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sbgawa
04/03/2019, 12:13 PM
tonights attendance will be a big test , a cold rainy Monday in dublin.
If we get >2k i will be surprised.
Chance to go top if we win by 2 goals but losing at bohs and 0-0 with Dundalk will put off some casual supporters.
dejadem
04/03/2019, 3:25 PM
a reasonable attendance at our game last night- we reckon 676 attended the game. wasnt too many drogheda fans at it and I didnt hear any singing from them either. the bad weather conditions might have put people off I reckon!
Do Longford do a headcount at the gate for the attendance?
Cash at the turnstile with no ticket stubs, there didn't seem to be any turnstile management, just a guy taking cash.
Martinho II
04/03/2019, 5:15 PM
Do Longford do a headcount at the gate for the attendance?
Cash at the turnstile with no ticket stubs, there didn't seem to be any turnstile management, just a guy taking cash.
i was speaking to head steward after the game and he gave me that figure. you also have to take into a/c season ticket holders who went to match as well so that has to be allowed too.
dejadem
04/03/2019, 7:19 PM
i was speaking to head steward after the game and he gave me that figure. you also have to take into a/c season ticket holders who went to match as well so that has to be allowed too.
I wasn't questioning the number, the stand was well populated, it's how is the number calculated without ticket stubs or turnstile clicks.
ToberonaTornado
04/03/2019, 8:49 PM
he's got this wrong,right?
1582 Shamrock Rovers v Harps.
https://twitter.com/YeSecondPost/status/1102686162697838593
nigel-harps1954
04/03/2019, 8:58 PM
Another good away crowd from Harps. Two Monday trips to Dublin in a week.
marinobohs
04/03/2019, 9:13 PM
he's got this wrong,right?
1582 Shamrock Rovers v Harps.
https://twitter.com/YeSecondPost/status/1102686162697838593
That would be a very decent crowd for the night that's in it.
dundalkfc10
04/03/2019, 9:15 PM
That would be a very decent crowd for the night that's in it.
Decent? I’d expect them to have at least 1,000 season ticket holders
Pats who would be considered a much smaller club had 200 more last Mon V same team
sbgawa
04/03/2019, 9:30 PM
Lot of families amongst the season ticket holders and in general. School nights just don't work for us.
Having said that it looked like more.
Feckin freezing for those who made the effort
placid casual
04/03/2019, 9:49 PM
Theres about 1,500 season ticket holders at Rovers, so I'm told.
But unlike dundalk, where there is literally NOTHING else to do with your life, people have other commitments in Dublin and the surrounding areas where Rovers draw their fans.
good win on a cold night.
hopefully we can stay top of the league after next friday night game
ToberonaTornado
04/03/2019, 10:05 PM
Theres about 1,500 season ticket holders at Rovers, so I'm told.
But unlike dundalk, where there is literally NOTHING else to do with your life, people have other commitments in Dublin and the surrounding areas where Rovers draw their fans.
good win on a cold night.
hopefully we can stay top of the league after next friday night game
Stop being stupid will ya,there's always Dogging to be done in Drogheda - and like who's going wash all that green diesel that's out the back of the gaff. :p
Ezeikial
04/03/2019, 10:15 PM
Theres about 1,500 season ticket holders at Rovers, so I'm told.
But unlike dundalk, where there is literally NOTHING else to do with your life, people have other commitments in Dublin and the surrounding areas where Rovers draw their fans.
Brilliant
I think I'll book my summer holidays for Tallaght!
dundalkfc10
04/03/2019, 10:34 PM
Theres about 1,500 season ticket holders at Rovers, so I'm told.
But unlike dundalk, where there is literally NOTHING else to do with your life, people have other commitments in Dublin and the surrounding areas where Rovers draw their fans.
good win on a cold night.
hopefully we can stay top of the league after next friday night game
All I said was it was a poor crowd which has been mentioned plenty of times on Twitter
No need to lose your ****e cause you had a poor crowd on a monday
Charlie Darwin
04/03/2019, 10:38 PM
Decent? I’d expect them to have at least 1,000 season ticket holders
Pats who would be considered a much smaller club had 200 more last Mon V same team
Rovers only count tickets scanned as far as I know so that's the number that paid and went.
RathfarnhamHoop
04/03/2019, 11:15 PM
Decent? I’d expect them to have at least 1,000 season ticket holders
Pats who would be considered a much smaller club had 200 more last Mon V same team
What was it last Monday 17 degrees or something like that? Think it was around 7 today at most and ****ing rain constantly and around 3 during the match. That alone is a huge factor for attendance and that's before you add in that it's the 4th game in 10 days and the 3rd home game in that time with another derby to come on Friday. For people without season tickets that's a lot of money to be forking out in a short space of time on tickets alone.
Game should never have been organised for tonight, didn't suit any party but the FAI.
Nesta99
05/03/2019, 3:58 AM
Theres about 1,500 season ticket holders at Rovers, so I'm told.
But unlike dundalk, where there is literally NOTHING else to do with your life, people have other commitments in Dublin and the surrounding areas where Rovers draw their fans.
good win on a cold night.
hopefully we can stay top of the league after next friday night game
They should plant a lemon tree or two out in Roadstone for you PC, you would would be in good company all on your own looking after them, the fruit they bear might need some sweetening for you though!!
Nesta99
05/03/2019, 4:15 AM
What was it last Monday 17 degrees or something like that? Think it was around 7 today at most and ****ing rain constantly and around 3 during the match. That alone is a huge factor for attendance and that's before you add in that it's the 4th game in 10 days and the 3rd home game in that time with another derby to come on Friday. For people without season tickets that's a lot of money to be forking out in a short space of time on tickets alone.
Why isnt there a bleeding heart emoji? You must be relatively new to LoI RH and dont remember the winter seasons prior to 2002. January in Oriel, Bray, Galway, Harps among most (or all) other places. The sparkly new Tallaght Stadium must be a tad more comfortable than the open windswept spots around the league - there really is no pleasing some people, lobby the landlord for heated seats in the next new stand....:rolleyes:
Why so sensitive lads? It's an expected albeit average like gate on a Monday night that other clubs would go meh, not the worst considering!
It's disappointing to see Rovers drop under 2,000 already, but they've had 2 big, big crowds already. The overall trend seems to be moderately encouraging. It'd be interesting to see what attendance figures might be like if we had, say, 4 or 5 teams within half a dozen points until at least the last series.
redarmyfaction
05/03/2019, 8:20 AM
Brilliant
I think I'll book my summer holidays for Tallaght!
I have relations in it, it's a bleak spot all right, I'd rather be rolling counterfeit fags in Dundalk on a week night than reburying bodies in the Dublin mountains.
RathfarnhamHoop
05/03/2019, 8:59 AM
Why isnt there a bleeding heart emoji? You must be relatively new to LoI RH and dont remember the winter seasons prior to 2002. January in Oriel, Bray, Galway, Harps among most (or all) other places. The sparkly new Tallaght Stadium must be a tad more comfortable than the open windswept spots around the league - there really is no pleasing some people, lobby the landlord for heated seats in the next new stand....:rolleyes:
Why so sensitive lads? It's an expected albeit average like gate on a Monday night that other clubs would go meh, not the worst considering!
I don't know what winter in 2002 has to do with comparing two attendances for this season. If I was comparing it to a game from that era then yeah you'd have a point but I'm not so the fact that in comparison to the game I'm actually talking about it is baltic out is a valid reason for a low attendance. The 3rd home game in a week and a half with Dublin derby just passed and another in under a week is going to have a low attendance. Pats in comparison hadn't had a home game since opening day and don't have another until this Friday and it was gorgeous out, of course they'll get a decent crowd for a Monday night.
Really telling that most of the posts about Rovers' attendance are by dundalk fans... I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from that :rolleyes:
ToberonaTornado
05/03/2019, 9:06 AM
I don't know what winter in 2002 has to do with comparing two attendances for this season. If I was comparing it to a game from that era then yeah you'd have a point but I'm not so the fact that in comparison to the game I'm actually talking about it is baltic out is a valid reason for a low attendance. The 3rd home game in a week and a half with Dublin derby just passed and another in under a week is going to have a low attendance. Pats in comparison hadn't had a home game since opening day and don't have another until this Friday and it was gorgeous out, of course they'll get a decent crowd for a Monday night.
Really telling that most of the posts about Rovers' attendance are by dundalk fans... I'll let everyone draw their own conclu:rolleyes:sions from that
jus concerned citizens rh ;)
It was a bad turn-out you have to admit.Cosy stadium and hot bovril an all da.
sbgawa
05/03/2019, 9:29 AM
I was cold but my heart was warmed by going top of the league,
Mondays are a disaster for us as lots of families come and can't on school nights.
Either way 11000 people at the first 3 home matches including a monday is a good start so i'm not going to start moaning yet.
Attendances are going to be well up in general for a few weeks at least.
I'd expect a big crowd in inchicore on Friday and likewise at other matches where teams would consider themselves still in the mix.
In the past few years plenty of clubs looked like they were out of the league after 5 or 6 matches.
Cork are the exception at the moment but a couple of wins will change that
Ezeikial
05/03/2019, 9:32 AM
I think it was a decent turnout in the circumstances, but am not particularly bothered one way or the other.
But Shams fans getting so excited about this is pretty funny.
sundance kid
05/03/2019, 9:35 AM
Poor old Dundalk, the most successful period in their history, and all they have to talk about is Rovers manager, Rovers attendances, Rovers possible investment by Desmond, Rovers, Rovers, Rovers. Must be horrible to have such small man syndrome, but on the bright side, when you have six fingers on each hand you can probably clap louder than everyone else.
marinobohs
05/03/2019, 10:08 AM
Theres about 1,500 season ticket holders at Rovers, so I'm told.
But unlike dundalk, where there is literally NOTHING else to do with your life, people have other commitments in Tallaght and the surrounding areas where Rovers draw their fans.
good win on a cold night.
hopefully we can stay top of the league after next friday night game
Yep, signing on, burglary, jacking cars, ripping apart a local LIDL, it really is a very hectic life in Tallaght :D
outspoken
05/03/2019, 11:43 AM
Our hardcore is at about the 200-300 range. They would come even if we were in the MSL. Our casuals are around 1500 or thereabouts with the rest hangers on and glory hunters. Every club has them. To hazard a guess, I'd say that our entire fanbase is around the 4.5k range. That is what we are working from. Last year we averaged about 2,500 attendance at home. We haven't done this since 2003 when Jimmy McGeough was in charge and he brought back the feel good factor. It's great to see but if something went badly wrong or if Lee Power decided to pull the plug in the morning, we could very well be back in the low hundreds like we were back in 2016. We live on a razor's edge. Such is life in our beloved League of Ireland.
I wasn't questioning the number, the stand was well populated, it's how is the number calculated without ticket stubs or turnstile clicks.
He's got a clicker at the gate
Nesta99
05/03/2019, 1:49 PM
Poor old Dundalk, the most successful period in their history, and all they have to talk about is Rovers manager, Rovers attendances, Rovers possible investment by Desmond, Rovers, Rovers, Rovers. Must be horrible to have such small man syndrome, but on the bright side, when you have six fingers on each hand you can probably clap louder than everyone else.
You dont think that the litany of frantic and unnecessary Rovers fans posts on attendance can be commented on? I am a Dundalk fan (who has recently said the 1800 is at a push our hardcore support so hardly claiming a moral highground there) I enjoy chatting about league wide issues and last time I checked Rovers where part of the set up. If someone does post excessively about Rovers you will find that that poster thoroughly enjoys the reaction every single time! A quick look back and with exceptions there isnt excessive posting on clubs unless there is an issue at hand. Its not quite the days of every thread being derailed by Bohs/Rovers sniping mind. Sure Dundalk's pitch, away section, and American investment are hardly void of other clubs' supporters opinions and were even bestowed with their own threads such was the level of interest. Small man syndrome could also be called here with the very defensive nature of responses, a few posts were likely for the purpose of soliciting reaction such as yours Sundance! 'it was tooo cold, we had a Derby last week, we had a home game on Friday' (all arguably valid reasons and something that effects all clubs) all thats missing is a mypost like contribution on burden of the trip to Dalymount with no direct buses. Its Harp's that have the real issue with the scheduling not the home side, maybe the FAI should consult Met Eireann before lettings games go ahead in case its too chilly!? As for 6 fingers...its 6 toes ffs get it right, even Cork fans know that!!! :rolleyes:
mcgonigle
05/03/2019, 2:07 PM
Christ PC have a word with the rest of your comrades on here. You're fighting the good fight for Rovers trolls and they're ruining it all by jumping in every net cast. Some serious meltdowns lads, log off and lie down
Nesta99
05/03/2019, 3:50 PM
Christ PC have a word with the rest of your comrades on here. You're fighting the good fight for Rovers trolls and they're ruining it all by jumping in every net cast. Some serious meltdowns lads, log off and lie down
Ye know what they say about feeding trolls and all! Last night's fairly benign comment from Dundalkfc10 fairly netted a few and I dont even thing he was really baiting! The subsequent reactions were hopped on for sure. Some people (PC) were being a tad too sensitive lol. Rovers fans should be flattered by the attention and scrutiny their clubs gets as the biggest and bestest club on the island!!:soldier:
dundalkfc10
05/03/2019, 6:27 PM
Ye know what they say about feeding trolls and all! Last night's fairly benign comment from Dundalkfc10 fairly netted a few and I dont even thing he was really baiting! The subsequent reactions were hopped on for sure. Some people (PC) were being a tad too sensitive lol. Rovers fans should be flattered by the attention and scrutiny their clubs gets as the biggest and bestest club on the island!!:soldier:
100% wasnt. If we got that crowd Id say it was poor.
Its poor! Rovers should easilt be getting 2,000plus even if it is a Monday V Harps
Nesta99
05/03/2019, 7:04 PM
Whether its this season or the league in recent years in general its a back handed positive to call an attendance of 1500 poor especially with the eh mitigating factors given. There is merit though in considering it a poor attendance if clubs are trying to build attendances, certainly in the context of attendances so far this season. If some fans are satisfied with those numbers so be it. I dont see league attendances as a competition, a source of pride yes but it in the general interest of the league as a whole for crowds to be as high as possible. I think the smallest crowd in Oriel 2018 was a Tuesday night in February against Limerick at around 1800 and I wouldnt consider Dundalk crowds as exceptional in context of the league, whatever about relative to size of the population of Dundalk and enviorns. Poor or not its not as if a crowd of 1500 or so isnt possible for a league game at some point in Oriel, even Turners Cross.
Kingswood Rover
05/03/2019, 10:01 PM
100% wasnt. If we got that crowd Id say it was poor.
Its poor! Rovers should easilt be getting 2,000plus even if it is a Monday V Harps
Twas crap all right but said earlier wet Monday night against a team not known for their drawing power, i would be delighted if we pull in 3k at each of our next home fixtures V sligs and students
disgruntled
06/03/2019, 12:24 PM
Whether its this season or the league in recent years in general its a back handed positive to call an attendance of 1500 poor especially with the eh mitigating factors given. There is merit though in considering it a poor attendance if clubs are trying to build attendances, certainly in the context of attendances so far this season. If some fans are satisfied with those numbers so be it. I dont see league attendances as a competition, a source of pride yes but it in the general interest of the league as a whole for crowds to be as high as possible. I think the smallest crowd in Oriel 2018 was a Tuesday night in February against Limerick at around 1800 and I wouldnt consider Dundalk crowds as exceptional in context of the league, whatever about relative to size of the population of Dundalk and enviorns. Poor or not its not as if a crowd of 1500 or so isnt possible for a league game at some point in Oriel, even Turners Cross.
I think most on here will agree that these Monday night games are killers for most clubs. The sooner they are done away with the better.
All clubs will suffer trying to get decent numbers for these games except where there is a historic rivalry between the two clubs involved & even then numbers are reduced for various reasons.
These reasons might include weather, another home game a few days previously, school nights etc.
The difference in attendances at these games are often the difference between the hardcore & what we call the floating supporter who will attend only when there's an attraction or the match night suits them.
If we must have these games then make them games which are an attraction.
Local rivalries Rovers vs Bohs, Cork City vs Waterford, Sligo vs Derry & such. I know the Rovers vs Harps game was brought forward because of ground availability but did it really have to be a Monday night ?
A little bit of thought put into the compiling of the fixtures would help here but its not surprising when you look at those who are in charge of our league :mad:
joey B
06/03/2019, 12:43 PM
What other top league in world football would switch around games played by the top league in that country to accommodate U17 football? It wouldn't happen anywhere,but the attitude is sure it's only League of Ireland,it's only Harps who cares........
PartySaint
06/03/2019, 1:03 PM
If we must have these games then make them games which are an attraction.
Local rivalries Rovers vs Bohs, Cork City vs Waterford, Sligo vs Derry & such.
I think the complete opposite to this, I would be more annoyed if Pats played Rovers, Bohs or Dundalk at home on a Monday, these are our biggest games of the season crowd wise so I would want them on a Friday where we can maximise the numbers. If there has to be games on a Monday Harps/UCD is the ideal as the hardcore are only going to go to these games on a Friday anyway and will still likely go on a Monday.
placid casual
06/03/2019, 1:41 PM
Think that's a very valid point partysaint.
Should be good crowd on Friday I'd say.
Is Miele doing anything for you so far this season? He's an awful lazy bolli* when he wants to be.
Drennan could be the signing of the season if things continue as they are.
marinobohs
06/03/2019, 2:31 PM
I think most on here will agree that these Monday night games are killers for most clubs. The sooner they are done away with the better.
All clubs will suffer trying to get decent numbers for these games except where there is a historic rivalry between the two clubs involved & even then numbers are reduced for various reasons.
These reasons might include weather, another home game a few days previously, school nights etc.
The difference in attendances at these games are often the difference between the hardcore & what we call the floating supporter who will attend only when there's an attraction or the match night suits them.
If we must have these games then make them games which are an attraction.
Local rivalries Rovers vs Bohs, Cork City vs Waterford, Sligo vs Derry & such. I know the Rovers vs Harps game was brought forward because of ground availability but did it really have to be a Monday night ?
A little bit of thought put into the compiling of the fixtures would help here but its not surprising when you look at those who are in charge of our league :mad:
firstly, I don't believe there should be a need for Monday night League games. harps were treated very badly by the League in this fiasco but most clubs have had similar experiences in recent years. I would agree that higher profile matches (especially Dublin derbies) are less prone to suffer crowd wise by being scheduled on a Monday night (recent Bohs/Rovers game for example) and should also minimize the travel for players and fans.
Nevertheless I remain unconvinced there is a need to ever schedule a League game on a Monday night (unless previously postponed) and am surprised the clubs didn't have this resolved before the fixtures were issued.
firstly, I don't believe there should be a need for Monday night League games. harps were treated very badly by the League in this fiasco but most clubs have had similar experiences in recent years. I would agree that higher profile matches (especially Dublin derbies) are less prone to suffer crowd wise by being scheduled on a Monday night (recent Bohs/Rovers game for example) and should also minimize the travel for players and fans.
Nevertheless I remain unconvinced there is a need to ever schedule a League game on a Monday night (unless previously postponed) and am surprised the clubs didn't have this resolved before the fixtures were issued.
Not being facetious marinobohs, are you proposing adding 5 weeks to the season to avoid the need for Monday night games, reducing the number of games or another solution?
Jack B
06/03/2019, 2:38 PM
Think that's a very valid point partysaint.
Should be good crowd on Friday I'd say.
Is Miele doing anything for you so far this season? He's an awful lazy bolli* when he wants to be.
Drennan could be the signing of the season if things continue as they are.
He picked up a minor knee injury in the last week or so of pre season so only started his first (league) game on Friday in UCD after a few minutes here and there off the bench in the previous games. Hard to really judge him because the whole team has been very stodgy so far performance-wise. Had a couple of great touches - one in particular where off a throw in he skinned Tobin by back-heeling it over his head - but there was little in the way of end product as there has tended to be from us as a whole so far. We've been very reliant on Drennan nicking us a goal out of nothing but hopefully come Friday we'll have started to click as a team.;)
thebronze14
06/03/2019, 9:33 PM
I think the complete opposite to this, I would be more annoyed if Pats played Rovers, Bohs or Dundalk at home on a Monday, these are our biggest games of the season crowd wise so I would want them on a Friday where we can maximise the numbers. If there has to be games on a Monday Harps/UCD is the ideal as the hardcore are only going to go to these games on a Friday anyway and will still likely go on a Monday.
Fully agree with you here
Nesta99
07/03/2019, 4:50 AM
Think that's a very valid point partysaint.
Should be good crowd on Friday I'd say.
Is Miele doing anything for you so far this season? He's an awful lazy bolli* when he wants to be.
Drennan could be the signing of the season if things continue as they are.
If Pat's season pans out as a good few people, including myself, predicted preseason it will be down to Drennan pushing on the 20 goal+ tally. Sligo Rovers will wonder how the contract extension didnt happen, Shamrock Rovers will wonder how they missed out on him being available (unless there is baggage from his last spell in Tallaght) and even Cork will be thinking that he was worth at minimum an attempt to sign - with Sligo as Cork's development club if they had made sure that they activated his contract extension then a swap deal for Cummins could have been orchestrated!! ;)
sullanefc
07/03/2019, 5:09 AM
Poor old Dundalk, the most successful period in their history, and all they have to talk about is Rovers manager, Rovers attendances, Rovers possible investment by Desmond, Rovers, Rovers, Rovers. Must be horrible to have such small man syndrome, but on the bright side, when you have six fingers on each hand you can probably clap louder than everyone else.
These Johnny come lately Dundalk fans do seem to have an obsession with Shamrock Rovers. They seemed way sounder when they were getting a couple of hundred to games and threatening to set themselves on fire over DVDs.
What other top league in world football would switch around games played by the top league in that country to accommodate U17 football? It wouldn't happen anywhere,but the attitude is sure it's only League of Ireland,it's only Harps who cares........
Are you suggesting that the SDCC would have told UEFA to feck off with their money if Rovers had been down to play someone else?!
PartySaint
07/03/2019, 8:21 AM
Think that's a very valid point partysaint.
Should be good crowd on Friday I'd say.
Is Miele doing anything for you so far this season? He's an awful lazy bolli* when he wants to be.
Drennan could be the signing of the season if things continue as they are.
It's meant to be raining on Friday so hopefully that doesn't keep too many away but ticket sales going well so far by all accounts so should be 4000 minimum.
Miele got injured during pre season so didn't play much so he is still trying to get his fitness up, he has shown some nice touches but still a good bit off the pace.
redarmyfaction
07/03/2019, 8:59 AM
Not being facetious marinobohs, are you proposing adding 5 weeks to the season to avoid the need for Monday night games, reducing the number of games or another solution?
I propose playing all FAI Cup games on a week night until the semis, all league games to be played on the scheduled weekend irrespective of European commitments the same as other Euro countries and adding to the season as required. No club should be expected not to have a home league game for nigh on 3 months as we did last year.
marinobohs
07/03/2019, 9:39 AM
Not being facetious marinobohs, are you proposing adding 5 weeks to the season to avoid the need for Monday night games, reducing the number of games or another solution?
extend the season or reduce the number of games if necessary (although most clubs have spare Fridays later in the season). Monday night fixtures add nothing to the league and in my opinion bring it to near disrepute. expecting fans and (sometimes part time) players and officials to travel large distances on a work day is, at the very least, unhelpful.
marinobohs
07/03/2019, 9:41 AM
These Johnny come lately Dundalk fans do seem to have an obsession with Shamrock Rovers. They seemed way sounder when they were getting a couple of hundred to games and threatening to set themselves on fire over DVDs.
Whereas Cork City fans haven't changed, constantly moaning and totally fickle ;)
seand
07/03/2019, 10:00 AM
I propose playing all FAI Cup games on a week night until the semis, all league games to be played on the scheduled weekend irrespective of European commitments the same as other Euro countries and adding to the season as required. No club should be expected not to have a home league game for nigh on 3 months as we did last year.
What happened to Sligo (and to a lesser extent other clubs) was outrageous and shouldn't be allowed to happen. I'm warmly in favour of helping our teams in Europe, but not at the expense of everyone else. Bohs were badly messed around to facilitate Dundalk in 2016 too. I like the idea of prioritising league games on weekends over FAI Cup games. Obviously you'd have the same issue with travel etc in the cup you would in the league, but having the cup midweek would at least allow everyone to have a guaranteed home league game every 2 (or 3) weeks.
dundalkfc10
07/03/2019, 10:05 AM
These Johnny come lately Dundalk fans do seem to have an obsession with Shamrock Rovers. They seemed way sounder when they were getting a couple of hundred to games and threatening to set themselves on fire over DVDs.
Cork fans were far sounder when they were one of their 20 previous clubs!
joey B
07/03/2019, 10:29 AM
Are you suggesting that the SDCC would have told UEFA to feck off with their money if Rovers had been down to play someone else?!
No! I'm suggesting that senior football should not be messed around to accommodate U17s, however they wanted to work it,it could have been handled better.......
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