Celtic/Rangers thread closed

[Hibs4Ever]

I see this thread was closed because of "political references" i see ONE mention of the word "loyal". Is this how petty we're getting on closing threads????

[Éanna]

I see this thread was closed because of "political references" i see ONE mention of the word "loyal". Is this how petty we're getting on closing threads????
"ceptic"
"huns"
"loyal friends"
It was going the same way as every thread about those two poxy clubs in that poxy league has gone. I'm sick of having to read through endless drivel about it because people can't just discuss football and only football.

[Hibs4Ever]

"ceptic"
"huns"
"loyal friends"
It was going the same way as every thread about those two poxy clubs in that poxy league has gone. I'm sick of having to read through endless drivel about it because people can't just discuss football and only football.


Ceptic is a political word??? WOW

So you get to close threads because you don't like the SPL???

[Éanna]

Ceptic is a political word??? WOW

So you get to close threads because you don't like the SPL???
No, its because using the word ceptic led to the discussion going down the same road as every other thread on the subject.

If I closed every thread I didn't like, there'd be a lot more disappearing. I closed that one because I'm sick of the same old discussion over and over and over

[dahamsta]

So you get to close threads because you don't like the SPL???Let me ask you something Saints4Ever: Do you think that's an effective way to get people to listen to your arguments? Do you think it's a mature way to resolve a problem?

I stated last week in the Moderator's forum that I have no objection to a complete ban on Celtic/Rangers discussions, for the simple reason that - for whatever the reason; political, religious, sheer stupidity - they never, ever conclude without at least one flame war.

Nobody here is getting paid to monitor or enable this kind of discussion. If people want a platform for arguing with each other and bitching like children, I'd be happy to provide it. How does a tenner a month sound?

adam

[Hibs4Ever]

Let me ask you something Saints4Ever: Do you think that's an effective way to get people to listen to your arguments? Do you think it's a mature way to resolve a problem?

I stated last week in the Moderator's forum that I have no objection to a complete ban on Celtic/Rangers discussions, for the simple reason that - for whatever the reason; political, religious, sheer stupidity - they never, ever conclude without at least one flame war.

Nobody here is getting paid to monitor or enable this kind of discussion. If people want a platform for arguing with each other and bitching like children, I'd be happy to provide it. How does a tenner a month sound?

adam


Calm down!! I only asked a question. It's not a problem for me if you wanna ban celtic topics. Trust me on this :D

[Eire06]

Calm down!! I only asked a question. It's not a problem for me if you wanna ban celtic topics. Trust me on this :D
Sure might as well ban Sligo and Galway topics cause theyre always argueing oh and cork and Dublin cause they're always argueing and slagging each other off..
OH lets just have a site where everyone agrees with everyone..

Celtic topics should not be banned IMO its the people who troll on these threads and ture the topics political that should be banned :mad: :mad:

Not all people support Celtic and Rangers for political reasons you know.. :mad: :mad:

[dahamsta]

All those other flame wars pop up occasionally. The Celtic/Rangers issue is 100% across the board, every thread. As I said. In my post. Up there.

adam

[Hibs4Ever]

So it's ok for these "wars" to happen now and again on some threads???? Who decides what threads? What about moderators with posts about their own national team being a bunch of english ******'s on a website with 99% of people from that country. I guess you feel this is ok. :mad: There was NO "war" on the thread that was closed. Banter about clubs nicknames for other clubs. As I said, PETTY. A thread closed by someone who hates the SPL. :mad:

[Eire06]

All those other flame wars pop up occasionally. The Celtic/Rangers issue is 100% across the board, every thread. As I said. In my post. Up there.

adam
I know but please don't ban Celtic Threads, some people actually want to use them for footie chat not just slagging them off and disrespecting other religions and nationalities... :(
There is a lot of trolling in these threads I know and it's a hard decision to make, but a few suspensions might sort it out :(

[dahamsta]

Well, the way I see it, none of these alleged non-flaming posters have made even the slightest attempt to help the moderators deal with the issues. No reported posts, no PM's, no nothing. Why should we give a sh*t?

adam

[Eire06]

Well, the way I see it, none of these alleged non-flaming posters have made even the slightest attempt to help the moderators deal with the issues. No reported posts, no PM's, no nothing. Why should we give a sh*t?

adam
How do you report posts? and I'll PM whatever mod is in charge anymore.. I'm soo gona wreak their head

[Hibs4Ever]

QUICK, QUICK, someones talking about celtic in ireland forum. Shut it down or there'll be WAR :D :D

[Eire06]

QUICK, QUICK, someones talking about celtic in ireland forum. Shut it down or there'll be WAR :D :D
Oh shut up..

[drinkfeckarse]

I thought it was harsh myself when I saw it was closed. Can understand Eanna's logic but can't help thinking his judgement was clouded by his hatred for all things Celtic and SPL.

Now I hope this is not going to get shut just because we are questioning it but sometimes I feel the mods and Adam go over the top (espeically if they are having a bad day).

We all know you do it on your own time and you should know that we all appreciate it but the contempt shown for it's users sometimes is insulting. Quite ironic given the "attack the post not the poster" line.

[Éanna]

I thought it was harsh myself when I saw it was closed. Can understand Eanna's logic but can't help thinking his judgement was clouded by his hatred for all things Celtic and SPL.
I don't hate Celtic or the SPL. FFS, I have a Celtic jersey in my wardrobe. I'm just sick of every thread about Celtic descending into the same old ****e over and over. If people were prepared to just talk about football it would be fine, but every thread about Celtic descends into the same argument "Hun" this "tan" that etc etc

[Ruairi]

I have a Celtic jersey in my wardrobe

That's not all that's in the closet....





ignore me i'm in a funny mood

[Green Tribe]

That's not all that's in the closet....





ignore me i'm in a funny mood


Spit it out Ruairi!

:D

We've got your pic remember! :D

[Eire06]

this is a discussion on Celtic\rangers threads being closed not on Eannas sexual orientation please keep it on topic..

[Éanna]

this is a discussion on Celtic\rangers threads being closed not on Eannas sexual orientation please keep it on topic..
Thanks Eire06. Because goats have absolutely nothing to do with Scottish football :)

[Éanna]

Spit it out Ruairi!

:D

We've got your pic remember! :D
and that picture doesn't say a 1,000 words, just one:

midget :D

[dahamsta]

I'm just sick of every thread about Celtic descending into the same old ****e over and over. If people were prepared to just talk about football it would be fine, but every thread about Celtic descends into the same argument "Hun" this "tan" that etc etcWhat he said. And for the record, I'm having an entirely average day.

adam

[Ruairi]

and that picture doesn't say a 1,000 words, just one:

midget :D

Didnt realise kerr's tribe has a picture with just the word "midget" on it.. a bit stupid i have to say..


And for the record, I'm having an entirely average day.

my days just gotten a hundred times better as i've just realised that i'm finished work in half an hour, off for 2 days and when i come into work on friday its pay day...

[liam88]

Just a suggestion here-not having a crack at the mods/Adams judgement or anything.....but if we had a Celtic board could this solve some of the trouble?
If every thread abou Celtic had to be discussed in this board as a rule then it would mean any problems contained to one plac and not darkening the doorsteps of world football etc.
It could also mean rules could be a bit more lax on that specific board as we knowit owuld not spill over into the main forum?

[Pat O' Banton]

Just a suggestion here-not having a crack at the mods/Adams judgement or anything.....but if we had a Celtic board could this solve some of the trouble?
If every thread abou Celtic had to be discussed in this board as a rule then it would mean any problems contained to one plac and not darkening the doorsteps of world football etc.
It could also mean rules could be a bit more lax on that specific board as we knowit owuld not spill over into the main forum?

I believe that you may need a tin hat there Liam! :eek:

I for once agree with the mods about Celtic/ Rangers threads. I didn't post on it because even if it hadn't desended into a war at the stage where it was locked it would sooner or later head in that direction.
I know it doesn't make the mods jobs easier but I find it difficult to report issues when I feel that we can argue them out our selfs, then again all this means is that the mod will have to wade through our arguements going around in circles, so whats the solution?
a) ban celtic threads; v. extreme and excludes quite a topics that people who post on this board have a genuine (non political) interest in.
b) any trolling to be reported to a mod, great in theory but its probably not going to happen, if for example someone calls us Plastic Paddies I know that I would find it difficult to let it go without giving it a response, esp knowing that the post would probably not be deleted.
c) posters ignore trolling; see above.
d) I'm at a loss for a d) however if we do have an idea to hold the peace whenever Celtic are mentioned any chance of the threads being allowed to be opened again?

[dahamsta]

Liam, that question has been asked and answered several times, you should know better than to ask it again.

POB, we don't have a problem with the football discussion, we have a problem with people not being able to grow up and stick to that subject. There has been no evidence that this is going to happen. Same old, same old.

adam

[liam88]

Liam, that question has been asked and answered several times, you should know better than to ask it again.


Sorry fair play-just thought it was a relevant time and i'd rahter dicuss Celtic here than the Huddleboard ;)

What about some kind of Celtic agreement which people have to accept-something along the lines of:

-Celtic have strong Irish links giving every Irish person a right to support them
-This is a right not an obligation and anyone who does not support Celtic is no less Irish
-Celtic also has a huige fan base in Scotland and across the world-it is not exclusivly Irish
-It is someones own choice to follow any football team they like be it EL, SPL, Premiership or other
-People must accept all teams have bad elements-Rangers fans are not all scum
-Yes Celtic fans through banna's; it's in the past
-Just because someone supports Celtic it does not mean that they are Republican/A "plastic paddy"/in the IRA
-Just because someone supports Rangers it does not mean they are Loyalist/in the Orange Order/in Combat 18
-Terms such as "hun" and "ceptic" (in reference to Celtic) are immature and not acceptable
-It's spelt Celtic however it is pronounced-get over it
-If someone chooses to support Celtic in place of the national team that's their own decision just like it would be to support Man. Utd in place of Ireland

Mabye? :D

[Éanna]

Just a suggestion here-not having a crack at the mods/Adams judgement or anything.....but if we had a Celtic board could this solve some of the trouble?
If every thread abou Celtic had to be discussed in this board as a rule then it would mean any problems contained to one plac and not darkening the doorsteps of world football etc.
It could also mean rules could be a bit more lax on that specific board as we knowit owuld not spill over into the main forum?
2 points:
1. This is an Irish football site, Celtic are Scottish.
2. There is room for discussion of any non-Irish football in the world footbll forum, and people just abuse it when it comes to these two clubs.

[Pat O' Banton]

POB, we don't have a problem with the football discussion, we have a problem with people not being able to grow up and stick to that subject. There has been no evidence that this is going to happen. Same old, same old.

adam

Fair enough. I'll have to be honest about this, I'd be delighted to stick simply to football matters when it comes to Celtic in future but the reality is that if Celtic discussions come up again I'll not even open the thread as I know that someone who has no interest in the thread will use it as an opportunity for some childish trolling about plastic paddies or the like (yes I do mean people like aldini) and I won't be able to ignore it, would anyone else on the board ignore similar insults? And yes I'm well aware that I should go to a mod about the matter but I know that I wouldn't.

As I said before; threads that I have no interest in I don't tend to open so I fail to see why others on here don't take the same notion when it comes to Celtic.

[Éanna]

As I said before; threads that I have no interest in I don't tend to open so I fail to see why others on here don't take the same notion when it comes to Celtic.
If only it was like that, there'd be no problem.

[dahamsta]

There's an Ignore List facility, why don't you try that? Click on a user's handle, click on "Add $USER to Your Ignore List", confirm, viola.

[Éanna]

There's an Ignore List facility, why don't you try that? Click on a user's handle, click on "Add $USER to Your Ignore List", confirm, viola.
speaking for myself, I couldn't do that, cos I'd get paranoid that people were talking about me behind my back :D :D

[boysingreen]

1. This is an Irish football site, Celtic are Scottish.

It's not black and white. It's not either / or. As a matter of a fact, you're trying to spin the very reason WHY Brother Walfrid called the club CELTIC - a name that recognized BOTH it's IRISH AND SCOTTISH roots. Don't ever be so foolish as to detach Irish from Celtic's very roots and strong traditions, nobody with the slightest bit of common sense buys it. Take away Irish from Celtic and the club doesn't exist.

[liam88]

It's not black and white. It's not either / or. As a matter of a fact, you're trying to spin the very reason WHY Brother Walfrid called the club CELTIC - a name that recognized BOTH it's IRISH AND SCOTTISH roots. Don't ever be so foolish as to detach Irish from Celtic's very roots and strong traditions, nobody with the slightest bit of common sense buys it. Take away Irish from Celtic and the club doesn't exist.
fair juice to ya bhoyo-still waiting to see if my Celtic agreement proposal is accepted-what do you think of it Adam?

[Éanna]

It's not black and white. It's not either / or. As a matter of a fact, you're trying to spin the very reason WHY Brother Walfrid called the club CELTIC - a name that recognized BOTH it's IRISH AND SCOTTISH roots. Don't ever be so foolish as to detach Irish from Celtic's very roots and strong traditions, nobody with the slightest bit of common sense buys it. Take away Irish from Celtic and the club doesn't exist.
We're not starting this discussion all over again are we? its been done to death. Celtic are a scottish club, who play in scotland, part of the united kingdom- they have irish roots, but they are scottish- end of.

[Éanna]

Liam:

Liam, that question has been asked and answered several times, you should know better than to ask it again.

[Colm]

It's not black and white. It's not either / or. As a matter of a fact, you're trying to spin the very reason WHY Brother Walfrid called the club CELTIC - a name that recognized BOTH it's IRISH AND SCOTTISH roots. Don't ever be so foolish as to detach Irish from Celtic's very roots and strong traditions, nobody with the slightest bit of common sense buys it. Take away Irish from Celtic and the club doesn't exist.

There's always one! :rolleyes:

Surely this post backs up the whole argument against allowing Celtic threads.

[A face]

It's not black and white. It's not either / or. As a matter of a fact, you're trying to spin the very reason WHY Brother Walfrid called the club CELTIC - a name that recognized BOTH it's IRISH AND SCOTTISH roots. Don't ever be so foolish as to detach Irish from Celtic's very roots and strong traditions, nobody with the slightest bit of common sense buys it. Take away Irish from Celtic and the club doesn't exist.

Wibble wibble !! :eek: :p :rolleyes:

[4tothefloor]

I agree with Adam & the mods (Sounds like a band :D ). The minute I see 'Celtic' in the thread title I just have no interest in opening it or reading it. It's drivel that just descends into farce. Politics is a part of these clubs, it's tiresome.

There's a Merseyside thread in the world football forum that is 29 pages long, with something like 570+ posts, and it has been running from early on in the season. It's good banter between fans of the two clubs without turning into farce. Nothing wrong with having a lively discussion or having a go at another club but not every, single, time.... Maybe those who post in the Celtic threads should read it and understand the difference between banter and childishness.

[Pat O' Banton]

There's an Ignore List facility, why don't you try that? Click on a user's handle, click on "Add $USER to Your Ignore List", confirm, viola.

Cause there's always someone new ready to start a ruck so it would do no good in the long run.

[Eire06]

There's a Merseyside thread in the world football forum that is 29 pages long, with something like 570+ posts, and it has been running from early on in the season. It's good banter between fans of the two clubs without turning into farce. Nothing wrong with having a lively discussion or having a go at another club but not every, single, time.... Maybe those who post in the Celtic threads should read it and understand the difference between banter and childishness.
You see that works because 'Fans' of both clubs piost on it the Cletic threads begin with Fans posting about football and then anti-Celtic trollers and fans who think they are fan's because they are Irish and Catholic posting on it to cause an arguement and get the threads closed...
A crack down on trolling is what is called for IMO... Give it a go for a while, have a few people assigned to report trolling or discussion of political issues on these threads, their posts will be binned and they will be givin a warning which can lead to a suspension and or a ban!!

[Macy]

The fact that this thread sums up why the topic is going to be banned. Just as PO'B finds it hard to respond to Plastic Paddy jabs, other's get pulled in when posts appear like Boysingreen's one.

Better left banned imo - it's not like there's some kind of shortage of Celtic Forums that both the pro and anti Celtic sides can go to for their wars. Given the way the threads have tended to decend in here, a significant number would probably be happier where they can dish the abuse as they feel fit....

[sylvo]

There is enough of Celtic site's around as some have said, so If people wanted to post about Celtic they could go and post on them and yes this is a message board about Irish clubs and the Irish national team, but these posts have been on the World football section and the last thread people were posting about the match that had just took place until once again someone couldn't hold back on their hatred for the club and started the name calling, just like there has been threads were people were talking about the club and all of a sudden it has turned into a barrage of rubbish about something that happened eighteen years ago.

There has been comparisions made with the thread about Liverpool and Everton and about how that has not taken off into daft arguments, the fact about that thread is that it is Liverpool and Everton fans having the craic, where as any thread that mentions Celtic you have people who have no interest in Celtic or Rangers jumping in and taking out this new fashion trend of having a dig at Celtic even though they have no interest in either club.

I for One don't go on here calling Celtic an Irish club, I go on here for the craic about the national team and the EL, but there are some who try and for what ever reason make it a crime to even mention Celtic or to even like them becomes a major issue.

I think the mod's do a good job and after all this is a message board about Irish football, but this is not about old firm fans bringing in petty and childish arguments full of hate with each other, it is more a case of anytime Celtic is mentioned people bringing up the same arguments to attack the club and its fans.

[dahamsta]

It's not black and white. It's very black and white. Whatever about Celtic's so-called Irish roots, Celtic is in the SPL, which has nothing to do with Irish football.

People seem to be having difficulty understanding me, so here it is in a nutshell: There will never be a Celtic forum on Foot.ie. Never. Ever.

It would completely defeat the purpose of the site. Let that be an end to discussion on the subject.


Cause there's always someone new ready to start a ruck so it would do no good in the long run.Well, with all due respect POB, it's as much your fault for not being able to deal with trolls as it is theirs for started it. It takes two to tango.

In my experience, when trolls are ignored they get bored and go away pretty quickly. Stupid people have short attention spans.

adam

[Eire06]

It's very black and white. Whatever about Celtic's so-called Irish roots, Celtic is in the SPL, which has nothing to do with Irish football.

People seem to be having difficulty understanding me, so here it is in a nutshell: There will never be a Celtic forum on Foot.ie. Never. Ever. It would completely defeat the purpose of the site.

adam

I don't want a Celtic forum on this site, but I do want to be able discuss Celtic playing football in the world football forum when I have something to talk about without having to give my reason for supporting them and discussing the political issues between rangers and Celtic, and without fools coming on trooling slagging off the club just for political reasons and not mentioning the football..
:mad:

just like Chelsea fans can talk about their club and Man U fans and barca fans I can go on and on

[Éanna]

I don't want a Celtic forum on this site, but I do want to be able discuss Celtic playing football in the world football forum when I have something to talk about without having to give my reason for supporting them and discussing the political issues between rangers and Celtic, and without fools coming on trooling slagging off the club just for political reasons and not mentioning the football..
:mad:

just like Chelsea fans can talk about their club and Man U fans and barca fans I can go on and on
yeah, I can understand that- the problem is that every single thread on Celtic degenerates into the same ol' ****e. And that leaves two options:
1. Mods can police the threads very strictly, i.e. babysit them 24/7
2. Ban the threads.
Option 1 is quite frankly far too time-consuming, so option 2 is all thats left IMO

[Pat O' Banton]

Well, with all due respect POB, it's as much your fault for not being able to deal with trolls as it is theirs for started it. It takes two to tango.

In my experience, when trolls are ignored they get bored and go away pretty quickly. Stupid people have short attention spans.

adam

I am well aware that it is partly my fault that I'll answer back, I know that I should report it to a mod but I haven't in the past and I doubt if I'll start now, so bascially as I was saying if the board is allowed Celtic threads in the future, I'll be best avoiding them. Shame the football bits I did enjoy.

[Green Tribe]

I am well aware that it is partly my fault that I'll answer back, I know that I should report it to a mod but I haven't in the past and I doubt if I'll start now, so bascially as I was saying if the board is allowed Celtic threads in the future, I'll be best avoiding them. Shame the football bits I did enjoy.

Don't worry Pat, Aldini98 and I have mutually agreed that I'm going to drown him in Cyprus :D

[Eire06]

yeah, I can understand that- the problem is that every single thread on Celtic degenerates into the same ol' ****e. And that leaves two options:
1. Mods can police the threads very strictly, i.e. babysit them 24/7
2. Ban the threads.
Option 1 is quite frankly far too time-consuming, so option 2 is all thats left IMO

What if 1 or 2 people could be part-time mods and just agree to keep an eye on such threads and report them if there are issues...

[Éanna]

What if 1 or 2 people could be part-time mods and just agree to keep an eye on such threads and report them if there are issues...
Thats up to adam.........