A meeting with dolan on sun 13th [Archive] - Page 2

dahamsta

14/03/2005, 1:07 PM

im not sure if all the people got the Connection between Pat and why he needed to use a PR firm. The whole thing was beyond me as i thought the Concept of the whole night was simply to say thanks to pat. nothing more. no need for PR. a crazy 1 if you ask meYou'd wonder how many people will actually get that...

James

14/03/2005, 1:16 PM

You'd wonder how many people will actually get that...

eh like ;)
wudnt have a clue what youre implying adam

colblimp

14/03/2005, 8:29 PM

a crazy 1 if you ask me

I got it and I saw 'IT'...

Geddit? ;)

Mine'sABulmers

14/03/2005, 11:14 PM

Eanna and co, if you just stopped your anti-barking of Pat for 5 mins minutes and lets us who liked Pat thank him in peace and quite, we could ALL move on and support rico. But no, you have to go on and on.

It's the anti-Pat fans you want to create divisions in the club by not letting us thank Pat quitely by stirring the pot about bad smells and crap. In fact, a lot of it is very petty and nasty ("30 fans. What a joke!" kinda stuff.).

I know, I'm stirrin' it as well now, but I send one message for every twenty of your crap. Maybe YOU should take a back seat as well for a while as you ain't doing the club any favours either.

At least then we could ALL move on.

Here's looking to the future.

S�C

14/03/2005, 11:24 PM

I'd agree with Mine'sABulmers, time to cut out all the spam on various mbs. New Forges ahead is what it needed

Didnt take you long to drop Rico!:D

MinesABulmers any idea who organised the whole affair?

Now how do we work Rico's name into a rebel army chant

A face

14/03/2005, 11:33 PM

time to cut out all the spam on various mbs

I dunno ... i cant see it catching on to be honest !! :eek:
I think some of them are just caught in a rutt !! :p

�anna

15/03/2005, 1:29 AM

I dunno ... i cant see it catching on to be honest !! :eek:
I think some of them are just caught in a rutt !! :p
yesh! just can't help myself at this stage :rolleyes:

kevincronin2000

15/03/2005, 9:20 AM

tiktok

15/03/2005, 9:25 AM

Now how do we work Rico's name into a rebel army chant

rich-ard-son's Rebel Army

or

we-are-rico's rebel army

adamd164

15/03/2005, 9:41 AM

Ya that was already decided I though. Rich-ard-son's Rebel Army is the prefered one IMO.

Even though I'll definately get flamed for posting this, I'm not very happy that the 4 players went along at all. Not exactly a sign that they're ready to move onwards and upwards, is it?

kingcolers

15/03/2005, 9:51 AM

its fairly bizarre that four players would turn up...i've never heard of that type of thing before. but if you take it at face value, maybe they were just saying thanks to a bloke they genuinely admire and there's nothing sinister to it. if that's the case, then it's actually kinda nice. but if pat lingers about the place and if any of these players start stirring things, then the conspiracy theories may have some substance.

still would like to know what pat said on the night. and whether there was a bitter tone to the evening, or whether it was more philosophical. hopefully the latter.

tiktok

15/03/2005, 10:05 AM

its fairly bizarre that four players would turn up...i've never heard of that type of thing before.

I think it was a case of turning up for a colleagues going away party, once they turned up for training with Rico the day after I don't really care.

Dricky

15/03/2005, 10:41 AM

Pat who?

Colm

15/03/2005, 11:25 AM

Now how do we work Rico's name into a rebel army chant

We don't!
It's Pat Dolan's Rebel Army. Now that he's gone we will just sing 'Rebel Army'.
I think it would show a lack of respect for both Dolan and Rico if the fans all of a sudden changed it to Ricos Rebel Army.

adamd164

15/03/2005, 11:46 AM

I don't agree that it would show a lack of respect to Dolan, at all Colm. The 'Rebel Army' is the club and us, the fans - NOT PAT DOLAN!

Ruairi

15/03/2005, 11:48 AM

and brian lennox coined the "Rebel Army" phrase anyway...

patsh

15/03/2005, 11:53 AM

I don't agree that it would show a lack of respect to Dolan, at all Colm. The 'Rebel Army' is the club and us, the fans - NOT PAT DOLAN!
Have to agree with that. Its the fans who make up the RA, so no matter who coined the phrase, it's <insert manager/player name>'s Rebel Army, surely?

Maybe "Kevin Doyles Rebel Army" up in Ballybofey to re-assure the lad that we really want him here?

dahamsta

15/03/2005, 11:53 AM

It's Pat Dolan's Rebel Army.No it's not. As Ruairi suggested, the Rebel Army tag predates Dolan. Even I know that ffs.

adam

The Good Son

15/03/2005, 12:08 PM

I think it would show a lack of respect for both Dolan and Rico if the fans all of a sudden changed it to Ricos Rebel Army.
How in the name of Jebus would it show a lack of respect to anybody?

Gandhi

15/03/2005, 12:10 PM

I think it was a case of turning up for a colleagues going away party, once they turned up for training with Rico the day after I don't really care.

have to agree, they were well entitled to go, even if maybe the circumstances were slightly different to when someone normally leaves a job!! like, if someone got the sack from where you worked would everyone get together and organise a night out...! Plus if someone got the boot from a normal job it wouldn't be all over the papers, tv etc
Maybe the PR company thing is just typical Pat Dolan, if you are doing anything do it in style. Take the whole first team squad to Sweden, not just the 16 who will play or be on the bench. I'm sorry I missed it, I would have liked to thank him for all the great memories. I'm sure I'll get the chance eventually though, he is bound to pop up in Irish football again sooner or later.

Troy.McClure

15/03/2005, 6:45 PM

Now how do we work Rico's name into a rebel army chant

Ree-ko's Rebel Army!

It's Pat Dolan's Rebel Army. Now that he's gone we will just sing 'Rebel Army'.
I think it would show a lack of respect for both Dolan and Rico if the fans all of a sudden changed it to Ricos Rebel Army.

AFIK The only song we ever had for Dolan and Dolan only was...

"Get of the wall!" :D Ah, the memeories!

thecorner

15/03/2005, 9:14 PM

and brian lennox coined the "Rebel Army" phrase anyway...

stop now will ya!!!!!!!!!

supposed he coined the phrase supersiants for pats as well

Troy.McClure

15/03/2005, 9:50 PM

Cant ya remember singing 'Liam Murphy's Rebel Army' at all no :confused: :p

�anna

15/03/2005, 10:58 PM

We don't!
It's Pat Dolan's Rebel Army. Now that he's gone we will just sing 'Rebel Army'.
I think it would show a lack of respect for both Dolan and Rico if the fans all of a sudden changed it to Ricos Rebel Army.
Can't agree with you there. Dolan has said he's a supporter of the club and wished us the best, so I can't see the harm in changing the chant. I'm sure he wouldn't take it personally, not that it would bother me if he did

thecorner

16/03/2005, 12:06 AM

Can't agree with you there. Dolan has said he's a supporter of the club and wished us the best, so I can't see the harm in changing the chant. I'm sure he wouldn't take it personally, not that it would bother me if he did

trying to read between the lines here and it seems u agree dolan came up with the "rebel army"

yet over on official site u are demonstrating it was lennox......

:confused: :confused: :confused:

ever make ur mind biy will ya???...

ur after backtracking so many times on so many different subjects,u dont know what u believe in anymore..

dahamsta

16/03/2005, 9:48 AM

thecorner, his post suggests no such thing, now stop sh1tstirring or you'll find that ccfc.ie is the only place you can research �anna "demonstrating" things.

adam

Colm

16/03/2005, 12:01 PM

the Rebel Army tag predates Dolan. Even I know that ffs.

Whoever came up with it, it certainly doesn't predate Dolan. It first surfaced about a month or two after Dolan was appointed.

S�C

16/03/2005, 12:02 PM

Whoever came up with it, it certainly doesn't predate Dolan. It first surfaced about a month or two after Dolan was appointed.

Doesnt mean it should be retired!

Even his own statement said Up the Rebel Army

JDB

16/03/2005, 12:15 PM

Cork is known as "The Rebel County" due to its history of involvement in the fight for home rule, both in the original struggles in the late 18th Century and then in winning Irish independence in the beginning of the 20th Century. Michael Collins, a key figure in the War of Independence, was born and then assassinated in West Cork.

S�C

16/03/2005, 12:24 PM

JDB

16/03/2005, 12:31 PM

Indeed - I stand corrected - 1499 I believe. In any case I don't think even Pat Dolan can claim credit for inventing the term:

"In the aftermath of the Wars of the Roses, Yorkist pretenders to the English crown (worn victoriously by the Lancastrian Henry Tudor, Henry VII since 1485) won support in various parts of Ireland, with one interesting and curious consequence for Cork. Waterford resisted both Lambert Simnel (1488) and Perkin Warbeck (1491) and for its loyalty was dubbed the urbs intacta, the untouched city. Cork however took a different line and earned a quite different, and eventually a more famous, sobriquet. Warbeck was supported by Mayor John Water and the citizens. A price was paid in the temporary forfeiture of its charter and the execution of Water, along with Warbeck himself, in London in 1499. And so the famous description, 'rebel Cork', was originally applied by the crown as a derogatory designation but seems to have been adopted by the citizens as a badge of pride. It was in popular use long before it took on connotations of republican resistance to British rule early in the twentieth century. The term was further strengthened by Cork's rearguard resistance to the new Irish Free State in 1922. Today, the slogan 'up the Rebels' is most commonly and loudly vociferated by Cork's GAA followers : most of them are blissfully unaware of its fifteenth-century English royalist origins!"

�anna

16/03/2005, 1:11 PM

trying to read between the lines here and it seems u agree dolan came up with the "rebel army"

yet over on official site u are demonstrating it was lennox......

:confused: :confused: :confused:

ever make ur mind biy will ya???...

ur after backtracking so many times on so many different subjects,u dont know what u believe in anymore..
I don't know how you figure that thecorner. As far as I know, Lennox came up with the name. My point was that I doubt Dolan would mind if the chant was changed. Simple point really.

Gandhi

16/03/2005, 1:23 PM

thecorner, his post suggests no such thing, now stop sh1tstirring or you'll find that ccfc.ie is the only place you can research �anna "demonstrating" things.

adam

adam - I certainly don't want to p*** you or anyone else off but my reading of thecorner's post is that while it might be keeping an argument going that the rest of us might like to move on from, it certainly isn't offensive - well Eanna just chose to answer it rather than get offended by it - so to threaten to ban thecorner from the forum, well that's a bit harsh in my humble opinion! Agree to differ and all that, surely a more appropriate approach than censoring someone's point of view if it differs from yours?

adamd164

16/03/2005, 1:36 PM

The thing he was saying was that corner knew full well that eanna wasn't actually saying that. but i agree, a ban would be harsh.

dahamsta

16/03/2005, 1:39 PM

Whoever came up with it, it certainly doesn't predate Dolan. It first surfaced about a month or two after Dolan was appointed.Perhaps I should have been clearer: I'm pretty certain that the Rebel Army tag and logo predates the "Pat Dolan's Rebel Army" chant. The chant came about because of the brand. If I'm wrong, feel free to post the facts, but one fact will remain whether or which: The suggestion that the brand and/or chant should be dropped because Dolan is gone is absolutely ridiculous.

adam

kingcolers

16/03/2005, 2:12 PM

whomever it was who came up with 'rebel army', it was hardly the most original idea in the world. retiring it in anybody's honour is just nonsense. fans sing it in england all the time, with the manager's name changed according to who's in or out. the king is dead, long live the king....

tiktok

16/03/2005, 2:25 PM

Myabe I'm way off but I'm sure I heard it more than once during Dave Barry's time, as an alternative to
'Davey Barry's Barmy Army'
which just made everyone sound like cockneys, guv'nor :rolleyes:

Could be wrong though.
I don't see any problem singing Rich-ard-son's Rebel Army, ffs, that's what we'll be anyway.

dahamsta

16/03/2005, 2:53 PM

GavinZac

17/03/2005, 7:39 PM

TBH I always thought "Pat Dolan's Rebel Army" sounded a bit stupid, like the long, drawn-out chant of a sit-in organiser with an imagination deficiency. I reckon "Rich-ard-son's Rebel Army" will sound equally ridiculous. What's wrong with the short and snappy "Ri-co's Rebel Army"? Not that I'll hear it much, but still...

adam

not sure what the musical term is (maybe someone with that knowledge could volunteer it), but im sure theres something about balancing in the sylabyls. "ri-cos" (2) doesnt balance with "reb-el arm-ee" (4), and thats why "ri-char-dso-ons [the ons being extended]" (4) is easier to say and easier on the ear.

either way its hardly ground breaking original stuff.