Liverpool wil defend their title!

[Armando]

ITV Sport have just announced that Liverpool will enter at the 3rd qualifying round of next years Champions league. No further details at this time.

[De Town]

ITV Sport have just announced that Liverpool will enter at the 3rd qualifying round of next years Champions league. No further details at this time.
Ah fcuk that anyway :mad:

They should have been put in at the 1st qualifying round :rolleyes:

[4tothefloor]

Fantastic news, a chance now for cup number 6. Yes Man Utd fans, that is 6 (six) you are looking at there, for we have 5, yes 5 (five) European Cups won already..... :D

[Frank Blue]

Nothing has been decided, yet. It looks like it will go in their favour, but nothing truly decided at this moment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4613695.stm

[4tothefloor]

Yeah, I don't know where ITV are getting their information from but every other news channel is awaiting the decision at lunchtime. They seem adament that Liverpool are in in the third round, but nobody else is running this story this morning. :confused:

[backodanet]

ya i found that strange too they seem think that because lenart johason follows english football especially arsenal that he will push for them to be in it .......we'll have to wait and see

[gustavo]

its official now , they will start from the first qualifiying round


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4613695.stm

[KK77]

Fair enough decision me thinks. It won't affect the players as they are back pre-season June 27 regardless as well if they progress through the rounds their original pre-season games will be cancelled so in effect the pre-qualifying games will be their pre-season games so all in not too bad. Maybe Shels in the first rd!!!!!!!!!

[anto1208]

a slovakian team has apparently been taken out , they will miss out on the money and wont even get a uefa cup spot , if this is true its very poor form , also ive heard liverpool are in the first qualifing rounds as lowest ranking english team

[ciaran76]

Sad thing is Slovakian champions will get have to "pre-qualify" now.

UEFA said no one would be affected by such a decision to include the team that finished 37 points behind Chelsea! :p

[anto1208]

Fantastic news, a chance now for cup number 6. Yes Man Utd fans, that is 6 (six) you are looking at there, for we have 5, yes 5 (five) European Cups won already..... :D

change the record , stop living in the past thats over 3 weeks ago :D

[ciaran76]

I believe Liverpool miss out on their money spinning tour of Japan now cos of the dates of the Qualifing rounds. :eek:

[anto1208]

its a first round qual, so they have to play 6 games to get in . starting 12 july .
and yes chelsea ars, utd and everton the team s that properly qualified will loose out on money because of them .

poor form from uefa , i wanted them back in but not at the expense of another team now its costing 5 other teams !!


http://skysports.planetfootball.com/LIST.ASP?HLID=283610

[Éanna]

absolute bloody disgrace. yet again UEFA bow to money :mad: I've always had a soft spot for liverpool, not anymore

[noby]

Sad thing is Slovakian champions will get have to "pre-qualify" now.



Not true.
The top seeded team (from Romania) is actually bumped up a round, and the same for the top seeded team in QR2 (from Poland), and QR3 (from Turkey, now straight into the group stages)



yet again UEFA bow to money

The whole competition is based on bowing to money, so why change now.






and yes chelsea ars, utd and everton the team s that properly qualified will loose out on money because of them


That's assuming they all qualify for the first group stage, as that's the money they're talking about.
With Liverpool having no country protection, don't be surprised to see an all-English, all-merseyside even, third round.

[fosterdollar]

Liverpool will be allowed to defend their Champions League crown next season.

UEFA’s 14-man executive committee today decided to make a special case to allow the Reds into the first qualifying round of the competition next season.

It means Liverpool will have to play six matches in order to qualify for the group phase and it could interfere with their pre-season tour of Japan.

Liverpool, who failed to finish in a qualifying place in the Barclays Premiership, will become the fifth English side in the competition.

UEFA have also taken steps to ensure that the same scenario never occurs again by changing the rules so that in the future the titleholders will always qualify for the competition the following season.



If the Liverpool situation occurs again and the European champions fail to finish in a qualifying place in their domestic competition however they will come in at the expense of the fourth-placed side.

The rules will also apply for countries who only get three or two Champions League spots, but there will be a special exemption in the unlikely event of a country with one Champion League spot winning the competition but failing to win their own domestic league.

From breakingnews.ie

[fosterdollar]

Some minnows are in for a dream draw with them going in on the 1st qualifier

[OwlsFan]

But the other English teams if all qualify will get less of the "pot" because of Liverpool.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4613695.stm

[stojkovic]

absolute bloody disgrace. yet again UEFA bow to money :mad: I've always had a soft spot for liverpool, not anymore
In fairness its not Liverpool's fault.
Public opinion and the hierarchy across Europe WANTED them back in.
Its a democracy and the silly rule has now been changed so it will NEVER happen again. If a team wins it, it will be at the expense of the fourth placed team (if a country has four places).

I do think its the right decision.

[ciaran76]

In fairness its not Liverpool's fault.
Public opinion and the hierarchy across Europe WANTED them back in.
Its a democracy and the silly rule has now been changed so it will NEVER happen again. If a team wins it, it will be at the expense of the fourth placed team (if a country has four places).

I do think its the right decision.


If it was a silly rule why didn't they change it back when R.Madrid won it but finished outside the auto qualifing stage ? :confused:

[stojkovic]

If it was a silly rule why didn't they change it back when R.Madrid won it but finished outside the auto qualifing stage ? :confused:
As has been debated numerous times, they didnt have to make a decision then because the Spanish FA made it for them. The (English) FA are too stubborn as they invented the game etc etc

[Karlos]

The (English) FA are too stubborn as they invented the game etc etc

An organisation that follows the rules as they are given to them by their governing body - deisgraceful behaviour from the English FA alright!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[fosterdollar]

An organisation that follows the rules as they are given to them by their governing body - deisgraceful behaviour from the English FA altogether!! :rolleyes:
The problem was the 'rule' was passed on for interpretation. UEFA bottled it and left it up to the local FA to decide.

[Karlos]

The problem was the 'rule' was passed on for interpretation. UEFA bottled it and left it up to the local FA to decide.

I agree. At least the FA stuck by what they said (i.e top 4 qualify) and then lobbyed for the extra spot with UEFA so that all 5 english clubs could participate. Now they are being accused of being stubborn. Nearly wish they hadn't bothered to help out now as without their involement their mightn't have been the rule change that has occured today i.e. if they had kicked Everton out for liverpool this rule would never have even been considered to be changed :rolleyes:

This was a UEFA problem with the competition rules. The Holders should always be allowed defend the trophy - that rule has thankfully now changed.

[Macy]

The problem was the 'rule' was passed on for interpretation. UEFA bottled it and left it up to the local FA to decide.
The rules were clear - Maximum of 4 teams from each country. The FA chose to have that as Top 4 of the premiership, they could've had it as Top 4 unless a team outside of the Top 4 wins the trophy (i.e. like the spanish FA did).

It really beggars belief that people are still letting the FA off the hook on this, especially UEFA.

Another victory for money over football.

[Karlos]

The rules were clear - Maximum of 4 teams from each country. The FA chose to have that as Top 4 of the premiership, they could've had it as Top 4 unless a team outside of the Top 4 wins the trophy (i.e. like the spanish FA did).

It really beggars belief that people are still letting the FA off the hook on this, especially UEFA.

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I'm not usually a fan of the FA but in this instance I think they got it right - stuck by their rules as set out at the start of the season and as a result the rules have now been changed by the people who should have done it all along - UEFA - it is their competition after all.

[fosterdollar]

I agree. At least the FA stuck by what they said (i.e top 4 qualify) and then lobbyed for the extra spot with UEFA so that all 5 english clubs could participate. Now they are being accused of being stubborn.

Lobbying for an extra place surely is stubbornness though. Stubborn in that they wanted what they already had - and more.


It really beggars belief that people are still letting the FA off the hook on this, especially UEFA.

My opinion is that the FA made sh!t of the situation by twisting the intention of UEFA. They were given 4 places to be allocated as they see fit, as you said. But they messed up by not including, at the start of the year, for the possibility of one of this year's entrants winning and figuring outside the top 4.
UEFA are not completely blameless and should have a rule in place for this situation. They run the comp, they make the rules. I can't believe they've given England a fifth place.

[anto1208]

it does go to show that the prem league is the most important league in europe again , that they can force uefa to give them an extra spot .

smart move by the eng fa , this way they have 5 teams in the comp were as if they had said winner will get in not 4th they would only have the 4 teams

[Karlos]

Lobbying for an extra place surely is stubbornness though. Stubborn in that they wanted what they already had - and more.
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I don't believe it's stubborn to stick by the rules you set your members and then in turn at your members request, ask the governing body why the rules that they have are so ridiculous.

The English FA are required to do the best for their members and I've no doubt that for once in this instance they have - I sincerely doubt that english clubs will be labelling the FA as stubborn after the result today. The stubborness has been with UEFA in taking so long to evaluate and correct their ridiculous rule. This situation wouldn't exist if the governing body had done what they are supposed to do.......i.e. govern! :)

[Karlos]

it does go to show that the prem league is the most important league in europe again , that they can force uefa to give them an extra spot .

smart move by the eng fa , this way they have 5 teams in the comp were as if they had said winner will get in not 4th they would only have the 4 teams

Only for one year though - it will revert to 4 now that UEFA have amended their rules, something which should have been done after the Madrid case and which is being excused because a member association got them out of a hole. :)

[Macy]

The stubborness has been with UEFA in taking so long to evaluate and correct their ridiculous rule. This situation wouldn't exist if the governing body had done what they are supposed to do.......i.e. govern! :)
Karlos, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me you've changed your emphasis since Dein started mouthing yesterday....

[tiktok]

Anyone know if this will affect Lonford and Cork city's seeding in the UEFA Cup?
The Only Important question IMO.

[beautifulrock]

Yes indeed the rule change should have been made following the Real Madrid saga. It was always going to happen that Liverpool would be let in. England has the higest percentage TV earnings so UEFA is always going to have to go with them. In fairness to the FA they have done well for their members by getting a fifth team in. Not so good for the original four as their money will now be split 5 ways.

[Karlos]

Karlos, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me you've changed your emphasis since Dein started mouthing yesterday....

I haven't read Dein's comments on this issue at all (perhaps you could point me to them) but had this thread being written yesterday my thoughts would have been as they are now.

I've little time for the English FA and having a board member from Arsenal has done little for us - too many unwarranted and unpredented supensions and point deductions for my liking.

My stance has always been the same - holders should be allowed to defend in my opinion, however this year that wasn't the case re: the rules and I felt it would be wrong to remove Everton who are deserving of the place in the tournament to incorporate a team that had finished 30 odd points off the top. For once though I think the FA did the right thing, stuck by the rules and suported their members and as a result UEFA have acted.

Now all they need to do is issue similar fines and suspensions for similar incidents and I'll be in love with them again! :)

[shedite]

So who misses out guys? Some team must have lost a place? Or had they an extra place reserved for holders all along?

From Uefa.com:
Spain, Italy, England (4 teams each = 12)
Germany, France, Portugal (3 teams each = 9)
Scotland, Turkey, Belgium, Swiss, Ukraine, Norway (2 teams each = 12)
33 other countries with 1 team each = 34 teams.

That's a total of 67 teams. Last season's had 72. If they always had a place for the holders, who were the alternative if they decided to vote against Liverpool.

By the way, the numbers above were counted from lists so some errors may appear.

[fosterdollar]

Apparently the FA are looking for their 3 UEFA Cup spots to be maintained also.

[anto eile]

Only for one year though - it will revert to 4 now that UEFA have amended their rules, something which should have been done after the Madrid case and which is being excused because a member association got them out of a hole. :)
the new amendment of the rules is pretty much what i suggested in another post . either here or shelsweb.anyway il take all the credit for coming up with the new uefa rules so il expect a "thank you" card in the post from sepp blatter soon:)

[4tothefloor]

First off, i'm not happy with having to play in the first round. The least Liverpool should have awarded is a 3rd qualifying round place. Putting the holders needlessly into earlier rounds involving comparitively mediocre teams is a poor decision. UEFA bottled it as far as i'm concerned. The same way they bottled the Real Madrid decision years ago. They have put Liverpool in at the first stage simply because any other decision would have been egg on their collective idiotic faces.


change the record , stop living in the past thats over 3 weeks ago :D
Anto my dear friend, this is one record that will be on long play, for a very long time :D


absolute bloody disgrace. yet again UEFA bow to money :mad: I've always had a soft spot for liverpool, not anymore
It's hardly Liverpool's fault! So you've lost your soft spot for them because they, rightly, fought their case......strange logic. It's UEFA that your beef should be with. They shirked the same situation years ago when it happened with Real, because the Spanish FA were weak enough to bow to what was a ridiculous rule. If the Spanish FA saw it then, why didn't UEFA see it? They've amended the rules now to what is the logical solution - holders take place of 4th place team in event of non-qualification domestically.


I'm not usually a fan of the FA but in this instance I think they got it right - stuck by their rules as set out at the start of the season and as a result the rules have now been changed by the people who should have done it all along - UEFA - it is their competition after all.
Exactly. Dozy UEFA needed this to happen before common sense could prevail :rolleyes: - This could easily have happened\could happen with a Spanish side again. A good example is that Valencia, who were the reigning Spanish champions this year and played in the champions league, finished well down the table this season. Deportivo also finished well down the table, having also played in the CL this season. If one of these sides won the CL this year you would have the exact same situation as the Liverpool one. Put simply, there is no gaurantee that the same 4 sides from the bigger nations will keep qualifying for the CL every season, and thus the old rule was deeply flawed. It's been changed now for the better, so I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a bit of a joke if the Champions of the 'Champions League' don't get back in automatically....

[jimbob117]

absolute bloody disgrace. yet again UEFA bow to money :mad: I've always had a soft spot for liverpool, not anymore

Disagree. they deserve the right to defend their title.

[mypost]

First off, i'm not happy with having to play in the first round. The least Liverpool should have awarded is a 3rd qualifying round place. Putting the holders needlessly into earlier rounds involving comparitively mediocre teams is a poor decision. UEFA bottled it as far as i'm concerned. They have put Liverpool in at the first stage simply because any other decision would have been egg on their collective idiotic faces.

So, according to UEFA's logic, winning the European Cup is not as important as a pub side who happened, (as opposed to earned) to finish 4th in their domestic league! :mad: Before anyone gets upset about the financial aspect, it must be said that only 2 teams have qualified from England for next year's CL, so far. It remains to be seen if they will be joined by up to 3 other English teams. We don't have the chance to defend the trophy yet. UEFA should have put us straight into the group stage, after all, we ARE reigning champions.

Everyone will want to play us in the first round, but the later qualifying rounds could be difficult. I don't want to play Shels in the qualifiers, because a)they will be in mid-season, Hadjuk Split found out last season what a difference that makes in Europe, and b) the game at Lansdowne would be hijacked by bandwagon-jumpers, and non-football people who shouldn't be there, as seen when Coruna came to town last year. :(



It's hardly Liverpool's fault! So you've lost your soft spot for them because they, rightly, fought their case......strange logic. It's UEFA that your beef should be with.

In all honesty, you can't take Eanna's post seriously. The only club he has a soft spot for is Cork City, and that's it. It wouldn't matter if Liverpool, Lyon, or Leverkusen were allowed to defend their CL title on these grounds by UEFA, he'd still whinge about it. :o We will actually LOSE money by competing next year. This is a decision made on sporting grounds, nothing else. The sad thing is; the debate about our participation wouldn't have been necessary, if we had won just one more league game last season. :(

But, I'd just like to say to those who tried to prevent us from playing in next season's CL, in (some of) the words of that famous Norwegian:
Juventus, Chelsea, AC Milan, Everton, and William Gaillard, you boys took one hell of a drowning from the 'pool!!!!!! :)

[adamcarr]

Since Liverpool replaced the Slovakian team , does that mean that if pool do well it will improve the co-effecient of the Slovakian team? :ball:

[Éanna]

First off, i'm not happy with having to play in the first round. The least Liverpool should have awarded is a 3rd qualifying round place. Putting the holders needlessly into earlier rounds involving comparitively mediocre teams is a poor decision. UEFA bottled it as far as i'm concerned. The same way they bottled the Real Madrid decision years ago. They have put Liverpool in at the first stage simply because any other decision would have been egg on their collective idiotic faces.
Liverpool were very sneaky in the way they played this. They went on about how they "deserved" to defend their title, even though they knew the rules before they entered the competition. They (in conjunction with the FA and the british media) deliberatley engineered a situation where the pressure was put on UEFA to atone for the fact that the FA didn't have the balls to make a decision, and liverpool weren't good enough to qualify.


In all honesty, you can't take Eanna's post seriously. The only club he has a soft spot for is Cork City, and that's it.
Sorry, I had forgotten that you know what I'm thinking :rolleyes: I've always liked Liverpool, but I have no respect for them after this.

[holidaysong]

Liverpool were very sneaky in the way they played this. They went on about how they "deserved" to defend their title, even though they knew the rules before they entered the competition. They (in conjunction with the FA and the british media) deliberatley engineered a situation where the pressure was put on UEFA to atone for the fact that the FA didn't have the balls to make a decision, and liverpool weren't good enough to qualify.

Sneaky but clever. UEFA were made out as the bad guys while the English FA have now got 5 representatives in the competition and don't have a load of Everton fans trying to kill them. UEFA should have told English FA that it was Liverpools spot and not Evertons if they won the CL instead of allowing the English FA confirm Everton their place weeks in advance of the Final.

[Éanna]

Sneaky but clever. UEFA were made out as the bad guys while the English FA have now got 5 representatives in the competition and don't have a load of Everton fans trying to kill them. UEFA should have told English FA that it was Liverpools spot and not Evertons if they won the CL instead of allowing the English FA confirm Everton their place weeks in advance of the Final.exactly

[redgav]

wrong -Uefa weren't the bad guys ,they were just the wimps who couldn't stand up to the FA

The real bad guys in this are the FA .Last season they had a rule in place when Chelsea and Arsenal met.They changed that rule this season.Precedent had been set with the spanish fa .The english fa should have followed suit except they didn't have ths b@lls to make decision.
Instead,they forced Brian barwick to pull out of any decision making as he would have been accused of Bias (being a Liverpool season ticket holder) but instead a decision was made by Arsenals david dein and the bolton chairman ,both who were biased ,Bolton who at the time were a point of 4th and dein,who didn't want his superstars coming home early from holidays

The FA have now done 3 things .1 ensured that they are now in the pockets of at least 4 different football assosiations
2.They've majorly pi$$ed of Uefa by forcing them in a corner
3.opened a possibility of a CL place less going to the EPL due to a turkish team being bumped up a place

Eanna - you say you had respect for liverpool buts its gone now cos of they way they snuck in !!!!
How is this ?? By WINNING the competition.

As for the sneaky way "they went about it",there was not one word from the club until they won the competition ,then the English media decided to push.It was the FA who swung the UEFA decision by lobbying other member countries

Liverpool ,as CHAMPIONS of the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE,should not be playing these early rounds.Its a ridicules decision.The very least they should have done is put them in the QR1,but to be honest ,that would have been a poor decision also

For all those who are harping on about Liverpool this and liverpool that . i've one question

Everythings thats gone on with Liverpool,UEFA and FA, ,substitute the word liverpool with ManUtd or Chelsea...now ask yerselves a honest question ,If It had been either of those two clubs ,would the outcome be the same ?????

[redgav]

just so some of you can see the webpage and rules the FA remove after liverpool beat chelsea see url below


Fa Hypocrisy pages (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/image...fahypocrisy.jpg)

So ,this is put in place to protect both Arsenal and chelsea the year previous ,yet this season,arsenals and boltons chairmen deem to go against the rules they've had for the previous years

[Éanna]

wrong -Uefa weren't the bad guys ,they were just the wimps who couldn't stand up to the FA
They were wimps, but they are just as guilty because of that fact.


Eanna - you say you had respect for liverpool buts its gone now cos of they way they snuck in !!!!
How is this ?? By WINNING the competition.
They snuck in because they don't deserve to be in it- the rules were clear, and they should not have qualified. Its wrong.


As for the sneaky way "they went about it",there was not one word from the club until they won the competition ,then the English media decided to push."Not one word about UNTIL they won the competition"? Too bloody right there wasn't. That would have displayed incredible arrogance. But the crap they've come out with since was nothing other than calculated effort to pressurise UEFA into allowing them into the competition- see above "snuck in."



Liverpool ,as CHAMPIONS of the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE,should not be playing these early rounds.Its a ridicules decision.The very least they should have done is put them in the QR1,but to be honest ,that would have been a poor decision also Liverpool, as a team who did not qualify for the competition based on the rules of the competition, which they obviously agreed to by entering, should not be playing in the competition at all. Simple as.


Everythings thats gone on with Liverpool,UEFA and FA, ,substitute the word liverpool with ManUtd or Chelsea...now ask yerselves a honest question ,If It had been either of those two clubs ,would the outcome be the same ?????As far as I'm concerned thats not the issue. I would be disagreeing with this decision whatever team was involved. Its typical of the unmitigated arrogance that is so prevalent in English football these days. As I said, I had a lot of respect for L'pool, in my eyes they are the only English club with a true European pedigree, and their fans are second to none, but the reputation they have for having a sporting attitude has been severley damaged, at least in my eyes.

[redgav]

[QUOTE=Éanna][They were wimps, but they are just as guilty because of that fact.]

Yes uefa are guilty of not laying down the rules clearer when it happened previosly but facts of the matter is ,that the FA should have followed the precedent set,they didn't ,instead choosing political means


[They snuck in because they don't deserve to be in it- the rules were clear, and they should not have qualified. Its wrong.]

Yeah,from now on lets call it the European league ,cos clearly winning the damn thing isn't enough for some people ;)

["Not one word about UNTIL they won the competition"? Too bloody right there wasn't. That would have displayed incredible arrogance. But the crap they've come out with since was nothing other than calculated effort to pressurise UEFA into allowing them into the competition- see above "snuck in."]

this crap you mention ,would you like to provide the links or even the c&p's of it .Liverpool fc on a whole have been very dignified about the whle thing.Theres been very little official word from the club.You may be basing your opinion on the English media .......thats a very different thing eanna and it has nothing to do with the club.Its just been another stry for the murdochmachine to run with since their darling chavs nd the previous darlings ,the prawnies ,were knocked out


[Liverpool, as a team who did not qualify for the competition based on the rules of the competition, which they obviously agreed to by entering, should not be playing in the competition at all. Simple as]

The rules of the competition which was adjusted this season.Extrordinary circumstances as no one forsaw any other team other than the roublefed mafiosochavs.The competition is a mockery (it is anyway ) if the champions ,of the "champions league" are not in it.Its not as if its the first time this has happened .Forest finished 8th (i think may have been 6th) when they won it the second year,also ame thing happened with Zargosa



[As far as I'm concerned thats not the issue. I would be disagreeing with this decision whatever team was involved. Its typical of the unmitigated arrogance that is so prevalent in English football these days. As I said, I had a lot of respect for L'pool, in my eyes they are the only English club with a true European pedigree, and their fans are second to none, but the reputation they have for having a sporting attitude has been severley damaged, at least in my eyes]

I didn't ask you if it was a issue that concerned you,i asked you a specific question .avoiding and running from the question as well as reiterating your own opinion wasn't part of the answer needed .a simple yes or no would suffice
regarding your last para,agin I refer you to show me the exact quotes from the Club officials thats so tainted them ....in your eyes
There hasn't been ,theres been ex players ,theres been no doubt one or two present players ,but everything else was just media bullsh!t again.

[Éanna]

but facts of the matter is ,that the FA should have followed the precedent set,they didn't ,instead choosing political meansAgreed. So the point is, either liverpool or everton should not be in the CL next season. The FA made it quite clear that the 4th place team would be the one to qualify, therefore L'pool should not have been allowed in.




Yeah,from now on lets call it the European league ,cos clearly winning the damn thing isn't enough for some people ;) should have been called that a long time ago. Its a joke.



this crap you mention ,would you like to provide the links or even the c&p's of it .Liverpool fc on a whole have been very dignified about the whle thing.Theres been very little official word from the club.You may be basing your opinion on the English media .......thats a very different thing eanna and it has nothing to do with the club.Its just been another stry for the murdochmachine to run with since their darling chavs nd the previous darlings ,the prawnies ,were knocked out
To be perfectly honest gav, I don't actually care enough about the issue to go looking for quotes- I do remember seeing an interview/press conference with benitex, where he said something along the lines of "It seems extraordinary that the champions would not be allowed to defend the trophy." That, IMO, was a clear attempt to put pressure on UEFA to bend the rules. I'm not basing it on the english media, as I wouldn't base anything on the jingoistic morons who constitute it.


The rules of the competition which was adjusted this season.Extrordinary circumstances as no one forsaw any other team other than the roublefed mafiosochavs.The competition is a mockery (it is anyway ) if the champions ,of the "champions league" are not in it.Its not as if its the first time this has happened .Forest finished 8th (i think may have been 6th) when they won it the second year,also ame thing happened with Zargosa The rules were clear enough. They should have been adhered to.


I didn't ask you if it was a issue that concerned you,i asked you a specific question .avoiding and running from the question as well as reiterating your own opinion wasn't part of the answer needed .a simple yes or no would sufficeI wasn;t avoiding or running from the question at all, I just don't see the relevance of it, and I'm not about to start arguing the toss between 3/4 clubs that I really have no interest in. I'm not interested in the politics of English football TBH, but if you want an answer: if it had been another English club involved, I would imagine UEFA would have bowed to the pressure from the FA and that club, just as they have done with L'pool.




regarding your last para,agin I refer you to show me the exact quotes from the Club officials thats so tainted them ....in your eyes
There hasn't been ,theres been ex players ,theres been no doubt one or two present players ,but everything else was just media bullsh!t again.
see above- I haven't enough interest to trawl through the net looking for that kind of info.

[redgav]

[QUOTE=Éanna][Agreed. So the point is, either liverpool or everton should not be in the CL next season. The FA made it quite clear that the 4th place team would be the one to qualify, therefore L'pool should not have been allowed in]

Which is the FA's fault and not Liverpools -they made the decision,with extremly biased people at a time when those people were only looking out for themselves



[should have been called that a long time ago. Its a joke.]

I agree ,the competition,for me,has lost all value,when it changed.Its too money orientated now,and I don't really agree with 3rd and 4th getting into it



[To be perfectly honest gav, I don't actually care enough about the issue to go looking for quotes- I do remember seeing an interview/press conference with benitex, where he said something along the lines of "It seems extraordinary that the champions would not be allowed to defend the trophy." That, IMO, was a clear attempt to put pressure on UEFA to bend the rules. I'm not basing it on the english media, as I wouldn't base anything on the jingoistic morons who constitute it.

The rules were clear enough. They should have been adhered to.

I wasn;t avoiding or running from the question at all, I just don't see the relevance of it, and I'm not about to start arguing the toss between 3/4 clubs that I really have no interest in. I'm not interested in the politics of English football TBH, but if you want an answer: if it had been another English club involved, I would imagine UEFA would have bowed to the pressure from the FA and that club, just as they have done with L'pool.

see above- I haven't enough interest to trawl through the net looking for that kind of info.]

don't take this the wrong way then eanna , but If you have no interest in the subject,are unwilling to back up your (wrong ;) ) opinions with fact,are making a unsubstanciated statements which I feel are detrimental to LFC then wtf are you doing in the thread in the first place ???