Jeff Hendrick (M Newcastle b.1992)

[Bielsa´s irish]

I think Parrott is the obvious 10 once he proves he can do it at men’s level. This could be just a few months away.

No, he is a 9 in the mould for Francis Stapleton, former Arsenal and Man U striker. He can drop but we need a goalscorer or goalscorers at the time being. Some say Stapleton wasnt a dribbler but ive watched him when he played and now under the lockdown from the old clips, and the guy was a bit like Batistuta, composed in the air, but skillful to get people off with the ball at his feet, well Parrott i rate him as a young Stapleton.

My good question is Would you have played Stapleton as a 10 in his prime if you were the coach?

[Bielsa´s irish]

As number 10 i campaign for James McCarthy,
let Hendrick do the silent work and allow McCarthy to play as a playmaker further, with no defensive duties, he may recover possession further on the pitch and start new attacks

[irishfan86]

Maybe many moons ago McCarthy could play 10. Doesn’t have the legs for it now. He is our best holding midfielder, a good tackler, and that’s where he’ll play for us unless he calls time on his international career which I fear is a real possibility.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Maybe many moons ago McCarthy could play 10. Doesn’t have the legs for it now. He is our best holding midfielder, a good tackler, and that’s where he’ll play for us unless he calls time on his international career which I fear is a real possibility.
yes thats my worry, but Platini didnt have the legs either.

Of course he plays there at club level, but i say free the guy to make is classy passing,

[Bielsa´s irish]

a 10 doesnt need a lot of legs, just a football brain.

[Bielsa´s irish]

For my a change of formation is irrevocable under Kenny a 3-5-2 formation is what we are gonna need, there you place a playmaker, an extra defender and the wing backs

[Fixer82]

Nice reverse angles of it here (https://youtu.be/mdATfoDAQJY?t=330), Wes had to break stride ever so slightly but great control and vision alright. His debut iirc.

Trap's reaction after Wes scores speaks volumes

[Bielsa´s irish]

Trap's reaction after Wes scores speaks volumes

How bad Trapatonni did, specially when choosing players and tactics. Tardelli should have replaced him after the EURO. That game vs Austria at home was a sign of his tutelage. The alaba strike was a knife in mild butter

[Bielsa´s irish]

cant evade the chance of revisionism on Trapattoni, he ordered the nat team, and only that until Liam Brady left. I tought Chippy would have taken over. He was all wrong, alienated and fell out with stephen reid, james mccarthy and a lot of good players. Brought players that werent up to the task. Did all wrong with hoolahan and other flair players, and i have an idea he did that because he understimated Ireland and that was his jubilatory pay off last job. Easy Money.

Liam brady was meant to replaced Trap after 2009

[Fixer82]

Liam brady was meant to replaced Trap after 2009

Why didn't he? And why was he meant to replace Trap? His managerial record isn't exactly glowing

[Bielsa´s irish]

He didnt bring young players to the squad, only defenders the Euro 2012 exposed how out of the game he was, a charlatan under my view. He didnt trust on players and sat on a pile of money. Rory Delap never got a chance, and he didnt built for the future, he failed as italian manager in 2002 and failed again, of course he was a lobby man, so he got always jobs.
Thats why he trusted in below standard players because the better ones knew he was a charlatan.

the only two first years were good, he gave order to the national team, professionalism all things from outside the pitch. He was the president of the fai in a sense

[Bielsa´s irish]

Why didn't he? And why was he meant to replace Trap? His managerial record isn't exactly glowing I know, thats what I thought when he left, wasnt him better than Staunton, though?

[Fixer82]

He didnt bring young players to the squad, only defenders the Euro 2012 exposed how out of the game he was, a charlatan under my view. He didnt trust on players and sat on a pile of money. Rory Delap never got a chance, and he didnt built for the future, he failed as italian manager in 2002 and failed again, of course he was a lobby man, so he got always jobs.
Thats why he trusted in below standard players because the better ones knew he was a charlatan.

the only two first years were good, he gave order to the national team, professionalism all things from outside the pitch. He was the president of the fai in a sense

I don't agree with the highlighted part. I just believe he had a system and nothing could go against that. Hence, Wes and Andy Reid were never going to fit his system.

Rory Delap got 11 caps. Most of them under Mick McCatrhy so he as consistently ignored by Irish managers. I personally would've picked him a lot more often if I was Irish manager.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Why didn't he? And why was he meant to replace Trap? His managerial record isn't exactly glowing

How do you rate Trap six years ? he had a pedigree, but he was yesterday's man, football went ahead and he didnt realized.

[Bielsa´s irish]

I don't agree with the highlighted part. I just believe he had a system and nothing could go against that. Hence, Wes and Andy Reid were never going to fit his system.

Rory Delap got 11 caps. Most of them under Mick McCatrhy so he as consistently ignored by Irish managers. I personally would've picked him a lot more often if I was Irish manager.

how many were betrayed by Gio? i can give you 10 good names

[tetsujin1979]

No, he is a 9 in the mould for Francis Stapleton, former Arsenal and Man U striker. He can drop but we need a goalscorer or goalscorers at the time being. Some say Stapleton wasnt a dribbler but ive watched him when he played and now under the lockdown from the old clips, and the guy was a bit like Batistuta, composed in the air, but skillful to get people off with the ball at his feet, well Parrott i rate him as a young Stapleton.

My good question is Would you have played Stapleton as a 10 in his prime if you were the coach?
Stapleton was known as Frank, don't call him Francis. We all know he played for Arsenal and United. Please post some of these clips that show him as a dribbler.


cant evade the chance of revisionism on Trapattoni, he ordered the nat team, and only that until Liam Brady left. I tought Chippy would have taken over. He was all wrong, alienated and fell out with stephen reid, james mccarthy and a lot of good players. Brought players that werent up to the task. Did all wrong with hoolahan and other flair players, and i have an idea he did that because he understimated Ireland and that was his jubilatory pay off last job. Easy Money.

Liam brady was meant to replaced Trap after 2009
There is no evidence that Brady was meant to replace Trapattoni after 2009. The manager was quite popular at the time, and the team was riding a wave of public support after Henry's handball in the play off game. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Stapleton was known as Frank, don't call him Francis. We all know he played for Arsenal and United. Please post some of these clips that show him as a dribbler.


There is no evidence that Brady was meant to replace Trapattoni after 2009. The manager was quite popular at the time, and the team was riding a wave of public support after Henry's handball in the play off game. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

No, I clarify that i said I thought he was meant to be, Brady was tidy when there.......I still have my doubts if he resigns because of that. Remember Trap had a stroke and surgery later that year.

The guy had some aura I gave you that, and is the only man in football who failed miserably in BMunich and then was re-hired!

Trapattoni was good you know organizationally but sportingly he was a disaster, ok he got lucky Estonia and all that, he alienated players or disrespect them, and when the boat
was sinking he left his post in the same state, in a disarray.

[tetsujin1979]

No, I clarify that i said I thought he was meant to be, Brady was tidy when there.......I still have my doubts if he resigns because of that. Remember Trap had a stroke and surgery later that year.
Trapattoni didn't have a stroke - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9341222.stm


The guy had some aura I gave you that, and is the only man in football who failed miserably in BMunich and then was re-hired!

Trapattoni was good you know organizationally but sportingly he was a disaster, ok he got lucky Estonia and all that, he alienated players or disrespect them, and when the boat
was sinking he left his post in the same state, in a disarray.
I hate the "he was lucky to get Estonia" argument when it comes to Trapattoni, it ignores the work to get the team into the seeded pot, after being unseeded in the 2010 play offs.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Trapattoni didn't have a stroke - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9341222.stm


I hate the "he was lucky to get Estonia" argument when it comes to Trapattoni, it ignores the work to get the team into the seeded pot, after being unseeded in the 2010 play offs.

did you see his face once Hoolahan smoothly made a beauty, chest and net? Trap wanted to be somewhere else, eaten alive by a hole in the ground

[elatedscum]

I don't agree with the highlighted part. I just believe he had a system and nothing could go against that. Hence, Wes and Andy Reid were never going to fit his system.

Rory Delap got 11 caps. Most of them under Mick McCatrhy so he as consistently ignored by Irish managers. I personally would've picked him a lot more often if I was Irish manager.

Whatever about the system re Wes and Andy Reid. Steven Reid is a perfect example of him alienating someone who should have been starting. In his first games Steven was fantastic alongside Whelan... his refusal to initially integrate McClean, Coleman and McCarthy was a flaw. Saying he wanted to be loyal to older players... playing Given in the euros when he was obviously injured... Playing Paul Green etc etc etc

The likes of Delap and Delaney were underused.

Kevin Foley was absolute f****d over by him in appalling fashion, having been told he was 100% in the squad, with his entire family and extended family booking flights over, then to be replaced my McShane last minute... appalling stuff...

Can’t blame him for Stephen Ireland who is a headbanger but nonetheless, he wasn’t able to get him playing again...

There were so many cases of mismanagement it was unbelievable. Kilbane talked about it how he never even spoke to him to tell him that he was done with him, after 120 caps or whatever it was. He was injured for one squad and then he just stopped selecting him. Finnan made similar comments if I remember correctly. Think Joey O’Brien, then a young premier league player said they didn’t know his name.

Trap came in and initially created a defensive solidity that helped us after Stan’s disaster. But after that first campaign - it basically went downhill...

[Bielsa´s irish]

Once he said James McCarthy was a Platini or Gianni Rivera, gave him the number 10 shirt, then he said , the kid is too shy

[Bielsa´s irish]

Whatever about the system re Wes and Andy Reid. Steven Reid is a perfect example of him alienating someone who should have been starting. In his first games Steven was fantastic alongside Whelan... his refusal to initially integrate McClean, Coleman and McCarthy was a flaw. Saying he wanted to be loyal to older players... playing Given in the euros when he was obviously injured... Playing Paul Green etc etc etc

The likes of Delap and Delaney were underused.

Kevin Foley was absolute f****d over by him in appalling fashion, having been told he was 100% in the squad, with his entire family and extended family booking flights over, then to be replaced my McShane last minute... appalling stuff...

Can’t blame him for Stephen Ireland who is a headbanger but nonetheless, he wasn’t able to get him playing again...

There were so many cases of mismanagement it was unbelievable. Kilbane talked about it how he never even spoke to him to tell him that he was done with him, after 120 caps or whatever it was. He was injured for one squad and then he just stopped selecting him. Finnan made similar comments if I remember correctly. Think Joey O’Brien, then a young premier league player said they didn’t know his name.

Trap came in and initially created a defensive solidity that helped us after Stan’s disaster. But after that first campaign - it basically went downhill...

thats to sum this up. PLus he got players in their primes, I think Ireland copied what England did with a catenaccio yourger version Capello

[Bielsa´s irish]

Trapattoni was a very clumsy and luxury regime of football. He even mimicked a violin when he confronted the people of Ireland, he said something like you want to beat everyone 3- nil and we are Ireland

[tetsujin1979]

Stapleton was known as Frank, don't call him Francis. We all know he played for Arsenal and United. Please post some of these clips that show him as a dribbler.

Bielsa - you have 24 hours to post the clips of Stapleton as a dribbler or I'm giving you an infraction for unsubstantiated claims.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Bielsa - you have 24 hours to post the clips of Stapleton as a dribbler or I'm giving you an infraction for unsubstantiated claims.ja

i have some clips on youtube, he wasnt Iniesta, he was a 9 but he was composed, can I copy his roulette among 3 defenders?

[Bielsa´s irish]

Bielsa - you have 24 hours to post the clips of Stapleton as a dribbler or I'm giving you an infraction for unsubstantiated claims.

Stapleton dribbler

probe 1 https://youtu.be/5-ilpSklY3Y?t=52
https://youtu.be/5-ilpSklY3Y?t=52 white shirt scapes last defender with a flick

[Bielsa´s irish]

Bielsa - you have 24 hours to post the clips of Stapleton as a dribbler or I'm giving you an infraction for unsubstantiated claims.

probe 2 roulette among 3 guys 38 years of this beauty
https://youtu.be/0B7VF2Iqmk0?t=58 https://youtu.be/0B7VF2Iqmk0?t=58

[Bielsa´s irish]

Bielsa - you have 24 hours to post the clips of Stapleton as a dribbler or I'm giving you an infraction for unsubstantiated claims.

probe 3 https://youtu.be/K30tA3R_FYY?t=320 https://youtu.be/K30tA3R_FYY?t=320

dribble through 2 guys for Arsenal.

probe 4 dribbled past Jean Marie Pfaff https://youtu.be/JewGBlb2eOk?t=199 https://youtu.be/JewGBlb2eOk?t=199

[pineapple stu]

You're smoking some wacky stuff if you think any of that constitutes dribbling

[Diggs246]

Whatever about the system re Wes and Andy Reid. Steven Reid is a perfect example of him alienating someone who should have been starting. In his first games Steven was fantastic alongside Whelan... his refusal to initially integrate McClean, Coleman and McCarthy was a flaw. Saying he wanted to be loyal to older players... playing Given in the euros when he was obviously injured... Playing Paul Green etc etc etc

The likes of Delap and Delaney were underused.

Kevin Foley was absolute f****d over by him in appalling fashion, having been told he was 100% in the squad, with his entire family and extended family booking flights over, then to be replaced my McShane last minute... appalling stuff...

Can’t blame him for Stephen Ireland who is a headbanger but nonetheless, he wasn’t able to get him playing again...

There were so many cases of mismanagement it was unbelievable. Kilbane talked about it how he never even spoke to him to tell him that he was done with him, after 120 caps or whatever it was. He was injured for one squad and then he just stopped selecting him. Finnan made similar comments if I remember correctly. Think Joey O’Brien, then a young premier league player said they didn’t know his name.

Trap came in and initially created a defensive solidity that helped us after Stan’s disaster. But after that first campaign - it basically went downhill...

Poor old Stephen kelly had to take legal action. When trap directly lied and said Stephen doesn't want to play for Ireland

[Fixer82]

Whatever about the system re Wes and Andy Reid. Steven Reid is a perfect example of him alienating someone who should have been starting. In his first games Steven was fantastic alongside Whelan... his refusal to initially integrate McClean, Coleman and McCarthy was a flaw. Saying he wanted to be loyal to older players... playing Given in the euros when he was obviously injured... Playing Paul Green etc etc etc

The likes of Delap and Delaney were underused.

Kevin Foley was absolute f****d over by him in appalling fashion, having been told he was 100% in the squad, with his entire family and extended family booking flights over, then to be replaced my McShane last minute... appalling stuff...

Can’t blame him for Stephen Ireland who is a headbanger but nonetheless, he wasn’t able to get him playing again...

There were so many cases of mismanagement it was unbelievable. Kilbane talked about it how he never even spoke to him to tell him that he was done with him, after 120 caps or whatever it was. He was injured for one squad and then he just stopped selecting him. Finnan made similar comments if I remember correctly. Think Joey O’Brien, then a young premier league player said they didn’t know his name.

Trap came in and initially created a defensive solidity that helped us after Stan’s disaster. But after that first campaign - it basically went downhill...

Agree with most of this. Steven Reid had a bad injury and Trap essentially retired him.
Foley was screwed over but Jack did the same to Gary Waddock in 1990.

Actually thought Paul Green did ok in a few games and was a bit of a fall guy for Trap. Andrews had some terrible games under Trap too.

He clearly had poor man-management skills, yet Stephen Hunt who was dropped by him in the Euros still spoke highly of him.
Hunt really should've seen game time in Euro 2012. Gibson should have too. McClean got game time and still moaned about it. It was clearly a quite unhappy camp.

[tetsujin1979]

You're smoking some wacky stuff if you think any of that constitutes dribbling

Agreed, none of that is dribbling. Bielsa, Retract the claim that he was like Batistuta.

[Fixer82]

how many were betrayed by Gio? i can give you 10 good names


Just for the craic, give us the 10 names there.

PS none of those videos you posted show Stapleton being a dribbler

[DCWA]

Dribble
.
(in soccer, hockey, and basketball) take (the ball) forwards past opponents with slight touches of the feet or the stick



Some of those links above can certainly be considered to meet the definition of “dribbling” even if over only a few seconds or yards.

what do ya’s want from him here lads? He was asked to post clips to back up his claim that Stapleton was a dribbler he has went and done that. I have see countless opinions aired on here with much less evidence to support them and the poster isn’t pulled on it never mind outright hounded about it.

If others don’t agree the clips reflect that and don’t consider Frank Stapleton to be a player who was a particularly good dribbler that is merely a matter of opinion. This is a football forum designed, surely, for the sharing and discussion of differing opinions.

[pineapple stu]

Clip 4 - he didn't dribble past Pfaff; he was taken out by him
Clip 3 - not a dribble; he just turned past the two defenders. Good play and a great goal, but not a dribble.
Clip 2 - he in fact turns back to create space rather than try go past the defenders. Again, a great goal, but not a dribble.
Clip 1 - that's a great first touch, not a dribble.

Damien Duff was a dribbler. Stapleton wasn't.

[DCWA]

I personally agree but that’s a matter of opinion. A good first touch is part and parcel of a dribble or dribbling.

I wouldn’t consider it dribbling unless it involves a series of touches and carrying the ball but that’s my opinion. The poster was asked to provide clips and provided clips that can credibly be argued to constitute some form of dribbling.

[pineapple stu]

I don't agree the clips can be credibly so argued. Creating space and dribbling are not the same. And in the Pfaff case, he didn't get past the player.

But the bigger issue I think is that Bielsa is always throwing out random assertions (as in, I suspect the use of a random comment generator), many of which are pointlessly cryptic, too many of which eventually turn out to be nonsense, and it's getting a bit tiresome.

[seanfhear]

Frank Stapleton did not even dribble as a newborn ! !

[seanfhear]

I don't agree the clips can be credibly so argued. Creating space and dribbling are not the same. And in the Pfaff case, he didn't get past the player.

But the bigger issue I think is that Bielsa is always throwing out random assertions (as in, I suspect the use of a random comment generator), many of which are pointlessly cryptic, too many of which eventually turn out to be nonsense, and it's getting a bit tiresome.
It may be a computer doing a Turing Test on us.

[tetsujin1979]

He used to post on YBIG under the name Javier, and it was pretty much the same. Random capitalisation of words, claiming player X was as good as a world class player - kept claiming Eunan O'Kane was the next Gattuso IIRC - referring to the team as Eire, claiming he watched games on ESPN Argentina,
it got tiresome very, very quickly, the other users started ignoring him, and he stopped posting.

[seanfhear]

He used to post on YBIG under the name Javier, and it was pretty much the same. Random capitalisation of words, claiming player X was as good as a world class player - kept claiming Eunan O'Kane was the next Gattuso IIRC - referring to the team as Eire, claiming he watched games on ESPN Argentina,
it got tiresome very, very quickly, the other users started ignoring him, and he stopped posting.
Terminate, Terminate, Terminate.

[Bielsa´s irish]

You're smoking some wacky stuff if you think any of that constitutes dribbling

knock it off, he was a 9, Liam Brady described him in the Arsenal clip, said he wasnt a big center forward, check the roulette he did for the goal vs Corrigan

[Bielsa´s irish]

Dribble
.
(in soccer, hockey, and basketball) take (the ball) forwards past opponents with slight touches of the feet or the stick



Some of those links above can certainly be considered to meet the definition of “dribbling” even if over only a few seconds or yards.

what do ya’s want from him here lads? He was asked to post clips to back up his claim that Stapleton was a dribbler he has went and done that. I have see countless opinions aired on here with much less evidence to support them and the poster isn’t pulled on it never mind outright hounded about it.

If others don’t agree the clips reflect that and don’t consider Frank Stapleton to be a player who was a particularly good dribbler that is merely a matter of opinion. This is a football forum designed, surely, for the sharing and discussion of differing opinions.

Thank you. My evidence is there, Stapleton got a few injuries at 28 or something lost a bit of pace, he wasnt the tallest 9, but some are angry because i compare Stapleton with Gabriel Batistuta. This is a forum to debate football. Stapleton wasnt a dribbler forward like Kevin Keegan or Craig Bellamy or mcgeady, but he had some flair, the roulette in that goal against 3 defenders is tremendous

[pineapple stu]

Having some flair or being able to create space (or be fouled by a keeper) isn't the same thing as being a dribbler though. By a long shot

[Bielsa´s irish]

Having some flair or being able to create space (or be fouled by a keeper) isn't the same thing as being a dribbler though. By a long shot
Stu, Pffaf brought him down when Frank dribbled past him after a neat through ball from Jim Beglin, that is not a dribble or gambetta or regate as we call it in Italy Spain France and Latin América?

[pineapple stu]

No, he knocked the ball past him (maybe too far)

Anyone can do that. It's not a dribble though

[tetsujin1979]

No, none of them are dribbles. Stapleton was not a dribbler. Stop claiming otherwise. Any time you do, it's an infraction for not following instructions

[SkStu]

Clip 4 - he didn't dribble past Pfaff; he was taken out by him
Clip 3 - not a dribble; he just turned past the two defenders. Good play and a great goal, but not a dribble.
Clip 2 - he in fact turns back to create space rather than try go past the defenders. Again, a great goal, but not a dribble.
Clip 1 - that's a great first touch, not a dribble.

Damien Duff was a dribbler. Stapleton wasn't.

I started reading top of page 33 and saw the comment re: Stapleton. Chuckled and thought it would be mostly ignored but skipped to page 35 and saw this post. :D

[Razors left peg]

Next we'll be talking about Damien Duff being a midfield enforcer in the mould of Gattuso because he once made a tackle.

[pineapple stu]

I started reading top of page 33 and saw the comment re: Stapleton. Chuckled and thought it would be mostly ignored but skipped to page 35 and saw this post. :D
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