dolan sacked

[patsh]

i'd like to take this oportunity to congratulate:

wws
Peadar
patsh
damian richardson
What is this supposed to mean?

[GavinZac]

I had an opinion, like everyone else, but I never did anything to get Pat Dolan sacked. Hardly think I deserve congratulations.
The welfare of the club is my first concern and I derive no pleasure for such a situation, particularly since the start of the season is just days away.

What is this supposed to mean?

ye were the people that came to mind that werent behind dolan. not accusing ye of anything, just highlighting that someone's going to see the bright side of this. shouldve added in Éanna too.

[ccfcman]

Dolan sealed his fate himself, that is obious, you don't get to bully the Chairman in the media using players.

You know this is all very much alike when Dolan parted company with Pats, didnt he have problems with the media then.

Anyway I fully back Lennox's decision, even if we have to pay twice the managers fees for one yr.

[GavinZac]

Dolan sealed his fate himself, that is obious, you don't get to bully the Chairman in the media using players.

not true.


Anyway I fully back Lennox's decision, even if we have to pay twice the managers fees for one yr.
and we cant afford to lease a proper training ground :rolleyes:

[drinkfeckarse]

Just arrived at work and saw the news. I can't say I'm shocked he's gone because from following on this board the developments that were happening between Lennox and Dolan, it was only a matter of time before something gave.

I was expecting a bit more of a backlash towards the board and Lennox following this but can see that the majority are taking the news like "thanks anyway Pat but that's football"......

I think that says it all really, most people think Lennox has done more for the club and is more important to the club than Dolan was.

[GavinZac]

I think that says it all really, most people think Lennox has done more for the club and is more important to the club than Dolan was.

yeah but in sacking pat he has:
(1)cost us lots of money we apparantly dont have.
(2)disrupted any chance of a normal warm up to the season.
(3)maybe lost some players?

however in compatable they might have been, now was not the time to do this.

[joeSoap]

Noel O'Connor. and some else isnt going to be happy about me saying that, but while we're on the topic of transparency...

Dangerous accusation, naming names like that without any substantiation. I'd consider editing that post.

[GavinZac]

Dangerous accusation, naming names like that without any substantiation. I'd consider editing that post.
what do you mean without substantiation. its what he said.

[thecorner]

nothing short of a disgrace.

lennox has cheated the fans. this was supposed to be our year.

i see rico is being touted as next manager

the same rico that lennox wouldnt give the job to 2 years ago becasue he wouldnt apply for it/


so now lennox is a crawler as well

[drinkfeckarse]

yeah but in sacking pat he has:
(1)cost us lots of money we apparantly dont have.
(2)disrupted any chance of a normal warm up to the season.
(3)maybe lost some players?

however in compatable they might have been, now was not the time to do this.

Agree with all that but when is there a good time to sack your manager really? Players on the pro Pat side will be upset no matter what time of the year it happens.

On the plus side, all City's players are under contract and with all new managers comes new players and new ideas so maybe a few positives to look forward to??

Depends which way you look at the situation I suppose, half full- half empty scenario. I think it's a chance for City to build on what Pat has helped put in place and take it to the next level.

[thecorner]

who's gonna pay dolan off. thoought there was no money there :confused:

[kevincronin2000]

If he was sacked for gross miss-behavior I don't think he needs to be payed off.

Ps. Best of luck Pat. Put it this way lennox had the vision to bring him here, so I am trusting Brian that he has made the right move, but in saying that if results were good enough i hate seeing managers get sacked for other reasons.

[Dricky]

Does this mean I'm allowed post again? :)

Ha ha good to see you back Dodge...

[Peadar]

Does this mean I'm allowed post again? :)

Welcome back, Dodge. ;)

[GavinZac]

Agree with all that but when is there a good time to sack your manager really? Players on the pro Pat side will be upset no matter what time of the year it happens.
his contract was up at the end of this season. if he didnt deliver what he promised, then there'd be a just footbaling case for his dismissal.



On the plus side, all City's players are under contract and with all new managers comes new players and new ideas so maybe a few positives to look forward to??part of the reason dolan was sacked was because he wanted new players, the new manager will get maybe 1 free signing as a PR stunt.

meanwhile the players are under contract but the last thing we need is half-arsed players just waiting for the transfer window.


Depends which way you look at the situation I suppose, half full- half empty scenario. I think it's a chance for City to build on what Pat has helped put in place and take it to the next level.
we've got to look forward, but theres no disguising that this was a travesty.

[pete]

Players, Managers (and even Chairmen) come & go but the club will remain.

Generally rumours about the club are mostly true. I think we can only assume most of the allegations about Dolan & the training facilities & players statements are correct.

Based on these assumptions IMO Brian Lennox had no option but to take the action he did. Dolan wasn't likely to leave the matter as was & would have been expected to comment further as the season progressed.

Just as Lennox didn't allow players hold the club to ransom in contract negotiations he didn't allow the Manager take the club for a ride either.

From what i've observed Lennox seems to put the club (and its future) first on all matters.

[James]

Just as Lennox didn't allow players hold the club to ransom in contract negotiations he didn't allow the Manager take the club for a ride either.

From what i've observed Lennox seems to put the club (and its future) first on all matters.

exactly how i see it to pete
Brian has nothing but the clubs interests at heart

[drinkfeckarse]

Wonder how long it will take for stories to appear from Dolan crucifying Lennox and the way the club is run??

[Dricky]

If we look back to when Pat was signed, the genral consensus was that Pat was a great signing as long as control of money was not his remit, management of the team was his job.

Pat's fans came on saying he'll send you broke, we mostly retorted with, if that starts to happen Brian will stop him.

Good to see some things that Pat did, I wish him the best of luck with another club, long term future of the club is the key thing, club in debit so early in the life of Brian not a good think. The Boss did what had to be done.

[dahamsta]

RICO OUT!!Heh, now that's what I call preemptive...

[Peadar]

Heh, now that's what I call preemptive...

Surely I should get the award for being "Preemptive"? :D
Dolan Out! (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=9680&highlight=Dolan)

[Éanna]

exactly how i see it to pete
Brian has nothing but the clubs interests at heart
its a pity many people are blinded by anger and can't see that

[GavinZac]

its a pity many people are blinded by anger and can't see that

its a pity less people are blinded by a strange belief that brian lennox is indeed jesus christ our saviour himself.

[Éanna]

its a pity less people are blinded by a strange belief that brian lennox is indeed jesus christ our saviour himself.
who's that then?

[dahamsta]

Surprised this wasn't posted earlier.


Dolan sacked by Cork City (http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/03/02/story191657.html)
(http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/03/02/story191657.html)02/03/2005 - 00:04:13

Pat Dolan has been sacked as manager of Cork City after a turbulent week for the club.

Dolan, who guided Cork City to second place in the Eircom League last season, was fired by Cork chairman Brian Lennox on Tuesday evening because of what was fast becoming an unworkable relationship between the two.

The matter reached a head this week after a number of players publicly criticised training facilities in Cork and despite Lennox’s attempts, he could not contact Dolan in order to try and improve the situation.

Dolan failed to turn up at a meeting with the club chairman last Thursday, nor make contact over the last number of days, forcing the hand of the club’s board.

Neither Lennox, Dolan or any other Cork official were available for comment though it is understood that the Cork board believed that sacking Dolan was the only possible action in the circumstances.

According to Cork City’s official website, U-21 coach Stuart Ashton, assisted by Paul Bowdren, is to take temporary charge of the senior squad.

The club hope to have a new manager in place next week.

[Risteard]

John O'Flynn (http://corkcityfc.ie/audios/joflynn6.mp3) &
Stephen O'Flynn (http://corkcityfc.ie/audios/soflynn2.mp3)

[Troy.McClure]

The matter reached a head this week after a number of players publicly criticised training facilities in Cork and despite Lennox’s attempts, he could not contact Dolan in order to try and improve the situation.

Dolan failed to turn up at a meeting with the club chairman last Thursday, nor make contact over the last number of days, forcing the hand of the club’s board.

That alone would get you sacked in many jobs. He had to have known it was comming really. Im guessing that he knew it was comming and tryed to get some sympathetic PR out of it. Wait for "Ive got so much passion for Cork, Cork City and Cork CityFC, its the best place in the world and all I wanted to do was to bring the Champions League to Turners X, but other people didnt want that and they were affraid to progress but its their club and I can only go along with what they want". He'll forget that someone needs to pay the players, the coaches, the u21,18, 16 teams, travel...

[Éanna]

That alone would get you sacked in many jobs. He had to have known it was comming really. Im guessing that he knew it was comming and tryed to get some sympathetic PR out of it. Wait for "Ive got so much passion for Cork, Cork City and Cork CityFC, its the best place in the world and all I wanted to do was to bring the Champions League to Turners X, but other people didnt want that and they were affraid to progress but its their club and I can only go along with what they want". He'll forget that someone needs to pay the players, the coaches, the u21,18, 16 teams, travel...
Thats pretty much my thinking Troy. Dolan not turning up to the meeting was probably the final straw.

[Troy.McClure]

From the Irish Times (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2005/0302/4069844267SP2SOCNEWS1.html)


Dolan is a surprise pre-season casualty
Emmet Malone



Cork City's preparations for the new season were thrown into turmoil last night when manager Pat Dolan was sacked by club chairman Brian Lennox just two weeks before the start of the new season.

It had long been known that the pair enjoyed a difficult relationship, which further deteriorated last week in the wake of complaints by prominent members of the squad regarding the state of the training facilities being used in recent weeks.

The difficulties arose in the middle of last week when John O'Flynn and Joe Gamble both publicly expressed their unhappiness over the state of a school GAA pitch that had been used for training. Gamble likened the field to a "cabbage patch" and Lennox reacted angrily to the comments, describing them as "excuses" and stating that he would prefer if his team concentrated on "winning things for a change".

Dolan is said to have made efforts to resolve matters when he, Lennox and the players met on Friday morning but there were reports of further difficulties, which it seems culminated in last night's dramatic training ground dismissal.

It is a major blow for the manager who took over at Turner's Cross just under two years ago and led City to third and second place respectively during his two seasons in charge. The club finished just three points behind Shelbourne last November thanks to a late season surge in form.

City's lack of consistency earlier in the campaign, however, meant that crowds for home games - a huge source of income for what is a very well supported club in good times - dropped significantly. Early in the summer there had been the bonus of a good European run with Dolan guiding the side to the quarter-finals of the Inter-Toto cup but that, too, sparked problems between the manager and his chairman with Lennox complaining about the number of players who had little or no chance of featuring in games who were still being brought on away trips.

Lennox was also publicly critical about the size of Dolan's first team squad and the amount it was costing to maintain. Last season he insisted on cuts being made and a number of players were allowed to leave the club. The financial restraints continued through the close season. While Shelbourne made a series of high profiled signing, including Glen Crowe, Colin Hawkins and Bobby Ryan, Dolan had not yet recruited any new players.

Dolan's high spending was also a feature of his time at St Patrick's Athletic, but players who have worked with him have generally praised him for the professional way in which he manages team affairs. At Inchicore he also brought considerable success although his departure was followed by a financial crisis with many of the league winning team he had assembled departing.

His outspoken style and regular spats with rivals and administrators at other clubs may limit his future employment offers, particularly with the country's biggest clubs. However, it is hard to imagine that he won't be back sooner rather than later. Even before last night's events, as it happens, he had been linked with a move to Limerick where, it was reported, he would have had a role in both the playing and administrative side of things. City, who will face a claim for the year Dolan had left on his contract, will have to name his replacement quickly if they are to avoid pre-season difficulties.



That last bit cought me there, he's a bit of a Maggie Tatcher of a manager isnt he?

Id rather be consistantly good with a chance of winning the league (say between 4th and 2nd) then 'boom and bust' like Pats (or Hibs :( )

[LFC in Exile]

but he probably wouldnt go fulltime with his butchers in Lim + he'd possibly have to move down here too. It would be a huge step for him + he cant really walk out of Limerick now, that would be bad form that only a boxers unsuccessful brother would do.

Well, when he went to City from Limerick he left us two weeks before the start of the season. So he "has form". This time he seems to have a stake in teh club so I think you can rule him out biys. :ball:

[thecorner]

just reading the echo and it seems georgie walked out half through last nights meeting

:confused: :confused:

[Dodge]

Welcome back, Dodge. ;)
Didn't go away peader, just decided it wasn't worth all the hassle posting here...

A couple of points

1) Didn't it turn out EXACTLY how we told you it would? Money problems, Dolan using others to make petty points, ending up with some fans believing him and some the club and a far from happy dismissal. Hopefully you won't still be arguing about it in 2 years time like us.

2) Pretty ballsy move by Lennox. Eanna above said no-one could argue he has the best interest of the club at heart but that doesn't mean he's capable of the job. This move will make or break him.

3) Rumour in da capital is that Lennox has already sounded out Roddy about moving down south. Alan Duncan (the p****) was brought into Pats by Dolan and now is a bigwig at Rovers, the talk is Dolan's PR skills are wanted by the rovers board to help win them the tallaght stadium.

4) to summarise point 1, I told you so :)

[James]

brian lennox speaking last night (http://corkcityfc.ie/audios/lennox8.mp3)

from corkcityfc.ie official site

hes gone
lets get on with supporting cork city
up the rebels

[Peadar]

3) Rumour in da capital is that Lennox has already sounded out Roddy about moving down south.
[/b]

That would be a nightmare!
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Stuart Ashton gets my vote, for now.

[Supersonic_779]

Richardson is quoted as now being interested in the job, having previously stated on Sunday that he would not talk about it while Dolan was in charge.

'Cork City's preparations for the new season were thrown into turmoil last night when manager Pat Dolan was sacked by club chairman Brian Lennox just two weeks before the start of the new season.'

'Dolan is said to have made efforts to resolve matters when he, Lennox and the players met on Friday morning but there were reports of further difficulties, which it seems culminated in last night's dramatic training ground dismissal.'

'Dolan's high spending was also a feature of his time at St Patrick's Athletic, but players who have worked with him have generally praised him for the professional way in which he manages team affairs. At Inchicore he also brought considerable success although his departure was followed by a financial crisis with many of the league winning team he had assembled departing.'

from www.Shedend.com


I'm not sure about the whole Rico appointment, whether or not he'll be any good, but we'll have to give him a chance.

[Éanna]

just reading the echo and it seems georgie walked out half through last nights meeting

:confused: :confused:
Yeah, I heard that last night. Still, it wouldn't be the first time that George has reacted to something, and then clamed down and changed his mind.

[jofyisgod]

Yeah, I heard that last night. Still, it wouldn't be the first time that George has reacted to something, and then clamed down and changed his mind.

True,wouldn't read much in to it.

If you can, listen to Lennox's interview on the website. Is it me or does Lennox sound like he's lording it over Pat now he's gone? I mean, i respect Lennox greatly, but this seems way too personal a decision for my liking...

[leesider]

does Dolan get a payoff from City as he had a year left in the contract?? If so how much?

[GavinZac]

does Dolan get a payoff from City as he had a year left in the contract?? If so how much?

either €80k or €160k, depending if im right about him having a 2 year pay-off clause

[yan]

it would depend on lennox's reasons for sackin him, he could state breach of contract or something, maybe for not turning up to meetings or something similiar--i dunno but i think lennox knew he was going to sack him and took the pay off into consideration so maybe he has something up his sleave!!! hopefully

afterall dolan could bankrupt the club if he does get the pay off!!!

[Éanna]

afterall dolan could bankrupt the club if he does get the pay off!!!
he would have done that soon enough anyway

[Thunderblaster]

Looking at Pat Dolan's sacking, it was a surprise and the reason for the sacking is deep rooted. Shelbourne is the best side in the country and Pat Fenlon is the best manager. Dolan could talk the talk (just read his stuff on The Star) but it is different to walk the walk. Pat Dolan would come across as an important director of a football club rather than a manager in my opinion. Cork City will just have to move on and Pat Dolan will be back at work somewhere, though I'm not sure about Limerick F.C. having the budget to meet his demands, unless they got a serious financial injection.

[Troy.McClure]

Is it me or does Lennox sound like he's lording it over Pat now he's gone? I mean, i respect Lennox greatly, but this seems way too personal a decision for my liking...

Probably just you Id say, I dont think Lennox saying twice that "Pat is a gent" would cut him deep :confused:

[Éanna]

There's a thread on the people's republic of cork website about Dolan's sacking. Some interesting comments on it.
see here (http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=34767&page=2&pp=10)

[dahamsta]

And this is in a new thread because...?

[adamd164]

"Added to the fact that Dolan and his buddy who helped the deal to bring Dolan to City were feeding an un-named webmaster info which was done to undermine Lennox." - taken from a post by 'Ooompa' on the PROC forum.

GavinZac? :confused: :D