them on a personal level. So I have no 'favourites' or 'friends' that i'd like to see in the team either.


Criticise by all means...just try and keep it constructive, not personal. There's no personal stuff coming from me (read the above), and as far as I can see there's none coming from anybody else in this thread either. What's being said here is constructive, because we are commenting on fact. You're just being overly defensive about anything said against NOC, and seem to be taking things said here personally.

[Éanna]

I get the feeling here with some people that we could be 10 points clear at the top of the Premier and ye would still find time to whine like babies. Hey, thats what City fans do. Find something else to moan about :p :D

[declan hide]

[QUOTE=4tothefloor] I have no problems with his chicken pieces, steaks or pork chops either. QUOTE]

fantastic :D :D :D

you have to feel sorry for auld joesoap tho...everyone agreeing with him last season...almost eveyone disagreeing with him now...hes doing a good job with the programme though i's like to see a crossword.

[joeSoap]

Looks like his reputed oddball nature is rearing it's head.Good job thats not personal then...


I do not know any of the Limerick players personally, nor do I socialise with any of them, or ever talk to any of them on a personal level

then, tell me , where do you get your'reputed facts'?? such as :confused:

There's plenty of stories about his last term in charge, a few I know to be fact, where similar things happened

At the end of the day, he's the manager, and does as he sees fit. Which is what any manager worth his salt will do. He certainly shouldn't be swayed by what we as fans think. And he won't be either. Be as critical of his team selections, results, managerial style as is the right of any fan to do, but no fans have the right to demand meetings to discuss team welfare with any manager.Nor are his training methods, and personal relationships with players anybody elses business but their own. If the results aren't right as a result of his actions, then I could easily understand frustrations, but for Gods sake, we're challenging for promotion far earlier than we should be, and things are a million percent better than they were. I'm really at a loss on this one.....

[deise deserter]

Joesoap:

You're right. They shouldn't complain to NOC - they should go to the PFAI. The fact that there is discrimination towards certain players is grounds for a legal action to be taken.

[joeSoap]

Joesoap:

You're right. They shouldn't complain to NOC - they should go to the PFAI. The fact that there is discrimination towards certain players is grounds for a legal action to be taken.
If he(they) feel that this is necessary, then by all means....I fail to see how not pickng players in a large squad is discriminatory.It is the managers right to choose his team on how he sees individuals perform in training and in games, and he obviously has his preferred players....name me a manager that doesn't...just because a token few squad players and fans don't agree with it then that hardly constitutes the human rights abuses I seem to be hearing from some...

[deise deserter]

With respect, I don't think you are talking about the same topic as the rest of us Joe. The abuse that has been hurled at Limerick players this season has been atrocious and unnecessary, while the Cork boys can do no wrong and can turn up for matches in(or out) whatever state of mind they wish. A serious breach of professionalism by a Cork player was recently met with a "let's not say a word lads" and an immediate re-instatment into the first team. Other Limerick players do their parts better and recieve torrential abuse for it despite good performances and a high level of professionalism.

Add to the fact that MOS and RMM (from last years stooges) were at the gate at the recent Cup game being involved in counting the numbers coming through the gate. Who here remembers Derry? There are a number of issues aside from the poor management decisions that need to be cleared up.

Get answers for us please Joe.

[joeSoap]

With respect, I don't think you are talking about the same topic as the rest of us Joe. The abuse that has been hurled at Limerick players this season has been atrocious and unnecessary, while the Cork boys can do no wrong and can turn up for matches in(or out) whatever state of mind they wish. A serious breach of professionalism by a Cork player was recently met with a "let's not say a word lads" and an immediate re-instatment into the first team. Other Limerick players do their parts better and recieve torrential abuse for it despite good performances and a high level of professionalism.
With equal respect, matters such as this are, quite frankly, nobodys business except the players and the team management. I'm not a party to what goes on on the training ground, the dressing room or the playing pitch, and I don't want to be either.None of us are, we're fans and while its commendable that concern is shown, its also a little worrying that players are running back to people with these tales, especialy people whom they don't concern.





Add to the fact that MOS and RMM (from last years stooges) were at the gate at the recent Cup game being involved in counting the numbers coming through the gate. Who here remembers Derry? There are a number of issues aside from the poor management decisions that need to be cleared up.

Get answers for us please Joe.AFAIK, as this was our first FAI Cup game under the new regime, Danny asked the aforementioned their advice as they had experience of how the gate checking works etc at cup games. Regarding Derry, thats a seperate issue as this was not a home gate for us as the Derry one in question was. No sense in what you're inferring, although I do realise and understand your concern on that one.

[deise deserter]

I'm not inferring anything. We all KNOW what happened with them. I will have nothing to do with the club in terms of helping with ticket sales etc until these guys are COMPLETELY uninvolved.

[joeSoap]

I'm not inferring anything. We all KNOW what happened with them. I will have nothing to do with the club in terms of helping with ticket sales etc until these guys are COMPLETELY uninvolved.
Thats fair enough. As I said earlier though, I presume their involvement the other night was just to show Danny the procedures a chairman must observe at cup games.

[deise deserter]

Why not Pat Cross then? I doubt there is a sinister agenda but to involve the people that gave Limerick such a bad name in this was foolish to say the least, and not a move I expected to see from DD.

[4tothefloor]

lads im sick of reading this **** yer draging down the good name lfc is after getting one man appointed noc that was danny any problems ye have with the running the team or the club he will listen ring him on 087******* between 7.30pm and 9.30pm the rest of the time the phone is off leave a message and he WILL ring you back item closed

Lads if ye don't want to read it, don't come on to this forum. This forum exists for Limerick supporters to discuss all aspects of the club, both good and bad. If there are stories circling around, which are eminating from players and staff within the club, we are obviously going to discuss it and be alarmed by it. Joe, I or any supporter, doesn't need to talk to the players directly to be aware of what is going on, and you well know that. I believe my sources, who do talk with the players, because they're not into spreading false rumours. So stop being so pedantic with your replies. (BTW, my reference to his 'oddball nature' was with regard to him falling out with players in the past, and now in the present. Again, a reference to his management style, not a personal attack)

For the record, I don't agree that the SC should get a meeting with club officials or management over this, as the area of the club regarding playing personnel is none of our business. What I do take exception to is people on here trying to convince us blind that black is blue, that facts are just rumour, and telling us that we shouldn't be discussing this because we're 'dragging down the good name lfc is after getting'. Ironic really when you consider that the only people who have ever dragged LFC down are the people who have run the club, not the supporters. Because of that, it's our job to never let that happen again, and asking questions when stuff like this happens is part of that. NOC might be manager, and i'll be supporting him and the lads all the way on Friday night, but it doesn't mean he can't be criticised just because we're up near the top of the table.

willie john, no offence but giving out someones personal mobile number on the internet suggests to me that you are either a) stupid or b) you are Danny Drew himself. So which is it?!

[LFC in Exile]

I agree with 4tothefloor here. This forum is for anything to do with LFC - not just good news stories. As long as nobody writes anything personal or offensive (and if they do they will be pulled by a mod or a fellow poster) then all is fair game. I disagree with a lot of the opinions of posters in relation to player selection, NOC's ability as a manager, the SC meeting the club etc but if everyone did agree then I wouldn't bother coming on here anymore.

Those involved with the club should look at other football clubs message boards and see that LFC fans are not alone in criticising things at their club. Even the Chelsea fans are unhappy about something - it comes with the territory. Most of the posts here are positive and upbeat - why react badly to a few negative ones?

Finally, nobody should doubt that the one thing LFC has is a really dedicated hardcore of fans who have shown in the most difficult times that all the want is the club to thrive and progress. Any criticism is a case of tough love. :ball:

[deise deserter]

Agree with that. Our board is quite a positive one even in it's criticism. Look back in this post and all you see are people who are genuinely concerned, people who want the best for the club. Nobody is involved in slagging matches on this board - wise up and stop attacking those with a genuine interest and concern about our players.

[Pauliwallnuts]

lads im sick of reading this **** yer draging down the good name lfc is after getting one man appointed noc that was danny any problems ye have with the running the team or the club he will listen ring him on 087******* between 7.30pm and 9.30pm the rest of the time the phone is off leave a message and he WILL ring you back item closed

That is not Dannys number but will you tell me what you think you are doing trying to give out numbers on the internet. That is just not on. :mad:

[sadloserkid]

If Willie John's last post is anything to go by the first lesson Danny Drew should be taking on board from Michael O'Sullivan is how to thicken his skin.

I don't want to repeat what 4tothefloor and Nempton in particular have already said so eloquently but I think it's getting a bit farcicial here at this point. Pretty much everybody on the board is happy overall with our progress and says so too but at the first sign of criticism poor JoeSoap is left to dash about like an overworked firefighter dousing out the flames of criticism.

Regardless of the correctness of players 'telling tales' at this stage it's pretty clear that there are a few problems in the camp. People here have shown tremendous restraint in my opinion not to come right out and print what's been said. Danny Drew himself was quick enough to have a go at Paul Finucane during the Drogheda match at one point let's not forget. And there are more serious accusations being bandied about than Paul misplacing a clearance too!

I'm thrilled that we're third in the table and only 2 points off the top (hopefully even closer after tonights game) but the sheer volume of stories emanating from the Limerick camp is worrying. I heard yesterday that Timmy Lynch had left as well so that's three players who have left in about two weeks and at least two of them feel they were harshly treated. That is a worry for fans who want a united team and good results.

On an aside I wish Noel would at least acknowledge the possibility of promotion. Show a little faith in your players Noel, by and large they haven't left you down so far! We have nothing to be afraid of. :)

[willie john]

Lads if ye don't want to read it, don't come on to this forum. This forum exists for Limerick supporters to discuss all aspects of the club, both good and bad. If there are stories circling around, which are eminating from players and staff within the club, we are obviously going to discuss it and be alarmed by it. Joe, I or any supporter, doesn't need to talk to the players directly to be aware of what is going on, and you well know that. I believe my sources, who do talk with the players, because they're not into spreading false rumours. So stop being so pedantic with your replies. (BTW, my reference to his 'oddball nature' was with regard to him falling out with players in the past, and now in the present. Again, a reference to his management style, not a personal attack)

For the record, I don't agree that the SC should get a meeting with club officials or management over this, as the area of the club regarding playing personnel is none of our business. What I do take exception to is people on here trying to convince us blind that black is blue, that facts are just rumour, and telling us that we shouldn't be discussing this because we're 'dragging down the good name lfc is after getting'. Ironic really when you consider that the only people who have ever dragged LFC down are the people who have run the club, not the supporters. Because of that, it's our job to never let that happen again, and asking questions when stuff like this happens is part of that. NOC might be manager, and i'll be supporting him and the lads all the way on Friday night, but it doesn't mean he can't be criticised just because we're up near the top of the table.

willie john, no offence but giving out someones personal mobile number on the internet suggests to me that you are either a) stupid or b) you are Danny Drew himself. So which is it?!
he told me to do it .its a club moible put the number up and let anybody who has a problem ring him

[Pauliwallnuts]

Well if that is actually the case then why didn't you say so in the 1st place.

I wouldn't have thought that Danny wouldn't be too worried about anything said here. Surely he has better things to be doing with his time.