whats the obsession with the premiership

[jorge]

why is the whole world in love with the premiership :mad:it is shown in nearly every country in the world when its not even the best league in the world

[sligoman]

I dont know but this should be in off-topic or world football!

[Dan K]

Because it's the best marketed league in the world.

Only the Champion's League is 'packaged' better than the EPL.

[jofyisgod]

Lads, this has been done to death. I mean, just above this at my time of posting is a thead about foreign clubs. These tend to descend into abusive threads anyway with no direction or purpose.

Welcome to foot.ie btw Jorge-you Portuguese?

[jorge]

Lads, this has been done to death. I mean, just above this at my time of posting is a thead about foreign clubs. These tend to descend into abusive threads anyway with no direction or purpose.

Welcome to foot.ie btw Jorge-you Portuguese?
im not getting in to that thread im just amazedat the world wide coverege and following of the EPL i never thought of the marketing but its spot on.Thank you.I am Peruvian mi real name is seoirse

[CollegeTillIDie]

I can't speak for other countries but I think in this country it is a legacy of 800 years of domination by the British. There are a minority of people in this country who although they would deny it vehemently... in their heart of hearts wish they were British... and I don't mean the Unionists in the occupied territories either. Dublin was the most anglicized city under British Rule as there were many army barracks here and the economy of the time was largely dependent on the Occupying Army. And supporting the Premiership and decrying the el as sh1t is the last remnants of this mindset!
:(

Take for example if Peru and its populace was obsessed by La Liga from Spain, it would be a parallel situation.

[Poor Student]

CTID proximity is an element but it is also the overbearing and sheer force of the EPL marketing drive. I know I am mentioning Slovenia all over the place but I have noticed a tendency of football fans there to like the EPL above all foreign leagues too despite bordering Italy. Serbs I have talked to too. EPL games are on the national TV over there live on Saturdays or at least they were. The damn thing is everywhere.

[Poor Student]

By the way it is possibly the best league in the world in some senses. It is really a toss up between Serie A, La Liga and the EPL. Serie A is very much a league depending on your tastes. La Liga has more strength at the top of the league but the bottom two thirds of the EPL is probably stronger. It certainly has a case for being the best. For the last several years they have had 4 teams going into the CL a privilege reserved for only 3 countries based on European performance over the last half decade.

[CollegeTillIDie]

CTID proximity is an element but it is also the overbearing and sheer force of the EPL marketing drive. I know I am mentioning Slovenia all over the place but I have noticed a tendency of football fans there to like the EPL above all foreign leagues too despite bordering Italy. Serbs I have talked to too. EPL games are on the national TV over there live on Saturdays or at least they were. The damn thing is everywhere.

Poor Student

It has been like that since before the EPL was even a concept for crying out loud. Certainly since the 1960's when English soccer started being shown via Piped TV and Communal Aerials on Televisions in this country via BBC NI and UTV and HTV/Wales . That was when the crowds at LOI matches began to decline.

As regards the Serbs, admission prices are also a major issue as they are about 10% of the average industrial wage there. Imagine if EL admission prices were about €57 and you might get some idea. Oh that's about the price of a ticket for the Premiership by the way at some grounds anyhow!

[Poor Student]

CTID I know what you are saying but this has been further compounded by the EPL. Games several times a day and several times a week. Super over hyper advertising and an actual imrpovement of English football from the early 90's where La Liga and Serie A were glamour leagues on a level above them to being in genuine contention for the world's top league has just made it worse. I understand the problems in Serbia but I am simply pointing out many countries show EPL on Saturday at 3 including ourselves on the national television when they have their own domestic leagues. The problem is bad enough to spread to other places without our proximity to make it worse.

[anto1208]

its the most freely avaiable league to most people also a lot more exciting to watch , i prefere to watch english clubs playing than itailian or spanish girls diving all over the place .

and now its nearly back to being the best league in the world , as shown by 2 english club getting to the semis of the cl , and one winning it .

[Dotsy]

I agree that the marketing of the EPL is a huge factor in attracting people to watch it. Surely here the fact that so many Irish play in it has to be a major factor also.

[The Dublin Red]

I can't speak for other countries but I think in this country it is a legacy of 800 years of domination by the British. There are a minority of people in this country who although they would deny it vehemently... in their heart of hearts wish they were British... and I don't mean the Unionists in the occupied territories either. Dublin was the most anglicized city under British Rule as there were many army barracks here and the economy of the time was largely dependent on the Occupying Army. And supporting the Premiership and decrying the el as sh1t is the last remnants of this mindset!
:(

Take for example if Peru and its populace was obsessed by La Liga from Spain, it would be a parallel situation.

No offence but I have to say that is a pathetic post. To say the reason why there is a sizeable following of English clubs here is as a result of people wanting to be British is simply astounding and defies any reason and logic.

For the record.... as an ex student of UCD I can say with real certainty that there were far more 'west brits' there than I have encountered elsewhere.

[Colm55]

I can't speak for other countries but I think in this country it is a legacy of 800 years of domination by the British. There are a minority of people in this country who although they would deny it vehemently... in their heart of hearts wish they were British... and I don't mean the Unionists in the occupied territories either. Dublin was the most anglicized city under British Rule as there were many army barracks here and the economy of the time was largely dependent on the Occupying Army. And supporting the Premiership and decrying the el as sh1t is the last remnants of this mindset!
:(

Take for example if Peru and its populace was obsessed by La Liga from Spain, it would be a parallel situation.

I reckon the two most obvious reasons people in Ireland support the premiership is because one, all our national side play there and in the Championship leagues and football supporters in Ireland like to watch and support football, no matter where its played, Dalymount park or in the jungles of Peru, the closest and best league just happens to be across the stretch of water between ourselves and britain.

Your reasons have left me scratching my head in bewilderment, but we're all entitled to our opinions

[Donal81]

I can't speak for other countries but I think in this country it is a legacy of 800 years of domination by the British. There are a minority of people in this country who although they would deny it vehemently... in their heart of hearts wish they were British... and I don't mean the Unionists in the occupied territories either. Dublin was the most anglicized city under British Rule as there were many army barracks here and the economy of the time was largely dependent on the Occupying Army. And supporting the Premiership and decrying the el as sh1t is the last remnants of this mindset!
:(

Take for example if Peru and its populace was obsessed by La Liga from Spain, it would be a parallel situation.

That's idiotic stuff. It's idiotic on so many levels I'm not going to try and make a proper reply.

[anto1208]

And supporting the Premiership and decrying the el as sh1t is the last remnants of this mindset!
:(

Take for example if Peru and its populace was obsessed by La Liga from Spain, it would be a parallel situation.


it does nt mean you want to be english just because you like to watch the epl , and call the el sh1t .... el is sh1t

[dancinpants]

the closest and best league just happens to be across the stretch of water between ourselves and britain.

Your reasons have left me scratching my head in bewilderment, but we're all entitled to our opinions

To mention Dalymount in one sentence then say that in another? Now THATS bewildering!!!. :rolleyes:

[JoeSemi]

I can't speak for other countries but I think in this country it is a legacy of 800 years of domination by the British. There are a minority of people in this country who although they would deny it vehemently... in their heart of hearts wish they were British... and I don't mean the Unionists in the occupied territories either. Dublin was the most anglicized city under British Rule as there were many army barracks here and the economy of the time was largely dependent on the Occupying Army. And supporting the Premiership and decrying the el as sh1t is the last remnants of this mindset!
:(

Take for example if Peru and its populace was obsessed by La Liga from Spain, it would be a parallel situation.

There's more sh!t in that post than we'll ever be able to comprehend. Cop yourself on like a good man. The war is over and in case you haven't realised its the 21st century. Take a good look at yourself :eek:

[CollegeTillIDie]

There's more sh!t in that post than we'll ever be able to comprehend. Cop yourself on like a good man. The war is over and in case you haven't realised its the 21st century. Take a good look at yourself :eek:

Where is the ****? Stating historical facts about the economic dependence of Dublin on the British Army up to 1922... what's your point?

[CollegeTillIDie]

No offence but I have to say that is a pathetic post. To say the reason why there is a sizeable following of English clubs here is as a result of people wanting to be British is simply astounding and defies any reason and logic.

For the record.... as an ex student of UCD I can say with real certainty that there were far more 'west brits' there than I have encountered elsewhere.

They i.e. West Brits you mention , don't attend EL matches which is precisely my point!

[CollegeTillIDie]

That's idiotic stuff. It's idiotic on so many levels I'm not going to try and make a proper reply.

Do you honestly believe the legacy of English rule has nothing to do with the support for the Premiership and other forms of obliteration of Irish culture? Get real pal

[anto1208]

Do you honestly believe the legacy of English rule has nothing to do with the support for the Premiership and other forms of obliteration of Irish culture? Get real pal

dumbest thing ive ever seen

it absolutly nothing got to do with it , people like footy they like to watch footy from all around the globe not just england ,if your so worried get off this site for an english game and go to a gaa site or one about irish culture and you can talk about the culture of Kiddnapping , rape, torture , slavery ,incest ,peadophilia and desease that used to exsist in ireland .

[Donal81]

Do you honestly believe the legacy of English rule has nothing to do with the support for the Premiership and other forms of obliteration of Irish culture? Get real pal

You've just compounded the ridiculousness of your last post. This is actually one of the worst attempts at anthropology I've ever seen in my life.

We secretly want to be British, that's right, you've cracked it. You really should take your theories on the road, lofty ideas like that deserve recognition.

[stojkovic]

The reason is simple - TV.

Crowds in Ireland were 30000-40000 before the World Cup in 66 and the European Cup of 68. Both televised live on TV and thats where the decline started.

It did not help with the mis-management of LOI clubs through the 70s and 80s and the incompetence of endless FAI officials.

The situation got worse of course for a new generation when Rupert Murdoch invented football in 1992 with the launch of Sky at the same time as the Premier League was founded.

Remember football was dead in the eighties and when re-born in England in 1992 they had the Irish Italia 90 ole olers as a ready made market.

[pete]

The reason is simple - TV.

Crowds in Ireland were 30000-40000 before the World Cup in 66 and the European Cup of 68. Both televised live on TV and thats where the decline started.
It did not help with the mis-management of LOI clubs through the 70s and 80s and the incompetence of endless FAI officials.

I remember Rico saying that the LOPI teams never reacted to live UK football. When the Big Match started in the UK LOI clubs did not move the time of their kick offs & apparently crowds plummeted in early 70's.

[Poor Student]

I remember Rico saying that the LOPI teams never reacted to live UK football. When the Big Match started in the UK LOI clubs did not move the time of their kick offs & apparently crowds plummeted in early 70's.

Though why should we even have had to react?

[anto1208]

The reason is simple - TV.

Crowds in Ireland were 30000-40000 before the World Cup in 66 and the European Cup of 68. Both televised live on TV and thats where the decline started.

It did not help with the mis-management of LOI clubs through the 70s and 80s and the incompetence of endless FAI officials.

The situation got worse of course for a new generation when Rupert Murdoch invented football in 1992 with the launch of Sky at the same time as the Premier League was founded.

Remember football was dead in the eighties and when re-born in England in 1992 they had the Irish Italia 90 ole olers as a ready made market.

do you mean irish football was dead , coz i was living in england in the 80's and it was very much alive .

to say sky or even tv ruined soccer in ireland is right , but its hardly a bad thing why should people go to watch a rubbish team play badly in a rubbish league , when there is a good match on tv

[pete]

to say sky or even tv ruined soccer in ireland is right , but its hardly a bad thing why should people go to watch a rubbish team play badly in a rubbish league , when there is a good match on tv

Quality is all relative. Scottish football is rubbish relative to Spanish football but is probably quality compared to say Malta.

[Dublin12]

I used to go to the EL in the 70's early 80's,stopped cos I went away,anyway was at a game recently and the facilities were still the same,you'd need to bring a pair of overalls to protect your clothes :eek: ,although the standard of play has improved slightly,I would rather travel to Leeds to support my team.

[anto1208]

Quality is all relative. Scottish football is rubbish relative to Spanish football but is probably quality compared to say Malta.

yea so when you have a choice of two the better one will allways win out the the prem league is miles and miles ahead of the el

[Macy]

The reason is simple - TV.

Crowds in Ireland were 30000-40000 before the World Cup in 66 and the European Cup of 68. Both televised live on TV and thats where the decline started.

A fella in work says the same; he used to get a season ticket to guarantee getting into Milltown, as you couldn't be sure as pay at the gate. He says it all changed with Match of the Day and ready access to seeing English football.

Fair comment about English football and the premiership, and the Italia 90 supporters. Friendlies used to be pretty common over here in the early 90's, then they moved to Scandinavia and now it's the Far East. It's all about get the market hooked and move on. The Irish were the first to fall for it....

Anto, English football was on it's knee's in the 80's - shít grounds, hooliganism, shít crowds, social outcasts. Took Italia 90 to make it cool again.

Dublin 12 - what ground were you in, as it's a long time since that's been a problem, unless it was the Connaught Street side of Dayler? And besides, obviously never bothered you in the rubbish grounds pre Taylor report in England...

[stojkovic]

do you mean irish football was dead , coz i was living in england in the 80's and it was very much alive .

to say sky or even tv ruined soccer in ireland is right , but its hardly a bad thing why should people go to watch a rubbish team play badly in a rubbish league , when there is a good match on tv
In England. Crowds were down, clubs going bankrupt, stadiums in bits, little tv or sponsor money. Economy is sh1te, inner city riots.

I worked in England too. For a company who supplied the FA. I had inside knowledge about the state of the game and visited Lancaster Gate a number of times.

I had a copy of 'Blueprint for Football' before most people. That document contained the formation of the Premier League and everything that followed.

Regarding changing kick off times and why should we.

We did change kick off times. The FAI wanted the govt to block Sky's signal. Sky paid alot of money to the FAI to allow clubs install floodlights so they could switch to Friday nights.

[anto1208]

english teams were the best in europe in the early 80's untill liverpool got everyone banned . the economy in england may have been sh1t which is going to have a bad affect on every thing that has to be paid for i n the country , but to say it was on its knees is a bit much , i travelled all around england watching games and very rarely was there any even half empty stadium . attendences dropping from 40 k to 30 k is bad but the game was nt on its knees .

the stadiums them selves may have been in a poor state but everything in the 80's was rubbish ,

itailia 90 made it cool again do ye not remember mexico 86 !!! or all the europeen cup finals with english clubs in the 80's

[pete]

I used to go to the EL in the 70's early 80's,stopped cos I went away,anyway was at a game recently and the facilities were still the same,you'd need to bring a pair of overalls to protect your clothes :eek: ,although the standard of play has improved slightly,I would rather travel to Leeds to support my team.

I don't know what ground you been to recently but facilities for the top clubs have changed a lot.

In early 90's Cork City had 1 covered terrace behind goal & 3 mudbanks.
Today fully surfaced ground, covered seating on 2 grounds, uncovered on 1 side & old covered terrace still remains for now.

I get comments from family members thinking i need to bring boots for the mud still but its a misguided view.

irish stadiums in all sports are sh!te. Best eL grounds are no worse than similar size rugby or GAA grounds.

[stojkovic]

english teams were the best in europe in the early 80's untill liverpool got everyone banned . the economy in england may have been sh1t which is going to have a bad affect on every thing that has to be paid for i n the country , but to say it was on its knees is a bit much , i travelled all around england watching games and very rarely was there any even half empty stadium . attendences dropping from 40 k to 30 k is bad but the game was nt on its knees .

the stadiums them selves may have been in a poor state but everything in the 80's was rubbish ,

itailia 90 made it cool again do ye not remember mexico 86 !!! or all the europeen cup finals with english clubs in the 80's
Ok I will be specific - 1985 to 1992.
Yes I remember mexico 86 when England lost to Portugal and drew with Morocco - whats your point ?
Italia 90 has gone down in history as the WORST World Cup EVER and initiated alot of rule changes - back pass, offiside etc.

If the game was not on its kness then WHY oh WHY did the FA step in and re-structure the game ?

Thatcher wanted England to pull out of Euro88 and Italia90

[Dublin12]

I was at UCD,Tolka and Dayler,in fairness though they have improved slightly but not an awful lot,Cork looks a tidy little ground from what I've seen on the TV.I am trying my best to go back and following the league,it's hard though when some of the quality of football is on a par with some good Sunday league clubs.I might pop along to Bohs/Rovers this friday though,always a bit lively at that one :D

[Schumi]

I was at UCD,Tolka and Dayler
and you needed "a pair of overalls to protect your clothes"?

[anto1208]

Ok I will be specific - 1985 to 1992.
Yes I remember mexico 86 when England lost to Portugal and drew with Morocco - whats your point ?
Italia 90 has gone down in history as the WORST World Cup EVER and initiated alot of rule changes - back pass, offiside etc.

If the game was not on its kness then WHY oh WHY did the FA step in and re-structure the game ?

Thatcher wanted England to pull out of Euro88 and Italia90

some one said it took italia 90 to make soccer cool again , i was pointing out 86 was a class comp ( not specific to england )

they stepped in because it was on a decline but i was in england in 89 and every week the ground was full so to say it was on its knees is an bit much .

[Dublin12]

Schumi..yeah correct and a pair of ear plugs as the singing was deafening :D

[Macy]

they stepped in because it was on a decline but i was in england in 89 and every week the ground was full so to say it was on its knees is an bit much .
At Everton? One of the top teams - not really a true bench mark on the whole league.

[anto1208]

At Everton? One of the top teams - not really a true bench mark on the whole league.

at the time they were one of the best teams but also for the last 15 years when they were struggling with relegation battles they were still getting average crowds of 35 k .

i also lived in norwich , not one of the big teams and they allways filled there ground every game .

any way small teams allways have smaller crowds even today look at fulham
you cant use the excuse everton were a huge club that is why they had big crowds

[Macy]

But 35k wouldn't have been capacity back in the late 80's, and would've been decent crowds. Now 35k isn't that great.

Small teams have always had smaller crowds, true, but there has been a fall off in recent seasons and clubs in false positions will always do less well. By false positions, I mean positions and teams not justified by the money the club actually brings in, Fulham and Blackburn would be prime examples...

[Poor Student]

and you needed "a pair of overalls to protect your clothes"?

The passage way from the main campus past the athletics track in Belfield can be a bit messy if it has been raining or at least it used to be.

[OwlsFan]

Nothing to do with the presentation of the PL: the Irish papers have been full of the English leagues since as long as I remember and well before Sky took an interest. In a national school in Ireland in the 1960s we nearly all chose an English team to follow - there was always that interest no doubt influenced by the mass emigration from Ireland to England, where Irish people moved to the big cities in England and followed clubs there and also because it was bigger and better than our own game. I used to go to Rovers a lot then - big crowds at Milltown and Dalymount for Cup Finals but I still regarded the English league as the epitome of soccer. As it was - if you were a good Irish player you went to the English leagues to play and still do.

I'm not even sure how my soccer in interest grew since my parents were from Roscommon and Waterford respectively and I played GAA and hurling at national school and rugby at secondary school but I always loved soccer. I think it was the international aspect of the game that appealed to me and the Irish playing in England and the Irish team representing me on the international stage.

[CollegeTillIDie]

dumbest thing ive ever seen

it absolutly nothing got to do with it , people like footy they like to watch footy from all around the globe not just england ,if your so worried get off this site for an english game and go to a gaa site or one about irish culture and you can talk about the culture of Kiddnapping , rape, torture , slavery ,incest ,peadophilia and desease that used to exsist in ireland .

Jeez Louise.... have you got a large bunch of chips on your shoulder or what? :eek: Bogball is a crap game with 15 bouncers a team and a ball to confuse the issue. The GAA is an insular organisation which has done nothing to promote it's real asset of a game hurling. Who the f***k said Soccer was an English game... they only gave it rules. ..... satisfied?

[Donal81]

Jeez Louise.... have you got a large bunch of chips on your shoulder or what? :eek: Bogball is a crap game with 15 bouncers a team and a ball to confuse the issue. The GAA is an insular organisation which has done nothing to promote it's real asset of a game hurling. Who the f***k said Soccer was an English game... they only gave it rules. ..... satisfied?

How do you do it? Honestly, will you tell me how you manage to come up with this priceless stuff and make each post more idiotic and full of holes than the one before that? Now I know you're taking the mick.

[anto1208]

Who the f***k said Soccer was an English game... they only gave it rules. ..... satisfied?

mmmmmmmmmm maybe the fact it was invented and first played in england makes it an english game , same way as when newyork play gaa they are playing an irish game not an american one

[stojkovic]

mmmmmmmmmm maybe the fact it was invented and first played in england makes it an english game , same way as when newyork play gaa they are playing an irish game not an american one
A form of football was first played in CHINA.

[Frank Blue]

A form of football was first played in CHINA.

Still doesn't make them the inventors of the game that we know today does it? Baseball originally comes from the UK, but no one plays it anymore, except for girls. :D

And it was the Scots who invented the passing game.

[stojkovic]

Still doesn't make them the inventors of the game that we know today does it? Baseball originally comes from the UK, but no one plays it anymore, except for girls. :D

And it was the Scots who invented the passing game.
Ok its a World Game.
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