View Full Version : Day of mourning for the pope
Ruairi
04/04/2005, 11:20 AM
yay or nay?
*could mod make a poll please*
i'm completely nuetral (Translation: I dont really give a sh!t), but it'd be interestingto hear other peoples views
patsh
04/04/2005, 11:37 AM
Maybe not a day, but I think it would be right to have the time off during his funeral. I fundamentally disagreed with 3 things about this Pope, but I do believe that on the whole he has done a lot of good, was loud and strong in his opposition to all wars and was a strong moral compass for people.
I would believe that he has had a major impact on this country and the whole world, and, whether you agree with him or not, a man of his stature should be afforded huge respect.
Bertie was quick to have a day's mourning for the twin tower's attack, a ridiculous decision in my opinion, so a national closedown for a few hours is more than in order.
Roo69
04/04/2005, 11:59 AM
I would say yes, but to make sure it acutally counts and people dont just use it as a day off to hit the pubs or what ever else it may be, have it on a Sunday !
today FM ran one this morning and something like 96% of voters wanted one
Eire06
04/04/2005, 12:02 PM
I would say yes, but to make sure it acutally counts and people dont just use it as a day off to hit the pubs or what ever else it may be, have it on a Sunday !
today FM ran one this morning and something like 96% of voters wanted one
Pubs would be closed.... Day of mourning and all..
Think we should have one and it should be Sunday so the people just lookin for an easy day off work won't get it and the people who truly want to mourn his death can do so
tiktok
04/04/2005, 12:25 PM
I think 96% of people would have voted for the day off, I'm not sure there'd be much actual mourning done.
Having said that, there are people who the pope meant an awful lot to, and for that reason they may wish to pay their respects and offer a prayer, for that reason I think Patsh's suggestion that anybody who wishes it can take time off for the funeral should be offered.
Dublin12
04/04/2005, 12:28 PM
Didn't somebody get banned the other day for asking this same question.
cullenswood
04/04/2005, 12:33 PM
Think we should have one and it should be Sunday so the people just lookin for an easy day off work won't get it and the people who truly want to mourn his death can do so
Hear hear. I think a lot (not all) of people are just looking for a free day off. Having it on a Sunday would prevent a lot of this. If people want the time off when the funeral is going ahead, they could take it off themselves, just like any other funeral.
I disagree with Sunday being the day of mourning. As the burial is on Friday, I would like to see either a day of mourning on Friday or nothing at all.
To make Sunday the day of mourning is just a way of keeping ISME happy, and if economics is going to start to dictate, which is sad, then there should be no official day of mourning.
I'm sure most practicing catholics will mark the passing of the pope in their own way next Sunday, so why make the publicans "suffer".
Personally I would like to see Friday as a day of mourning.
I don't see the point to be honest. Religion is a personla matter & people can choose to grieve or not as they see fit. I don't see why country should basically close down just for those people who lets face it would be in the minority. People always vote for day of work & would just treat as any other public holiday by going to pub or shopping centre.
Last time we had this with 9/11 was criticised afterthefact & i was "asked" to work anyway.
Ruairi
04/04/2005, 1:39 PM
AH WELL
it's not going to happen anyway
http://breakingnews.ie/2005/04/04/story196550.html
dahamsta
04/04/2005, 1:47 PM
Didn't somebody get banned the other day for asking this same question.There's a difference between a "day of mourning" and a "day off". And that wasn't why they were banned anyway, it was because they continued to be disrespectful after having been warned to stfu.
adam
Therein lies the problem.
The issue should never have been about a day off work.
They're talking about a days mourning in Italy, where flags will be at half mast, cabinet is suspended, and a three minute silence.
We could have done something like that, instead of ruling it out straight away because it wasn't economically viable. That wouldn't effect people that much, and those that want to, can show a mark of respect.
Eire06
04/04/2005, 2:30 PM
heard on the radio that Bertie has give all civil servants the ability to apply for the day off on friday to mourn the death of our Pope and he was advising the rest of the companies in Ireland to follow suit..
heard on the radio that Bertie has give all civil servants the ability to apply for the day off on friday to mourn the death of our Pope and he was advising the rest of the companies in Ireland to follow suit..
Typical Bertie move. Doesn't actually make a decision & bumps it over to others.
Not looks like teachers & others will use as excuse for long weekend.
:rolleyes:
Eire06
04/04/2005, 2:40 PM
Typical Bertie move. Doesn't actually make a decision & bumps it over to others.
Not looks like teachers & others will use as excuse for long weekend.
:rolleyes:
Schools also have the option of closing and will not be made to make up the day at the end of term
No. Simple as that. Their shouldn't have been one for sept 11th either. The only reason for a day of mourning should be a tragedy directly affecting this country or its citizens. I'm sorry to see anyone die, but some polish fella living in Rome has sweet FA to do with my life
Lim till i die
04/04/2005, 3:53 PM
No. Simple as that. Their shouldn't have been one for sept 11th either. The only reason for a day of mourning should be a tragedy directly affecting this country or its citizens. I'm sorry to see anyone die, but some polish fella living in Rome has sweet FA to do with my life
My sentiments exactly
Eire06
04/04/2005, 3:56 PM
Well Eanna and Lim that is your opionins
he was not "some polish fella living in Rome" to me he was a great man and the head of my church and that means a lot to me and I'm sure it ment a lot to people all over this country..
he was not "some polish fella living in Rome" to me he was a great man and the head of my church and that means a lot to me and I'm sure it ment a lot to people all over this country..
thats fair enough. That's all he was to me, everyone is gonna have a different opinion on this.
dortie
04/04/2005, 7:17 PM
Mentioned this on another post but the fact one of the most communist countries in the world 'Cuba' is having one puts the 26 county government to shame.
Peadar
05/04/2005, 9:20 AM
Mentioned this on another post but the fact one of the most communist countries in the world 'Cuba' is having one puts the 26 county government to shame.
I don't feel ashamed, as an Irish citizen, of my elected government.
People can mourn if they so wish but the country doesn't need to shutdown.
Lets keep things in perspective here.
cullenswood
05/04/2005, 9:57 AM
As far as I know a lot of the countries "putting us to shame" are still having businesses open during their day of mourning, which is proper order.
Gareth
05/04/2005, 10:03 AM
As much as most wont admit it, most people I know that want the day of mourning just want a day off. Plain and simple. So they really need to think about are they really going to mourn, or just lie in and have an extra day off!!
Dotsy
05/04/2005, 10:10 AM
From listening to the radio this morning it seems that a day of mourning in Cuba does not mean that everything closes. Sporting events are cancelled but people still go to work.
A day of mourning in most countries means that flags are flown at half mast and there is a period of silence observed. We will have been flying flags here at half mast for 6 days by Friday. A period of silence to be observed by people if they want wherever they are would be a good idea in my opinion. But I don't agree that the place has to close down. People who want to mark the funeral could go to early mass on Friday if they want. I am sure also that most employers would allow staff to take an hour or two off in the morning if they wanted to attend mass or watch the funeral on TV. THis could be facilitated in work places. People can pay their respects and mourn without closing down every business.I felt the same way about the day of mourning for 9/11. I was in work myself that day.
Not everybody in Ireland is a catholic. In my office there are two Irish and two Japanese staff. While I am sure the Japanese staff are sorry to see someone having died they won't be spending Friday mourning the pope's death. Will we have a day of mourning next time that a senior leader of the Jewish. Islamic, Buddist faith dies. I don't think so.
As I said earlier, when a day of mourning is mentioned here, people automatically think 'day-off'.
I think Bertie could have said Friday will be an official day of mourning, consisting of flags at half mast, minute silence etc. Economy wouldn't suffer, people who have no interest wouldn't be overly affected, but the day would be marked.
For me, I'm not so worried about having to work on Friday, but it would have been nice to recognise Friday as a day of mourning.
Not everybody in Ireland is a catholic. In my office there are two Irish and two Japanese staff. While I am sure the Japanese staff are sorry to see someone having died they won't be spending Friday mourning the pope's death. Will we have a day of mourning next time that a senior leader of the Jewish. Islamic, Buddist faith dies. I don't think so.
I think that sums it up. Many people from different faiths have respect for a world leader dying.
Its open to debate whether the Pope has had a positive impact on the world but probably nor the time to discuss.
I voted yes, because I want a day off. Doesn't really effect me personally at all.
Bertie can put whatever spin he wants on this, but he set the precedent with the September 11th Day of Mourning. He can't pick and choose (bit like his multiple minutes silence previously). IBEC and ISME didn't have a problem with a day of mourning when it was one of their business partners that would see Ireland in good light
Gareth
05/04/2005, 11:48 AM
I think the post by Dotsy says it all. If people were told Friday was a day of mourning but you have to come to work, they would grumble and moan that they didn't get the day off. Its kinda funny that way. Respect the memory of the dead, as long as it bags me a day off.
I am off work friday anyways with an annual leave day so it makes no difference in that sense to me.
corkharps
05/04/2005, 2:47 PM
No. Simple as that. Their shouldn't have been one for sept 11th either. The only reason for a day of mourning should be a tragedy directly affecting this country or its citizens. I'm sorry to see anyone die, but some polish fella living in Rome has sweet FA to do with my life
Spot on!.I'm getting sick and tired of people trying to 'outCatholic' each other since Friday! :mad:
liam88
05/04/2005, 4:34 PM
Spot on!.I'm getting sick and tired of people trying to 'outCatholic' each other since Friday! :mad:
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Bit bemused by this comment.......the Pope was loved by so many mor epeople than Catholics e.g. the many Jews he hid from the Nazi's durning the holocaust..............they and their children/granchildren are mourning our Pope right now but I'm sure they are not pretending to be Catholic
God Bless the Pope-may he live on through those hwo's lives he saved!
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Bit bemused by this comment.......the Pope was loved by so many mor epeople than Catholics e.g. the many Jews he hid from the Nazi's durning the holocaust..............they and their children/granchildren are mourning our Pope right now but I'm sure they are not pretending to be Catholic
God Bless the Pope-may he live on through those hwo's lives he saved!
Dodgy comment Liam, considering his failure to release papers that would show the extent of the Church's contacts/collaboration with the Nazi's. However, if people want to go down that line can they save it for next week, please?
dahamsta
06/04/2005, 9:36 AM
Exactly, could we just drop the deep and heavy discussions for a week please, have a bit of respect? And the "I just want a day off" comments too?
adam
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