2019 UEFA Under 17 Championship [Archive] - Page 3

liamoo11

03/05/2019, 11:49 PM

Where is Everitt from? I have searched for an association between him and an Irish schoolboy side previously to no avail.

I've become very cynical about these young lads. Seeing Louie Barry move along and be linked with Barca in the same way McGuane did has enhanced this cynicism as much as Rice and Grealish.

Everitt English born. He has been in with us since under 15 so this is his 3rd season in with us. Has never been involved with England at a time when England pick about 60 or 70 across a season at under 15. Hodge also been involved with us since under 15 but has played for England also each season and was first choice in their midfield earlier this season. McCann only involved with us in friendly last month and has played England under 16 but not under 17 this season. Don't think there is any other English born players. Obviously the Spanish lad is a dual.

Not sure why you would be cynical about Barry?, he has been in at under 15s and 16s for us and England. Next season he will have his first choice to make. We invite him in just like England invite him. What's there to be cynical about?

Mcguane was parachuted in to the euros had never been involved before and was an under 16 playing up a year. That was a strange decision to be fair and he switched to England 17s early the following season .

Olé Olé

04/05/2019, 8:33 PM

liamoo11

04/05/2019, 9:35 PM

Not to argue on any if the above. I do appreciate how knowledgeable you are on these matters. I have a passing interest and know these guys so I guess I'm playing devil's advocate due to the natural apprehension.

I absolutely respect that. I just think we need to either accept that times like grealish and rice will arise if we continue to pick dual qualified players or we lobby for the fai to change their policy and only pick Irish qualified players. If we look at this 17s squad there must be at least another 4 or 5 who are Irish born and bred but have a parent who has a different nationality. In these instances which is to say they wont wish to represent the country if there mither or father when the opportunity arises at senior level? England have been totally unapologetic in how they approach this consistently picking players underage who have played for other countries and been happy fo allow them to jump back and forth.

nterestingly their forum http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/england-u-17-discussions-thread-3.1775615/page-279 is suggesting that in their current under 17 set up they have a player or 2 who remains ineligible which seems to be based on the residency and education in England for 5 year rule which was speculated to be why oko flex was eligible for them(but is he?I think his absence from the competitive fixtures casts doubt on that). Basically they will Hoover players up just in case they end up been good enough

Olé Olé

05/05/2019, 11:36 AM

Agreed Liam. You're generally on the ball in this regard. I am going out on a limb here and could be completely wrong but I think that our under 17 side has 4 players of Nigerian heritage. I think Ireland as a country has been really successful in integrating the Nigerian community. I had this conversation with a Nigerian taxi driver recently who informed me his son was a cracking striker at Bray Wanderers. We spoke for a good stretch about Jonathan Afolabi and how he can't wait for Afolabi to be Ireland's number 9. It's a very important social matter and maybe there is contradicting evidence to my positivity and i accept that.

boysingreen

05/05/2019, 3:19 PM

Was kind of impressed that every player was signing the anthem. Except one. I believe it was McCann, if anyone can confirm or deny.

Olé Olé

05/05/2019, 4:54 PM

Was kind of impressed that every player was signing the anthem. Except one. I believe it was McCann, if anyone can confirm or deny.

Did Hodge pipe up?

CraftyToePoke

05/05/2019, 5:14 PM

Anthem Shmanthem lads, Declan learnt it too. Belted it out.

boysingreen

05/05/2019, 5:17 PM

Did Hodge pipe up?

He did

Cathalsmart

05/05/2019, 5:34 PM

McCann did but it was more mumbling it rather than belting it.

Olé Olé

06/05/2019, 3:57 PM

'I’m proud to score for Ireland. There’s no better feeling' https://the42.ie/4620964

Cork granny by Everitt. If he's any good, I won't he hopeful. Forgive my cynicism.

Olé Olé

06/05/2019, 3:59 PM

Everitt English born. He has been in with us since under 15 so this is his 3rd season in with us. Has never been involved with England at a time when England pick about 60 or 70 across a season at under 15. Hodge also been involved with us since under 15 but has played for England also each season and was first choice in their midfield earlier this season. McCann only involved with us in friendly last month and has played England under 16 but not under 17 this season. Don't think there is any other English born players. Obviously the Spanish lad is a dual.

Not sure why you would be cynical about Barry?, he has been in at under 15s and 16s for us and England. Next season he will have his first choice to make. We invite him in just like England invite him. What's there to be cynical about?

Mcguane was parachuted in to the euros had never been involved before and was an under 16 playing up a year. That was a strange decision to be fair and he switched to England 17s early the following season .
What is Hodge's tie? It's not an Irish name so I assume it's on the mother's side.

tetsujin1979

06/05/2019, 5:46 PM

mark12345

06/05/2019, 7:43 PM

Team announced. Sobowale misses out with injury, Anselmo McNulty comes in.
Bazunu starts, despite Corcoran being available again after suspension
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Belgium 2-0 up on Greece in the last few minutes

Ten minutes to go, one down to the Czechs. Some good individual performances for Ireland (big lad at the back and Hodge) but serious lack of ideas going forward - just hoof ball really

jbyrne

06/05/2019, 7:47 PM

1 all now. well deserved. have played much better since going behind

mark12345

06/05/2019, 7:51 PM

Big lad equalizes for us. Deserved for him. 1-1 is a lot better than 0-1

mark12345

06/05/2019, 7:59 PM

Finished 1-1. Red card for Irish striker in stoppage time. Means we must now beat Belgium to qualify (assuming that Czechs will defeat Greece who have very little chance now).

jbyrne

06/05/2019, 8:00 PM

the red card at the end was a disgrace. 17 yr olds throwing themselves to the floor at every opportunity. embarrasing

geysir

06/05/2019, 8:20 PM

Wasn't it a second yellow? The coach was talking about an appeal, but that's not an option with a yellow card?

Paddy Garcia

06/05/2019, 8:35 PM

Reminds me of the first team - come alive when we are 1 nil down. Mindset is all.

Appalling yellow/red cards, too young to be cheating surely!

mark12345

06/05/2019, 9:26 PM

the red card at the end was a disgrace. 17 yr olds throwing themselves to the floor at every opportunity. embarrasing

Agreed. It was disgraceful - the Czech lad was barely touched. And if that minutest of contact makes him fall he shouldn't be playing the game. Hopefully UEFA rescind the red card and issue a yellow to the Czech lad.

mark12345

06/05/2019, 9:29 PM

Reminds me of the first team - come alive when we are 1 nil down. Mindset is all.

Appalling yellow/red cards, too young to be cheating surely!

Yes the U-17's were quite reminiscent of the first team. Very worrying to be honest.
I had high hopes for this bunch of lads based on reports - but all we did was hoof the ball long and hand it back to the Czechs.
Our young players need to learn how to keep possession and also to play it through the middle as well as the wings.

samhaydenjr

07/05/2019, 2:44 AM

Reminds me of the first team - come alive when we are 1 nil down. Mindset is all.

Appalling yellow/red cards, too young to be cheating surely!

I thought we had a number of good spells throughout, we were just missing that final ball. Also, with Carty often moving to the wing and coming deep regularly (and doing well at times, in fairness), we were lacking a fixed target up front... oh how we could have done with Parrott. We were a little slow out of the blocks in both halves but when we got into our stride, we played some good stuff, with Hodge, McCann, Ebosele, Carty, McEvoy and Everitt all showing an ability to take on opponents and some nice link-up play - although I will concede that it was more controlled and low-risk when the game was scoreless, which is natural. Obviously when we were a goal down with fifteen minutes left, it was time to push more bodies forward and take more risks and happily it paid off, which was deserved. But the lads will definitely have to raise their game to beat Belgium.

Side note: I thought Bazunu looked commanding when crosses came in... but also, did you see that throw in the second half? Right into the Czechs' half and ran right through to their keeper before Ebosele could catch up... I can see him getting a few assists with that weapon.

Kingdom

07/05/2019, 7:19 AM

Watched the full game. The first thing I'd say is that the wind looked atrocious in the 1st half when we played into it, but was less fierce in the 2nd half when we had it at our backs.

First obs were that they were like men, compared to some of our boys. We physically struggled to get distance on clearances in the 1st half, and really had no choice to play football, which they tried to do at every opportunity. I saw a game either last season or early this season where Garcia McNulty was playing centre-back and his willingness to hold the ball and play from the back resulted in a mistake, and a goal conceded. He was obviously encouraged to do so, and thankfully so, because his use of the football yesterday was extremely impressive, and was not concerned at all about receiving the ball in a tight spot, or being closed down. It was great to see. It helped that he had Hodge in front of him.

I thought Keogh looked ordinary yesterday, and should have been substitued when he got injured the second time. It cost us a goal, when it was obvious he was unable to carry on. I didn't think much of MeEvoy, and it would concern me how bad the Irish league must be if he's a first team player in the PL there. The difference between him and Furlong on the other side was colossal. Everitt looks tidy.
It's a weaker group of players, both technically and physically compared to last seasons. Troy Parrott would make the world of difference to that team. Joe Hodge would have made the world of difference to last years team.

liamoo11

07/05/2019, 10:08 AM

When this group won the victory shield last season as 16s they never went long everything went through midfield no long kick outs from the keeper. Grant it that was against worst opposition in Wales Scotland and the north who all failed to get to these championships.

That team that won the victory shield also had three front players that are not here now unfortunately in parrott , okoflex and odubeko . These three bring excellent technical ability but also serious pace and power. Obviously parrott is injured but odubeko seems to have been left out for carty and who knows what's happening with okoflex but somehow he is neither playing for us or the Brits in this tournament which is a real shame with his quality.

If those three combined with ebosele played yesterday I think you have a much more potent side plus then greater options to change off the bench.

Joe hodge really is a nice footballer. Hard to see him(or any youngster really) making it at city but lots of excellent basic control and passing abilities and a nice acceleration which is a nice bonus.

geysir

07/05/2019, 10:36 AM

the red card at the end was a disgrace. 17 yr olds throwing themselves to the floor at every opportunity. embarrasing

These are kids. What that demonstrated was that not enough is being done to punish the cheating committed by the adults in the game.
Fabinho's blatant dive after fresh air contact on saturday wins Liverpool the game, both he and the official some 1m away, should have been banned for the next game on the basis of the video evidence. Instead the message being forwarded is that cheating is a useful skill of deception and is still very much part of the game.

Diggs246

07/05/2019, 10:40 AM

He was their captain as well. I hope he gets barred ( if thats possible?)

jbyrne

07/05/2019, 11:01 AM

These are kids. What that demonstrated was that not enough is being done to punish the cheating committed by the adults in the game.
Fabinho's blatant dive after fresh air contact on saturday wins Liverpool the game, both he and the official some 1m away, should have been banned for the next game on the basis of the video evidence. Instead the message being forwarded is that cheating is a useful skill of deception and is still very much part of the game.

shocking refereeing when someone squeals, jumps in the air and the ref buys it without actually seeing any contact.
that ref should be sent home as he is obviously not up to it

Diggs246

07/05/2019, 12:10 PM

The worst thing is if the ref thought he had assulted their guy, he should have given him a straight red, which we would then appeal and win. but he gave him a second yellow and we cant appeal that

Yard of Pace

09/05/2019, 9:36 AM

I think Ireland as a country has been really successful in integrating the Nigerian community. I had this conversation with a Nigerian taxi driver recently who informed me his son was a cracking striker at Bray Wanderers. We spoke for a good stretch about Jonathan Afolabi and how he can't wait for Afolabi to be Ireland's number 9. It's a very important social matter and maybe there is contradicting evidence to my positivity and i accept that.

I absolutely love talking football with foreign taxi-drivers (or any that know anything more than just about the EPL). And, I agree that it's been a big succes.
There were difficulties I recall, taxi-drivers getting messed around with the taxi ranks etc, people's attitude of benefit scroungers etc, but I think that's died out a lot and in the area I am in in Dublin there's hordes of teenagers clearly of African and middle-Eastern origin hanging around (never heard of any trouble or seen any)....and while full integration is a bit off by my observations (their religious devotion is maybe a thing there), I firmly believe the next few generations will be full of inter-racial marriages. And it's not just Nigeria now. I have tried and failed to chat up females from Malawi, Zimbabwe :-D

Eamon Zayed's da used to have press cuttings about him all over the interior of his taxi.

Also, just wait for the Poles, and, especially, the Brazilians to come of age. Bolsonaro's election could be a Gary MacKay moment (though the toll it may take on the rest of the world is something I fear and I feel sorry for the Brazilians I know....awesome people in general in my experience, with an infectious attitude towards life)

I think it's all wonderful, absolutely fantastic. But the tug-of-wars in the future could be on an epic scale....!!

Torn-Ado

09/05/2019, 6:38 PM

These Belgian kids look massive. Their number 11 on the wing is causing all sorts of problems for us.

tetsujin1979

09/05/2019, 6:48 PM

He's been running us ragged on that side, fantastic pace.

tetsujin1979

09/05/2019, 6:53 PM

Greece hit the post from a penalty in the other game.
As it stands, Ireland are joint second with the Czechs, but going out on disciplinary points

Olé Olé

09/05/2019, 8:32 PM

He's been running us ragged on that side, fantastic pace.
Gorgeous player.

Disappointed for Ireland. Pity they didn't pick up a win in other two.

Hodge had a great second half. We could do with holding onto him. Obomadimele was excellent even before he made all the awesome blocks. Serious future ahead for him too. I liked Keogh also. And Furlong.

Disappointed with McCann. Belgium didn't give him or Everitt much space and we didn't get them much quality ball.

tetsujin1979

10/05/2019, 1:24 PM

Of the current squad, only Garcia-MacNulty will be eligible for the 2020 UEFA U17 Championship. The Qualifying Round is in November, and Ireland will host their group, facing Israel, Montenegro, and Andorra

tetsujin1979

10/05/2019, 1:29 PM

Kingdom

10/05/2019, 2:49 PM

Was not surprised to see that, at only 16, he's already played first team football for Anderlecht. Every scout that left the ground must have been looking up his agent's details. Read that he was linked with a move to Liverpool, until the Anderlecht president stepped in

A certain canny digit mover on foot.ie can atest to my post, but I can tell you that Anderlecht are a basket case at the moment. I don't think it's got much traction in the general sports press surprisingly, but there is serious shenanigans in Belgian football.

Anderlecht have some outstanding young players that are not even getting a look-in with the first team properly, despite their woes in the league.

elatedscum

10/05/2019, 8:18 PM

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48042234

mark12345

10/05/2019, 11:17 PM

Gorgeous player.

Disappointed for Ireland. Pity they didn't pick up a win in other two.

Hodge had a great second half. We could do with holding onto him. Obomadimele was excellent even before he made all the awesome blocks. Serious future ahead for him too. I liked Keogh also. And Furlong.

Disappointed with McCann. Belgium didn't give him or Everitt much space and we didn't get them much quality ball.

Got to say, as much as I was disappointed by the lack of technique against the Czechs, this Irish performance against Belgium was quite brilliant at times. We had to defend Belgian counter attacks and then had the presence of mind to play the ball out from the back, through midfield and turn it into something resembling an opportunity at the other end - and all achieved with clever passing and no little technique. We were particularly brilliant after scoring the equaliser I thought. Disappointed like anyone else that we went out, but there are definitely the seeds of hope in this bunch of lads.

Olé Olé

11/05/2019, 10:18 AM

Got to say, as much as I was disappointed by the lack of technique against the Czechs, this Irish performance against Belgium was quite brilliant at times. We had to defend Belgian counter attacks and then had the presence of mind to play the ball out from the back, through midfield and turn it into something resembling an opportunity at the other end - and all achieved with clever passing and no little technique. We were particularly brilliant after scoring the equaliser I thought. Disappointed like anyone else that we went out, but there are definitely the seeds of hope in this bunch of lads.
I thought it was very similar to the senior side's performance against Georgia and we were set up quite similarly on both occasions. The Belgian side were technically awesome all across the pitch but couldn't contend with our physicality and vigour. We just lacked that guile that someone like Troy Parrott would provide. McCann failing to impact the game from 10 was probably a big factor there.

I think we have found our identity now. A counter-attacking, physically-imposing 4-3-3. A Liverpool-esque approach.

mark12345

11/05/2019, 4:04 PM

I thought it was very similar to the senior side's performance against Georgia and we were set up quite similarly on both occasions. The Belgian side were technically awesome all across the pitch but couldn't contend with our physicality and vigour. We just lacked that guile that someone like Troy Parrott would provide. McCann failing to impact the game from 10 was probably a big factor there.

I think we have found our identity now. A counter-attacking, physically-imposing 4-3-3. A Liverpool-esque approach.

Would be very happy with such an identity / team.