Murphy has go at Cork City supporters

[Neil]

from Irish Times (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2002/0225/3569298403SPS2SOCSHELS.html) >

...Cork's poor run led to chants calling for the resignation of the manager from a section of the fans.

Murphy was quick to respond: "Those people do not understand football. I took over last season after we had taken a hiding from St Pat's and you saw in the past eight days we were unlucky to lose to Pat's 2-3 and we made it very difficult for Shels today. I don't pay any attention to those people."

[James]

:mad: fcuking ******* murphy

i know nothing about football eh
..muphy sounds like a bitter bitter man that knows the end is nigh and is lashing out at everyone..

murphy...we pay albeit indirectly ..we the fans pay your wages..i wouldnt in your unstable position as manager of our club go around insulting the loyal supporters of Cork City Football Club

you want to know where the problem lies..look in the mirror..the answer is alot closer to home then you make out..

now get this man as far away from CCFC before i get home..
:mad:

[Ruairi]

Originally posted by Neil

... I don't pay any attention to those people."

I think that's brilliant, absolutely BRILLIANT! He doesn't pay any attention to those people. For your information, Liam, those people are the fans. They pay your wages. The fact you don't listen to those people just goes to show that you don't have a clue, you ignorant bastid. If it wasn't for those people, you wouldn't have a job to do. Git.

[joe]

speaking of mirrors, here's what he said in today's one:


I don't care what they say about me. I have given everything to the club. I suffered an horrendous injury for the club. I don't think they know much about football.

and the examiner


These people know nothing of football. When I took over we had just been hammered by St. Pat’s – in the past week we were unlucky to lose to Pat’s 2-3 and we ran Shelbourne very close. We had chances to win it today again, while we are creating chances I won’t worry, it is just that some players are short of confidence.

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Ruairi
For your information, Liam, those people are the fans.

I don't agree with you Joe.
"Those people" are only a section of the fans.
I'm a fan and couldn't be included in this category.
I know my mother always said that I'm special but I doubt that I'm alone in this. Most clubs don't rely too heavily on the gate receipts to pay the wages. Heaven help any club who does.
Murphy is in there to do a job, not any of us no matter how much we think we know about football. At least he's not a quitter.
If we had one quality player with experience next to O'Grady in the centre of the park we could have very different results. The inexperience of CP is telling in the amount of times he gets caught offside. He and some other players have confidence problems and the home crowd clearly aren't helping them.
Turners Cross is a fortress once again.
Except now it's the home side who are intimidated not the visitors. It's embarrassing.

[joe]

Originally posted by Peadar
I don't agree with you Joe.
I think you've got you wires crossed there, but anyway :D

Most clubs don't rely too heavily on the gate receipts to pay the wages. Heaven help any club who does.
unfortunately ours does, but that's a whole other issue

Except now it's the home side who are intimidated not the visitors. It's embarrassing.
yes very embarrassing

contrary to what some people may think, i have never called for murphy to go and at the moment my biggest 'problem' with him is that he has turned to criticising fans, when he won't even meet supporters face-to-face at a supporters club meeting

[Peadar]

Originally posted by joe

I think you've got you wires crossed there, but anyway :D

Yes indeed Joe, it's Ruairi I don't agree with.
I do agree with you however Joe, having a go at the fans is a bit like throwing the coin back after it hit's you on the head.
It's widely believed that two wrongs don't make a right.

[joe]

Originally posted by Peadar

It's widely believed that two wrongs don't make a right.

unless you're an eL referee that is :D

[Casegrande]

Originally posted by joe
These people know nothing of football.
What a fu€kin' to$ser! That's the final straw really. Asking for patiece is one thing, but calling the supporters idiots is another.

Get the Bastad OUT now!

[Casegrande]

Originally posted by Peadar
"Those people" are only a section of the fans.
I'm a fan and couldn't be included in this category.
Oh, you're one of the good people who does understand football and is firmly behind Liam Murphy and the clique no matter what. You clap and smile even when we're losing embarassingly at home every week and you're a model supporter. Yeah, that's a lot use to OUR club. Fair play to ya boy!

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Casegrande
What a fu€kin' to$ser! That's the final straw really. Asking for patiece is one thing, but calling the supporters idiots is another.

Get the Bastad OUT now!

You claim that a general statement by Murphy is calling you an idiot but your retort is to call him a "fu€kin' to$ser" and a "Bastad". Boy some people who are quick to give stick, can be very slow to take it.

Ye want Hartigan out because he's "Crap", so out he goes and we lose all our games.
Ye want Colin 1 back because he's great, so back he comes, get's into the team but still looks dodgy.
Do you really think that all the "Murphy Out" brigade know anything about football?
You'd have to wonder about many of them.

[Casegrande]

Originally posted by Peadar
Do you really think that all the "Murphy Out" brigade know anything about football?
You'd have to wonder about many of them.
So you are basically agreeing with Liam Murphy here, saying that the 5/600 people who were calling for 'changes' at the game yesterday don't matter a damn. Who the **** made you more important and intelligent than the 75% of yesterdays crowd who were calling for change.

By the way, there was more chants than just 'Murphy Out'. ie. 'Sack the Board'. Which I believe would be suited more to the situation we are in now. They are the tax-dodgin bastads who are using OUR club as a little hobby and money-earner. Stand up and be counted Noel O'Mahoney - you ****in' cowboy. Where's our money gone Terry Dunne?

You might be content to carry on as is Peadar, but I'm sick of it. I know you've a lot of buddies in the club and you are obviously going to stick up for them but sometimes you have look at the bigger picture.

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Casegrande
You clap and smile even when we're losing embarassingly at home every week and you're a model supporter. !

I was almost angry reading your post but then I realised that I'd be stooping to your level of crassness if like you I composed my postings using course language.

I have been at very few games where I've been embarrassed to see Cork City lose. Defeat is part of the game. I have however often been embarrassed by the performance of some elements of the "supporters". It bothers me as much as anyone to see my team lose but my way of dealing with this is to sit back and think through each passage of play to try and pinpoint our failings. I don't jump on the bandwagon and call for the removal of the manager from his position. There are many things wrong with the club not just on the field but I doubt any league of Ireland manager could resolve them in a matter of months.
I don't always agree with Liam Murphy's decisions but at the end of the day he has to live with those decisions. It's very easy to watch a game and say how you'd do this and that when there will be no implications to what you've decided.

If you can't relpy in a civil manner don't expect me to contribute any further to this discussion.

[Casegrande]

You didn't answer my question. How come you (like Liam Murphy) have the right to disregard a huge percentage of Cork City supporters who pay their hard earned money and use their valuable time supporting their team? And it is their team.

Would Liam Murphy prefer if we didn't go to Galway on Friday to follow OUR team? After all we don't really understand football. He won't last long taking swipes at the supporters.

[joe]

"I don't care what they say and they obviously don't know much about football.

I gave so much to this club as a player and got a serious injury in doing so.

I cannot fault the players but I cannot be blamed if we are not scoring. We did everything but find the net."

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Casegrande
You didn't answer my question. How come you (like Liam Murphy) have the right to disregard a huge percentage of Cork City supporters

I never claimed to have any right with regard to this issue.
I did however ask what makes you think that a "huge percentage" of the Cork City "supporters" know much about football. If you could firstly answer my question then I'll attempt to answer yours.



Originally posted by Casegrande
And it is their team.

Technically it's not "their" team.
People chose to support the club.
If a reciever was appointed to the club tomorrow they wouldn't be looking for a list of people who pay into the ground so as the hold them responsible for the liquidation of the club.

[Casegrande]

Originally posted by joe
"I don't care what they say and they obviously don't know much about football.

That is unbelievable! I still can't believe he's got such a brass neck to say something like that!


I gave so much to this club as a player and got a serious injury in doing so.

So, it's pay-back time is it? That's almost what it sounds like. "I have a serious injury because of them *******s".


I cannot fault the players but I cannot be blamed if we are not scoring. We did everything but find the net."

Yes you can be blamed Mr. Murphy! And he says WE know nothing about football. This is laughable!

Liam, you obviously missed some of the classes on your UEFA Grade A course! So here we go... You are the manager. You decide on tactics, team, and formation. Jimmy Mull is not a bad player. Stop blaming him for bad results. Jimmy Mull wants you out as much as the rest of us. Why? Because YOU are the one who tells you're players to hoof the ball up the pitch and hope for the best. This does NOT suit Jimmy Mull. Neither does it suit CPOB or Morley. These are all good players who cannot operate with your prehistoric tactics. Put Christian Vieri in there yesterday and he'd have struggled. **** it it's not worth it!

[Casegrande]

Originally posted by Peadar
what makes you think that a "huge percentage" of the Cork City "supporters" know much about football.

Why do you put supporters in inverted commas? So, they are not real supporters if they don't tow the line and be 100% behind Liam Murphy? Cork City supporters know bad football when they see it. A blind man could see that Liam Murphy does not have the skills to do a job for us. He has Plan A and that's it. The only attempt of Plan B that I've seen is the 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation with Ollie in the middle, but it continuously fails. When people like Ant Buckley, Jimmy Mulligan and Mick Devine complain about the tactics, I think it's fair to say that a lot of the "supporters" you refer to may be right in their assessment.


Originally posted by Peadar
Technically it's not "their" team.
People chose to support the club.
If a reciever was appointed to the club tomorrow they wouldn't be looking for a list of people who pay into the ground so as the hold them responsible for the liquidation of the club.
If you want to be technical, fair enough! The thing is, if City went into liquidation, the Board would just go off and find another toy to play with. But it would break a lot of supporters hearts if their club folded. That is the difference Peadar.

[dahamsta]

Be honest with ya, I can understand Murphy's anger, and he's probably being quoted out of context on the fans bit, but this:

I cannot be blamed if we are not scoring.

That's just a crassly stupid remark. Idiotic. No manager should ever make comments like that. As to the other remarks, no manager should put himself in a position where he /can/ be quoted out of context.

I'm amazed he's lasted this long tbh. I know I shouldn't come back to it, again, but Mountfield would have been out on his arse an age ago if he's performed like this, on or off the pitch.

adam

[Neil]

Originally posted by Vetinari
Mountfield would have been out on his arse an age ago if he's performed like this, on or off the pitch.
It's all about the 'clique' that exists in the club. It's a huge problem that could inevitably lead to the downfall of the entire club.
Talking to the media is another area where Liam Murphy proves that he just aint up to it. He's a bitter man ("I gave so much to this club as a player and got a serious injury in doing so") who is not big enough to admit he can't do the job. And he'd rather take the club to it's knees than resign.

Cheers Liam.

[Peadar]

Shels played 451 yesterday and since they've got a more experienced midfield than us to try and go through them would have been futile. The long ball is often necessary when a team comes and tries to clog up the midfield. Against Set Peice Ath. we didn't rely on the long ball because they played a more open game and used the wings to attack.
We're not like the European Super Clubs who have the luxury of a squad rotation system. When you have a team of what you consider to be the best players for your tactics you need them to be able to play a different type of game when the need arises.
You can have from plan A all the way down to plan Z but they're worth nothing if you don't have the players.

I do think that Liam should avoid the press though.

[joe]

Originally posted by Peadar
I do think that Liam should avoid the press though.

IMHO avoiding issues gets nothing done, in gfootball or in life. It is beter to have things out in the open and up for discussion rather than creating the impression of a behind-closed-doors, secret society-type secnario.

[Peadar]

Originally posted by joe
It is beter to have things out in the open and up for discussion rather than creating the impression of a behind-closed-doors, secret society-type secnario.

That's not what I meant, I just think that the club should have someone more equipped to deal with the press answering questions and giving statements.
When a manager is annoyed after losing a game it's the worst time to speak to the press.

[joe]

Originally posted by Peadar


That's not what I meant, I just think that the club should have someone more equipped to deal with the press answering questions and giving statements.
When a manager is annoyed after losing a game it's the worst time to speak to the press.

fair enough, but it looks like everyone in the club is running for cover these days :D

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Peadar



If we had one quality player with experience next to O'Grady in the centre of the park we could have very different results. The inexperience of CP is telling in the amount of times he gets caught offside. ...................................
Except now it's the home side who are intimidated not the visitors. It's embarrassing.
agree with you 100% Peadar. BUT:
Did flanagan and herrick not have experience?! Who sold them? Ans: Liam Murphy.
Why is CP playing so much if he makes so many mistakes? Who has O'Flynn and Welch down in th u-21's? Ans: Liam Murphy.

He has to start taking some of the blame for this!

[James]

Originally posted by Peadar

I just think that the club should have someone more equipped to deal with the press answering questions and giving statements.


we did wasnt that the role of Greg Cantillon...and who got rid of him..the board..

This club is a fcuking mess :mad:

[Éanna]

If a manager in Italy or Spain came out with the likes of that, he'd have his car stoned or worse. Liam murphy is a very lucky man that he's at a club whose fans have put up with so much crap without losing it completely. There are very few fans in the world who would put up with this. WE pay his wages, whether he likes it or not- without us there would be no Cork City and he should bare that in mind the next time he wants to go abusing people like that.
Also, he could have some balls and go to a supporters club meeting to face (some of) these critics instead of mouthing off in the press. Or he could even write something in the programme telling us his plans.
If he could actually convince me that he has plans for City and detail, I mightn't be so hostile.

Also, if he gets sacked he could go work as a liquidator, because he's doing a bloody good job of stripping cork city FC of it's assets: experienced players flogged at knock-down prices, customers/fans isolated and abused to the point of no return.............

AND to think Derek Mountfield got sacked cos someone stabbed him in the back- what a joke :mad:

[James]

ok lets not turn this into a Dereck MOuntfield crusade Eanna..

irrespective of whatever hapened to DM..gunther is doing a **** poor job..and deserves to go... he's had his chance and he blew it..

[Éanna]

not gonna turn it into that. just putting things into perspective. i'm on record as saying that the DM issue is history. my only point is that you have to be consistent-why is ok for one manager to get sacked and another not, when there are remarkable similarities in performances results etc.,

[Neil]

It's interesting though that Mountfield was sacked for three bad results (losing to Longford in the Cup, then Rovers and Pats), while Gunther has now lost 3 on the trot (including a loss to Limerick) and scored 1 goal at home since Christmas, aswell as being dumped out of the Cup long ago.

[Gary]

Well, Murphy (crybaby), has finally cracked. If he had any confidence in HIMSELF, he would not go shouting about the fans being idiots and knowing nowt about football. If he had any confidence in himself he would apportion some of the balme on himself. He has blamed the fans, the players, every referee in the country and god knows who else for such pish results.

Peadar. While your unwavering support is admirable, I just really think you are wearing rose tinted specs man.

Heres an idea!

Peadar for CCFC Press Officer! :D :D

[Gary]

And another thing.

He is damn lucky that the City supporters arent scum. Just look at what Pete Mahon had to go through with Bohs while they were having their rough patch. He is getting away with it lightly as there are no 'real' personal vendettas in this situation.


MURPHY OUT!!!!!

[goalside]

murphy was wrong. full stop. however he's new in the job so he will make mistakes now and again. no need to go on and on and on about it.

[James]

Originally posted by goalside
murphy was wrong. full stop. however he's new in the job so he will make mistakes now and again. no need to go on and on and on about it.

he's new in his job.. what the fook are you smoking goalside..them an has been manager for over a year and was Assistant manager for years before that to dave barry..

hell if i was in my job for a year and working as poorly as he was .. i know for a fact i'd be fired....and you certainly wouldnt hear people say ahh sure he's got his degree and whatever qualifications so he must be doing good..

,murphy has a UEFA coaching badge and thats doing him fcuk all good cause he's making the same shagging mistakes over and over again...

when is the penny oging to drop with you muppets :D

he's in a new job tempted to move htis whole sorry mess into the humour section..cause everyone outside cork city must be getting a right old laugh at the debacle we're in ...

its a case of the blind leading the blind..with some of you lot of murphy fans...maybe thats the problem :D

[goalside]

there you go again attcacking murphy. its time to stop and give the man a break. he is new to the job so give him time to settle in

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Éanna
If a manager in Italy or Spain came out with the likes of that, he'd have his car stoned or worse.

You really are an idiot Eanna.
To think I actually defended you on occasion.
You should be left in Germany for life, out of harms way.

[dahamsta]

there you go again attcacking murphy. its time to stop and give the man a break. he is new to the job so give him time to settle in

How long exactly does he need to "settle in" goalside? Put a date on it please, I'm fascinated.

adam

[Neil]

Originally posted by Peadar
You really are an idiot Eanna.
To think I actually defended you on occasion.
You should be left in Germany for life, out of harms way.
There is no need for that kind of an attack. I'd expect more out of you Peadar. You did after all say earlier in this post:

"I'd be stooping to your level of crassness if like you I composed my postings using course language. If you can't relpy in a civil manner don't expect me to contribute any further to this discussion."

You're defence of the Cork City FC clique knows no bounds.

[James]

alright lads settle down ok..
I know both of ye and its obvious to me that both of ye love the club, as we all do here, so lets leave it at that..

its very easy to get caught up argueing with other supporters who have differing views.. but we should be united in supporting Cork City Football Club at the moment, and supporting whats good for Cork City Football Club..

so I call on everyone .. to unite behind the Murphy Out campagin and save our club.. :D

[Gary]

Originally posted by Peadar
You really are an idiot Eanna.
To think I actually defended you on occasion.
You should be left in Germany for life, out of harms way.

Why did you call him an idiot and not me. i said something similar. And what he said was right, but i cant, for a second, see that he, or anyone else would actually do such a scummy act. Point was, IF A spanish manager said something like that, something bad would probably happen.

[James]

actually GWA thats a good point.. no way does Eanna support that kind of thing.. indeed he is the first one in hte shed that would tell someone to stop throwing something at players or if someone was being racist toward a player or something..

Eanna's point was.... transport the Murphy debacle to Spain or Italy .. and that is what would be happening.. or transport their kinda fans over here.. same diff..

Peadar.. i think you've been hanging out with your bohs friends too long.. :D

[Peadar]

Eanna was being irresponsible by posting that because it's open to interpretation and could lead people to believe that the contributors to this forum consider violence to be a legitimate form of protest.
GWA your post was on a different page and I hadn't read it.

I had the pleasure of talking to Pete Mahon a few times and found him to be a perfect gentleman. What happened to him and his family was disgusting and unwarranted.


This is begining to bore me.
Why don't we get Citygirl and Niamh to have a cat fight.
We need some halftime entertainment.

BTW Niamh, sorry Leeds were so crap on Sunday.

[Snatch]

Looks like things are getting very nasty around the Cross. Low attendences, no goals, fans shouting at manager, manager belittling fans.

Where is this all going to end? :(

Maybe if we all took some of Goalside's pills things mightn't seem so bad.

[Neil]

Originally posted by James
Eanna's point was.... transport the Murphy debacle to Spain or Italy .. and that is what would be happening..

Like this (http://www.ireland.com/sports/soccer/rowzview/focus/focus.htm).

[Neil]

onefootball.com (http://www.onefootball.com/index.phtml?page=fullstory&country_id=38&newsid=106042) sums it up nicely. What a ****!

[fonzi]

get out now murphy ya cont ya!

[patsh]

Dermot Keeley has defended LM, saying "Liam is doing a fantastic job." Keely also called the fans "empty heads"... LM welcomed Keeley back in the program....Maybe LM is going to $hels as well as Ollie... :p
I have to say it is terrible to hear fans booing their own team and manager, but is it any wonder? LM has not come up to scratch and is not doing a good job. I cannot remember ever going so long without a goal at home, Dec. 30th last year is a long time ago.........
LM has brought a lot of this sh*t on himself and his attitude to all supporters of this club is appalling. His whining about his contribution to the club has taken away any last little bit of respect I had for him........ :(

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Peadar


You really are an idiot Eanna.
To think I actually defended you on occasion.
You should be left in Germany for life, out of harms way. Peadar, you're over-reacting. I probably didn't phrase that too well, and for that I apologise BUT what i said is true. Look at what happened Mahon at Bohs, Anelka's car was stoned at Real madrid- all for far less!

i am not advocating any violence or intimidation of anybody, by anybody Just to make it clear

[pete]

Jeez 47 posts on this topic. No time to read all that. Anyone want to give me the highlights?

;)

[dahamsta]

"Murphy's crap, he should go."

"Murphy's new, he should stay."

That about sums it up.

adam