Dunphy at it again

[ciaran76]

"LIVERPOOL in the European Cup final? There goes the neighbourhood.
Still, I suppose that's the price Uefa must pay for lowering the bar and
enabling some of the cheaper teams to take part. There's always the risk
that one of them will hop on a lucky wave and, grimly holding their
Lotto ticket above the spray, ride all the way to the tournament's
pointy end.

Liverpool fans are famous for the selflessness of their perspective, so
even they, I am sure, in the midst of their euphoria, will be feeling,
with the rest of us, a twinge of sadness right now for AC Milan. Where
else but the Champions League can you go to measure yourself against the
best that Europe can offer at the time? So you've got to feel sorry for
a side that gets all the way to the final, only to find, standing
alongside them in the tunnel, not one of the best teams on the
Continent, but not even the best team in Liverpool."
Eamon Dunphy

[anto1208]

allthough i think he is funny he does talk some rubbish allright , he keeps going on about how great milan are ! is this the great milan side that got torn apart twice by psv ?

[tetsujin1979]

allthough i think he is funny he does talk some rubbish allright , he keeps going on about how great milan are ! is this the great milan side that got torn apart twice by psv ?

To be fair, this is the great Milan side that tore United apart twice

[anto1208]

To be fair, this is the great Milan side that tore United apart twice

to be fair thats not hard ! :D :D :D

[Colm55]

To be fair, this is the great Milan side that tore United apart twice

The same Man Utd team that dominated Liverpool twice this season...

[anto1208]

The same Man Utd team that dominated Liverpool twice this season...

yep the same utd side that everton took 4 points off this season ;)

[ColinR]

yep the same utd side that everton took 4 points off this season ;)

so everton will win next years champions league :eek: ;)

[Dublin12]

Dunphy has a point though,every now and then a team can get lucky,like Greece last year,England in 66 and Liverpool this year,it's just the luck of the draw.You can't honestly say Liverpool are in the top 2 teams in Europe and if you think that you are a mug.

[NeilMcD]

I think Giles said it right the other day on the radio, they are there to analyse the matches rather that look into their crystal ball and predict who could win.

If I predicted at the start of the season that Liverpool would reach the Champions League final I would have been told I was mad and rightly so as I would not have been basing it on any facts or form. But football can prove people wrong from time to time. No expert would have said Greece would win Euro 2004 but my mother may have as she went their once on holidays. Does that mean she knows more about football then Johnny Giles. There is more to football analysis then getting predictions right. At leat the guys on RTE dont sit on the fence and call a spade a spade whereas Sky and ITV, is football LIte a lot of the time.

[anto1208]

so everton will win next years champions league :eek: ;)


we have every chance i mean if liverpool can get to the final and everton have proven all year that they are better than liverpool ! then why not ?

if you even look at the two mersyside derby's as europeen games everton would have won on away goals ;)

[anto1208]

Dunphy has a point though,every now and then a team can get lucky,like Greece last year,England in 66 and Liverpool this year,it's just the luck of the draw.You can't honestly say Liverpool are in the top 2 teams in Europe and if you think that you are a mug.

of coarse sensible people dont think liverpool are in the top 2 , but as ive seen on an other thread the majority of people on this site do think that greece are the best after winning the euro's :rolleyes:

[PaulB]

"LIVERPOOL in the European Cup final? There goes the neighbourhood.
Still, I suppose that's the price Uefa must pay for lowering the bar and
enabling some of the cheaper teams to take part. There's always the risk
that one of them will hop on a lucky wave and, grimly holding their
Lotto ticket above the spray, ride all the way to the tournament's
pointy end.

Liverpool fans are famous for the selflessness of their perspective, so
even they, I am sure, in the midst of their euphoria, will be feeling,
with the rest of us, a twinge of sadness right now for AC Milan. Where
else but the Champions League can you go to measure yourself against the
best that Europe can offer at the time? So you've got to feel sorry for
a side that gets all the way to the final, only to find, standing
alongside them in the tunnel, not one of the best teams on the
Continent, but not even the best team in Liverpool."
Eamon Dunphy

funny, that exact article is in yesterday's Englist Times - written by a Giles Smith.

[Karlos]

Dunphy has a point though,every now and then a team can get lucky,like Greece last year,England in 66 and Liverpool this year,it's just the luck of the draw..


From what I've seen on footage and from what knowledgable football people have said, England throughly deserved to win the world cup in '66 based on their results. Perhaps they were not the most attractive side and didn't have the flair of Eusebio's Portugal or Pele's brazil but they absolutely won it on merit. Something that for some unkown reason sits awkward with Irish football supporters :confused:

Sure they had a slice of luck in the goal that never was (Liverpool would know about that!) in the final but they did run out 4-2 victors and without the blatant cheating of their Argentinian counterparts in '78 and '86. Like wise I don't believe Greece were lucky to win Euro 2004 - over the whole tournamants they had the most consistant results - where's the luck in that?

I do not believe that the 3 teams you mention above were or are undeserving of their achievements. It is a fact that in almost every chamionship victory, FA Cup win and World Cup win etc the team that ultimately wins it will have profitted from some fortutious circumstance at some stage in the tourament.

What separates the three mentioed above who are being labelled 'lucky' from the likes of Manchester United in 99, Argentina in '78 & '86, Arsenal in '89, Porto in '04, Brazil in '98, Germany in '90............and so on and so on..... :rolleyes:

[KK77]

Liverpool are in the final on merit its not as if they have had it easy Leverkusen, Juve and Chelsea and not favourites in any of those ties. It makes no odds who you play and when you play them in the Champions league coz at some stage you will have to meet the best in order to win it. Everton could win it next season but they could also flop in it we won't know til then but Liverpool have proved they can do it in it.

[pete]

There would be no point to football if teams never got lucky & biggest & best teams away got to finals & won titles.

:rolleyes:

[Mad Moose]

So you've got to feel sorry for
a side that gets all the way to the final, only to find, standing
alongside them in the tunnel, not one of the best teams on the
Continent, but not even the best team in Liverpool."
Eamon Dunphy

Its a mild humour and is in fact correct. He is however playing on the humour because I'm sure AC Milan haven't got to the final hoping their opponents are as good or better than them.They want to win it and they don't care how its achieved. After the performance against PSV whick was in stark contrast to performances against Inter Milan and some MUFC team they'll be happy it is Liverpool.

Liverpool are one of the great European and even World Clubs. They may not be one of the best for the last 14 years but they are still one of the biggest. Lets hope Nottingham Forest can return to the pinnacle of the game. I'm going to go over next season to see them. They could be playing Yeovil Town!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Brendan

[sadloserkid]

There would be no point to football if teams never got lucky & biggest & best teams away got to finals & won titles.

:rolleyes:

Post of the month? I think so, I think so! :)

[Thunderblaster]

"LIVERPOOL in the European Cup final? There goes the neighbourhood.
Still, I suppose that's the price Uefa must pay for lowering the bar and
enabling some of the cheaper teams to take part. There's always the risk
that one of them will hop on a lucky wave and, grimly holding their
Lotto ticket above the spray, ride all the way to the tournament's
pointy end.

Liverpool fans are famous for the selflessness of their perspective, so
even they, I am sure, in the midst of their euphoria, will be feeling,
with the rest of us, a twinge of sadness right now for AC Milan. Where
else but the Champions League can you go to measure yourself against the
best that Europe can offer at the time? So you've got to feel sorry for
a side that gets all the way to the final, only to find, standing
alongside them in the tunnel, not one of the best teams on the
Continent, but not even the best team in Liverpool."
Eamon Dunphy

What do you expect from Ugly Grumpy!!! :(

[4tothefloor]

Classic Dunphy. Now wait for him to contradict himself when Liverpool win it.

[Cosmo]

I think Giles said it right the other day on the radio, they are there to analyse the matches rather that look into their crystal ball and predict who could win.

If I predicted at the start of the season that Liverpool would reach the Champions League final I would have been told I was mad and rightly so as I would not have been basing it on any facts or form. But football can prove people wrong from time to time. No expert would have said Greece would win Euro 2004 but my mother may have as she went their once on holidays. Does that mean she knows more about football then Johnny Giles. There is more to football analysis then getting predictions right. At leat the guys on RTE dont sit on the fence and call a spade a spade whereas Sky and ITV, is football LIte a lot of the time.


Spot on

[OwlsFan]

Except that they analyse how they think the game will go and then get it completely wrong. Then they analyse how they think the second half will go and get it wrong again.

Then they analyse the game afterwards and blame one side for being so poor and for daring to wreck their pre-match analysis.

No they don't sit of the fence - Dunphy just airs his personal prejudices on the national airwaves and Giles usually agrees with him and vice versa. And Laughing Bill.....well he just laughs.

ANyone see Lawrenson having a go at Mourinho after the Liverpool game because he never played the game and therefore didn't understand the game ? Playing the right footed Gallas at left back was one argument he cited in favour of his argument. Doh! As if it takes a pundit to be able to work that out than he has to drag the ball back onto his right foot to cross. I reckon most of there "experts" have as much clue about the game as you or I and that you don't have to have had to play at the highest level to be able to read a game or predict the outcome. Indeed most so-called pundits are failed managers. Mourinho has won a lot more as a manager than Lawrenson ever did in his short managerial career at Preston. He is resented by many of the pundits because he never played the game.

[NeilMcD]

I think Dunphy is just a cartoon character at this stage and he does not annoy me any more as I know why he is there. RTE has Spillane for the GAA, George Hook for the Rugby and Dunphy for the football. Its there way of stirring it up a bit. At least it leads to more interesting debate. When I watchted the first leg of Chelsea Liverpool I could not get over the difference of post match analysis. Phil Thompson was going on about how great Liverpool where and how great Hyppia and Traore were. On RTE they were saying both players were crap and that it was a terrible match and a terrible advert for the English game. I had to agree with RTE. Of course Dunphy then went over the top and said that there was no way they could keep a clean sheet and they did etc. Dunphy's main problem is that he never qualifies his statements. If he felt that Liverpool would concede a goal he should have said that "if Liverpool continue to defendl ike this and Chelsea show a bit more variety to their play, I cant see Liverpool keeping a clean sheet". That would have been fair comment but he leaves himself open to looking stupid in the hope of stirrling up controversy. But give me RTE any day over ITV and most of Skys coverage too. In my view the Scots are the best at analysis, Strachan, Gray, Hansen (if a bit repititive) Ferguson was quite good when he was on too. Gerry Armstrong is very good too and I liked Brian Kerr when he did the world cup.

[tetsujin1979]

I liked Brian Kerr when he did the world cup.

Just on this point, it was Kerr's punditry that brought me around to supporting him when the senior manager position became available. I can't remember the game, but I know Liverpool were playing and Niall Mellor came on. Bill, Dunphy and Giles knew nothing about him, straight away Kerr says "we played against him a few times, very pacy, can play as an out and out striker or on the wing, right footed but can strike the ball very well with his left" (or words to that effect) and it only struck me then the sheer amount of information and preperation he would bring to the team.

[OwlsFan]

What happened to Neil Mellor by the way ? Injured ?

I find Kerr's voice a bit boring like Mick McCarthy's and in the pop world, Dave Fanning, or in rugby JIm Sherwin. I tend to stop listening to them after a while even though they may be saying something interesting (well not in Sherwin's case - Ireland could score a try in a World Cup final in the last minute and he still wouldn't get excited).

[monutdfc]

He was on Soccer AM last Saturday morning, so he must be injured!

[4tothefloor]

Knee surgery, on both knees I think. Should be back for pre-season, unfortunately :D

[Thunderblaster]

I note that Ugly Grumpy got the George Hamilton jitters last night when he claimed that England went 1-0 down to the Faroe Islands against San Marino in Spain. Liam Brady had to correct him at the end.