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NeilMcD
26/05/2005, 4:17 PM
NeilMcD you are saying “I can’t understand this" and “I can’t understand that.”

Truth is: you have just never fallen in love with a football club! However, by the looks of things plenty of people on here have.

When a club gets under your skin (let’s say Liverpool), you don’t consider yourself to be supporting a “foreign team”, geography doesn’t even enter your head, instead they become YOUR team, not the city of Liverpool’s team, not England’s team, but YOUR team.

Over time you continue to invest time, money, emotion, EVERYTHING into this club, and the passion simply grows and grows.

I know plenty of extremely passionate Liverpool fans who barely, if ever, go over to Anfield.

But their days are spent thinking about Liverpool. About what team will Benitez put out next week? About who they should sign next season? About what formation they should play against Milan etc. etc.

It’s the only soap opera they’re interested and they spend more time thinking about Liverpool than they do about their jobs, their families, or even their girlfriends.

Does it make sense? To every passionate club football fan yes, but to someone like you who has never experienced such a bond with a club then understandably no!

My mate has been going out with this girl for two years, she is annoying, demanding, has no personality, and isn’t particulary good looking. I can’t understand how he puts up with her, but he does, because he loves her, and you got to respect that, because you can’t choose who you fall in love with. Same thing applies to football clubs

I have no doubt that when Liverpool fans say that last night was the greatest day of their lives, that they really mean it. It must have been a stunning payoff for someone who has cared about the club for an extended period of time.

However, having said all that, I’m always trying to encourage people to follow an Eircom League side too, because your passion for a club only increases when you get to see them in the flesh on a regular basis.

Same goes for international football too - I’m sure your passion for the Irish team increased when you first saw them play? And then further still when you saw them play away for the first time?

But basically Neil, when it comes to the crunch, there is no real rhyme or reason towards supporting one football team over another, and certainly there are no geographical ‘rules’ that should have to be obeyed.

You say you can’t understand why so many people go ga ga over a win for an English team - well for them it is not a victory for England but a victory for themselves, and I say let them enjoy it!

Well done Liverpool fans – I’m fuming with jealousy!


Fair play good post.


I dont understand people falling in love with a team from a foreign country. I am hardly alone in that though. I think many people find it perplexing about Irish soceity that we all hate England to win but yet support English football teams. It is said time and time again when I go abroad. And yes I have travelled despite some people alleging I have never left home without backign it up with any facts.

TheOwl
26/05/2005, 4:24 PM
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=25481

Eircom League lads are debating this issue too, on a more appropriately title thread than "Finnan's performance in Champions League final" too!

Karlos
26/05/2005, 9:00 PM
I think many people find it perplexing about Irish soceity that we all hate England to win but yet support English football teams.

Don't wish to drag this argument on any further but I think it should be clarified that we all do not hate England to win. :)

Fergie's Son
26/05/2005, 9:45 PM
something slightly pathetic seeing Irish guys in Liverpool jerseys celebrating like it was the best night of their lives. I know that we all want to belong to something bigger, and bask in reflected glory etc. and that is hardly possible with the Eircom league clubs in Europe ..

Then again .. I suppose its not only an irish thing in this global football marketplace.

Give me a 1-0 against Holland anytime above all that stuff.

Thank you. You wrote exactly what I have been feeling. I received numerous texts and emails about how Dublin has "shut down" because of the result. Makes no sense to me. I'm a United fan and have been for 20+ years (since they played Home Farm in 82') but that does not mean I'd get that excited just because they won the CL.

Ireland first, then Dublin then everyone else.

tricky_colour
26/05/2005, 10:02 PM
Just though I would point out that it is not only the Irish who support
some of the top Premiership teams, ie teams from a different country it
is quite common.
I took a look at the Liverpool message boards and there were messages
of congratulation from fans from virtually ever country under the sun:- China, the Philipines, Poland, Italy (Inter supporters), USA, Spain. Austrailia Thailand,
Germany, Belguim, South Africa....
Obviously one of the reasons is that these clulbs have been successful
and like it or not the chances of an Irish club winning a major trophy
are pretty remote.

thejollyrodger
26/05/2005, 10:22 PM
why the **** cant irish people support liverpool if they want ? irish interest has always been there with liverpool and thought it was great seeing the irish flags in the ground ... though we should all just go to league of ireland games shouldnt we ..

Cos none of them bother their holes going out and supporting Shels in Europe FFS or Shels winning the E.L :mad:

hudhastings
27/05/2005, 1:23 AM
Don't wish to drag this argument on any further but I think it should be clarified that we all do not hate England to win. :)

yes we do exeption 4 you_

dr_peepee
27/05/2005, 2:19 AM
I actualy like England to win.... Only to get far enough to be beaten when it matters like in the Quaters or the Semi's. It seems to hurt them that little bit more...

I feel the same about Man U...

Karlos
27/05/2005, 7:39 AM
yes we do exeption 4 you_

not true, i know many other folk who can separate sport from historical issues and are happy to see a country where they have lived, have many friends, have english wives, husbands, girlfriends, like the english players in their team etc etc...to win.


Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if England won something, I only care about Ireland winning or not winning things. :)

zinedineontour
27/05/2005, 8:02 AM
Cos none of them bother their holes going out and supporting Shels in Europe FFS or Shels winning the E.L :mad:

do they not no ? ok so for example my friends who were in turkey supporting liverpool with there tricolour are also shels season tickets holders and travelled to split and coruna to see the boys this season ! dont generalise just cause someone supports an english team it means they dont support loi ? i support sunderland regularly go over but i also go to shels a lot so if i bring a tricolour to sunderland am i a bad person ?

some people should get there loi glasses off and wake up and smell the reality . not everyone who has tricolour at english games doesnt come near loi .. and even if they dont so what ? its what people are brought up with ,, once we all pull together and support ireland thats what matters ..

thought it was great seeing the tricolours in turkey myself ..well done lads

eirebhoy
27/05/2005, 11:00 AM
not true, i know many other folk who can separate sport from historical issues and are happy to see a country where they have lived, have many friends, have english wives, husbands, girlfriends, like the english players in their team etc etc...to win.


Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if England won something, I only care about Ireland winning or not winning things. :)
I absolutely cannot stand England winning in any sport or event. I've just been brought up that way. Although, most of the younger generation are pro-England in football these days.

NeilMcD
27/05/2005, 11:23 AM
Its the media and some of there players that wreck my head. Some of the ignorant view they express sometimes is unreal. Jamie Carragher before the Champions League final said on Football Focus, that Liverpool should be allowed to defend the title and said that some little club should be thrown out in order to allow them to defend it. It was the arrogance and ignorance of his tone and the statement itself that annoyed me. He has had a great tournament but he will always be a ******** in my eyes for that.

tetsujin1979
27/05/2005, 12:10 PM
I absolutely cannot stand England winning in any sport or event. I've just been brought up that way. Although, most of the younger generation are pro-England in football these days.

Completely agree, not so much the winning as the fact that we (more than any other country due to the amount of their channels we get) would have to listen to them go on (and on, and on, and on, and..) about how they're the greatest in the world at it, how they'll go on to dominate the sport for decades.

paul_oshea
27/05/2005, 12:19 PM
I absolutely cannot stand England winning in any sport or event. I've just been brought up that way.

well said. a pity more didnt think like you, it is changing though you are right.

NeilMcD
27/05/2005, 1:06 PM
Tommy Tiernan said it best when he said he has nothing against the English he just does not like them to do well in things like sport and wars. Or that they go around conquering the world and invading other peoples countries and then get annoyed when those people decide to follow them home.

FarBeag
27/05/2005, 11:24 PM
Never want them to win anything and never will.Jesus when they lost to Portugal in Euro 2004 we celebrated for a week.Even doing so badly in the Euro song contest was great.It's nothing political its just the way they remind the whole nation day in day out for years.ffs they are still talking about 1966.

zinedineontour
28/05/2005, 9:23 AM
Never want them to win anything and never will.Jesus when they lost to Portugal in Euro 2004 we celebrated for a week.Even doing so badly in the Euro song contest was great.It's nothing political its just the way they remind the whole nation day in day out for years.ffs they are still talking about 1966.

agree there . when france beat england in euro04 was brillaint ... but doesnt mean we should abuse our own for supporting english club sides .... once everyone pulls together for ireland thats what matters

eirebhoy
28/05/2005, 12:43 PM
Forgive me but I actually watched the Eurovision aftershow thing on BBC3 last week. They were talking to a lot of the contestants and not once did they say anything about their performance. They spent the 45 minutes asking people why they didn't vote for them, why they didn't get more votes, etc. Most of them just wanted to ask them if it had anything to do with the song or performance. One of them did say though that whether there is political voting or not, the best song usually always wins anyway. They won't accept it though. :)

dr_peepee
28/05/2005, 9:40 PM
From an article on Soccernet regarding Benitez rebuilding for next next year

"Full-back Steve Finnan spent most of the early season benched in favour of Josemi. He has been fortunate in that his rival's impetuosity won him a spot in the side. But Finnan was culpable for both Crespo goals and was subbed at half-time. With earnings from being European champions said to eventually total £50m, Benitez will surely look to reinforce here."

Harsh.... To say the very least.

And I don't recall Finnan being benched for MOST of the early season either.

Emmet
29/05/2005, 8:18 AM
Finnan was not at fault for any of Milan's goals - the first two came about because of Traore and the third came about because Luis Garcia (I think) gave the ball away very cheaply while Liverpool were going forward. Milan countered very quickly and none of Liverpool's defenders had time to re-organise.

The commentator on Sky definately said he had an injury and was taken off because of that ... nothing to do with his performance.

eirebhoy
29/05/2005, 1:00 PM
Aye, he had a scan on Friday.

Stuttgart88
29/05/2005, 5:21 PM
Finnan has been quality for Liverpool throughout 2005. I'd be amazed if Benitez doesn't appreciate that.