Fixtures weekend 19th Oct

[Charlie Darwin]

Oh tongue was firmly placed in cheek!! On the Hoban goal scoring record thing, Turnbull's record is obviously being airbrushed out of the history books by RTE cause he played in Cork obviously, ye know with that anti Cork conspiracy and all:rolleyes:
I have it on good authority that Turnbull committed a foul in the lead-up to ones of those goals and, as per Cork football policy, he has been completely expunged from all records.

[White Horse]

RTE arbitrarily picked a goalscoring record that Hoban can break in order to create some drama and discussion during televised games.

The season ended very early this year so all real drama was sucked out of it.

The real significance of Hoban's goalscoring exploits is not what players did 50 or 80 years ago, it is that no other striker managed to score this quantity of goals in a season in recent memory. It is a fantastic achievement and one that should be lauded.

[The Donie Forde]

RTE arbitrarily picked a goalscoring record that Hoban can break in order to create some drama and discussion during televised games.

The season ended very early this year so all real drama was sucked out of it.

The real significance of Hoban's goalscoring exploits is not what players did 50 or 80 years ago, it is that no other striker managed to score this quantity of goals in a season in recent memory. It is a fantastic achievement and one that should be lauded.


Naturally, it should be - and is - seen as a very fine achievement.
That's not the problem people have with it at all. The problem is that it's not and isn't even close to the existing record.
Whether that nonsense came from RTE or wherever is actually not the point.

[ArFella]

Brendan Bradley's record is apparently the record goals in a season in the 2 division era, as opposed to Jimmy Gauld & Jimmy Turnbull who played in a single division league of Ireland. Now how that has any effect on the number of goals you score in a season is beyond me, it's a bit like the UK football media using "In the premier league era" as the benchmark for records broken as if there was no football before it.

Anyway, I think we can all agree Hoban is class.

[White Horse]

Brendan Bradley's record is apparently the record goals in a season in the 2 division era, as opposed to Jimmy Gauld & Jimmy Turnbull who played in a single division league of Ireland. Now how that has any effect on the number of goals you score in a season is beyond me, it's a bit like the UK football media using "In the premier league era" as the benchmark for records broken as if there was no football before it.

Anyway, I think we can all agree Hoban is class.

I suppose the logic is that it the standard of opposition should be higher in a two division structure. However, that is a tenuous argument.

It is probably better to concentrate on Hoban's achievement being unmatched in the modern era.

[The Donie Forde]

Bradley's club record was set in the single-division era.
But keep deluding yourself.
And spare a thought for Hoban who, if he scores next week, will probably believe he holds a new LOI record only to told, "Sorry, you're actually six short".
Surprised particularly at this whole "record" stuff from Dundalk, a club which probably has the best team of LOI statties in the country.

[ArFella]

Bradley's club record was set in the single-division era.
But keep deluding yourself.
And spare a thought for Hoban who, if he scores next week, will probably believe he holds a new LOI record only to told, "Sorry, you're actually six short".
Surprised particularly at this whole "record" stuff from Dundalk, a club which probably has the best team of LOI statties in the country.

Fair enough, I did say apparently because that was the reason I had heard for using Bradley as the modern benchmark.

[SeanDrog]

Mad for a trip to Jackman next year. Don't blame you.

Absolute ;)

[El-Pietro]

I suppose the logic is that it the standard of opposition should be higher in a two division structure. However, that is a tenuous argument.

It is probably better to concentrate on Hoban's achievement being unmatched in the modern era.
What does modern era mean? Is there a cut off point? Is it a rolling era? It seems very arbitrary. In England they have specific cuts offs that records apply to. Premier League and Post War era being the two most common ones that spring to mind.

Hoban is class, and deserves all the credit hes getting. We were linked with him last summer and the talk was that he was asking for too much money and that ourselves Rovers and Dundalk all balked at his request. He has shown he was worth every penny and in hindsight I'd wished we'd backed a truck load of cash up to his house.

This record stuff is showing how little our national broadcaster knows about the League of Ireland and cares about accuracy. This would have been a great opportunity to say "Hoban has scored the most goals in a League of Ireland season since..." and show how long our league has been around and shed some light on a forgotten corner of the leagues history.

[marinobohs]

Brendan Bradley's record is apparently the record goals in a season in the 2 division era, as opposed to Jimmy Gauld & Jimmy Turnbull who played in a single division league of Ireland. Now how that has any effect on the number of goals you score in a season is beyond me, it's a bit like the UK football media using "In the premier league era" as the benchmark for records broken as if there was no football before it.

Anyway, I think we can all agree Hoban is class.

just imagine him playing up front with Rovers 10 goal a season hat stand ;)

[SeanDMRooney]

What does modern era mean? Is there a cut off point? Is it a rolling era? It seems very arbitrary. In England they have specific cuts offs that records apply to. Premier League and Post War era being the two most common ones that spring to mind.

Hoban is class, and deserves all the credit hes getting. We were linked with him last summer and the talk was that he was asking for too much money and that ourselves Rovers and Dundalk all balked at his request. He has shown he was worth every penny and in hindsight I'd wished we'd backed a truck load of cash up to his house.

This record stuff is showing how little our national broadcaster knows about the League of Ireland and cares about accuracy. This would have been a great opportunity to say "Hoban has scored the most goals in a League of Ireland season since..." and show how long our league has been around and shed some light on a forgotten corner of the leagues history.

Presumably the dividing line here in Ireland would be pre and post 1985

[sbgawa]

just imagine him playing up front with Rovers 10 goal a season hat stand ;)

40 goals between them and the hat stand would only need a new coat of varnish once a year in lieu of wages.....BARGAIN

[brendy_éire]

Almost inevitably, we can't keep a clean sheet and concede two from set pieces.

Bray have won a third of their points against us.
If Sligo win on Friday, we'll finish eighth.

[joey B]

The league is finishing very poorly this season,dead rubbers galore,lots of average/poor sides caring very little about their performance,if the 10 team league is meant to improve things its hard to see it.....

[nigel-harps1954]

The league is finishing very poorly this season,dead rubbers galore,lots of average/poor sides caring very little about their performance,if the 10 team league is meant to improve things its hard to see it.....

Exactly the argument people have against a 16 team Premier Division too.

[sbgawa]

Exactly.......can you imagine how many dead rubbers there would be in s 16 team league

[Philosophizer]

The league is finishing very poorly this season,dead rubbers galore,lots of average/poor sides caring very little about their performance,if the 10 team league is meant to improve things its hard to see it.....

Even the top european leagues have plenty of dead rubbers for the last few weeks. Having a smaller league actually mitigates this because it leaves less clubs idling along in mid-table.

I think having 2 10-team divisions has been an improvement. Better players playing against better players more often and the 1st division has certainly been a lot more interesting than it's been for a long time.