Glazer's Plans

[ColinR]

but that is because they are realising more. they maybe could have sold circa 50,000 last season, but will sell max 45,000 this year. we'll never know this because last year they only realised 40k tickets

[Macy]

Where was their campaign and FC United when man U became a PLC?
Shareholders United have been campaigning for many years to get fans to buy shares to block this type of deal.

One of the early things IMUSA did was start a share club to enable fans to but up small amounts of shares in blocks (this reducing broker fees).

Both organisations successfully combined to see off the Murdoch bid.

IMUSA is 10 years old, and has fought the plc over many aspects that they've tried to do to "maximise profit"/ gentrify OT.

If the floatation had been done in a more fan friendly way, then ultimately United wouldn't be in this position. Step forward Fartin Martin Edwards for that great decision...

[Slash/ED]

Shareholders United have been campaigning for many years to get fans to buy shares to block this type of deal.

One of the early things IMUSA did was start a share club to enable fans to but up small amounts of shares in blocks (this reducing broker fees).

Both organisations successfully combined to see off the Murdoch bid.

IMUSA is 10 years old, and has fought the plc over many aspects that they've tried to do to "maximise profit"/ gentrify OT.

If the floatation had been done in a more fan friendly way, then ultimately United wouldn't be in this position. Step forward Fartin Martin Edwards for that great decision...

Indeed, so why wasn't FC United brought around then? If you want to talk about RIP Man U and all of that, it died when you floated on the stock exchange. This was merely the next logical step.

[ColinR]

Indeed, so why wasn't FC United brought around then? If you want to talk about RIP Man U and all of that, it died when you floated on the stock exchange. This was merely the next logical step.

because up until now, it was still possible that imusa and su could get enough shares eventually to control the club.

is it sooooo difficult to understand :rolleyes:

[Slash/ED]

because up until now, it was still possible that imusa and su could get enough shares eventually to control the club.

is it sooooo difficult to understand :rolleyes:

Yes, it is. It seems to be that up until now floating on the stock exchange has brought Man U success and riches and so they've been in the backround. Now it looks to be biting them on the arse in a perfectly fair, legal and moral way and they're off forming their own club. This should have been done long ago.

[Macy]

Indeed, so why wasn't FC United brought around then? If you want to talk about RIP Man U and all of that, it died when you floated on the stock exchange. This was merely the next logical step.
In many ways Glazer is the straw that broke the camels back, but it'd be wrong to suggest that everything was rosy when it was simply a plc. Whilst it remained a plc, fans were buying up shares with the aim to have a blocking stake - obviously this bid came too soon. FC United was initially planned at the time of the Murdoch bid, it's been resurrected now.

[Slash/ED]

In many ways Glazer is the straw that broke the camels back, but it'd be wrong to suggest that everything was rosy when it was simply a plc. Whilst it remained a plc, fans were buying up shares with the aim to have a blocking stake - obviously this bid came too soon. FC United was initially planned at the time of the Murdoch bid, it's been resurrected now.

Well even so, I'm clearly missing something with Glazer here. What is so bad about him that people are off forming their own clubs? All I can see is he's giving Fergusson a max od 25m to soend, when the previous board said he wouldn't get a penny as he spent the summer transfer budget on Rooney, and rumoured to be upping ticket prices, which I think he has since denied, to a level still below Chelseas.

What is so bad about Glazer? The only other thing we know about him is he took a nothing team and won the superbowl with them.

[Macy]

Yes, it is. It seems to be that up until now floating on the stock exchange has brought Man U success and riches and so they've been in the backround. Now it looks to be biting them on the arse in a perfectly fair, legal and moral way and they're off forming their own club. This should have been done long ago.
Just because you haven't heard of the stuff that IMUSA has been doing in the background doesn't mean they haven't been doing anything. Of course Shareholders United are only going to get media coverage when there's issue's over shares.

And for the last time, success on the field brought the riches that was taken out of the club by the stock exchange, not the other way round. I repeat, how come Spurs haven't been challenging, despite being a plc for years before United, if the stock exchange is the main factor?

[Slash/ED]

Just because you haven't heard of the stuff that IMUSA has been doing in the background doesn't mean they haven't been doing anything. Of course Shareholders United are only going to get media coverage when there's issue's over shares.

And for the last time, success on the field brought the riches that was taken out of the club by the stock exchange, not the other way round. I repeat, how come Spurs haven't been challenging, despite being a plc for years before United, if the stock exchange is the main factor?

It wasn't the only factor, but it undoubtabley helped. And Spurs aren't the brand name Man U are, and always were, so couldn't get the same out of floating.

[Macy]

Well even so, I'm clearly missing something with Glazer here. What is so bad about him that people are off forming their own clubs? All I can see is he's giving Fergusson a max od 25m to soend, when the previous board said he wouldn't get a penny as he spent the summer transfer budget on Rooney, and rumoured to be upping ticket prices, which I think he has since denied, to a level still below Chelseas.

What is so bad about Glazer? The only other thing we know about him is he took a nothing team and won the superbowl with them.
I give up if people won't bother reading the thread.... :rolleyes:

25 million is a cap, not the budget.

He's saddling the club with millions of debt, that will have to be serviced. Only way to do this is to up ticket prices/ sell players/ reduce spending. He's taking money out of the club, not putting any in, and at a level the plc wouldn't dream of.

Tampa have done fook all since that win, and ask Tampa fans about how fan friendly Glazers ticketing policy is.

[ColinR]

Well even so, I'm clearly missing something with Glazer here. What is so bad about him that people are off forming their own clubs? All I can see is he's giving Fergusson a max od 25m to soend, when the previous board said he wouldn't get a penny as he spent the summer transfer budget on Rooney, and rumoured to be upping ticket prices, which I think he has since denied, to a level still below Chelseas.

What is so bad about Glazer? The only other thing we know about him is he took a nothing team and won the superbowl with them.

you mean the only thing you know about glazer.

what about that he treatened to take the bucceneers out of tampa?, what about sueing their season ticket holders?, what about the amount of personal debt he has loaded the club with?, what about his actual ticket rises in tampa....the list does go on and on. a quick google and maybe you'll know more than 'one' thing.

btw, how well are the bucs doing lately???

[Slash/ED]

I give up if people won't bother reading the thread.... :rolleyes:

25 million is a cap, not the budget.

He's saddling the club with millions of debt, that will have to be serviced. Only way to do this is to up ticket prices/ sell players/ reduce spending. He's taking money out of the club, not putting any in, and at a level the plc wouldn't dream of.

Tampa have done fook all since that win, and ask Tampa fans about how fan friendly Glazers ticketing policy is.

25m is the cap not the budget but it beats 0m which is what the previous board said Fergusson would have to spend.

He may well up ticket prices but they're still lower than Chelseas, I can't see him selling any players, and you can't reduce spending further than 0.

I'm sure if I asked any Tampa fan they would say that winning a superbowl then doing fcuk all beats doing fcuk all the whole time


what about that he treatened to take the bucceneers out of tampa?, what about sueing their season ticket holders?, what about the amount of personal debt he has loaded the club with?, what about his actual ticket rises in tampa....the list does go on and on. a quick google and maybe you'll know more than 'one' think.

btw, how well are the bucs doing lately???

He threatened to take them out, and it was a good business move. It got a brand new and quite impressive looking stadium built, good business sense, the kind you should want to see at Man U. Didn't know of the sueing, what's the story there? Every major sportsteam has debt, and the ticket rises will come for Man U eventually anyway, as the best supported team in England it's a simple case of supply and demand.

I'd imagine the Bucs are doing no worse than before he took over and have one superbowl to their name.

[pete]

I repeat, how come Spurs haven't been challenging, despite being a plc for years before United, if the stock exchange is the main factor?

Spurs have been one of the most profitable Premiership clubs because have high ticket prices.

I respect genuine fans but can't help feeling a lot of bandwagon merchants when Manchester United are mentioned. However it is interesting to hear little concern amoung irish day tripper fans - suppose few quid extra per ticket doesn't make much difference for the few times a year they travel.

[Macy]

suppose few quid extra per ticket doesn't make much difference for the few times a year they travel.
That's what Glazer is relying on. I mean if you go 2 games a season would a tenner on a ticket make much difference, when the total trip is €200-300? It's whether there's enough of the day trippers, especially if the team aren't successful is the question.

It's kinda the same with Season Tickets/LMTB's - they've been in that short supply that people will buy them when extra come up, and people find it hard to give up Season Tickets that they've had for years. Took me several years after I realised that I was never going to move back to Manch to give up my book.....

[Jaime]

25 million is a cap, not the budget.


In that case, you are talking about the possibility of Glazer/his reps trying to influence transfer policy. I don't think that this will happen; surely they know that Ferguson will want complete control of buying / selling?

[tiktok]

In that case, you are talking about the possibility of Glazer/his reps trying to influence transfer policy. I don't think that this will happen; surely they know that Ferguson will want complete control of buying / selling?

They'll influence it the same way the board always have, they won't sign players, but they'll control how much is made available to buy players

[Schumi]

It's kinda the same with Season Tickets/LMTB's - they've been in that short supply that people will buy them when extra come up, and people find it hard to give up Season Tickets that they've had for years. Took me several years after I realised that I was never going to move back to Manch to give up my book.....
What does LMTB stand for incidentally?

[Macy]

What does LMTB stand for incidentally?
League Match Ticket Book.

Difference between that and a Season ticket used to be that Season Ticket covered cup games as well, so ST was more expensive. Now the difference is that with a Season Ticket you're garanteed tickets for home cup games, and have more "rights" to away tickets, finals etc. Same price now though, and no saving cost wise as paying in each match anymore either (which both would've been) - they removed that a few seasons ago.

[Macy]

For anyone at all arsed, FC United got were accepted to the North West Counties League, Division 2 for next season. They'll be ground sharing with Droylsden.

[Poor Student]

For anyone at all arsed, FC United got were accepted to the North West Counties League, Division 2 for next season. They'll be ground sharing with Droylsden.

How many flights below the Conference North is that? The club has potential. AFC Wimbledon have ripped apart opposition in their first two seasons with their massive backing for a non-league club. Any big names agreed to lend a hand?

[Slash/ED]

Since Solksjaer (Probably buthered his name there) was part of Shareholders United I wonder would he be likely to join in the near future?

[Macy]

To league football....
NWCL2
NWCL1
Unibond First Division
Unibond Premier Division
Conference North
National Conference

[Poor Student]

To league football....
NWCL2
NWCL1
Unibond First Division
Unibond Premier Division
Conference North
National Conference

That's a long hard ardous treck. So are people permenently abandoning MUFC for FC United? Are you Macy? What happens if Glazer is forced out? Will they disband?

[Macy]

That's a long hard ardous treck. So are people permenently abandoning MUFC for FC United? Are you Macy? What happens if Glazer is forced out? Will they disband?
"FC United exists for disenfranchised Manchester United fans, and will continue to exist as long as there is disenfranchised Manchester United fans" is the official line.

If Glazer went, and the fans were in a position to have a significant say in how Manchester United is run most would go back. However, as I've said before Glazer was very much the straw that broke the camels back - FC United was mooted and planned back in 1999 when Murdoch was trying to take over. Hence it's got moving so quickly this time.

It's hard to turn your back on a club you've supported for so long, so I don't really know what I (or anyone else) will be doing. I'd say there'll be a lot supporting both - I mean how often does MUFC play at 3pm on a Saturday. I've contributed to FC United financially, and plan to get to a few games next season. I won't be renewing my MUFC membership (long since stopped getting shirts or anything anyway), or buying tickets for OT.

[pete]

Have any Manchester United supporter clubs in Ireland joined in the anti-Glazer coalition?

[De Town]

Have any Manchester United supporter clubs in Ireland joined in the anti-Glazer coalition?
As a Utd fan, I dunno what to think. Macy lived in Manchester AFAIK for a while and he seems to have really got into the whole FC United thing. Personally, I am not happy that a stable club has gone into such debt because of some American tool. I will probably still support Man Utd but will also support FC United.