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liamoo11
15/11/2020, 2:46 PM
I disagree. Our turnover into the senior squad is going to get greater and greater.
For starters from this group we've already Kelleher, Travers, OShea, Molumby, Connolly, Idah and someone else?
Parrott is obviously there or thereabouts, and Lee O'Connor has already made his debut.

Based on what I've seen in this campaign, not just today, Conor Coventry would be an asset to the senior squad already. Collins is a beast, is very young, but has some lapses in him - for an almost first choice Chsampinship pro don't forget - that he needs to eradicate, and I'd be sure he's going to be a mainstay very quickly. I really like Connor Ronan. I think he's a very very clever player, and with better attacking players around him, and a good centre forward that pulls attnetion, he could be very useful, and I think he'll progress into the senior squad too.
Then there's Afolabi...he's been injured a lot, but I've seen him a handful of times, and much prefer him to Obafemi, who I think is so overrated it's comical.

Masterson, Scales, Elbouzedhi, Leahy, Mandriou. They're all really nice foorballers to watch, but they won't threathen the top two tiers in England, and in that scenario, I would hope that they could be a force in the LoI. I know that Masterson is at QPR and Elbouzedhi at Lincoln, but masterson for me has too many flaws. maybe he'll iron them out, but I'd be doubtful. However, seeing those players playing in a quality league of Ireland side - a Bohs, a Rovers or a Dundalk, would make a huge difference to the standard here, and also when those sides play in Europe.

Last one for me is Jack Taylor. Today wasn't the day for his type of game, but i've said it on the other thread, I think he's going to explode in the next 18 minths. He's tough, he's aggressive, and he carries the ball well, and isnt afraid to have a crack at goal. I fully expect him to be in the senior squad by the start of the 24 qualifying series.

That's before you even discuss next years 21s. It's one of the reasons why on other threads when we are posed the question "what's more important?", the most important thing, for me, is getting all age groups constantly into final tournaments. That drives these players when they get to the senior squad, where lets face it, qualification has been far from common place. We're constantly working on a top-down appraoch. We need to invert that.

Ask yourselves why this group of players was so anticipated and exciting? because of what they have achieved as a group all the way through. The first structured group of developed players from across the country, and it showed. That needs to be a priority.

I though Masterson was the better centre half today I really haven't seen many flaws when he plays for Ireland and he is certainly a centre half you want football wise if the plan is for the keeper to keep kicking goal kicks 5 yards to centre halves on the edge of the 6 yard box.

I think Ronan gets given alot of constant praise but has he really created enough in that 10 role or tested himself at a level equivalent to the championship yet ? Dan crowley is 6 months older than Ronan and to me is a player at this stage more suited to been in our seniors and impacting given his time in the top division in Holland and the championship

On the other hand obafemi has made impacts at premier league level and seems to get no love. He will struggle to play as a lone striker at the moment but paired with someone like parrott in a 2 he has definite qualities

It's been a good campaign certainly more depth than in previous under 21 squads but obviously it's very difficult for us to be down 7 or 8 first choices at this level and still reach the same levels.

The next 21 campaign will be tricky because covid has disrupted 19s international football so much so lots of lads wont have had the same international exposure as previously.

Razors left peg
15/11/2020, 2:52 PM
Kingdom, I agree that there will be more players in next years 21s etc, I was just saying not too many more will breakthrough from tonight's team. Bazunu for example didn't play today so I didn't include him.

Coventry and Ronan both nice players I'd agree, but also think both have looked less good since Molumby has been taken out of the side.

Lee O'Connor has a long way to go before he'll be back in contention for another senior cap I think. And we both agree on Obafemi.

jbyrne
15/11/2020, 3:02 PM
Iceland were missing 2 top players called up to the seniors, that's just normal stuff when the senior team is under pressure.

of course. i wasnt giving an excuse..... more of a wish as to how this crop of u21s would have developed a bit more as a group

Closed Account
18/11/2020, 3:08 PM
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elatedscum
18/11/2020, 3:55 PM
If anyone sources a link, make sure to post it... :(

nigel-harps1954
18/11/2020, 5:11 PM
Just gone 2-1. Ireland were 2-0 up with goals from Kayode and Lennon.

Luxembourg with a worldie to pull one back. 5 minutes to go.

HolaVPN chrome extension works to watch it on RTL.

nigel-harps1954
18/11/2020, 5:22 PM
FT 2-1.

Fairly decent, disciplined performance from a largely second string side. Nothing they could do about the Luxembourg goal, but overal a solid performance. Obafemi came on for the last 15 and done well too. Kayode is a big lad and could be a decent late bloomer.

tetsujin1979
19/11/2020, 12:03 AM
With the conclusion of the under 21 qualifiers, the following players are no longer eligible for the u21 side

Louis Dunne
Connor Ronan
Daniel McKenna
Gerry McDonagh
Canice Carroll
Josh Barrett
Conor Masterson
Leo Donnellan
Trevor Clarke
Michael O'Connor
James Doona
Sean Boyd
Ciaran Kelly
Conor McCarthy
Darragh Leahy
Jack Taylor
Caoimhin Kelleher
Callum Cockerill-Mollett
Thomas Cadman
Thomas O'Connor
Dara O'Shea
Zachary Elbouzedi
Jayson Molumby
Robert McCourt
Conor Levingston
Finn O'Mara
Aaron O'Driscoll
Luke Wade Slater
Evan Pierce
Jean Yves Poame
Jonathan Lunney
Daniel Mandroiu
Corey O'Keeffe
Liam Scales
Warren O'Hora
Aidan Keena
Jamie Gray
Rian O'Sullivan
Alec Byrne
Adrian Delap
Cathal Farren
Sam Todd
Kyle Finn
Jack James
Dan McNamara
Cody Prior
Jake Doyle-Hayes
Shola Ayoola
Tyreke Wilson
Edward McGinty
John Mahon
Anthony Scully
Conor Davis
Aaron Drinan
Jack Keaney
Shane Blaney
Callum Nicell
Barry Cotter
Ryan Nolan
Sean Callan
Ronan Hale
Jamie Lennon
Robert Kirk
David Craddock
James Finnerty
Mark Travers
Ryan Graydon
Ronan Wilson
Ronan Hurley
Stephen Mallon
Simon Power
Corrie Ndaba
Conor Kearns
Neil Farrugia
Jozsef Keaveny
Paul Martin
Rob Slevin
Darragh Power
Reece Murphy
William Fitzgerald
Dean Beresford
Oisin Griffin
Alex Phelan
Noel Heffernan
Jack Clarke
Darragh O'Connor
Kian Flanagan

elatedscum
19/11/2020, 1:04 AM
With the conclusion of the under 21 qualifiers, the following players are no longer eligible for the u21 side

Louis Dunne
Connor Ronan
Daniel McKenna
Gerry McDonagh
Canice Carroll
Josh Barrett
Conor Masterson
Leo Donnellan
Trevor Clarke
Michael O'Connor
James Doona
Sean Boyd
Ciaran Kelly
Conor McCarthy
Darragh Leahy
Jack Taylor
Caoimhin Kelleher
Callum Cockerill-Mollett
Thomas Cadman
Thomas O'Connor
Dara O'Shea
Zachary Elbouzedi
Jayson Molumby
Robert McCourt
Conor Levingston
Finn O'Mara
Aaron O'Driscoll
Luke Wade Slater
Evan Pierce
Jean Yves Poame
Jonathan Lunney
Daniel Mandroiu
Corey O'Keeffe
Liam Scales
Warren O'Hora
Aidan Keena
Jamie Gray
Rian O'Sullivan
Alec Byrne
Adrian Delap
Cathal Farren
Sam Todd
Kyle Finn
Jack James
Dan McNamara
Cody Prior
Jake Doyle-Hayes
Shola Ayoola
Tyreke Wilson
Edward McGinty
John Mahon
Anthony Scully
Conor Davis
Aaron Drinan
Jack Keaney
Shane Blaney
Callum Nicell
Barry Cotter
Ryan Nolan
Sean Callan
Ronan Hale
Jamie Lennon
Robert Kirk
David Craddock
James Finnerty
Mark Travers
Ryan Graydon
Ronan Wilson
Ronan Hurley
Stephen Mallon
Simon Power
Corrie Ndaba
Conor Kearns
Neil Farrugia
Jozsef Keaveny
Paul Martin
Rob Slevin
Darragh Power
Reece Murphy
William Fitzgerald
Dean Beresford
Oisin Griffin
Alex Phelan
Noel Heffernan
Jack Clarke
Darragh O'Connor
Kian Flanagan

Along with Luke McNally, Ross Treacy and Danny Grant (by a week or so)

ColourfulPeanut
19/11/2020, 8:03 AM
There's still a very strong core of U21 players left over from this batch and an equally exciting amount stepping up from the U19s. Should have a good squad for the next round of qualifying even accounting for Parrott, Idah and Knight moving up.

tetsujin1979
19/11/2020, 9:03 AM
Along with Luke McNally, Ross Treacy and Danny Grant (by a week or so)
I'm not sure about Grant, some sites give his date of birth as October 1999, some have it as October 2000

nigel-harps1954
19/11/2020, 10:13 AM
With the conclusion of the under 21 qualifiers, the following players are no longer eligible for the u21 side

Louis Dunne
Connor Ronan
Daniel McKenna
Gerry McDonagh
Canice Carroll
Josh Barrett
Conor Masterson
Leo Donnellan
Trevor Clarke
Michael O'Connor
James Doona
Sean Boyd
Ciaran Kelly
Conor McCarthy
Darragh Leahy
Jack Taylor
Caoimhin Kelleher
Callum Cockerill-Mollett
Thomas Cadman
Thomas O'Connor
Dara O'Shea
Zachary Elbouzedi
Jayson Molumby
Robert McCourt
Conor Levingston
Finn O'Mara
Aaron O'Driscoll
Luke Wade Slater
Evan Pierce
Jean Yves Poame
Jonathan Lunney
Daniel Mandroiu
Corey O'Keeffe
Liam Scales
Warren O'Hora
Aidan Keena
Jamie Gray
Rian O'Sullivan
Alec Byrne
Adrian Delap
Cathal Farren
Sam Todd
Kyle Finn
Jack James
Dan McNamara
Cody Prior
Jake Doyle-Hayes
Shola Ayoola
Tyreke Wilson
Edward McGinty
John Mahon
Anthony Scully
Conor Davis
Aaron Drinan
Jack Keaney
Shane Blaney
Callum Nicell
Barry Cotter
Ryan Nolan
Sean Callan
Ronan Hale
Jamie Lennon
Robert Kirk
David Craddock
James Finnerty
Mark Travers
Ryan Graydon
Ronan Wilson
Ronan Hurley
Stephen Mallon
Simon Power
Corrie Ndaba
Conor Kearns
Neil Farrugia
Jozsef Keaveny
Paul Martin
Rob Slevin
Darragh Power
Reece Murphy
William Fitzgerald
Dean Beresford
Oisin Griffin
Alex Phelan
Noel Heffernan
Jack Clarke
Darragh O'Connor
Kian Flanagan

Karl O'Sullivan with two under-21 appearances is a 99 born player too. Think that makes him ineligible too?

tetsujin1979
19/11/2020, 10:21 AM
I think so. the cutoff date for the 2021 U21 Championship is 1st January 1998, so I'm guessing the cutoff date for the 2023 U21 Championship is 1st January 2000, so O'Sullivan would be ineligible.

Stuttgart88
19/11/2020, 8:40 PM
I'm not sure about Grant, some sites give his date of birth as October 1999, some have it as October 2000
Not Roger Milla all over again.

geysir
19/11/2020, 8:54 PM
By the time Roger played for Cameroon at USA 94, the arthritis was kicking in.

seanfhear
19/11/2020, 9:14 PM
By the time Roger played for Cameroon at USA 94, the arthritis was kicking in.
He wen’t that Milla too far !

Charlie Darwin
19/11/2020, 11:44 PM
I'm not sure about Grant, some sites give his date of birth as October 1999, some have it as October 2000
It's 1999, it's in his Twitter name.

nigel-harps1954
22/11/2020, 12:58 AM
It's 1999, it's in his Twitter name.

Someone should probably inform Bohs..

https://bohemianfc.com/?p=13483

elatedscum
22/11/2020, 1:20 AM
Someone should probably inform Bohs..

https://bohemianfc.com/?p=13483

Meanwhile, transfermarkt has an entirely different date: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/daniel-grant/profil/spieler/577557

Charlie Darwin
22/11/2020, 4:29 AM
Someone should probably inform Bohs..

https://bohemianfc.com/?p=13483
Somebody should inform the bozos of a lot of things :)

geysir
22/11/2020, 6:02 PM
UEFA finally confirmed that Iceland go through to the finals. Pity though that the new dates for the group and knock out rounds directly clash with the WC qualifiers, with probably 6+ players joining up with the senior squad. They hardly merit a golden generation tag yet, but maybe having balls of brass will get them there.

Charlie Darwin
26/11/2020, 2:29 AM
UEFA finally confirmed that Iceland go through to the finals. Pity though that the new dates for the group and knock out rounds directly clash with the WC qualifiers, with probably 6+ players joining up with the senior squad. They hardly merit a golden generation tag yet, but maybe having balls of brass will get them there.
Wins home and away against a very decent Ireland squad is nothing to sniff at. Iceland really seem to have got things right the past five years and, as a small country we should be learning from them.

tetsujin1979
28/01/2021, 2:49 PM
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