Cork AUL Premier & Premier A 2019/20

[SteveSilvermint]

Who are the 5 clubs?
Innishvila pearse
City wanders buttevent and macroom..

[fruice]

That’s potentially 8 teams effectively a division/section.
The AUL can’t keep losing teams and if they are effectively powerless they will have todo something radical.

And what’s worse the 3 county clubs have 3 brilliant set ups owned by themselves.
Which will be an awful loss to the league.

[SteveSilvermint]

That’s potentially 8 teams effectively a division/section.
The AUL can’t keep losing teams and if they are effectively powerless they will have todo something radical.

And what’s worse the 3 county clubs have 3 brilliant set ups owned by themselves.
Which will be an awful loss to the league.
It's amateur it's a hobby but somthing in relation to an incentive has to be on offer for league and cup winners club can't survive ..all the aul are interested in is money and don't tell me the refs are there for the love of the game my point clubs and players get noting ..they won't even pay for an Oscar team that says it all.

[fifa]

It's amateur it's a hobby but somthing in relation to an incentive has to be on offer for league and cup winners club can't survive ..all the aul are interested in is money and don't tell me the refs are there for the love of the game my point clubs and players get noting ..they won't even pay for an Oscar team that says it all.
Your attitude towards refs is comical....every post you mention them somehow hahahaha

[SteveSilvermint]

Your attitude towards refs is comical....every post you mention them somehow hahahaha
Well I'm my opinion they are a problem going forward..not all I might add but still it needs looking at there no one representing player or manager our clubs ...the amount of needless cards and comments to player from certin refs ..aul have no interest in how or why it's the cash brought in they see so I think it's a great idea to have independent people with input on the refs proformance and not just by their own acessers.

[SteveSilvermint]

Your attitude towards refs is comical....every post you mention them somehow hahahaha
You being involved with that side of the game might thinks it's funny but clubs at the end of bad decisions and bad calls don't ..ther not perfect but thats problem
They think they are .can't take criticism or opinions either.

[Risteard]

Don’t the referees switch leagues every year?

[SteveSilvermint]

Don’t the referees switch leagues every year?
Yes and they bring ther grudges back with them that after the buddy carried it on for him ..there a very tight knit group
I admire that about them but must be held accountable thou ..just 1of a few problems facing the game going forward.at the end of the day they are getting paid.

[Dr. football]

On the other side of this with so many clubs going MSL do ye think its dragging the standard down? Just look at what happened Killreen Celtic, no senior team and bottom league in the junior.

Also looking at some of the teams that will bring the b teams, look at Pearse for example, will there b team be competitive in MSL junior league? If the A team goes senior and the B team want to stay AUL they will have to go Premier like what happened this season when grattan wanted to fold the A team and keep B team Division 2.


City wanders is a strange move looking at all other clubs that have switched they have underage and two teams?

AUL need to look at the sections this season and re grade some clubs, total in balance in numbers premier, premier a and 3rd division having less clubs then 1st and 2nd division with the number of cups they should look at having 10 per section.

[SteveSilvermint]

On the other side of this with so many clubs going MSL do ye think its dragging the standard down? Just look at what happened Killreen Celtic, no senior team and bottom league in the junior.

Also looking at some of the teams that will bring the b teams, look at Pearse for example, will there b team be competitive in MSL junior league? If the A team goes senior and the B team want to stay AUL they will have to go Premier like what happened this season when grattan wanted to fold the A team and keep B team Division 2.


City wanders is a strange move looking at all other clubs that have switched they have underage and two teams?

AUL need to look at the sections this season and re grade some clubs, total in balance in numbers premier, premier a and 3rd division having less clubs then 1st and 2nd division with the number of cups they should look at having 10 per section.

Regrade won't bring quality aul in free fall last 4 years dominance of 1 club has its PiT falls to so more quality rather then more clubs I would lose prem A just have prem ...1st 2nd Division s and a league for new clubs bad teams and club..if ther serious about football a few seasons in that league will prove ther ambitions.

[fruice]

What is the criteria for entry to MSL or is there one?

If the 5 go and most of the time the second team go with them to lower junior league.

And if you look at the B teams of Carrigtwohill and Lakewood who went last year.
Carrig were AUL 2 and Lakewood AUL 3.
And they are both holding there own so no reason to suggest other B teams won’t be able to do the same.

If the upto 8 teams go all divisions will have to be looked at because the exodus will impact every division

[Play it out]

I'd like to see a few changes.

Return of the Oscar Traynor Squad.
Rewards for titles, promotions and cup wins - Money towards footballs/gear in an account.
AOH Cup winners - New gear sponsored by Murphy's Stout for following season.
Add more detail the to new website and interviews with people in the league.
3 weekend Christmas break.
Bulk buy order of footballs off brands for discount rates. Order at pre season and Christmas. No AUL club can afford a big enough bulk order for significant discount.
Several meetings/ideas in summer break to add needed change every year.

[Dr. football]

Some teams have done well others haven’t, Killeen and Ballinhassig are both bottom of 2nd division in the junior league.

[Dr. football]

I'd like to see a few changes.

Return of the Oscar Traynor Squad.
Rewards for titles, promotions and cup wins - Money towards footballs/gear in an account.
AOH Cup winners - New gear sponsored by Murphy's Stout for following season.
Add more detail the to new website and interviews with people in the league.
3 weekend Christmas break.
Bulk buy order of footballs off brands for discount rates. Order at pre season and Christmas. No AUL club can afford a big enough bulk order for significant discount.
Several meetings/ideas in summer break to add needed change every year.


Some great ideas, the website is a joke in this day and age not having a good website and social media is not good enough.

[Dr. football]

Regrade won't bring quality aul in free fall last 4 years dominance of 1 club has its PiT falls to so more quality rather then more clubs I would lose prem A just have prem ...1st 2nd Division s and a league for new clubs bad teams and club..if ther serious about football a few seasons in that league will prove ther ambitions.

I think we are all agreeing the standard has dropped.

With regards to the league set up might be time to try something different and put clubs were they will compete, run off the mossy for the premier teams and run city and county cups at the same time before any leagues starts. Make county and city cups groups like the mossy and the results should be used to grade the teams.

If a new club comes from Msl or shipping league what benefit is it them starting in the 3rd division? By the time they make it to premier a they could be after losing players to retirement, take the example of the cow, if they decide to move on from shipping league they start in 3rd division they have been betting top teams in aul and msl been around a few years by time they make it to the premier (if) that bunch of players will be too old.


I’m not saying they should start premier but I don’t see the point in putting them 3rd division should be some room to move them to at least 1st.

(Cow is been used as an example not in any way associated with them or don’t know what there plans are for the future)

[Dr. football]

What is the criteria for entry to MSL or is there one?

If the 5 go and most of the time the second team go with them to lower junior league.

And if you look at the B teams of Carrigtwohill and Lakewood who went last year.
Carrig were AUL 2 and Lakewood AUL 3.
And they are both holding there own so no reason to suggest other B teams won’t be able to do the same.

If the upto 8 teams go all divisions will have to be looked at because the exodus will impact every division


You need to have good facility’s. A team using the Fairfield for example would not be Accept!

[fifa]

You being involved with that side of the game might thinks it's funny but clubs at the end of bad decisions and bad calls don't ..ther not perfect but thats problem
They think they are .can't take criticism or opinions either.
When do you reckon would be a good time for the ref to take your criticism and your opinion on his performance? during the game? straight after? or would you like him to visit them in training the following week so you could ask him your questions?

[SteveSilvermint]

When do you reckon would be a good time for the ref to take your criticism and your opinion on his performance? during the game? straight after? or would you like him to visit them in training the following week so you could ask him your questions?
Decisions in the day are done can't change ..but if he's hauled in front off someone and actually told he's wrong might just get a better quality of ref going forward..and most u can't even talk to before a game let alone in a game ..a ref that interactive with players is a good ref not the head master type thats in abundance in cork aul.

[fifa]

Decisions in the day are done can't change ..but if he's hauled in front off someone and actually told he's wrong might just get a better quality of ref going forward..and most u can't even talk to before a game let alone in a game ..a ref that interactive with players is a good ref not the head master type thats in abundance in cork aul.
But sure refs are graded and assesed reguarly if they are not performing on a consistant basis theyll drop a grade,Cork is a small place so if a fella is not doing the business people hear he gets assesed and more than likely is demoted

[Dr. football]

But sure refs are graded and assesed reguarly if they are not performing on a consistant basis theyll drop a grade,Cork is a small place so if a fella is not doing the business people hear he gets assesed and more than likely is demoted


From my experience when the assessor is present The refs are actually worse no common sense and is to the letter of the law.


If I was a ref and was called to meetings to explain myself and my decision I would walk away. Ref don’t go out to make mistakes and I really don’t think they go out to rob anyone it’s just a hard job. And I hope now if them are doing it for the money! Is plenty of easier ways of making it they are in it for the same Reason people play it they love the game!

[SteveSilvermint]

From my experience when the assessor is present The refs are actually worse no common sense and is to the letter of the law.


If I was a ref and was called to meetings to explain myself and my decision I would walk away. Ref don’t go out to make mistakes and I really don’t think they go out to rob anyone it’s just a hard job. And I hope now if them are doing it for the money! Is plenty of easier ways of making it they are in it for the same Reason people play it they love the game!

Some have 3 games a weekend not all are bad but being held accountable by and independent group is only fair they circle the wagons in all cases not enough thought goes into allocation of a guys that played with clubs it not fair it simple no matter how u dress it up it's flawed I repeat not all are bad.

[fifa]

Some have 3 games a weekend not all are bad but being held accountable by and independent group is only fair they circle the wagons in all cases not enough thought goes into allocation of a guys that played with clubs it not fair it simple no matter how u dress it up it's flawed I repeat not all are bad.
The independent group is the league the allocation of fixtures is done by the leagues fixture secretary, referees have no say in what games they get.99% of refs are in it for the love of the game as Dr. Football said there are far easier ways to make 50 quid

[Dr. football]

The independent group is the league the allocation of fixtures is done by the leagues fixture secretary, referees have no say in what games they get.99% of refs are in it for the love of the game as Dr. Football said there are far easier ways to make 50 quid

4 hours Friday night delivering Chinese would make you the same money as the 3 games!

[Dr. football]

Has the AUL realised any statement since the lockdown news on Friday night ?

Anyone think we will see this season finished?

20th of July all going well games will be allowed again.

[SteveSilvermint]

4 hours Friday night delivering Chinese would make you the same money as the 3 games!

There at that too .

[fruice]

No statement from AUL just from FAI saying everything was suspended until May 18th.
But they would release a further update which specifically references the conclusion of leagues at grassroots level.

I can’t see how they finish the season some clubs have 10 plus games left.

I can’t see next season starting in August also

[Risteard]

Lmao!

[Risteard]

there at that too . lmao!

[onlooker]

How many refs in the Cork leagues?
Just looked at some recent panels of refs and see a lot of current and ex eirtricity league refs there.
Graham Kelly, Keith calnan, Eddie Mc Nally, Anthony Buttimer, Daniel deady, Jason mannix, David keeler, Kevin sullivan, Eoin harte, Trevor cotter, Richard crane, Damian kleir,
Thats a few decent standard to start with.
Presume a few good ex local players there too so ( just asking) are you judging from refs at lower league level?

[SteveSilvermint]

How many refs in the Cork leagues?
Just looked at some recent panels of refs and see a lot of current and ex eirtricity league refs there.
Graham Kelly, Keith calnan, Eddie Mc Nally, Anthony Buttimer, Daniel deady, Jason mannix, David keeler, Kevin sullivan, Eoin harte, Trevor cotter, Richard crane, Damian kleir,
Thats a few decent standard to start with.
Presume a few good ex local players there too so ( just asking) are you judging from refs at lower league level?
That's a fine list you left out the contentious ones all of the above are great..

[fifa]

That's a fine list you left out the contentious ones all of the above are great..
You should be grateful we have such fine referees operating in all our leagues in Cork

[CBL20]

You should be grateful we have such fine referees operating in all our leagues in Cork

Thanks FIFA, you are our master!

[SteveSilvermint]

You should be grateful we have such fine referees operating in all our leagues in Cork

All a matter of opinion.

[Common sense]

Does anyone know the plan or is it hush hush ��? The Government have set the road map on the road to recovery with the earliest time of 20 July for a return to soccer have the Aul a plan in regards league and cups ? Or even a blue print to work too so clubs have an idea .

[SteveSilvermint]

Does anyone know the plan or is it hush hush ��? The Government have set the road map on the road to recovery with the earliest time of 20 July for a return to soccer have the Aul a plan in regards league and cups ? Or even a blue print to work too so clubs have an idea .

That be talked about over a nice pint no doubt in the luxury hinekin room all free just how ted likes it

[the 12 th man]

FAI seeks clarity around return for amateur and underage football

The Football Association of Ireland’s steering group has made a submission to Sport Ireland seeking clarity on conditions around the return of amateur adult and underage football following the publication of the Government’s Roadmap for Reopening Society and Business in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.

7th May 2020





https://www.fai.ie/domestic/news/fai-seeks-clarity-around-return-for-amateur-and-underage-football?fbclid=IwAR36UM9D9UH9KxkLfk-U8MYdiEgtUmB6x5X16VHXl98o6C29NfDWfSRBY6M

[JaketheSnake]

I think they should try and complete the season if possible . Give people something to look forward to . I dont think many people will be going abroad on holidays this summer. if they could run this season until say September/October provided they were able to start in late July? Maybe start the following season in March . Run 20-21 season as a single round league for the following season . Reduce the number of cups . Then maybe try running the 21-22 season as normal from August 2021?

I am just putting that out there as an idea

[JaketheSnake]

It’s a simple process to join another league . As stated in Aul rules the MFA and the FAI . It requires a change of league form that is signed by the league a team wishes to join and the league a team wishes to leave . If a league refuses to sign they must give a reason why an application has been denied . Then it goes to an appeal to MFA pretty standard . Looking back over the years plenty of clubs have moved for example Lakewood and Carrigtwohill moved last season from Aul. And going back over seasons plenty of other clubs have as well. Park a few seasons ago etc so it’s a non issue really . Once the appeal is done correctly and as per rules there are no reasons why a club cannot move . The Aul themselves have no problem themselves accepting teams from other leagues etc . I remember years back the Aul and the Msl came to an agreement that they would stop movement between both leagues for a set period but that does not stand anymore .

i heard that all teams applications to leave were rejected by the AUL . I do not know how true that is . On what grounds could they reject when clubs have been leaving the last few years?

[Play it out]

AUL have no current plan, they've sent out emails asking for feedback.

I would love it to go back on July 20th to resume the league and cups if possible. I would far prefer to try and finish the season rather than a new season being stopped again.

If the season did not resume from last year, would the new season start in mind August as usual? If so, those voting no to league resumption would have been a massive cop out.

Assuming health and safety is fine and sport still has the go ahead, do you think clubs with little to play for/relegation trouble would look to carry on to get back to normal or try and not be relegated/save the bother?

[fruice]

To be fair clubs will need more information before going back to the aul.
Like when does next season being if this season is not finished and if this season does re start when will the 20/21 season start.

While I would feel sorry for any club doing well it will effectively be a new season there was very little games being played between December and March and then another 5 month break and then a rushed finish.
Plenty clubs have half their league games left
The logically thing is to start a fresh In early August

But I can fully understand why some clubs would prefer to finish it out.

[Dr. football]

Fair play to the school boys league for giving some clarity to the league situation, FAI announcement was last week and still nothing from the AUL. With the 6 clubs leaving no way the sections can be complete so they should just null and void the leagues.

Assuming that no more clubs/teams fold its a chance to fix the sections. This is based on league positions with games played and cup runs, 4 sections 10 to premier, 1st, 2nd section, 11 in the 3rd due to number of teams, just my opinion. Might be a few miss matches in the 3rd but what can you do! As Steve said no need for a premier A any more with 40ish teams left.


Premier


1
Bohemians


2
Coachford


3
Glenthorn Celtic A


4
Grattan United


5
Knocknaheeney Celtic


6
St. John Bosco A


7
Glen Celtic


8
Temple United


9
Village United


10
Greenwood A

1st Division


1
Rathcoole Rovers


2
Tower


3
Waterloo


4
Corkbeg


5
Donoughmore Athletic


6
Springfield


7
Central Rovers


8
Dunbar Celtic


9
CFC Banteer


10
South Coast Athletic

2nd


1
Blackpool Celtic


2
Cathedral Celtic


3
Kilmichael Rovers


4
Rylane Celtic


5
Strand United


6
UCC


7
Castleview


8
Grangevale


9
Hibernians


10
Knockraha


3rd Division


1
Blackstone Rovers


2
Bweeng Celtic


3
Cloughduv Celtic


4
Glenthorn Celtic B


5
Killumney United


6
Richmond


7
St. John Bosco B


8
Ard-na-Laoi


9
Churchvilla


10
Los Zarcos


11
Watergrasshill United

[Beansontoast]

Well thought out and presented Dr Foot, but im thinking some teams would want to be higher, eg Kilumney and Glenthorn B in Div 3 and a few in Div 2 . I know its because of less divisions but fellas ego's would be hit!
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[Dr. football]

Well thought out and presented Dr Foot, but im thinking some teams would want to be higher, eg Kilumney and Glenthorn B in Div 3 and a few in Div 2 . I know its because of less divisions but fellas ego's would be hit!
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Not perfect I know, some division 3 teams could possibly be good enough for 1st but unless 7 to 9 clubs join (or stay) I can’t see how you can justify another division.

If it would soften the blow to people’s ego you could always keep premier a and call the bottom division 2 might soften the blow either way it will be the bottom division!

Castleview,Grangevale,Hibernians
Knockraha all higher then Killumney in the league at presset that’s why I put them 2nd division. Glenthorn b shipped a few Heavy defeats before all this covid despite a good cup run.

[SteveSilvermint]

Fair play to the school boys league for giving some clarity to the league situation, FAI announcement was last week and still nothing from the AUL. With the 6 clubs leaving no way the sections can be complete so they should just null and void the leagues.

Assuming that no more clubs/teams fold its a chance to fix the sections. This is based on league positions with games played and cup runs, 4 sections 10 to premier, 1st, 2nd section, 11 in the 3rd due to number of teams, just my opinion. Might be a few miss matches in the 3rd but what can you do! As Steve said no need for a premier A any more with 40ish teams left.


Premier


1
Bohemians


2
Coachford


3
Glenthorn Celtic A


4
Grattan United


5
Knocknaheeney Celtic


6
St. John Bosco A


7
Glen Celtic


8
Temple United


9
Village United


10
Greenwood A

1st Division


1
Rathcoole Rovers


2
Tower


3
Waterloo


4
Corkbeg


5
Donoughmore Athletic


6
Springfield


7
Central Rovers


8
Dunbar Celtic


9
CFC Banteer


10
South Coast Athletic

2nd


1
Blackpool Celtic


2
Cathedral Celtic


3
Kilmichael Rovers


4
Rylane Celtic


5
Strand United


6
UCC


7
Castleview


8
Grangevale


9
Hibernians


10
Knockraha


3rd Division


1
Blackstone Rovers


2
Bweeng Celtic


3
Cloughduv Celtic


4
Glenthorn Celtic B


5
Killumney United


6
Richmond


7
St. John Bosco B


8
Ard-na-Laoi


9
Churchvilla


10
Los Zarcos


11
Watergrasshill United
















Kilumney are not a 3 rd div club or in stature recently started to get back to former glory...they have the pull to get big signings.won a double before all this and are team of year ...

[Dr. football]

they are currently in the 4th tier, so they are not moving just no division behind them. its a matter of opinion, i know they are a good club and have done a great job rebuilding since reforming I'm not on the committee (nor will i ever be) of the AUL so this make up is never going happen.

[Play it out]

Nice suggestion, it will be hard to go at it again next year against the same teams that you're competing against or thought we'd seen the back of!

[SteveSilvermint]

they are currently in the 4th tier, so they are not moving just no division behind them. its a matter of opinion, i know they are a good club and have done a great job rebuilding since reforming I'm not on the committee (nor will i ever be) of the AUL so this make up is never going happen.

I was impressed with your thoughts and presentation and I agreed with all off it except the kilumney 1 ..big credit due to them out of aul and prompt return ..wheres crescent ..ballyvolane..ect ect gone so there back and are team and management of year.and a double ...like I said great credit due to all involved.

[SteveSilvermint]

I was impressed with your thoughts and presentation and I agreed with all off it except the kilumney 1 ..big credit due to them out of aul and prompt return ..wheres crescent ..ballyvolane..ect ect gone so there back and are team and management of year.and a double ...like I said great credit due to all involved.

October 18th new season begins aul Dublin remainder of the season cancelled.

[the 12 th man]

October 18th new season begins aul Dublin remainder of the season cancelled.

https://foot.ie/threads/256653-AUL-Dublin-cancel-remaining-games-Season-over

[donaldihno]

Cork aul cancelled