Ultras / Casuals / Commandos

[hamish]

I came across some excellent research undertaken by the Social Issues Research Centre in Englnad on the topic of soccer hooliganism. Its a great read,

http://www.sirc.org/publik/fvexec.html#_VPID_1
Thanks for that link, aido b, have read about about football violence but here there and everwhere, if you know what I mean. But that's a great site with loads of info. you posted - big help, thanks man. :)

[stojkovic]

CASUALS
To my knowledge the term CASUALS was first coined by Liverpool fans in late 70s early 80s. On their many trips to Europe they would walk into shops and 'lift' the latest trendy gear. At the time LACOSTE and POLO were the big names. They would sell the gear back home to pay for their trip. Liverpool fans were known all over Europe as 'well-behaved' on the hooligan front but thieving *******s. Trips to Paris and Milan were always favoured. This type of thing was depicted in a programme about the WC82 called 'Arrividerci Millwall' if anyone remembers it.

ULTRAS
As someone said this term was started by Italians and copied all over the world.

[Macy]

Why did this myth about the scousers not having hoolie's originate? Just because they were snide blade fighters, doesn't mean they weren't hooligans. Don't believe everything you read in the hoolie books.

Casuals sprang from the 70's, originally to not look like the stereotypical football fan, so as to avoid the attention of the police (at a time when it was colour overload - scarves tied to wrists etc). Theory was, look like a well off joe bloggs ( :) ) and slip into towns/grounds unnoticed. From there it became part of the culture to try and out do rival firms by what you wore as well as violence.

[stojkovic]

Why did this myth about the scousers not having hoolie's originate? Just because they were snide blade fighters, doesn't mean they weren't hooligans. Don't believe everything you read in the hoolie books.

Possibly because up until 1985 Liverpool had NEVER been banned in Europe.

Man United
Leeds
Tottenham
Rangers
West Ham

Had all received some form of ban from UEFA in the 70s and early 80s.

[Macy]

Possibly because up until 1985 Liverpool had NEVER been banned in Europe.

Man United
Leeds
Tottenham
Rangers
West Ham

Had all received some form of ban from UEFA in the 70s and early 80s.
Case proven then :rolleyes:

[GavinZac]

Possibly because up until 1985 Liverpool had NEVER been banned in Europe.

Man United
Leeds
Tottenham
Rangers
West Ham

Had all received some form of ban from UEFA in the 70s and early 80s.

thats like saying harold shipman wasnt a murderer until he was convicted.

[stojkovic]

thats like saying harold shipman wasnt a murderer until he was convicted.
And shipman performed his duty in front of 50,000 people, hundreds of journos and tv cameras all across Europe, did he ?

Bad comparison.

[GavinZac]

And shipman performed his duty in front of 50,000 people, hundreds of journos and tv cameras all across Europe, did he ?

Bad comparison.

hooligans arent gladiators, they typically dont/didnt take to the field "in front of 50,000 people, hundreds of journos and tv cameras all across Europe".

if you think Liverpool never caused any trouble, then you're either a fan or read a book by a fan.