Munster Senior League

[rambler14]

heard a rumour that jammer and pa coakley are signing for ringmahon in this transfer window???????

Remind me........he's the keeper isn't he? Now that Slatts is back I assume he's surplus to requirements?

[rambler14]

no pa coakley is the striker avondale signed from passage!!!
i assume your on about power from rockmount...i think????

Oh Pa Coakley.....great player played on the same side as him a few times never realised he was at Avondale. He's only 19 or 20 so sitting on the bench would obviously frustrate him.

Yeah Power the big tall fella, he played in the final last week I think.

[Allstar]

Oh Pa Coakley.....great player played on the same side as him a few times never realised he was at Avondale.



Played with him??????????????

[rambler14]

Played with him??????????????

Thats right. I WAS quite the talented footballer so I got to play OUTSIDE of Cobh.

[Allstar]

Oh thats right your VERY good!!!

[rambler14]

Oh thats right your VERY good!!!

Well at least thats what my Mam says to me!:rolleyes::cool:

[mayfield utd]

ya i heard jammer signed for ringmahon i also heard his going to oz for a year in feb don't know how ture this is if it is ture surely he'll only play 5,6, or 7 games steph hurley has signed back with mayfield

[Yoda01]

ya i heard jammer signed for ringmahon i also heard his going to oz for a year in feb don't know how ture this is if it is ture surely he'll only play 5,6, or 7 games steph hurley has signed back with mayfield


steph has really being yo yo-ing between those 2 clubs this season!!!!
good signing for ye though!
haven't heard anything about jammer so can't comment, any other moves being spoken about the place?

[Ace Forward]

Heard Steph signed back for Mayfield and Jammer back to ringmahon.

Any truth in the rumours that Alan O'Connor is back training with rockmount?

[rambler14]

Wanderers lost 6-1 to Hall................skillz val!:D

[Billynomates]

pa coakley has signed for corinthians

[code red]

any results from Intermediate cup from weekend

[razor]

any results from Intermediate cup from weekendSee the Intermediate Cup Thread here. (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=100466&page=4)

[Shilts]

I was looking at the MSL tables this morning and I see that CIT are bottom of the senior 2nd div with no points and 2 goals after 7 games. This record is only beaten by their junior team who have lost all of their 8 opening games.

How the MSL in their wisdom chose to give senior status to this, lets call a spade a spade, RUBBISH, I do not know.

Longer standing AUL clubs in Cork such as Leeside, Kinsale and Coachford have had their applications turned down year after year and would beat CIT by a criket score (as most teams do anyway). Lets face it CIT are not even good enough to play in the top AUL divisions.

The lowering of playing standards in the MSL for the sake of keeping up appearances does the league no favours.

Senior teams should be better than junior teams - if they're not ... they should be replaced. Simple!

Any comments on this taboo subject? ;)

[ballsac7]

I was looking at the MSL tables this morning and I see that CIT are bottom of the senior 2nd div with no points and 2 goals after 7 games. This record is only beaten by their junior team who have lost all of their 8 opening games.

How the MSL in their wisdom chose to give senior status to this, lets call a spade a spade, RUBBISH, I do not know.

Longer standing AUL clubs in Cork such as Leeside, Kinsale and Coachford have had their applications turned down year after year and would beat CIT by a criket score (as most teams do anyway). Lets face it CIT are not even good enough to play in the top AUL divisions.

The lowering of playing standards in the MSL for the sake of keeping up appearances does the league no favours.

Senior teams should be better than junior teams - if they're not ... they should be replaced. Simple!

Any comments on this taboo subject? ;)

Ya CIT as well as UCC don't know what team they have from one year to the next with new students starting and others dropping out or leaving which means that some years they can be quiet strong other years like this one pure crap. I know their Junior side have taken some savage beatings. We constantly see their scoreline on the paper as a 6-0 defeat but I know they have suffered some way heavier scorelines. As regards Kinsale etc I think :confused: there is deal brokered between the AUL and MSL in relation to this - no club can switch between the two leagues for a few seasons at least.

[Shilts]

Ya CIT as well as UCC don't know what team they have from one year to the next with new students starting and others dropping out or leaving which means that some years they can be quiet strong other years like this one pure crap. I know their Junior side have taken some savage beatings. We constantly see their scoreline on the paper as a 6-0 defeat but I know they have suffered some way heavier scorelines. As regards Kinsale etc I think :confused: there is deal brokered between the AUL and MSL in relation to this - no club can switch between the two leagues for a few seasons at least.

There's a big difference between UCC and CIT as football clubs. UCC have been holding their own in the MSL Premier Division for a long time now and have won a few MSL trophies over the years. CIT were introduced into the MSL 2 years ago with no football pedigree and are now paying the price as is the league in general. This is because even though their facilities are very good they can't attract 'senior standard' players.

The decision to bring CIT in ahead of the top AUL teams is a joke. The 3 most recent additions from the AUL Blarney, Passage and Lakewood all won their MSL divisions (not prem tho) in their 1st year senior and have been a great ddition to the MSL (especially Blarney!). As none of these teams had won the AUL Prem in the year before their 'promotion' to senior ranks it goes to show that there is a lot of quality in the AUL.

As for the deal brokered in a smokey room somewhere between the MSL and AUL to keep strong footballing clubs and good players out of the MSL... why??? what purpose does this serve???

In my opinion there should be 1 governing body in charge of Cork soccer. Everybody would soon find their level. Good teams would win promotion and the like of CIT would be a long way from the top. And someday if CIT get their act together they could move back up the divisions. At the moment CIT can't be relegated no matter how bad they are!!!... and the top AUL clubs can't get 'promoted' no matter how good they are. This is against the fundamentals of sport and shouldn't be continued as a policy

The MSL and AUL came together to organise the youth leagues so it is possible... :ball:
but i wouldn't bet on turkeys voting for xmas either!!! ;)

[Billynomates]

John caulfield is rumoured to be taking over at cork city. That would be some blow for Avondale. Could see a huge exodus of players from them if Caulfield left.

[ballsac7]

As for the deal brokered in a smokey room somewhere between the MSL and AUL to keep strong footballing clubs and good players out of the MSL... why??? what purpose does this serve???



The MSL and AUL came together to organise the youth leagues so it is possible... :ball:
but i wouldn't bet on turkeys voting for xmas either!!! ;)

This deal between the MSL and AUL is common knowledge and openly admitted by both Leagues, all clubs delegates have been informed of this deal. It certainly wasn't brokered in a smokey room as you put it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why such a deal was done, firstly the AUL have a long and outstanding history of promoting football in Cork and want to keep their best teams playing in the AUL, secondly the MSL insist that clubs have the right facilities before being left into the league. I know that some AUL clubs now have excellent pitches etc but others who have applied for membership of the MSL don't have great facilities. The days of changing at the side of the road are long gone. Thirdly the MSL are trying to keep their divisions to a certain number of teams per division to avoid fixture backlogs. Come on get with it, this is all common knowledge:(

[Shilts]

This deal between the MSL and AUL is common knowledge and openly admitted by both Leagues, all clubs delegates have been informed of this deal. It certainly wasn't brokered in a smokey room as you put it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why such a deal was done, firstly the AUL have a long and outstanding history of promoting football in Cork and want to keep their best teams playing in the AUL, secondly the MSL insist that clubs have the right facilities before being left into the league. I know that some AUL clubs now have excellent pitches etc but others who have applied for membership of the MSL don't have great facilities. The days of changing at the side of the road are long gone. Thirdly the MSL are trying to keep their divisions to a certain number of teams per division to avoid fixture backlogs. Come on get with it, this is all common knowledge:(

The smoke filled room probably was a bit dramatic all right:)
The deal is common knowledge but that doesn't make it right. The AUL want to keep their best teams, but what if the best teams no longer want to stay with the AUL, was this taken into consideration? The 5 year ban on teams moving is anti-competitive. Its easier to get out of a marriage than the AUL, HAHA!

The MSL insist that clubs applying have the right facilities. But what are the exact criteria - Leeside and Coachford have dressing rooms and showers that are better than a lot of MSL clubs (Glasheen, Castleview, Temple, Mallow, Passage come to mind). I hope you didn't think that I was suggesting we allow teams with no dressing rooms to enter.

Keeping the divisions to a certain number is important but the MSL Senior 2nd Div has only 9 teams (Prem and 1st Divs have 10) so there is an opening there for expansion. Also, 2nd div teams don't get long runs in the Intermediate and Munster Senior Cups so there is room to play more league games in this division.

Also, my original point was that the standard of some 2nd div teams is very poor (CIT in particular) and these teams should be made to fight for their places in the MSL. They should not be able to retain their places by just getting 11 bodies on the pitch at the weekend when there are better clubs and players who deserve a shot.

I understand your points ballsac, but the issue seems to be more to do with committees, delegates and administration rather than what it should be - football standards.

The AUL are afraid to lose their better teams to the MSL. But this has always been the case. Most of the MSL Prem teams were once AUL teams including Rockmount, Avondale and St. Marys. Am I wrong?
Good banter tho' ballsac :)

[ballsac7]

In fairness though the people running CIT should have a good look at their two teams and be willing to put them in a lower division if necessary, nobody wants to get hammered every week. Granted Gratton, Kinsale, Leeside should be playing in the MSL as they are consistently good enough but there has to be a line drawn somewhere otherwise every team who fancy's a crack off the MSL will be applying for membership which would not only be a an administrative nightmare but also could sour the good working relationship that the MSL/AUL currently enjoy.

[Shilts]

In fairness though the people running CIT should have a good look at their two teams and be willing to put them in a lower division if necessary, nobody wants to get hammered every week. Granted Gratton, Kinsale, Leeside should be playing in the MSL as they are consistently good enough but there has to be a line drawn somewhere otherwise every team who fancy's a crack off the MSL will be applying for membership which would not only be a an administrative nightmare but also could sour the good working relationship that the MSL/AUL currently enjoy.

I agree about the admin nightmare, but how about a playoff betwen the AUL Prem winners (if their facilities are up to scratch) and the bottom team in the MSL 2nd Div every year? Would add a bit of spice to the 2nd Div after xmas i'd say;)
There should be no comfort zones for the bad teams.

[Two Touch]

The smoke filled room probably was a bit dramatic all right:)
The deal is common knowledge but that doesn't make it right. The AUL want to keep their best teams, but what if the best teams no longer want to stay with the AUL, was this taken into consideration? The 5 year ban on teams moving is anti-competitive. Its easier to get out of a marriage than the AUL, HAHA!

The MSL insist that clubs applying have the right facilities. But what are the exact criteria - Leeside and Coachford have dressing rooms and showers that are better than a lot of MSL clubs (Glasheen, Castleview, Temple, Mallow, Passage come to mind). I hope you didn't think that I was suggesting we allow teams with no dressing rooms to enter.

Keeping the divisions to a certain number is important but the MSL Senior 2nd Div has only 9 teams (Prem and 1st Divs have 10) so there is an opening there for expansion. Also, 2nd div teams don't get long runs in the Intermediate and Munster Senior Cups so there is room to play more league games in this division.

Also, my original point was that the standard of some 2nd div teams is very poor (CIT in particular) and these teams should be made to fight for their places in the MSL. They should not be able to retain their places by just getting 11 bodies on the pitch at the weekend when there are better clubs and players who deserve a shot.

I understand your points ballsac, but the issue seems to be more to do with committees, delegates and administration rather than what it should be - football standards.

The AUL are afraid to lose their better teams to the MSL. But this has always been the case. Most of the MSL Prem teams were once AUL teams including Rockmount, Avondale and St. Marys. Am I wrong?
Good banter tho' ballsac :)



What is wrong with the dressing rooms/showers at Mallow or Castleview??:confused:. They have solid structures in place, specifically for the use as changing rooms & showers!

[Shilts]

What is wrong with the dressing rooms/showers at Mallow or Castleview??:confused:. They have solid structures in place, specifically for the use as changing rooms & showers!

No offence meant, twotouch. They are 100% suitable for purpose. But not as good as Leeside, Coachford and Park Utd.

There is a feeling out there that all AUL teams tog off in their cars when the reality is that SOME AUL clubs have better facilities than SOME in the MSL.

The MSL seem to expect better facilities from those applying to enter than they impose on clubs already in the league :ball:

This started off with a rant agaist CIT being a 'senior club' and might be getting a bit heated/ off the point...
but as Homer Simpson once said - "nothing hurt but feelings!" :D

[Two Touch]

No offence meant, twotouch. They are 100% suitable for purpose. But not as good as Leeside, Coachford and Park Utd.

There is a feeling out there that all AUL teams tog off in their cars when the reality is that SOME AUL clubs have better facilities than SOME in the MSL.

The MSL seem to expect better facilities from those applying to enter than they impose on clubs already in the league :ball:

This started off with a rant agaist CIT being a 'senior club' and might be getting a bit heated/ off the point...
but as Homer Simpson once said - "nothing hurt but feelings!" :D


I think it's fair to say that it has wandered a little from the main point alright;)

We move on

[razor]

talk on the Cork City forum that Gareth Cambridge has signed for St Marys.

[ballsac7]

I agree about the admin nightmare, but how about a playoff betwen the AUL Prem winners (if their facilities are up to scratch) and the bottom team in the MSL 2nd Div every year? Would add a bit of spice to the 2nd Div after xmas i'd say;)
There should be no comfort zones for the bad teams.

Sounds like a good idea - good luck in trying to get the powers that be to run with it though. :)

[offside rule]

any results from todays games in Msl premier?.
How did Keane cup finish up?

[Allstar]

Keane cup was called off.
Havent heard anything with the other games.

[Allstar]

Douglas hall beat castleview 4-1.
Ucc rockmount game was called off.

[Billynomates]

Avondale 3-2Cobh wanderers

[ball-hop]

Hall 4 (Deccie O'Connell 2, Strachan, David Moore) Castleview 1.

Hall in control early, took the lead through Deccie. Castleview fought back to equalise. 2 Hall goals from Deccie and Strachan in quick succession ended the game as a contest. Mooresy finished the scoring midway through the second half.

[Clifford]

Mount beat Carrigaline 2-0 today, Brian McCarthy and Beech. Slatts back for 60mins of it. Good days work all round.

[Billynomates]

Has there being any major transfers since the transfer window opened. We know about steph hurley and jammer. Anyone else?

[mayfield utd]

Has there being any major transfers since the transfer window opened. We know about steph hurley and jammer. Anyone else?
i heard mickey deasy signed for midleton

[olachico]

im sure james o leary from douglas left douglas to go back to passage!
the same for mickey proute at avondale as well,
is it true pa coakley signed for corinthians???
also have heard lakewoood are losing lots of their players!!


I think you'll find its Gary Prout - Mickey Prout is his cousin - a member of the Cork senior Football panel

[ball-hop]

St Marys 2 Douglas Hall 0
Hall in command for first half, looking more likely. Didn't get the goal(s) they deserved and then, guess what!!
Marys took the lead early in the second half. Held on comfortably. Scored the second on a breakaway with 5 to go.

[Clifford]

Was that lg Ball Hop?

[Billynomates]

In the oscar traynor cup MSL against the east cork west waterford side it finished 3 nil to msl. ECWW could only field ten players.How embarrasing. A whole region and only ten players.

[Corinthionie]

St Marys 2 Douglas Hall 0
Hall in command for first half, looking more likely. Didn't get the goal(s) they deserved and then, guess what!!
Marys took the lead early in the second half. Held on comfortably. Scored the second on a breakaway with 5 to go.

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Any chance you know the hall 11 on the day?

[Corinthionie]

Intermediate Nominees
Don Horan - Everton AFC
Lee Boyle - Fanad United
Derek Prendergast - Bangor Celtic

I'm not at all familiar with this Everton lad but I believe he got player of the tournament at the Michael Ward Tournament.

Any comments?


Delighted for Don, he's a nice fella and probably Evertons most consistent player.........strange though that Rockmount who won the Intermediate cup or the Hall who came runner up don't have a nominee! usually the award is decided on players performances throughout the intermediate cup. Hope Don wins it but probably wouldnt be an accurate reflection on the MSL, I dont think he would have been in most peoples top 5 on last season (no malice intended)

[rambler14]

Has Steve Yelverton left Rockmount and signed for AUL side Glenvale???:confused:

[ball-hop]

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Any chance you know the hall 11 on the day?

Dan O'Leary, Joe Mc, Seamus Long, Wilkie, Robbie Brohan, Keith Stanton, Dave Moore, Gareth O'Donovan, Ronan Stanton, Strachan, Deccie

[casilles]

no thats is a misprint, its his brother Davy{small davy to us!}

[casilles]

Mark {Cans}O Sullivan going from Grattan to St Marys???

[rambler14]

Mark {Cans}O Sullivan going from Grattan to St Marys???

Doesn't he already play with Mary's along with his brother John Paul???:confused:

[casilles]

No he signed at the start of the season, played a few games and went back to Grattan so from wat I heard New years eve{before all the drinking started I might add} he is heading back to St Marys

Any other transfer news?

[razor]

Avondale Utd 0-0 Rockmount today.
Dale were down to 9 men n the first half but held on.
First sending off was a professional foul, BOC saved the penalty and then Tynan was sent off for mouthing before the break.

[Clifford]

Sums it up Razor, no idea how they held on but we didn't make the most of the 9 men thing. Really strange game. As usual I suppose.

[Yoda01]

Sums it up Razor, no idea how they held on but we didn't make the most of the 9 men thing. Really strange game. As usual I suppose.

what was yere line up clifford?

[razor]

what was yere line up clifford?I heard 6 across midfield and 1 up front :D