Cork AUL Premier & Premier A 2019/20

[SteveSilvermint]

Cork aul cancelled
The season didn't happen new season new start in all I think very fair.

[donaldihno]

I agree,right decision in the end
You still gotta feel for the clubs going for honours .
Bohs in a cup final set for turners cross etc

[SteveSilvermint]

I agree,right decision in the end
You still gotta feel for the clubs going for honours .
Bohs in a cup final set for turners cross etc

It's only football ..people have attended funerals ..good call in my opinion.

[legend23]

Cant see many fellas going back playing nxt season with this virus still going around ders more to life than football these days i remember wen i was 17/18 football came first before family/work etc now these days its the least of any fellas priority thats my opinion anyway.

[buzzkill]

Fair play to the school boys league for giving some clarity to the league situation, FAI announcement was last week and still nothing from the AUL. With the 6 clubs leaving no way the sections can be complete so they should just null and void the leagues.

Assuming that no more clubs/teams fold its a chance to fix the sections. This is based on league positions with games played and cup runs, 4 sections 10 to premier, 1st, 2nd section, 11 in the 3rd due to number of teams, just my opinion. Might be a few miss matches in the 3rd but what can you do! As Steve said no need for a premier A any more with 40ish teams left.


Premier


1
Bohemians


2
Coachford


3
Glenthorn Celtic A


4
Grattan United


5
Knocknaheeney Celtic


6
St. John Bosco A


7
Glen Celtic


8
Temple United


9
Village United


10
Greenwood A

1st Division


1
Rathcoole Rovers


2
Tower


3
Waterloo


4
Corkbeg


5
Donoughmore Athletic


6
Springfield


7
Central Rovers


8
Dunbar Celtic


9
CFC Banteer


10
South Coast Athletic

2nd


1
Blackpool Celtic


2
Cathedral Celtic


3
Kilmichael Rovers


4
Rylane Celtic


5
Strand United


6
UCC


7
Castleview


8
Grangevale


9
Hibernians


10
Knockraha


3rd Division


1
Blackstone Rovers


2
Bweeng Celtic


3
Cloughduv Celtic


4
Glenthorn Celtic B


5
Killumney United


6
Richmond


7
St. John Bosco B


8
Ard-na-Laoi


9
Churchvilla


10
Los Zarcos


11
Watergrasshill United

















Very well thought out, did you forget about pearse Celtic? Also about clubs with a b team? Right call all round to cancel the league, but to think they are aiming for a September return to the 20/21 season? Madness.

[SteveSilvermint]

Very well thought out, did you forget about pearse Celtic? Also about clubs with a b team? Right call all round to cancel the league, but to think they are aiming for a September return to the 20/21 season? Madness.
Calls and life is that bit easier to make when your after 15 free pints in the klin suite in henikin Ireland .

[Upstaball]

Very well thought out, did you forget about pearse Celtic? Also about clubs with a b team? Right call all round to cancel the league, but to think they are aiming for a September return to the 20/21 season? Madness.


Well laid out, but Kanturk, Ballinhassig and City Wanderers seem to be missing

[Dr. football]

Very well thought out, did you forget about pearse Celtic? Also about clubs with a b team? Right call all round to cancel the league, but to think they are aiming for a September return to the 20/21 season? Madness.

6 clubs rumoured to be leaving, these clubs were not in my list.

[Dr. football]

6 clubs rumoured to be leaving, these clubs were not in my list.

Innishvila pearse City wanders buttevent and macroom. Rumoured so not included.

[buzzkill]

Innishvila pearse City wanders buttevent and macroom. Rumoured so not included.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to own your own ground to go MSL?

[SteveSilvermint]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to own your own ground to go MSL?

All of the team's do bar 1 I think..

[buzzkill]

All of the team's do bar 1 I think..

City wanderers play out of CIT no? And Pearse out of the community pitches in togher?

[SteveSilvermint]

City wanderers play out of CIT no? And Pearse out of the community pitches in togher?
Are city wanders not representative of cit itself ...pearse I know don't own their pitch.

[CBL20]

2 pieces of news for ye in relation to the CBL, first and foremost the 2019 / 2020 season will not be completed.
https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/0...9-2020-season/ (https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/05/24/cbl-statement-2019-2020-season/)


Secondly, we have just announced a partnership with CR Coaching to provide some support and coaching sessions to our clubs when football does return.
https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/0...-announcement/ (https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/05/24/cbl-cr-coaching-announcement/)
​

[Dr. football]

Are city wanders not representative of cit itself ...pearse I know don't own their pitch.


Don’t glasheen and Killeen play in Murphy’s Farm?

[Dr. football]

2 pieces of news for ye in relation to the CBL, first and foremost the 2019 / 2020 season will not be completed.
https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/0...9-2020-season/ (https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/05/24/cbl-statement-2019-2020-season/)


Secondly, we have just announced a partnership with CR Coaching to provide some support and coaching sessions to our clubs when football does return.
https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/0...-announcement/ (https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/05/24/cbl-cr-coaching-announcement/)
​

Excellent stuff.

[SteveSilvermint]

2 pieces of news for ye in relation to the CBL, first and foremost the 2019 / 2020 season will not be completed.
https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/0...9-2020-season/ (https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/05/24/cbl-statement-2019-2020-season/)


Secondly, we have just announced a partnership with CR Coaching to provide some support and coaching sessions to our clubs when football does return.
https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/0...-announcement/ (https://corkbusinessleague.ie/2020/05/24/cbl-cr-coaching-announcement/)
​looking at how the business league site is run and lookin at that post the aul should be ashamed of themselves ... business league is a well ran organisation.

[buzzkill]

Don’t glasheen and Killeen play in Murphy’s Farm?

Yes they do, but both clubs own those pitches.

[JaketheSnake]

Yes they do, but both clubs own those pitches.

Arent they community owned pitches?? I think Wilton have a 100 year lease on their grounds. Bandon is a community field as well? Leesides pitch is community owned as well isnt it?

[JaketheSnake]

So as we are still in Lockdown I was wondering how many teams had left the AUL recently . if the 5 clubs get accepted to the MSL it will change my figures slightly but not much . Did anyone hear anything about appeals?

I compared the league tables from 2013/2014 season with the current league tables . Made for some interesting reading.

82 teams played in the 2013/14 season
51 teams played in the 2019/20 season that represents a loss of 37%in 6 seasons
If the rumoured clubs that have applied to leave are left go that will leave 43 teams in the aul which would mean that league would have lost 48% of competing teams over 7 season’s .
So where did clubs go ?
Kilreen Park Lakewood and Carrigtowhil left for Msl taking 6 teams
Clubs like Ballinhassig Douglas Carrigaline who were already Msl but had kept teams in aul left accounting for 4 teams
Clubs that folded their 2nd teams account for 9
Clubs that folded out right account for 12 Blarney Street Fairview Glenvale De Croucey Albion Afton Villa Hillington Shandon Celtic Dillions Cross Greenmount Millstreet Leeview Glanworth
Clubs that moved to another league body other then Aul account for 2 teams 1 to Limerick Desmond and another to West Cork League.

The above figures are to best of my knowledge but it shows that either interest in football is falling across the board or is it just that Clubs have lost interest in the aul ? But then looking at clubs that have folded 2 teams it looks like football has fallen in general or have those players moved to other leagues clubs? Also with the break in football we just had and with the country heading for another economic crash we could possible see clubs struggle to finance themselves and might have to fold.
In 2019/20 67 teams played in MSL/MJL. In 2013/14 58 clubs played in MSL/MJL that’s an increase of 9 teams so that league grew by 15%
The Cork Business league currently has 19 teams I couldn’t find old tables to compare
West Cork League had 20 teams in 2019/20 season same couldn’t find old tables to compare
Looking at what Clubs are left you could possibly see Coachford Kanturk Greenwood and Corkbeg leave as well all have good facilities and all have an under age structure to feed the club if they were to go aswell just stating its possible they would have similar stuctures to other clubs that have left .

[Upstaball]

Great post. Heard that the appeals were heard yesterday and have come down in favour of the clubs afik Innishvilla, Macroom, Buttevant and Pearse

[Common sense]

That’s abit of work many new clubs join ? Didn’t south coast Kilmichael move to Aul not sure of many more . If the above figures are true it would seem like the Aul is like a roundabout. What’s happening are just a bunch of lads coming together and forming clubs with their friends for a few years then bailing ? How can that be addressed by the Aul surely they can’t be held accountable for clubs folding ? I know they could put stricter criteria around new clubs but then a lot of lads that wanted to play wouldn’t have teams to go to so in that effect the Aul are facilitating football to the public in Cork . It’s a hard call maybe if Aul has implemented certain standards back in the late 90’s early 00’s they might have built up a stronger core of clubs helped them with funding helped and pushed clubs to develop if funding direct from Aul wasn’t an option they could have provided information help meetings asked clubs to present their plans for development and then helped guide and push that club towards grants etc introducing them to the correct people to contact maybe. But then again if they had implemented stronger standards how many clubs teams wouldn’t have a league to play in ?? So it’s a tough one do the Aul now look at themselves and try an implement change ?? Giving clubs a 5 year grace to bring in standards by asking clubs to come up with a 5 year plan and the Aul then using its organization to help and guide those clubs in the right directions ( maybe tie clubs to Aul for 10 years if Aul help them ) or does it continue as normal and watch clubs grow in their league and then move . It’s hard to call how many 1 team clubs are happy just to kick a ball around I would say lots and I’d have no issue with that as they are providing an outlet for football in cork which is much needed so do Aul which are providing football for those clubs rush losing them to other league bodies or do Aul decide they are better then that and implement change probably losing a lot of those 1 club teams and resulting in smaller numbers in the Aul what do you do ?? Do you as Aul brave it out implement it and continue with smaller numbers or do you provide a league for all knowing that every year you’ll lose clubs etc I don’t envy the Aul tough calls ahead but in my opinion the Aul will always be here they provide a league and an avenue for players to play week in week out .

[JaketheSnake]

That’s abit of work many new clubs join ? Didn’t south coast Kilmichael move to Aul not sure of many more . If the above figures are true it would seem like the Aul is like a roundabout. What’s happening are just a bunch of lads coming together and forming clubs with their friends for a few years then bailing ? How can that be addressed by the Aul surely they can’t be held accountable for clubs folding ? I know they could put stricter criteria around new clubs but then a lot of lads that wanted to play wouldn’t have teams to go to so in that effect the Aul are facilitating football to the public in Cork . It’s a hard call maybe if Aul has implemented certain standards back in the late 90’s early 00’s they might have built up a stronger core of clubs helped them with funding helped and pushed clubs to develop if funding direct from Aul wasn’t an option they could have provided information help meetings asked clubs to present their plans for development and then helped guide and push that club towards grants etc introducing them to the correct people to contact maybe. But then again if they had implemented stronger standards how many clubs teams wouldn’t have a league to play in ?? So it’s a tough one do the Aul now look at themselves and try an implement change ?? Giving clubs a 5 year grace to bring in standards by asking clubs to come up with a 5 year plan and the Aul then using its organization to help and guide those clubs in the right directions ( maybe tie clubs to Aul for 10 years if Aul help them ) or does it continue as normal and watch clubs grow in their league and then move . It’s hard to call how many 1 team clubs are happy just to kick a ball around I would say lots and I’d have no issue with that as they are providing an outlet for football in cork which is much needed so do Aul which are providing football for those clubs rush losing them to other league bodies or do Aul decide they are better then that and implement change probably losing a lot of those 1 club teams and resulting in smaller numbers in the Aul what do you do ?? Do you as Aul brave it out implement it and continue with smaller numbers or do you provide a league for all knowing that every year you’ll lose clubs etc I don’t envy the Aul tough calls ahead but in my opinion the Aul will always be here they provide a league and an avenue for players to play week in week out .

Didnt they have a 5 year plan years ago? Maybe someone that is around the AUL longer than me could answer that ? Does not look like that worked out well for them . The Shipping league looks like a better organised option for the one team clubs at the moment . But maybe that is because they only have 20 teams?

[Play it out]

Very interesting read on clubs that have gone, a real shame.

I quite liked the bigger 1st and 2nd divisions this season, it's a pity it never got to finish with the virus.

[JaketheSnake]

Very interesting read on clubs that have gone, a real shame.

I quite liked the bigger 1st and 2nd divisions this season, it's a pity it never got to finish with the virus.

Like the post from common sense says they must do something or else there will be more teams go . Teams folding the AUL cant do much about i guess.

[Common sense]

Your right Jake back 20 years ago the MSl and Aul came to an understanding that the MSl would not accept any teams from Aul to give Aul the chance to build the league and establish standards . This came about in the late 90’s early 00’s after an influx of teams left Aul to join MSl . If you look back no teams transferred for years due to that agreement that was in place . Not much was done by the Aul bar a change to their own rules rule 7c ) All clubs seeking admission/readmission to membership of the league must provide a ground, with dressing facilities for the referee and their opponents, over which it shall have sole control on match days.
The Aul to best of my knowledge didn’t help clubs or provide clubs with information or provide guidance on how this would be achieved. Basically they bought time off the MSL . Their has been bad blood since as the MSL has agreed in good faith and took Aul at their word that they would implement it but all it turned out to be was basically the Aul saying x to buy time basically making fools out of MSl .

[JaketheSnake]

Your right Jake back 20 years ago the MSl and Aul came to an understanding that the MSl would not accept any teams from Aul to give Aul the chance to build the league and establish standards . This came about in the late 90’s early 00’s after an influx of teams left Aul to join MSl . If you look back no teams transferred for years due to that agreement that was in place . Not much was done by the Aul bar a change to their own rules rule 7c ) All clubs seeking admission/readmission to membership of the league must provide a ground, with dressing facilities for the referee and their opponents, over which it shall have sole control on match days.
The Aul to best of my knowledge didn’t help clubs or provide clubs with information or provide guidance on how this would be achieved. Basically they bought time off the MSL . Their has been bad blood since as the MSL has agreed in good faith and took Aul at their word that they would implement it but all it turned out to be was basically the Aul saying x to buy time basically making fools out of MSl .

So you are basically saying the AUL lied to the MSL . Did nothing and are now trying to block clubs leaving. The AUL couldnt run a bath . Silvermint is right all they are interested in is free pints in the Kiln . Actually I am wrong the are capable of running something ------- running their league into the ground

[Dr. football]

So you are basically saying the AUL lied to the MSL . Did nothing and are now trying to block clubs leaving. The AUL couldnt run a bath . Silvermint is right all they are interested in is free pints in the Kiln . Actually I am wrong the are capable of running something ------- running their league into the ground

Lots of interesting points,

No coincidence we went through a big reduction in teams that folded since the last financial crash and if you look at the larger employers around cork they all have gone to a shift work, not as many fellas working in building sites etc so all the clubs that have folded had no under age making it harder to find players

If you look at MSL lots of bigger clubs have 2/3 junior teams this is also effecting AUL. If they want to remain they need to look to the bigger clubs to get in 2nd 3rd teams at this stage because very few new clubs forming.

Top of my head castleview are the only MSL senior side with a 2nd side in the AUL, and they are in good form over passed year winning 3rd division and would have went close this season. They might fancy going MSL them selfs.

[JaketheSnake]

Cant speak about every club that has dropped out but i dont think most of them dropped out due to a lack of finances

[Dr. football]

Cant speak about every club that has dropped out but i dont think most of them dropped out due to a lack of finances
Didn’t mean club finances just meant players working shift work etc,

[Play it out]

Castleview came third last year and were asked if they'd go up.

[SteveSilvermint]

Didn’t mean club finances just meant players working shift work etc,
Most fella.s just don't care 1year after leeside..Wilton and Kinsale left the challenge was gone ..no competition....just my opinion no one wants to be handed honours.

[Dr. football]

Did a little table out to finish the Premier section out based on % of points currently against remining games as i have seen some leagues are finishing like this, what do people think this way you can have promotions and relegations( not fair to call them champions, also if 5 teams are leaving will be movement no doubt in the sections. was is a bit scued seen as Coachford have 3 games played with 100% record they get max points, no matter how good a team is they would have dropped some points, gratten had added players and would have picked up a few points I'm sure

This is what it gave us


Murphy’s Stout Premier League







P
Pts
% per games played
Points per left
Total
Final postion


Knocknaheeney Celtic
8
21
87.5
26
47
2nd


Coachford
3
9
100
45
54
1st


Macroom A
5
9
60
24
33
3rd


Kanturk
6
9
50
18
23
6th


Pearse Celtic A
4
6
50
21
27
4th/5th


Innishvilla A
4
6
50
21
27
4th/5th


St. John Bosco A
5
4
27
11
15
7th


Bohemians
4
3
25
11
14
8th/9th


Glenthorn Celtic A
4
3
25
11
14
8th/9th


Grattan United
5
1
0.06
1
2
10th




Finished table of



1st
Coachford
54


2nd
Knocknaheeney Celtic
47


3rd
Macroom A
33


4th/5th
Pearse Celtic A
27


4th/5th
Innishvilla A
27


6th
Kanturk
23


7th
St. John Bosco A
15


8th/9th
Bohemians
14


8th/9th
Glenthorn Celtic A
14


10th
Grattan United
2




What do people think? Personal i think table would have finished very close to this, not that it matters!

[donaldihno]

Did a little table out to finish the Premier section out based on % of points currently against remining games as i have seen some leagues are finishing like this, what do people think this way you can have promotions and relegations( not fair to call them champions, also if 5 teams are leaving will be movement no doubt in the sections. was is a bit scued seen as Coachford have 3 games played with 100% record they get max points, no matter how good a team is they would have dropped some points, gratten had added players and would have picked up a few points I'm sure

This is what it gave us


Murphy’s Stout Premier League







P
Pts
% per games played
Points per left
Total
Final postion


Knocknaheeney Celtic
8
21
87.5
26
47
2nd


Coachford
3
9
100
45
54
1st


Macroom A
5
9
60
24
33
3rd


Kanturk
6
9
50
18
23
6th


Pearse Celtic A
4
6
50
21
27
4th/5th


Innishvilla A
4
6
50
21
27
4th/5th


St. John Bosco A
5
4
27
11
15
7th


Bohemians
4
3
25
11
14
8th/9th


Glenthorn Celtic A
4
3
25
11
14
8th/9th


Grattan United
5
1
0.06
1
2
10th




Finished table of



1st
Coachford
54


2nd
Knocknaheeney Celtic
47


3rd
Macroom A
33


4th/5th
Pearse Celtic A
27


4th/5th
Innishvilla A
27


6th
Kanturk
23


7th
St. John Bosco A
15


8th/9th
Bohemians
14


8th/9th
Glenthorn Celtic A
14


10th
Grattan United
2




What do people think? Personal i think table would have finished very close to this, not that it matters!
Id agree with Coachford winning the league but not winning 18/18
Grattan signed a lot in January Aswel,so I think they’d pick up more points
I think bohs would finish higher up and Macroom maybe mid table

[SteveSilvermint]

Id agree with Coachford winning the league but not winning 18/18
Grattan signed a lot in January Aswel,so I think they’d pick up more points
I think bohs would finish higher up and Macroom maybe mid table
It's a joke to 2nd guess results in junior football only fair way was cancelled season ..it didn't happen .

[Play it out]

How do you think they'll sort promotion of teams to replace Innishvilla, Macroom, Buttevant and Pearse? B Teams gone from 3rd as well I'd imagine

[SteveSilvermint]

How do you think they'll sort promotion of teams to replace Innishvilla, Macroom, Buttevant and Pearse? B Teams gone from 3rd as well I'd imagine

A simple restructuring ..and the season didn't happen its the fair way.no one could see this and they be no blame and restructuring to move forward

[fruice]

Are these teams definitely going?
or is it just rumours?

[Play it out]

Would they be more inclined to just make the divisions themselves or ask a few teams if they'd go up?

[Dr. football]

I seen on Facebook, colso from CBL are moving to MSL as casements junior team, MSL will have massive amount of junior teams next season!

[SteveSilvermint]

I seen on Facebook, colso from CBL are moving to MSL as casements junior team, MSL will have massive amount of junior teams next season!it's probably the league with the bigger challenge aul football just doesn't have it's appeal any more...players and coaches just want that competitive edge.

[fruice]

Innishvilla accepted to MSL as per their Facebook page

[SteveSilvermint]

Innishvilla accepted to MSL as per their Facebook page

They should do very well when they find their feet great club some fine players have played for that club .

[Dr. football]

Planet FC to enter AUL as Greenmount Rangers, also heard Blarney Street looking into reforming be great if they did.

[SteveSilvermint]

Planet FC to enter AUL as Greenmount Rangers, also heard Blarney Street looking into reforming be great if they did.

Manager of planet has a greenmount connection and blarney street would be hard in this situation do the aul need another north side club everyone in cork would like a club like them back.

[fruice]

That’s a quick return for greenmount they weren’t gone long.
The aul need all they can get.
2 teams gone from the business league a lot of movement so far this summer.
Any update on the other teams supposedly heading to MSL?

[Dr. football]

That’s a quick return for greenmount they weren’t gone long.
The aul need all they can get.
2 teams gone from the business league a lot of movement so far this summer.
Any update on the other teams supposedly heading to MSL?


CBL down 2 and only had 19 to begin with, pearse and insishvilla are confirmed. Have not heard about any of the others.

[fruice]

So to date this is the movement of Clubs
MSL + 5( presuming B teams go as well)
CBL -2
Aul -3.

There really had been a movement to MSL in recent years...can anything stop this?

[Play it out]

That's good to hear about Greenmount and Blarney Street.

Any word of teams making a big push on managers/signings?

[Dr. football]

B teams are gone to Munster Junior League.

I cant see many more city teams moving nearly all with underage have gone MSL, Maybe some of the country teams. AUL really need to get MSL b/c even D teams best and easiest way to get teams in.

MSL took Kilworth last year from EC/WW league, MSL seem to have a draw on all clubs based in cork, Saw Liam Kearney (ex Cork City player and coach) Calling for a Cork City B/under 21 team to be left into the MSL.