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razor
26/04/2005, 9:03 AM
Cech
G. Neville Terry Ferdinand Ashley Cole
Wright-Philips Gerrard Lampard Robben
Henry Johnson


Personally would not have picked Gerrard maybe Kilbane instead, Carragher maybe.
Would have picked Finnan above Neville.
Heinze probably had a better season than A Cole.
Hard to argue with the rest.

Kingdom
26/04/2005, 9:11 AM
Razor is this the official team of the season or just your own one?

Either way I would disagree with both full backs. Finnan and Heinze definitely. Wouldn't have Gerrard there either, British tabloid hype. Carragher would be pushing for a place.

razor
26/04/2005, 9:15 AM
its the PFA one from the other night

ciaran76
26/04/2005, 9:15 AM
Mine would be....


Cech
G.Neville Terry Carragher A.Cole
Wright-Philips Cahill Lampard Robben
Rooney Johnson

monutdfc
26/04/2005, 9:53 AM
Definitely Heinze for me; best defender I've seen in years.

tonycuna
26/04/2005, 9:56 AM
Cech
G. Neville Terry Ferdinand Ashley Cole
Wright-Philips Gerrard Lampard Robben
Henry Johnson



Totally agree with the front duo, Henry-Johnson.

Surely Finnan above Neville...
And Kilbane deserved a place, but I don't know above who.. :confused:

I always want A.Cole in my team, but I'm a gooner, so... :rolleyes:

anto1208
26/04/2005, 9:58 AM
neville at full back is ridiculous it should be finnan or hibbert .heinze at left back .
no way gerard should be on the team id put cahill in there .but kilbane does not deserve a place as suggested .


plus its hardly british tabloid hype as suggested it was the pfa that chose it

Thomo
26/04/2005, 10:33 AM
what about richard dunne?

Hibs4Ever
26/04/2005, 10:34 AM
Mine would be....


Cech
G.Neville Terry Carragher A.Cole
Wright-Philips Cahill Lampard Robben
Rooney Johnson


Sorry Ciaran, but WHY Rooney??? I assume you're a Man Utd supporter :rolleyes: He isn't a fraction of the player Henry is. He's like Rio Ferdinand, an english media player :D

anto1208
26/04/2005, 11:14 AM
Sorry Ciaran, but WHY Rooney??? I assume you're a Man Utd supporter :rolleyes: He isn't a fraction of the player Henry is. He's like Rio Ferdinand, an english media player :D

yea i cant agree with rooney he has been only a fraction of the player he was at everton :D , while henry has to be there he has 30 goals and over 20 assists !!!!.

but again whats with the english media stuff , i thought it was the players choice not the writers !!!

Hibs4Ever
26/04/2005, 11:29 AM
yea i cant agree with rooney he has been only a fraction of the player he was at everton :D , while henry has to be there he has 30 goals and over 20 assists !!!!.

but again whats with the english media stuff , i thought it was the players choice not the writers !!!

Sorry Anto, should have made that more clear, I was referring to Rooney only being a big name because of the english media, he's at best an average player. He's a striker at a top english club, with about 10 league goals, thats not very good, I think lampard has more, and he's a midfielder.
But no doubt, when the english press pick their team of the season Rooney and Rio will be there, 2 average players.

TheJamaicanP.M.
26/04/2005, 11:44 AM
Sorry Anto, should have made that more clear, I was referring to Rooney only being a big name because of the english media, he's at best an average player. He's a striker at a top english club, with about 10 league goals, thats not very good, I think lampard has more, and he's a midfielder.
But no doubt, when the english press pick their team of the season Rooney and Rio will be there, 2 average players.

I think Rooney actually has less than 10 league goals, maybe 6? Our own Robbie Keane has more league goals (11). Anyhow, the players most deserving of the strike positions are Henry and Johnson.

anto1208
26/04/2005, 12:07 PM
i dont agree with johnson he has scored a good few but about 10 of those have been peno's but for a palace striker to get any is good going . i think he got it mainly coz there has been no really outstanding striker bar henry ,

rooney isnt a striker though and shouldnt be judged on how many goals he scores but how well he plays which isnt that good this year ! so much for alex ferguson being able to controll and mould him into a better player than moyes could , . worse disiplinery record and has tarted slapping girls around .

ciaran76
26/04/2005, 12:14 PM
Sorry Ciaran, but WHY Rooney??? I assume you're a Man Utd supporter :rolleyes: He isn't a fraction of the player Henry is. He's like Rio Ferdinand, an english media player :D


I am not a Man Utd supporter :rolleyes:

I have though seen Rooney play this year a few times and rate him as the best young talent in England.

Henry i think is a good player but from players i have actually seen play this year i have chosen. I chose A.Cole not seeing him play at all this season but from what i seen on tv. :confused:

eirebhoy
26/04/2005, 12:52 PM
i dont agree with johnson he has scored a good few but about 10 of those have been peno's but for a palace striker to get any is good going .
Johnson created 90% of the penos himself so they might aswell have been normal goals.

Closed Account 2
26/04/2005, 1:00 PM
i dont agree with johnson he has scored a good few but about 10 of those have been peno's but for a palace striker to get any is good going . i think he got it mainly coz there has been no really outstanding striker bar henry

Well to be fair, most of those pens have been because other team's defenders cant deal with his pace.


rooney isnt a striker though and shouldnt be judged on how many goals he scores but how well he plays which isnt that good this year ! so much for alex ferguson being able to controll and mould him into a better player than moyes could , . worse disiplinery record and has tarted slapping girls around .

Well I agree with that, he's overrated and Everton have done a very smart bit of business there, when you consider they could sign several proven goalscorers for a fraction of the money they got for him. It was noticable how, when faced with quality defenders, Wayne Rooney looked very ordinary eg the matches against Milan. I dont know how many yellow cards he's got per se, but he certainly is as petulant as ever and would do well to curb his outbursts of swearing at the officials. I think Drogba could have been in with a shout for the team had he not been injured for a fair bit of time around Xmas, as he seems to be a very good striker. Pace, strength, great shot and good in the air, he was very impressive against Bayern, who are no push overs.

anto1208
26/04/2005, 2:32 PM
Well to be fair, most of those pens have been because other team's defenders cant deal with his pace.



Well I agree with that, he's overrated and Everton have done a very smart bit of business there, when you consider they could sign several proven goalscorers for a fraction of the money they got for him. It was noticable how, when faced with quality defenders, Wayne Rooney looked very ordinary eg the matches against Milan. I dont know how many yellow cards he's got per se, but he certainly is as petulant as ever and would do well to curb his outbursts of swearing at the officials. I think Drogba could have been in with a shout for the team had he not been injured for a fair bit of time around Xmas, as he seems to be a very good striker. Pace, strength, great shot and good in the air, he was very impressive against Bayern, who are no push overs.


fair play to johnson he deserves it it s a lot harder to score 20 goals for palace even with peno's than to get 20 for utd or chelsea etc... but i think if ruud had been fit it would have been ruud and henry .

in fairness to rooney he is 19 there are nt too many 19 year olds that the milan defence couldnt handle , but he has more yellow s and his attitude is a lot worse since joining utd ,
great move by everton to sell him plus it will be hard for utd to find the cash to rebuild for next year when they owe everton another 10 mill this summer .

cant agree with the drogba statement he is rubbish not worth anywhere near 25 mill he cost plus he is a striker and id say even rooney has more goals than him ,

Closed Account 2
26/04/2005, 2:50 PM
Well they've conceeded 20 goals in Serie A, including to teams in and around the bottom (eg Siena, Messina, Livorno). Pierre Wome, a Fulham reject, scored against them for Brescia the other week in the San Sero.

Rooney and Drogba are actually on 10 each (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/topscorers?league=ENG.1&cc=5739) in the league. Both have played 25 games. In the CL Rooney (http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/Players/Player=63891/index.html#) has 3 goals in 6 , Drogba (http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/Players/Player=70482/index.html#) 5 goals in 7.

4tothefloor
26/04/2005, 8:18 PM
Cech
G. Neville Terry Ferdinand Ashley Cole
Wright-Philips Gerrard Lampard Robben
Henry Johnson

I don't agree on the full backs, Ferdinand or Gerrard. My team would be:

Cech
Finnan Terry Carragher Heinze
Wright-Philips Cahill Lampard Duff
Henry Robben

Dan K
26/04/2005, 10:01 PM
Where's Crouch? :D

Superhoops
26/04/2005, 10:11 PM
Cech
G. Neville Terry Ferdinand Ashley Cole
Wright-Philips Gerrard Lampard Robben
Henry Johnson

Ferdinand, Wright-Philips, Gerard and Robben did not play a full season, not their fault I know (apart from Ferdinand) but how do they qualify for team of the season?

I would have thought consistent good performers would be more suitable candidates. No arguement with Terry, Lampard, Cech, Henry, Johnson but what about Jamie Carragher, Kenny Cunningham and IMHO the most important player in the Chelsea team, Claude Makelele!

Finally, if Gary Neville is the best right back in the Premiership then there must be some serious ar**holes playing right back in the other teams!

pete
26/04/2005, 10:14 PM
Cech
Ferreira Terry Campbell Heinza
Robben Gerrard Lampard Downing
Henry Johnson

Superhoops
26/04/2005, 10:27 PM
Cech
Ferreira Terry Campbell Heinza
Robben Gerrard Lampard Downing
Henry Johnson
Assume this is Sol! I thought he has only played 14/15 games in the league this season or have I missed something. If so, he could not possibly be in a team of the season.

eirebhoy
26/04/2005, 10:32 PM
Assume this is Sol! I thought he has only played 14/15 games in the league this season or have I missed something. If so, he could not possibly be in a team of the season.
Robben's in it. They both played the exact same amount of minutes this season.

Éanna
26/04/2005, 10:39 PM
From what I've seen (i.e. highlights and 2 or 3 live games) I'd go with:

Cech

Ferreira Carvalho Terry Heinze

W-Phillips Alonso Makelele Duff

Johnson Defoe

Superhoops
26/04/2005, 11:36 PM
Robben's in it. They both played the exact same amount of minutes this season.

Same applies to Robben and Gerrard, as posted earlier.

Ferdinand, Wright-Philips, Gerard and Robben did not play a full season, not their fault I know (apart from Ferdinand) but how do they qualify for team of the season?

pete
26/04/2005, 11:47 PM
I don't like picking the best XI.

Better to have worst Xi ;)

I don't really watch full live EP matches so just based on highlights.

I really do think Downing is due his place as is in double figures for assists alone.

Ferdinard is over-rated & over-hyped plus he is protected by the defensive nature of his team this season.

4tothefloor
27/04/2005, 12:39 AM
Ferdinand, Wright-Philips, Gerard and Robben did not play a full season, not their fault I know (apart from Ferdinand) but how do they qualify for team of the season?

I would have thought consistent good performers would be more suitable candidates. No arguement with Terry, Lampard, Cech, Henry, Johnson but what about Jamie Carragher, Kenny Cunningham and IMHO the most important player in the Chelsea team, Claude Makelele

That's not the team I picked. I picked Carragher in my team, so don't know why you're quoting me?

I would have Xabi Alonso in that side as well, but he's been out for a while. IMO, he pi$ses on every other midfielder in the premiership, from a great height. The best passer of a football in the world, bar none.

thecorner
27/04/2005, 3:22 AM
i dont agree with johnson he has scored a good few but about 10 of those have been peno's but for a palace striker to get any is good going . i think he got it mainly coz there has been no really outstanding striker bar henry ,



stupid statement...penalty doesnt automatically mean goal. there is still the little matter of taking it and put the ball in the net. i was over last week and saw johnson play...the man is a constant threat with fierce pace.

most of the penalty decisions would nearly have resulted in goals anyway if the penalty had not been given.

i repeat again

PENALTY DOES NOT EQUAL GOAL

Karlos
27/04/2005, 8:01 AM
Can't believe Robert Pires wasn't included - 30 plus games this season for a 31 year old as well as the top scoring midfielder in the league with 11 and 2 assists - he's even got more goals than world class strikers Rooney and Drogba!

razor
27/04/2005, 8:27 AM
I think the PFA stuff gets voted for around Christmas time, which would make some sense in the team that was selected.
Stupid really but i thinks thats how it goes.

Karlos
27/04/2005, 8:43 AM
Pires is the most over-rated (non-English) player in the Premiership.

Your having a laff right - more over rated than Saha, Baros, Drogba, Kewell etc.....What do you base your judgement on?

I assume it's not on facts like his record number of assists in 2002 and his annual goal totals that are consistantly above any midfielder in the league.

19 goals and 10 assists in all competitions last season with
14 goals in all competitions so far this season with 5 games remanining which is THE top midfielder strike rate in the league.


true, goals don't make a player great but it's the consistant records of goals combined with his assists and number of games he plays that's impressive with Pires and unmatched by any midfielder in the league in that context.

Yes he can't tackle and he's the ONLY player in the league who dives (still see the FA haven't recinded the yellow card in the FA Cup game against Bolton when he WAS fouled) and he rarely heads the ball ( although I was priviliged to see him do it twice on Monday night :eek: ). I suppose the defining factor is that Duff, Robben, Ronaldo, and the likes don't dive.....................ahem......... :eek:

Mourinho
27/04/2005, 9:35 AM
My team would have been:

cech
hibbert gallas terry heinze

S.W. Phillips makelele lampard Duffers

henry johnson <-- (despite his diving)

There probably is a bit of favourtism towards my beloved chelsea but you cant complain too much with the ones in it!! ;)

Mourinho
27/04/2005, 9:39 AM
Pires is the most over-rated (non-English) player in the Premiership.

Smartest thing ever said on this site :D

thecorner
27/04/2005, 9:24 PM
johnson <-- (despite his diving)



no diving there bud ;)

eirebhoy
27/04/2005, 9:52 PM
After watching tonights match I'm pretty certain that if Duff was in Robben's shoes* and Robben was in Duff's shoes**, Duff would be in the team of the year and not Robben.

*Robbens Shoes - Out injured at the start of the season. Out injured since the new year.

**Duff's Shoes - Played every game (except S****horpe) since September.

The reason I say this is that Robben has (1) never played well against a top team for Chelsea and (2) needs Duff on the pitch to be at his best. If Duff was out injured since the new year and Robben was playing I don't think we would be seeing Robben playing half as well as he does with Duff. I think Duff would then be the player that Chelsea sorely miss and the player that turned their 1-0's into 4-0's.

BTW - Mourinho said the following in his post match conference:
Mourinho: "They fought very well. They defended very well but they lost Xabi Alonso for the next game at Anfield. They'll have to cope without him just like we've had to cope without Duff."

The only time he mentioned Robben's injury was when he was asked about it and even then he would say Chelsea are not a one man team. :)

Thomo
28/04/2005, 10:46 AM
gk:jasskelainan
Lb:heinze
cb:terry
cb:dunne:
rb:finnan
lmf:duff
cmf:fabregas
cmf:makelele
rmf:c.ronaldo
cf:henry
cf:boa morte

I know a few odd choices but for me thats teh ebst players i think ive seen in their positions all season in terms fo their circumstances and they way theyve played. I'e jasskelainan has been great esp in a team who lack resources in terms of money.

I honestly think boa morte deserves his inclusion to, he has turned form alughable arsenal reject, to top calss striker under chris coleman, most improved player ive seen this season.

tonycuna
28/04/2005, 5:37 PM
gk:jasskelainan
Lb:heinze
cb:terry
cb:dunne:
rb:finnan
lmf:duff
cmf:fabregas
cmf:makelele
rmf:c.ronaldo
cf:henry
cf:boa morte


Surely Fabregas had an outstanding impact this season. I don't know if C.Ronaldo and BoaMorte deserve a place much more than Lampard and Johnson... :confused:

But in the end, maybe I'm more agree with this than with the official one.. :rolleyes: ;)