terrible road accidents in dublin & cork

[the 12 th man]

3 people in dublin & 2 in cork lost their lives in horrible incidents over night.
realistically what can we do to make people be more aware and drive with more care.?

i know these incidents themselves might not have been the peolpes fault(who perished) but in general we are loosing too many people on our roads

[joey B]

I lost a friend of mine in a road accident last year and it was the same as most the car was driving too fast.

Only answer SLOW DOWN!

[Macy]

Obviously the state of the roads is also an issue. Garda resources concentrating on catching speeders rather than slowing down traffic, speed traps on the wrong roads (motorways and dual carriageways) etc.

Ultimately I think the biggest thing the country could do is get the provisional drivers off the road, bizarre and non-sensical that you can drive on your own before even taking a test, never mind failing one. If all drivers were actually fully qualified it would surely be a start? Unfortunately no ones got the balls to do it.

[Dawn_Run]

Ultimately I think the biggest thing the country could do is get the provisional drivers off the road, bizarre and non-sensical that you can drive on your own before even taking a test, never mind failing one. If all drivers were actually fully qualified it would surely be a start? Unfortunately no ones got the balls to do it.

totall agree - the fact that you can get "legally" drive a car without a practical test is a joke. Makes the driving test system come across as a money spinner. 14 month wait for driving tests certainly doesnt help the situation either.

[pete]

I heard the one about 2 dying on the NCR in dublin last night at 3am or something. Said they crashed into a parked truck. I live just up the road so curious to know what part of the NCR as some parts can be quiet dark. seen the section closed off this morning & is the widest & brightest (no trees) section of the road so only reason can be speed (possibly booted through junction to beat lght). This may offend some people & i don't know full facts but speed limt is 30mph (whatever that is on kph) so can't blame anyone else & driver can only be one to blame.

I don't know if family can claim compensation but there may come a point when such payments should be blocked?

Every new minister for transport & justice in last 10 years has told us all how terrible it is that can drive with proivisional licence as if we didn't know. None of them have done 1 thing about solving. Seems like they have "negotiated" with testers union for years with no result.
Solution:
1. Create National Register of Driving instructor which trains & certifys Driving instructor. No instructor licence = not allowed train others.
2. Hire New Driving instructors for test centres ASAP. No excuses, no negotiating! If someone has instructors licence they can apply for job.
3. Once sufficient instructors to keep up with backlog send out dealine that no provisional drivers may drive unless under instruction!

It really is that simple. It will be self financing so no costs issues. Screw the special interest groups.

[the 12 th man]

junction of prussia st & ncr.

[Éanna]

I don't think speed is as big a problem as people make out. The biggest problem is that a large number of people on the roads in this country cannot actually drive properly. The driving test is a joke- with a bit of luck any idiot can pass it, you don't need to be a good driver anyway. How to stop the carnage:
1. Provisional drivers off the road.
2. Improve the roads.
3. Introduce proper speed limits (i.e. why can you do 50kms on a dual carriageway and 80 on a country lane :rolleyes: )
4. Introduce a proper driving test, that makes sure people know how to drive PROPERLY.
5. Speed traps where they're needed, not where its easy to catch people.
6. Regulate driving instructors, so they have to have some kind of qualification (not just a full licence :rolleyes: )

[Countyman]

Have a dedicated traffic core with zero tolerance for bad and dangerous driving and not pulling people up on relatively safe roads like motor ways and dual carraigeways.

The USA being a good example of zero tolerance.

I wouldn't necessarily blame the bad roads. You gotta drive to the conditions and unfortunately people still speed without respecting the ****ty road / weather / other drivers etc.

[Éanna]

I wouldn't necessarily blame the bad roads. You gotta drive to the conditions and unfortunately people still speed without respecting the ****ty road / weather / other drivers etc.
Thats the key to it. And people aren't trained to do that. 3 or 4 lessons and a spin around a housing estate on a sunny day is enough to get you a licence in this country- its madness

[dahamsta]

The biggest problem is that a large number of people on the roads in this country cannot actually drive properly.Precisely. Speed doesn't kill people, bad driving does. I see at least two or three people every day that should not be allowed drive a car. It's like giving them a loaded gun and telling them to be careful with that small bit of metal hanging down.

adam

[joey B]

While I agree that bad drivers is a huge contributing factor to road deaths,its a bit naive to state that speed dose'nt kill.

[dahamsta]

While I agree that bad drivers is a huge contributing factor to road deaths,its a bit naive to state that speed dose'nt kill.No it's not. You can tell me that "speeding without due consideration kills" and I won't argue with you, but "speed kills" doesn't work with me. It's a non-sequitur invented by media consultants to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Or, to put it another way, it's an unqualified meaningless statement.

If we're going to accept stupid statements as truth, with no critical examinations, I've got one for you: Drivers that don't keep up with traffic - which is in the rules of the road - cause accidents to occur on a regular basis, as people behind them get frustrated and take chances. Here's my slogan:

Slow Kills

Will you put that on the telly in horrific ads that bad drivers ignore, and everyone else finds upsetting? Of course you won't. Because it's stupid.

adam

[pineapple stu]

bizarre and non-sensical that you can drive on your own before even taking a test, never mind failing one.
You can't any more though, can you? First provisional drivers can't drive on their own, and can't go up to second provisional (who can drive on their own) without taking a test (this is relatively recent, granted). If you go beyond second provisional, you're back to requiring a full-licence holder in the car with you.

Enforcing that is another issue though. Who's ever been stopped and asked for their licence before?

[cullenswood]

You can't any more though, can you? First provisional drivers can't drive on their own, and can't go up to second provisional (who can drive on their own) without taking a test (this is relatively recent, granted). If you go beyond second provisional, you're back to requiring a full-licence holder in the car with you.

You don't need to apply for the test until you are applying for your third provisional licence

[monutdfc]

The primary contributory factor to fatal and injury accidents involving young drivers was speed. Fifty-two per cent of fatal accidents involving young drivers specified speed as a contributory factor, compared with 27 per cent for accidents involving older drivers.
NRA report


Speed doesn't cause accidents - it’s other things?

Speed is a significant contributory factor to injury collisions in Northern Ireland – at least 25% of all fatal collisions in Northern Ireland are caused by speed. Research (The effects of drivers' speed on the frequency of road accidents, TRL 421) has shown that for every 1mph reduction in average speed there is a 5% reduction in the number of collisions.
PSNI Safety Camera Scheme



Speed is the single largest factor contributing to road deaths in Ireland.
Over 40% of fatal accidents are caused by excessive or inappropriate speed.

Research and international experience show that the frequency and severity of road crashes tend to decrease with reductions in average speed. A 1km/h decrease in average speed results typically in a 3% decrease in road crash frequency. (Source: European Transport Safety Council)
National Safety Council website

[Lionel Ritchie]

Arguing that excessive speed isn't as big a problem as is made out is as disingenuous as the "guns don't kill people -people kill people" argument put forward by the NRA.

the greater the speed -the shorter the reaction time -the greater the impact force and the higher the likelyhood of fatal injury. That's not opinion or spin -it's mathematics.

If you slow down you are less likely to be involved in an automobile accident -and even if you are then involved in one -it'll most likely have been the other vehicles fault -and guess what -they'll most probably have been driving at excessive speed.

personnally I wouldn't spend another penny on our roads. I'd put the money to better use getting motorists and their motors off the roads in the first place. that means investing in and subsidising a comprehensive and (crucially) cheap public transport sysyem.

Do I think this government will do anything towards that end. will they fcuk.

[Xlex]

Full licenced drivers can be poor drivers too. Experts often refer to a driving career and I think that if you adopt a positive attitute and keep perfecting your skills on the road you will be successful. People can blame bad roads, speed, drink, being tired all the want. We as a nation still lack a certain attitude when it comes to driving.


I really feel for those two brothers family. I've experiance of a similar thing and the deaths of the two brothers have struck a particular nerve in our family.

[Colm]

If we're going to accept stupid statements as truth, with no critical examinations, I've got one for you: Drivers that don't keep up with traffic - which is in the rules of the road - cause accidents to occur on a regular basis, as people behind them get frustrated and take chances. Here's my slogan:

Slow Kills


That's actually a good point.
I find drivers who go excessively slow cause as much problems as drivers who go excessively fast.

There's nothing more infuriating on the road as people who crawl along like they have all the time in the world and don't give a sh!t if the rest of us are making time or not. Fcuking ignorance is all it is.

[pete]

"Speed" is not the sore cause of accident but Inappropriate Speed almost certainly is. Some people will say 100kph is fast but it isn't on a motorway whereas would be on city street.

The NRA are spoofers & clueless. No barriers on central medians, poles & other targets at the sides of the round with no barriers in front of them, generall poor design & inconsistencies of even new roads.

I'm afriad the gardai are not much better. They are poor equiped, apparently very few trained in how to acces accidents, rarely pull people over for dangerous driving but quick to hide behind hedge & get you on safest raod in the country.

I've heard that state troopers in the US rarely pull people over for breaking speed limit as they look more for bad driving, changing lanes etc...

Road & driving policy is 100% the fault of politicans even accepting people must take personal; responsibility!

[holidaysong]

To just say something like 'get provisional drivers' off the road is dumb.. How are they going to learn to drive in the first place if there is no provisional licence system.. They do need a full licenced driver in the car beside them also.

The problem is people are not being turned from provisional licence to full licence fast enough as the queue's are unreal!

And as for insurance prices that is another day's rant...

[Éanna]

While I agree that bad drivers is a huge contributing factor to road deaths,its a bit naive to state that speed dose'nt kill.
Not so. Think about it- in Germany you can do any speed you want on the Autobahn, because the roads are good and the drivers are good. Its all about appropriate driving- a good driver knows what speed to do based on the conditions (road, weather, traffic etc).

Pick any road you want in this country, and then get several people to drive at the same speed on it- I guarantee you some of them would be more likely to crash than others, because they aren't good drivers. Obviously there has to be some rule, you can't just say "oh he's a good driver, let him do whatever speed he wants" but its the drivers that are ultimately responsible.

e.g. when I was living in Limerick for college, I got lifts up from Cork from a number of people I knew. One girl who I used to get lifts from occasionally NEVER broke the speed limit, yet came closer to crashing more than any of the other people I travelled with, all of whom broke the speed limit- why? Because she didn't concentrate properly and she wasn't a good driver. Still passed her test though :rolleyes:

[Dricky]

Any country that lets you do a driving test, fail it and then drive home has to be considered a joke.

Teach people how to drive not teach them how to pass a test, we do it in school in and in driving, doesn't matter as long as there is no failing..... mad

Most European countries make you sit a second part of the course 6 months afer, where the teach you breaking distances, how to control a skid different road conditions etc, all of these they teach you and then make you do them as well, none of it is in a class room it is done as a practical lesson.

Learn to Drive pass the test and be aware of others not too much to ask.

[dahamsta]

(pete, he's talking about the National Rifle Association, not the National Roads Authority. (See NRA Disambiguation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nra).) Although I can't argue with the assertion that they're clueless. "Criminal" would be the word I'd use though.)


Arguing that excessive speed isn't as big a problem as is made out is as disingenuous as the "guns don't kill people -people kill people" argument put forward by the NRA.Which is the standard response to my argument. Here's my standard response to your standard response:

Yes, the risk is higher, but that does not equal "speed kills". It means "the risk is higher". The Speed Kills campaign is pure, unadulterated sensationalism and FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD) popularised by marketroids and swallowed whole by the gullible.

adam

[Éanna]

To just say something like 'get provisional drivers' off the road is dumb.. How are they going to learn to drive in the first place if there is no provisional licence system.. They do need a full licenced driver in the car beside them also.

The problem is people are not being turned from provisional licence to full licence fast enough as the queue's are unreal!

And as for insurance prices that is another day's rant...
How are they going to learn? Same as in other countries- by doing lessons with a qualified instructor, and then doing the test. As for needing a licenced driver in the car with them- thats all well and good in theory, but we all know it doesn't happen. I waited 13 months for my test, needed to get to work, so I drove on my own- never stopped.

I agree 100% that the waiting lists are the real problem, but thats no excuse for having unqualified drivers on the road. Insurance prices are a joke, but have come down a lot in the last 2 years in fairness

Any country that lets you do a driving test, fail it and then drive home has to be considered a joke.

Teach people how to drive not teach them how to pass a test, we do it in school in and in driving, doesn't matter as long as there is no failing..... mad

Most European countries make you sit a second part of the course 6 months afer, where the teach you breaking distances, how to control a skid different road conditions etc, all of these they teach you and then make you do them as well, none of it is in a class room it is done as a practical lesson.

Learn to Drive pass the test and be aware of others not too much to ask.
that just about sums it up. Hard to blame the drivers themselves- they're not breaking the law, its the law that's wrong.

[Jim Smith]

As someone who does most of his travelling on a bicycle (just learning to drive at 39!) let me tell you that some of the most ignorant, dangerous gob*****s that are on the roads are not learners. Its a lack of consideration for / awareness of others that is the mark of a really bad driver (IMHO) and a culture of jumping/rushing lights which is the primary danger in the city. These are hardly traits confined to learners. Its easier/more popular to run a "speed kills" campaign than to say "there are too many inconsiderate/bad drivers out there - and you are probably one of them".
People need to be pulled-up and fined for bad driving - hit people in their pockets and they might change their ways.

A a rule of thumb I try to avoid people who drive in hats - boy racers and senile old people are bad news...

[dcfcsteve]

The North offers interesting parallels on Road Safety. The accident rate in the Six Counties has been a lot lower than the South for as long as I can remember, even though it's roughly the same type of people driving on both sides of the border (i.e. no great 'cultural' difference in driving).

This leads me to conclude that 2 key factors may be at play :

1) State of roads
Roads in the North have always been far superior to those in the south. Increasingly less so as time goes on, but still better IMO even now. Much more motorways, few (if any) potholes; few of the windy, twisty country roads that every county down south seems to be plagued with.

2) Driver training.
Southern drivers have always had a very bad rep up North for driving like maniacs. I'm not sure how much of that was just northern smugness/anti-southern attitudes, but even in a town like Derry - with no anti-southern axe to grind - drivers from the Republic have had a bad rep for as long as I can remember. The north has none of this 'drive whilst a learner' nonesense, and no big queue for driving tests. I'd also suggest that the pre-license training drivers have to receive in the North could well be better than in the south - hence having an impact on people's road behaviour (though as I never learnt to drive down south, I can't really judge).

In reality, there won't be one single reason why the south has had such an atrocious road safety record for years. But the fact that the same set of people on different sides of a political border produce such widely differing road safety stats suggests the above 2 issues may lie somewhere at the source of the problem.

[Schumi]

Southern drivers have always had a very bad rep up North for driving like maniacs.
In fairness, the opposite attitude holds here. People are always moaninng about Northern drivers driving at crazy speeds when they come over the border.

[SÓC]

The thing that really gets me is how people just cant follow the basic simple rules and then cause fcuk ups.

Roundabout like, they're not difficult yet every time I go through the Kinsale, Sarsfiled and Wilton ones there is ALWAYS someone on them who just doesnt have a clue how they work and what lane they should be in.

[Closed Account 2]

Dont forget drink can be a big factor, people have a few drinks get into their car and then their judgement goes wrong. They cant keep track of what speed they are doing and their ability to judge distance goes wrong too. Same with drugs

[Gareth]

Ok I went out last night to drive from my house to my girlfriend. I got to the Navan Road and just came off the motorway and a car, a souped up Mini, tore around the roundabout and came onto the road and as I looked in my rear mirrors, the driver must of reached over 100 miles an hour and overtook me IN THE HARD SHOULDER. They tore down the road causing plenty of cars to swirve. Now sorry for cursing, that driver is a f*cking idiot. Clear and simple and as much as I couldn't care if they died, they could take out an innocent.

On the same trip, I had cars up my ass on country roads when I was doing the speed limit. People fail to realise you need "braking distance". Brakes don't stop cars they slow them down and when a car is up your ass, and you need to brake suddenly, there will be one outcome. They will go flat into the back of you.

People are pure irresponsible and think they are super drivers as they cruise round at crazy speeds. It takes an accident to cop them on, if they survive it. Its not educating people to drive thats the problem, its educating people to think!!!

[Gareth]

Drink limit should be zero. Pure and simple. If I can prove ONE person is affected on judgement by having a glass of beer then that is enough in my eyes to have a limit of zero. I could be a 20 stone heavy drinker who says they could drink 10 pints and still be unaffected, so what!! Its not about the individual, its about a nationally enforced rule and if an 18 year old having his first pint of beer gets hammered on it, he would be still under the legal limit to drive. Add to that diet during the day and tiredness levels and drink can effect you in small amounts. Does anyone agree limits should be Zero?

[dcfcsteve]

Drink limit should be zero. Pure and simple. If I can prove ONE person is affected on judgement by having a glass of beer then that is enough in my eyes to have a limit of zero. I could be a 20 stone heavy drinker who says they could drink 10 pints and still be unaffected, so what!! Its not about the individual, its about a nationally enforced rule and if an 18 year old having his first pint of beer gets hammered on it, he would be still under the legal limit to drive. Add to that diet during the day and tiredness levels and drink can effect you in small amounts. Does anyone agree limits should be Zero?

Wouldn't work in a country like Ireland where large chunks of the population are in rural areas. It was tried before with the limit that made it just less than one pint, and every farmer in Ireland was up in arms.

In many rural parts of Ireland, the only social facility available is the pub, and there are no taxis or public transport. Why begrudge isolated farmers, after a hard day on the land, of their only pleasure in life - driving to the pub for a pint - and their only way of meeting people during their busy work periods ? The vast majority of people abide by drink-driving rules (or at least don't break them to any significant degree), and as far as I'm aware drink is not to blame in more than a small number of accidents here. The law should therefore not disadvantage those ordinary decent people as a draconian way of stopping the stubborn/regular drink-drivers. Sledgehammers to crack nuts, and all that....

[Gareth]

Organise a couple of farmers to pick each other up!! Car pool!! Plus I think we should have way more speed cameras. On most roads.

[Éanna]

Its a lack of consideration for / awareness of others that is the mark of a really bad driver
Absolutely spot on there. You can drive at speed (even over the speed limit) IF you are aware of what is going on around you, and drive safely. Its when people pay little or no attention, or just don't care what goes on- thats when things get angry.

As for boy racers- if people want to drive race cars, why can't they do it on a ****ing race track? :rolleyes:

[pete]

[start rant]


(pete, he's talking about the National Rifle Association, not the National Roads Authority. (See NRA Disambiguation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nra).) Although I can't argue with the assertion that they're clueless. "Criminal" would be the word I'd use though.)


I wouldn't disagree with you there. I always bring up the crash barriers issue cos it was the most ludicrous of the NRA "policies". They defended it for years (as i said turned out to be absed on old US studies) & now suddenly they retro fitting motorways with the wire cables. Any notice that watergrasshill dualcarraigeway was never retro fitted with any barriers? Can any answer that one? :rolleyes:

Question:
Whats the difference between a motorway & motorway-like dualcarraigeway in this country? I;m sure most people can think of a 2 lane road with exit & on ramps that is classified as a dualcarraigeway. Why? :confused:
In the Uk basically 2 lanes = dualcarraigeway, 3 = motorway.

Saw big of de Minister fer State on prime Time tonight. He was asked if he considered sate of irisg trucks a crises after the Uk said irish trucks the worst on their roads. He said irish trucks are tested like NCT & believed "UK were overstating issue" He thoiught that tests may not be very good or anything.

[pause rant]

[Éanna]

Question:
Whats the difference between a motorway & motorway-like dualcarraigeway in this country? I;m sure most people can think of a 2 lane road with exit & on ramps that is classified as a dualcarraigeway. Why? :confused:
In the Uk basically 2 lanes = dualcarraigeway, 3 = motorway.

AFAIK, it has something to do with the length of road- i.e. it has to be a certain minimum number of miles/kms of dual cariageway without any breaks (e.g. roundabouts) before it can be classified a motorway- I think its an EU thing :rolleyes:

[Macy]

Should be noted that the speed limit on a UK dual carriageway is 70mph, same as a motorway, where national speed limit applies.

The focus on speed is convenient to cover the revenue collected by fish in a barrell speed trap tatics by the guards. I haven't seen one speed check in the 18 months I've been commuting the 25 miles into dublin on the most dangerous stretch of road. I've seen plenty on the motorway and various dual carriageways (3 or 4 a week), but not one on the single carriageway country roads (that includes a point where people go over a ditch every couple of months on a bad bend).

Jim, lest we lay the blame at current provisional licence holders, I would also add in the people who got licences through the various "amnesty's" that were used to clear the test lists in the past....

[Jim Smith]

Jim, lest we lay the blame at current provisional licence holders, I would also add in the people who got licences through the various "amnesty's" that were used to clear the test lists in the past....
The amnesties were a crazy idea right enough.
An even crazier story is that years ago a friend of mine was going to the States and thought she better get another form of ID other than her passport so she got a provisional license - she had never set foot in a car as a driver. On getting there she was advised to convert her provisional license to a US one. Now a provisional license there apparently meant that you could drive provided you were you glasses - you get some sort of code here on your license - so they exchanged her Irish provisional license for a full US one. On returning here she then exchanged the US license for a full Irish one. Net result was someone with a full license who had never sat behind the wheel of a car in her life :eek:

[Green Tribe]

The North offers interesting parallels on Road Safety. The accident rate in the Six Counties has been a lot lower than the South for as long as I can remember, even though it's roughly the same type of people driving on both sides of the border (i.e. no great 'cultural' difference in driving).

This leads me to conclude that 2 key factors may be at play :

1) State of roads
Roads in the North have always been far superior to those in the south. Increasingly less so as time goes on, but still better IMO even now. Much more motorways, few (if any) potholes; few of the windy, twisty country roads that every county down south seems to be plagued with.

2) Driver training.
Southern drivers have always had a very bad rep up North for driving like maniacs. I'm not sure how much of that was just northern smugness/anti-southern attitudes, but even in a town like Derry - with no anti-southern axe to grind - drivers from the Republic have had a bad rep for as long as I can remember. The north has none of this 'drive whilst a learner' nonesense, and no big queue for driving tests. I'd also suggest that the pre-license training drivers have to receive in the North could well be better than in the south - hence having an impact on people's road behaviour (though as I never learnt to drive down south, I can't really judge).

In reality, there won't be one single reason why the south has had such an atrocious road safety record for years. But the fact that the same set of people on different sides of a political border produce such widely differing road safety stats suggests the above 2 issues may lie somewhere at the source of the problem.

steve is right, we had the same in fermanagh and tyrone, the south always had a bad reputation for bad drivers, fast and crazy, i used to sh!t myself going to Dublin airport /Dublin on many occasions. Nutters overtaking at any given moment, however being in Poland a couple of times recently makes Ireland look safe, there, they overtake when a car is coming in the opposite direction and u are expected to move into the hard shoulder to let the car pass all the time!!! SImilar things between these countries, bad roads! few motorways = people always in a hurry. Leave earlier!!!! :mad:

[Lionel Ritchie]

Leave earlier!!!! :mad:

Best bit of advice on here yet.

It's ironic that both northern and southern drivers view each other as bad or dangerous drivers.
There's another very important north south comparison and contrast that neatly puts to the sword the myth that our roads are responsible for high fatalities here.
Any time roads in the south are compared with the north I've heard people conclude that the norths roads on their own make a stong case for maintaining the Union.

Yet we are chucking people out through the windscreen of existence pro-rata between the two jurisdictions.

[FarBeag]

Quote by Garret.....Plus I think we should have way more speed cameras. On most roads.

Speed cameras are ok but can cause problems too.Most people know where they are because legally they have to be visable,therefore they slow down and then speed up afterwards.The ones that are not aware where they are or don't see them until the last second brake quickly and this can be so dangerous.I have to agree with a lot of the comments here.Speed kills ,of course it does but not so much so if the roads are good and the driver is able to drive first and foremost.There is nothing as bad as someone driving 30 mph on a speed limit of 70 mph on a bad road.Even the best of drivers take chances here due to frustration so the biggest killer are the bad roads,the boy racers and the drunkards.There shouild be more sleeping policemen in the built up areas.

[drummerboy]

I think most road deaths in Ireland are on rural country roads and mostly in the small hours of the morning. There seems to be a culture of bravado out there, there always has been. The unfortunate victims of the accident on the NCR were all from the midlands, one of them had appeared in court on Monday and Tuesday for dangerous driving and having no insurance. The Gardai will have to be more proactive. We all know they will set up speed traps just outside towns or main streets instead of being out there where accidents are likely to happen.

[Dricky]

I think most road deaths in Ireland are on rural country roads and mostly in the small hours of the morning. There seems to be a culture of bravado out there, there always has been. The unfortunate victims of the accident on the NCR were all from the midlands, one of them had appeared in court on Monday and Tuesday for dangerous driving and having no insurance. The Gardai will have to be more proactive. We all know they will set up speed traps just outside towns or main streets instead of being out there where accidents are likely to happen.

It is true that most do happen in the dead of night but 50% of people killed when two cars collied are inocent drivers hit by someone else. Look at the car on the NCR the driver survied didn't he, his passangers were killed.

It is a vote killer so no party want to do it.

[dcfcsteve]

It's ironic that both northern and southern drivers view each other as bad or dangerous drivers.

And everyone thinks they've got the most beautiful wife/girlfriend... :)

Yet the difference in road safety stats gives a pretty definitive view on the relative ability of drivers on this island...... :D

[Green Tribe]

And everyone thinks they've got the most beautiful wife/girlfriend... :)

Yet the difference in road safety stats gives a pretty definitive view on the relative ability of drivers on this island...... :D


aye! i agree but i'm not biased....... ;) :D

[holidaysong]

In fairness, the opposite attitude holds here. People are always moaninng about Northern drivers driving at crazy speeds when they come over the border.

County Louth is higest insurance prices in the country due to Northerners putting the foot down when they cross the border.. The Gardaí can't do anything such as a fine/penalty points to a northerner if they stop him/her for speeding!

[pete]

Motorists in NI drivers are better drivers but don't know if safer. They have better cars & smoother roads although roads are often narrow compared with wide bumpy roads in the ROL.

Provisional drivers shouldn't be allowed out at night - i think R plate drivers are in that category in NI?

If we can't clear the backlog of provisional drivers then we should liomoited them to smaller cars.

I have little sympathy for guys who dies in NCR as clearly thier own fault.

[Éanna]

NCR
:confused: meaning?

[Ringo]

:confused: meaning?
North Circular Road

[Ringo]

It is true that most do happen in the dead of night but 50% of people killed when two cars collied are inocent drivers hit by someone else. Look at the car on the NCR the driver survied didn't he, his passangers were killed.

It is a vote killer so no party want to do it.

My understanding was that the guy that survied had been banned, but was not the driver. It throws a different slant on it. It suited the newspapers to use his banning to make a story.