Chelsea fans

[gspain]

Yet you do not believe The Soldiers Song to be - In terms of the lyrics is there any signifcant difference?



I guess you would also include

"Sheepshagger"
"Munich Scum"
"Scouse *******"

All examples of a derogatory term for opposing fans - all sectarian? :confused:

hun
(from the word 'Hanoverian' - protestant monarchy from Hanover, Germany who came to the British throne in 1714 with King George 1st, which in turn led to the Jacobite rebellion)

- sectarian

sheepshagger, munich scum etc are potentially offensive but not sectarian in anyway.

I don't consider TSS sectarian - it is our national anthem albeit in Irish. I don't know any lyrics in it that could be termed sectarian,

I really don't want to go down a rathole here.
I do consider IRA songs to be sectarian. I also consider the UVF/UDA/etc to be sectarian, The IRA murdered 704 civilians during the troubles presumably most of these were protestant. La Mon, Kingsmill etc. I appreciate both Republican and Loyalist terrorists do/did not consider themselves sectarian.

[anto1208]

[QUOTE=davros


Er,Misguided perhaps,but the team of choice of many of the Irish Diaspora......& many osc.Nationalists......thus some 'political' perspective;simple enough to understand?[/QUOTE]


yes i understand the link but what have songs about the ira got to do with a soccer team playing soccer ?how is there a link between terrorists and football teams ?? .
do some clubs sing songs about bin ladin ?

im irish does nt mean i have to be a bar stool rebublican .i dont feel just coz im irish i have to support celtic.

[Junior]

im irish does nt mean i have to be a bar stool rebublican .i dont feel just coz im irish i have to support celtic

Seriously anto, who has suggested that you have to be a bar stool republican or indeed a celtic supporter? Those voices in your head must be getting louder. Lose the chip or at least the paranoia, otherwise I'll begin to think you are a celtic fan ;)



hun
(from the word 'Hanoverian' - protestant monarchy from Hanover, Germany who came to the British throne in 1714 with King George 1st, which in turn led to the Jacobite rebellion)

- sectarian

sheepshagger, munich scum etc are potentially offensive but not sectarian in anyway.

Ahh, the old dictionary term for it, good answer. So I guess that makes any historian of the WW's, former soldiers etc... all sectarian bigots. Glad we are in good company then!

Hun = Derogatory slang term for Rangers Supporter. This supporter can be Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Black, White or Yellow, it does not matter as long as they are a Rangers Supporter.

From The Junior Dictionary of Footballing terminology :D



I don't consider TSS sectarian - it is our national anthem albeit in Irish. I don't know any lyrics in it that could be termed sectarian,


I agree, but what are the words in Sean South or Boys of the old Brigade that are sectarian then? enlighten me.

I also don't want to carry on this Celtic/Rangers discussion - this board has seen enough of it. Perhaps we should either bring the thread back on track or call it a day.

[anto eile]

Didn't realise we upset you so much don't think the good old Catholic management team of Jose and Stevie Clarke would be made welcome @ Ibrox, and maybe you would be surprised at the amount of Irish Chelsea fans out there, everyone is entitled to their opinion u make sure you get to the point of what you want to say !!!

I was at Cardiff on Sunday were you ?
The Liverpool fans did add colour and some atmosphere (was noted on the offical CFC chat) to the occassion........put us to shame after the game ??? But don't worry the Irish Chelsea support was well represented and I'm sure my flag wound up "the minority scum" (as some on here refer to them) as it was in a prime position to be seen by most of the Chelsea support........and acknowledged by Duffer and Stevie Clarke before the game....Roll on the Premiership

Looks like Duffer will be a thorn in your side for years to come he loves it at the Bridge and intends staying for the duration .....Keep the Blue flag flying High !!!

http://northcote0.tripod.com/cardiff/DCP_0122.JPG

yeah great to be proud of a an Irish Tricolor with chelsea written on it. dont suppose youev ever noticed any union jacks with shelborne etc on them?? :rolleyes:

[anto eile]

no idsea re an Irish accent and a Rangers shirt but in Shelbourne shirts the last lot of EL fans got very well treated at Ibrox.

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by the club. ask any shels fan how the huns treated them at prenton park youl get a totally diferent story. my mate was in prenton park for that game btw i know what im on about

[anto eile]

think you will find that the word hun was used by british soldiers in the war to describe the germans !!!!
ill accept that the songs are more irish republican songs than anti engliah but what the hell has irish republican songs got to do with a scotish soccer team ?

give over on the celtic fans are nt that bad there are just as bad as rangers fans if not even worse

to say rangers fans would attack you if they hear your accent or name is rubbish ive often been out on the **** in glasgow and met rangers fans and had a great time with them .

your point baout huns=germans in ww1 is irrelevant. i know that that term was used for the germans. but ww1 has nothing to do with the fact that rangers fans were given that name by an english paper after they ran amok in england!

[lopez]

If you want to know the real reason why it was because the kickoff for Tolka was moved to 12 noon by the guards and Shels would have lost a packet then. Rangers had 3 busloads travelling - only a handful of tickets sold here so in answer to yuor question - money.
Is that what the boys from OWM told you. And why was this so? So that the Guards could have an easy day? Every newspaper had it that the game was moved because of 'the threat of sectarian violence from Protestant Rangers supporters travelling south from Northern Ireland.' Apologies, but if you don't mind, this time I'll take their word for it. After the incident with the Scum two years previously, I guess no one was taking a chance. Money doesn't come into it unless you also take in the fact that the lack of sales could not, under any circumstance, be transferred to away supporters. And I don't for a minute believe that Shelbourne could not have filled their ground at twelve with supporters for a game with Rangers unless they were worried that these would be top heavy with supporters of other EL clubs with an unhealthy interest in the SPL.Whether they moved the kick-off to twelve or moved it to Liverpool, this 'threat of violence' was the major factor.

That game should have been played in Dublin. It would have gone off peacefully. rangers had restricted tickets anyway but then opened it up for Tranmere.When has any visit to the 26C by Rangers gone off peacefully in the past thirty years. Even Linfield have managed this feat. You do sometimes live in a parallel universe. The question here is, why have these games always had trouble? I mean Bohs (Twice), Dundalk, Shelbourne: They're not Celtic. Why has there been no corresponding trouble with Celtic when they visit England? OK, there was that trouble at Sunderland v Celtic a few years back when a bloke got his face slashed and that massive riot at Villa Park in the seventies. Hold on! Wasn't that Rangers? 'Bad as each other': Hate to see what Rangers have to do to make them the worst old firm supporters in your eyes. :rolleyes:

As for Edinburgh being a better place, I remember my last visit to Murrayfield in 1993 with Conchita and this bloke passed her side with his girlfriend as we were walking back into town, and every second word was 'Fenian'. No, these people aren't obsessive. Junior's right: Sectarianism (anti Irishness to be succinct) runs right through Scottish society. It is its (not so) secret shame, and isn't just confined to Rangers fans or those of Irish Unionist descent as the apologists love to spin.

hun
(from the word 'Hanoverian' - protestant monarchy from Hanover, Germany who came to the British throne in 1714 with King George 1st, which in turn led to the Jacobite rebellion)

- sectarian.
Are you quoting from a proper dictionary or making things up? Collins has it as 1. Member of several Asiatic nomadic peoples speaking Mongoloid or Turkic languages... 2. A derogatory name for German 3. A vandal. No mention of George I, 2 or 3 or sectarianism. Mind you, this dictionary is four years old which is nearly as old as Mark Walters getting a banana thrown at him.


Hearts are actually some of the most bigoted and nasty fans in Scotland.You've also forgotten Motherwell and the gone and forgotten Airdrieonians.

[gspain]

Gary, as far as I could make out it was fenian blood (but I could stand to be corrected.) It certainly doesn't change the sectarian bile that was coming from their fans or the Nazi salutes or the attack on the Irish club by their fans later that night.

Rangers fans without the bus fare is their affectionate nick name which neatly sums up how they have acted in the past.

I have to catch a coach so I'll have to get back to you about the rebel songs!

From http://www.jambofever.co.uk/custom.php?page=clubsongs&clubid=6

HELLO HELLO
Hello, Hello we are the Gorgie boys
Hello, Hello you'll know us by our noise
We're up to our knees in hibee blood
Surrender or you'll die
For we are the Gorgie bovver boys.


"huns without the busfare" is a Celtic term for Jambos and indeed Dundee & Airdrie fans.

No Nazi salutes or sectarian songs at either Tynecastle game I attended. Plenty of passion and hatred.

This may seem strange but I'm not bothered in the least by sectarian or offensive chanting unless it is Irish fans doing it as I feel it reflects on me too. Hence I'd enjoy an Old Firm game (only been to one) and not bother re the sectarianism however was disgusted by the booing of Rangers players at Lansdowne road and the "dirty proddie, hun bast^&d" terms used also.

[anto eile]

- IMO Quinn was only a disgrace in that he blamed Celtics Away support (of which he claimed he had no control as they were not ST holders :confused: )


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yet to get an away ticket for a Celtic game YOU MUST have a season ticket for Celtic Park!!!!

[anto eile]

Get A fecking Life :rolleyes: .......& edukation/spellchecker....FFS! :o
give over the spellchecking cr@p please.its pointless and petty

[anto eile]

hearts sing "Hello Hello we are the gorgie boys" but it does not mention fenian blood afaik. i think it is Hibee blood - not very nice I'll grant you. The Billy Boys is sectarian IMO.

I would consider IRA songs to be sectarian - The Boys of the old brigade. sean South, I consider the term "hun" to be sectarian and dirty orange b^&tards" to be sectarian.

The band on the pitch played both Sean South and the boys of the Old Brigade before Packie's testimonial.

before games at croke aprk the band plays sean south btw.
hun IS NOT sectarian FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hearts are nicknamed the mini-huns. theyre the next step up from rangers

[gspain]

Is that what the boys from OWM told you. And why was this so? So that the Guards could have an easy day? Every newspaper had it that the game was moved because of 'the threat of sectarian violence from Protestant Rangers supporters travelling south from Northern Ireland.' Apologies, but if you don't mind, this time I'll take their word for it. After the incident with the Scum two years previously, I guess no one was taking a chance. Money doesn't come into it unless you also take in the fact that the lack of sales could not, under any circumstance, be transferred to away supporters. And I don't for a minute believe that Shelbourne could not have filled their ground at twelve with supporters for a game with Rangers unless they were worried that these would be top heavy with supporters of other EL clubs with an unhealthy interest in the SPL.Whether they moved the kick-off to twelve or moved it to Liverpool, this 'threat of violence' was the major factor.
When has any visit to the 26C by Rangers gone off peacefully in the past thirty years. Even Linfield have managed this feat. You do sometimes live in a parallel universe. The question here is, why have these games always had trouble? I mean Bohs (Twice), Dundalk, Shelbourne: They're not Celtic. Why has there been no corresponding trouble with Celtic when they visit England? OK, there was that trouble at Sunderland v Celtic a few years back when a bloke got his face slashed and that massive riot at Villa Park in the seventies. Hold on! Wasn't that Rangers? 'Bad as each other': Hate to see what Rangers have to do to make them the worst old firm supporters in your eyes. :rolleyes:

As for Edinburgh being a better place, I remember my last visit to Murrayfield in 1993 with Conchita and this bloke passed her side with his girlfriend as we were walking back into town, and every second word was 'Fenian'. No, these people aren't obsessive. Junior's right: Sectarianism (anti Irishness to be succinct) runs right through Scottish society. It is its (not so) secret shame, and isn't just confined to Rangers fans or those of Irish Unionist descent as the apologists love to spin.

Are you quoting from a proper dictionary or making things up? Collins has it as 1. Member of several Asiatic nomadic peoples speaking Mongoloid or Turkic languages... 2. A derogatory name for German 3. A vandal. No mention of George I, 2 or 3 or sectarianism. Mind you, this dictionary is four years old which is nearly as old as Mark Walters getting a banana thrown at him.
You've also forgotten Motherwell and the gone and forgotten Airdrieonians.

Tickets were £25 each in 1998 - a blatant ripoff and only on sale in the Republic. rangers had very strict travel restrictions limited to season ticket holders who had attended another away game (can't rememeber which one).
Rangers had 3 buses filled and were only expecting to bring 250 fans. there were no tickets for Rangers fans in NI. I had arranged a ticket for a Rangers fan I've known for many years. He is a season ticket holder and a regular away fan and he could not get a ticket in Scotland. tickets were readily available for Tranmere.

Shels were not selling tickets well because of the price. The game was not officially moved to 12 noon but I was told it was a done deal and would have gone ahead with a small crowd. The live tv coverage on eurosport would also have been lost for a 12 noon game.

The guards did not move the game Shels did. There was subsequent trouble from Rangers fans in Tranmere.

I'm not trying to defend Rangers fans here. I know there is a scumbag trouble element. However I was not happy with the decision to move a home European tie out of the country.

The definition was one I picked up on the web d=from a previous debate. I think it came from an online dictionary - can't remember - I always thought it was a German term as well referring to the house of Hannover.

I think the sectarian problem is mainly a west of Scotland issue. The east of Scotland is much better. Based on personal observations but I've never lived in Scotland. I've visited both cities on at least 3 separate occasions since 1985.

[gspain]

before games at croke aprk the band plays sean south btw.
hun IS NOT sectarian FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hearts are nicknamed the mini-huns. theyre the next step up from rangers

Just because Sean South is played at Croke Park does not make it non sectarian.

I'll go back to the Panorama programme and the street interviews.

Which of these terms are offensive/sectarian

Fenian/Hun/tim

Some people - Hun is offensive/sectarian but Fenian/Tim just means a Celtic fans

Some people - Fenian/Tim is offensive and sectarian but Hun just means a Rangers fan.

Hearts and Hibs fans hate the Old Firm with a passion. Much as Old Firm fans liek to call them mini Huns and mini tims or Huns/Tims without the busfare there is a clear nationalist distinction. Hearts/Hibs fans support Scotland. The Old Frim has an England/Ireland dimension with the england shirts at Ibrox and the Celtic fans claiming to support us. This really really annoys fans of other scottish teams. Hibs fans sing "we hate Glasgow Rangers, we hate celtic too - they're sh1te...."

[anto1208]

I also don't want to carry on this Celtic/Rangers discussion - this board has seen enough of it. Perhaps we should either bring the thread back on track or call it a day.


there is a very simple solution to your problem : dont read or answer any posts in this tread . you have the power :D :D :D

just cos its been talked about before does nt mean that people that have missed that chat cant talk about it now

[anto1208]

before games at croke aprk the band plays sean south btw.
hun IS NOT sectarian FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hearts are nicknamed the mini-huns. theyre the next step up from rangers

in my opinion the term hun from a dictionary is not offensive but the way in which it is used to cause offence is .

example the word black isnt rasisit but put it with black b*****. it changes its meaning and make s it offensive . in the same way as a celtic fans shouting you dirty orange hun b****** is offensive to people ,so they should nt do it and the old they do it too arguement is a bit childish .

[madjack]

yeah great to be proud of a an Irish Tricolor with chelsea written on it. dont suppose youev ever noticed any union jacks with shelborne etc on them?? :rolleyes:
:mad: keep politics out of sport lads for fooks sake, theres no joy in it.

[Cosmo]

anyone see the 'no surrender' flag the sheffield united supporters had infront of their kop V arsenal ? :confused: :confused:

Also heard Chelsea had a couple of 'no surrender' flags in cardiff

[lopez]

What? No personal insults today? A post devoid of any comments about me? One small step in the world of mature debate...

It may be 18 years old, but I note the Mark Walters incident never ceases to amuse you. Go on, tell us how seriously Celtic fans take it again, and go make another wisecrack about it then...suuuuuuuuuure you take it seriously...Conor, go on! Tell us that story again about Mark Walters. What was thrown at him? A banana?

Mature debate? When it comes to Celtic you wouldn't know it if it was a banana hitting the back of your head. For the rest of those reading perhaps people should look at the views of an organisation like Anti Fascist Action to see what they see in the general difference between the fans of Celtic and Rangers, or in fact Leeds come to that.

BTW - for those like Anto1208 who have just joined the debate - did anyone hear about Mark Walters getting a banana thrown at him in 1987? :rolleyes:

[4tothefloor]

This thread is titled 'Chelsea fans', yet after two pages it turns into Celtic v Rangers. I'm sorry now I even mentioned Glasgow Rangers in my post. This thread is as bad as the Everton\Liverpool\Catholic\Protestant thread. What a load of bo**ocks. :rolleyes:

[sylvo]

What? No personal insults today? A post devoid of any comments about me? One small step in the world of mature debate...

It may be 18 years old, but I note the Mark Walters incident never ceases to amuse you. Go on, tell us how seriously Celtic fans take it again, and go make another wisecrack about it then...suuuuuuuuuure you take it seriously...


Every time this subject turns up I always think of the movie Groundhog day, which was on the telly the other night funny enough.

You know by now how seriously Celtic fans took this incident its been told to you a thousand times :rolleyes: , they took it so seriously that fans have made sure that no black player has had to put up with that kind of carry on since, its a shame your club and its fans couldn't show the same actions when some of your so called international superstars tried to kick a young asian lad to death.

I wonder what action you took when some of your fellow Leeds fans turned up on the front pages of papers decked out in KKK gear.

Anyway you were saying about Mark Walters, did you have any other information about the incident that can shed any more light on what happened.

[Jim Smith]

Glad too see Airdrie get a mention...
I'd be happier if they never got mentioned ever again. A more disgusting team you'll never meet. If ever there was a subject for a documentary its Airdrie United FC.

[lopez]

I'd be happier if they never got mentioned ever again. A more disgusting team you'll never meet. If ever there was a subject for a documentary its Airdrie United FC.I thought they went out of business (apologies for my lack of interest in the SPL)? Did like their shirt though.

Every time this subject turns up I always think of the movie Groundhog day, which was on the telly the other night funny enough.You're so right, hombre. Celtic on this board is exactly like that, but without the 'I've Got You Babe' by Sonny & Cher. Same old arguments. And as 4tothefloor rightly says: Same old cojones. :rolleyes:

[liam88]

re. Soldiers song vs Boys of the Old Brigade- 'Saxon foe'?? Sureley just as 'secaterian' as singing about Mick Collins/Kevin Barry's IRA....

Could see there being more trouble at Celtic vs Chelsea than Celtic vs Huns as it would not have the same control and the headhunters (facist filth) would realise ti was their one chance to get a crack at us........
They never try and distance themselves from Ulster-looking at an article about football holliganism in Nuts today and noticed their logo (HH not Nuts) has the red hand/6 pointed star/crown at the top! Above thier jack or sjc or even their pretty little skull and crossbones :rolleyes:

Cosnider Hearts 'up to our necks in Catholic blood' very offensive....I'm sure the Protestant Celtic fans arn't keen on it either......that's right Protestant Celtic fans.......we wern't the ones with a secaterian signing policy :D :ball:

[Duncan Gardner]

Could see there being more trouble at Celtic vs Chelsea than Celtic vs Huns as it would not have the same control and the headhunters (facist filth) would realise ti was their one chance to get a crack at us........
They never try and distance themselves from Ulster-looking at an article about football holliganism in Nuts today and noticed their logo (HH not Nuts) has the red hand/6 pointed star/crown at the top! Above thier jack or sjc or even their pretty little skull and crossbones

Evidence? The Old Firm is a major event with likely public disorder. Celtic- Chelsea would be a summer friendly like the Fulham games last year. Er, why should they distance themselves from Ireland? Celtic don't...

what did you expect at a chelsea game the headhunters are one of the worst firms about really hate filled morons

I was a regular at Chelsea from 1985-94 and never met anyone claiming to be a 'headhunter'. I think most would agree that the atmosphere at Stamford Bridge now is at least no worse than it was then.

I couldn't understand why any Irish fans would support Chelsea, as they are basically the Glasgow Rangers of the premiership. They are a horrible club, not only their fans, but also their manager and their general attitude. They continue to prove it at all levels, most recently in Barcelona and in Cardiff. I hate seeing Duffer playing for them

Yawn. Tens of thousands of Irish fans support Rangers, and quite a few of them Chelsea (not all at the same time). How exactly does their 'horribleness' (some of which I'd accept) distinguish them from many other clubs to the extent that you're amazed at their support? Is McLeish, or Mourinho, some sort of social deviant? Or really, as I guess, are you so narrow-minded that anything remotely linked to in opposition with C*t*c, even very spuriously as here, is automatically bad? Or that anything outside the 26 is by definition un-Irish? I can see why you **** off the northern and expat crowds so much...

BTW, did ye notice how lifeless, how colourless and how mundane the Chelsea supporters were in Cardiff on Sunday?

No, I thought both sets of fans were pretty similar.

try open your mouth with an irish accent at ibrox,even in a hun shirt ,see if you get out alive and well. do the same at stamford brigde you wont be very welcome in many parts of the ground.the irish chelsea supporters club complained in the evil herald a few months ago that the club often situate them next to the chelsea loyalist mob.however ive no sympathy for these people,they shouldnt be following a horrible notorious racist club like chelsea anyway

This is a huge exaggeration from one or two incidents. A moment's thought would show its absurdity; thousands travel from Ireland to Ibrox for every game; Chelsea have always drawn support from the (largely Irish) working-class communities in south London. Chelsea have not been notoriously racist since the 1980s, when black players were sadly, and routinely abused. I saw Keith Dublin playing non-League last season, btw. He is now about 39 and looks like George Foreman's elder brother...

Yourself and Gspain are just 2 on here who often trot out the 'they are just as bad as each other line' and it grates with me...I object to the simplistic & ignorant view that we are both as bad as each other trotted out by... those who just don't care enough to ascertain the truth on the subject

Steady. Many who make this argument are likely to know, and care, as much as you do, and maybe even more so. I grew up by a Belfast interface; I've seen many there, then and since, using the Old Firm as sources of identity and justifications for sectarian violence; I've watched their games on TV over 30 years. Only the other day I was talking to (an admittedly small sample of three) Partick fans who were adamant that they are basically two sides of the same coin.

But for all that, I can live with their fans' insistence on arguing the toss. Just get a room or something?

Heard a funny story - told by Jerry Kilburn himself - about the time he spotted 'Duffer' coming out of SB. 'Oright Duffer' he goes then behind him were these c*nts from the O6C who started singing 'No Surrender!' JK done a rambo and steamed into them. Sounds great, although about as much an urban myth

If it's mythical, does that make them not c*nts then?

You might also note that many great republican ballads are in fact praising great protestants of the past. Sectarian indeed

Folk songs about Billy Orange or Theo Wolfe are harmless enough in most cases. Limiting sectarianism to only overt references to another religion is wrong because it's limiting. The NI conflict is about nationality, not religion.

Comparing 'like' with like is a misnomer...dont think there are too many BNP sympathisers @ Celtic Pk... Or fascists either

Indeed, they're a minority of thugs. Similarly, you won't find many Sinn Fein/ IRA members or Colombian paramilitaries holding season tickets at Ibrox.

It's a poor reflection on the ignorance of many on this MB/Irish society that you cant be a 'Prod' Nationalist ...just as there are catholic 'unionists'

No, it merely reflects that although the conflict is about nationality, religion acts as a broad guide to national identity.

I would consider IRA songs to be sectarian - The Boys of the old brigade. Sean South

Indeed. Sean South (a real incident within living memory for many) is seen as more sectarian by unionists than the Soldiers' Song, a deliberately unspecific rallying call.

No-one says any Irish person has to be a Republican/support Celtic

Some on this thread say they can't understand any Irish person supporting Chelsea. Their reasoning seems to be,

a) Chelsea are similar to and linked with Rangers

b) who are rivals to Celtic

c) thus Chelsea are rivals to Celtic

d) who are the only half of the Old Firm appropriate for Irish fans to support.

e) Zzzzz....

[Cosmo]

Duncan Gardner, are the 'no surrender' flags that were spotted in cardiff regularly brought to chelsea matches? Not stirring it, just curious cos you'd regularly see them at england away matches :confused:

[4tothefloor]

Yawn. Tens of thousands of Irish fans support Rangers, and quite a few of them Chelsea (not all at the same time). How exactly does their 'horribleness' (some of which I'd accept) distinguish them from many other clubs to the extent that you're amazed at their support?..

Their anti-irishness. Very simple really.


Or really, as I guess, are you so narrow-minded that anything remotely linked to in opposition with C*t*c, even very spuriously as here, is automatically bad? Or that anything outside the 26 is by definition un-Irish?

Well you guess wrong (what a surprise...) What are you on about? I have no time for Celtic, I don't like them at all.....You're the one linking Celtic to Ireland, I'm Irish yet I have no link to, or like for Celtic. Good man Duncan :rolleyes:


I can see why you **** off the northern and expat crowds so much...

What the f**k are you on about here? Who out of all the 'northern and expat crowds' do I p*ss off so much? You? Stop talking crap.


Some on this thread say they can't understand any Irish person supporting Chelsea. Their reasoning seems to be,

a) Chelsea are similar to and linked with Rangers

b) who are rivals to Celtic

c) thus Chelsea are rivals to Celtic

d) who are the only half of the Old Firm appropriate for Irish fans to support.

No offence, but that logic is retarded.....You're putting in a lot of 'yawns' in your posts - maybe you're falling asleep and not reading the thread properly? :p

[wexfordclockend]

Chelsea headhunters are the media myth of football hooligans always involved in newspaper hogging antics,smashing shoping centres beating up old ladies, and singing / anti Irish / catholic songs/ Landsdowne Road 95 / Hitler worship.

As anyone in the know will tell you the headhunters are regarded as a joke in these kind of circles, hence the publicity they need to continue this myth.

Complete muppets Fans club & their robbing shyster owner alike :D

[Green Tribe]

i think the showdowns between dunc & dav are just hilarious :D keep it up! Actually i think you both would make a great double act, like ant&dec :eek:
= Dunc & Dav

tee hee :D :D :D

[JoeSemi]

[b]BTW, did ye notice how lifeless, how colourless and how mundane the Chelsea supporters were in Cardiff on Sunday?

No, I thought both sets of fans were pretty similar.



Dunno were you at the game Duncan, but there was a distinct difference between the colour and support shown by both sets of fans reflected in an entry into the Guinness Book of Records for Liverpool's. The array of songs sung by Liverpool supporters are second to none for their wit and intelligence-and the full repertoire rang loudest in Cardiff. I'd love to share some with you Duncan but the effect of them might be lost through this medium. Let's say there are songs for at least 12 members of last weeks 16 and we're not just talking of chanting a players name either.

The crap that came from the other end was the same drivel Chelsea fans have "sung" for years. We got a "Super, super Frank... super Frankie Lampard", "Blue is The Colour", some "carefree wherever we maybe" boll**ks (which was changed accordingly by the Red end; lyrics on request!) and the very catcy "Chelsea, Chelsea , Chelsea" number.

There's no point in me starting on the difference in humour and originality of banners and flags flying at both ends. The blue sh*te seemed to be trying to set a record for the number of George's flags and Union Jacks defacing the beautiful Millenium Stadium; whereas at the other end Liverpool fans again showed more inventiveness and charm than the whole of London could shake a stick at.

[4tothefloor]

Dunno were you at the game Duncan, but there was a distinct difference between the colour and support shown by both sets of fans reflected in an entry into the Guinness Book of Records for Liverpool's. The array of songs sung by Liverpool supporters are second to none for their wit and intelligence-and the full repertoire rang loudest in Cardiff. I'd love to share some with you Duncan but the effect of them might be lost through this medium. Let's say there are songs for at least 12 members of last weeks 16 and we're not just talking of chanting a players name either.

The crap that came from the other end was the same drivel Chelsea fans have "sung" for years. We got a "Super, super Frank... super Frankie Lampard", "Blue is The Colour", some "carefree wherever we maybe" boll**ks (which was changed accordingly by the Red end; lyrics on request!) and the very catcy "Chelsea, Chelsea , Chelsea" number.

There's no point in me starting on the difference in humour and originality of banners and flags flying at both ends. The blue sh*te seemed to be trying to set a record for the number of George's flags and Union Jacks defacing the beautiful Millenium Stadium; whereas at the other end Liverpool fans again showed more inventiveness and charm than the whole of London could shake a stick at.

Spot on. Now Dunc put that in your pipe and smoke it, and while your at it, take off the blue tinted glasses ;)

[Green Tribe]

....even saw him tapping his ('masonic'?) foot in time to the Celtic songs! :eek:
Btw,DG already is a 'double' act......well in the context of Sunday dinners! ;)


Ha ha ha, he is going to kick your @rse..... :D :D :D

[liam88]

he has been to 2 Ireland & one Celtic game in the last 9 months.....even saw him tapping his ('masonic'?) foot in time to the Celtic songs! :eek: We must attempt to attract a 'better class of person'! :D

Played my Bhodran as well :D DG is the man! :)

[Green Tribe]

Funky Dunc :D

[gspain]

Dunno were you at the game Duncan, but there was a distinct difference between the colour and support shown by both sets of fans reflected in an entry into the Guinness Book of Records for Liverpool's. The array of songs sung by Liverpool supporters are second to none for their wit and intelligence-and the full repertoire rang loudest in Cardiff. I'd love to share some with you Duncan but the effect of them might be lost through this medium. Let's say there are songs for at least 12 members of last weeks 16 and we're not just talking of chanting a players name either.

The crap that came from the other end was the same drivel Chelsea fans have "sung" for years. We got a "Super, super Frank... super Frankie Lampard", "Blue is The Colour", some "carefree wherever we maybe" boll**ks (which was changed accordingly by the Red end; lyrics on request!) and the very catcy "Chelsea, Chelsea , Chelsea" number.

There's no point in me starting on the difference in humour and originality of banners and flags flying at both ends. The blue sh*te seemed to be trying to set a record for the number of George's flags and Union Jacks defacing the beautiful Millenium Stadium; whereas at the other end Liverpool fans again showed more inventiveness and charm than the whole of London could shake a stick at.

Let me guess who you support? :D

I was at the rugby and only saw extra time live and the highlights but no obvious difference in the fans.

With all due respects it was hardly the same for both sets of fans anyway. This was a huge game for Liverpool and a fair better chance of European football than having to slog it through the Inter Toto. Although it was a trophy for Chelsea they have far bigger fish to fry.

No doubt Millwall were more passionate at Cardiff last year too.

[liam88]

Albeit,in the manner of the Lambeg........ :eek:
Saw that one coming....... :D
Nah pparrently he ain't into that-never played the flute neither :D

[JoeSemi]

Let me guess who you support? :D

I was at the rugby and only saw extra time live and the highlights but no obvious difference in the fans.

With all due respects it was hardly the same for both sets of fans anyway. This was a huge game for Liverpool and a fair better chance of European football than having to slog it through the Inter Toto. Although it was a trophy for Chelsea they have far bigger fish to fry.

No doubt Millwall were more passionate at Cardiff last year too.

There's something called characterless and Chelsea fans epitomised that. Yes, I am a Liverpool fan, but I'll be the first to admit as far as character goes Manure fans are on an even keel. There's a thing called a proud history which is displayed in the songs and banners of clubs such as Liverpool and Utd. Sadly, Chelsea don't have this(yet) and that was reflected in their support in Cardiff.

I don't buy the fact that it was a bigger game for Liverpool. If Chelsea had lost their season was on a slippery slope. Mourinho's actions indicated as much I think. :cool:

[lopez]

Heard a funny story - told by Jerry Kilburn himself - about the time he spotted 'Duffer' coming out of SB. 'Oright Duffer' he goes then behind him were these c*nts from the O6C who started singing 'No Surrender!' JK done a rambo and steamed into them. Sounds great, although about as much an urban myth[/b]

If it's mythical, does that make them not c*nts then?Hmmm! Was thinking about the 'done a rambo and steamed into them' being a myth. As for the bit about 'c*nts from the O6C'? Do you think that is as implausible as the 30st bloke and the dwarf, or indeed man walking on the moon?


Or really, as I guess, are you so narrow-minded that anything remotely linked to in opposition with C*t*c, even very spuriously as here, is automatically bad? Or that anything outside the 26 is by definition un-Irish? I can see why you **** off the northern and expat crowds so much...
Dunno what 4totheflor has done to **** off the 'expat crowds' although the 'anything outside the 26 is by definition un-Irish' could be directed at a number of people on this site (4tothe floor, apologies, but I DON'T see you on my W*nkers list). To be fair, it doesn't take much to **** off many of the British community in Ireland. One single tricolour, three nights of rioting circa 1964. C'mon on now Dunc: Stop masquerading as an eejit who is in reality quite savvy (as opposed to Connor 74).

i think the showdowns between dunc & dav are just hilarious :D keep it up! Actually i think you both would make a great double act, like ant&dec :eek:
= Dunc & Dav One night in a pub in Kilburn I turned round and witnessed Dav had his arm round the great man. It was kinda surreal bearing in mind what goes on here.

Dunno were you at the game Duncan...Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, f*cking blah. Good luck to Rafa, Morientes y Xavi cuando se vuelva. Good to see mis compadres show up the 'greatest league on earth'. :rolleyes:

[Junior]

Hey, check the thread, Lopez brought it up. As I pointed out, clearly the Walters incident is a source of great amusement to him. In fairness to him he didn't bother attempting to deny it, or do the whole 'hey, one of my friends is black' routine...

To be fair Conor, genrerally it is YOU that brings the issue up, for cheap point scoring purposes. Perhaps you're just a tad annoyed that you weren't quick enough on the keyboard this time.

ahh well I'm sure there will be plenty more opportunities for you.

[lopez]

Hey, check the thread, Lopez brought it up...Nice weekend Connor? Actually Junior mentioned it first, but I guess he did that because he knew it wouldn't be long before you got in there. :rolleyes:

...As I pointed out, clearly the Walters incident is a source of great amusement to him...What is clearly a great source of amusement and irony, to more than just me is that you keep bringing Walters and bananas up whenever Celtic are mentioned.

...In fairness to him he didn't bother attempting to deny it, or do the whole 'hey, one of my friends is black' routine...Didn't I? :confused: Oh I'm sorry: Especially for you mate, some of my friends are black. :rolleyes: Must remember that in future. Might even have it as my signature. Didn't Jackie Healy Rae once say that?

[Duncan Gardner]

couldn't understand why any Irish fans would support Chelsea, as they are basically the Glasgow Rangers of the premiership. They are a horrible club, not only their fans, but also their manager and their general attitude. They continue to prove it at all levels, most recently in Barcelona and in Cardiff. I hate seeing Duffer playing for them

Not much evidence of their general anti-Irishness, Four, is it? They have a minority of thuggish fans with involved in hooliganism and with links to crime/ paramilitarism. And a much larger group of fans both in Ireland and among local Irish communities in London, as I mentioned. Mourinho's a bit of a div but hardly anti-Irish. Chelsea as a business will just treat Ireland- like anywhere else- as a market and maybe site for nursery club(s).

Well you guess wrong (what a surprise...) What are you on about? I have no time for Celtic, I don't like them at all.....You're the one linking Celtic to Ireland...what the f**k are you on about here? Who out of all the 'northern and expat crowds' do I p*ss off so much? You?

My apologies, Four. I didn't read through all your 600+ posts and just guessed a particular bias from your "they are basically the Glasgow Rangers of the Premiership". For all I know you may have an encyclopedic knowledge of Rangers, Chelsea and their respective premierships. I accept you are entirely separate from the Northern and expat baiters I mentioned- though they don't irritate me as much as some, thanks for asking.

No offence, but that logic is retarded

None taken, but that's not much of an answer, is it? Tell us why it's retarded, eh?

are the 'no surrender' flags that were spotted in cardiff regularly brought to chelsea matches?

I've seen them on TV, but in grounds all over England. They were prominent at Sheff Utd v Arsenal. (Haven't been to Chelsea regularly since the mid-90s I'm afraid).

With the exception of what you said above,this 'synopsis' contains the usual fallacies & half-baked 'theories'

Explain why they're fallacious or partly cooked then, Einstein?

i think the showdowns between dunc & dav are just hilarious keep it up! Actually i think you both would make a great double act, like ant&dec

Thanks KT- though our material might be a bit one-paced. BTW, am I right in thinking you had a date with the big man at the last Old Firm? If so, any chance of getting him a one-way ticket?

Dunno were you at the game Duncan?

No, I watched on TV. I take your point though. Last time I was there- Wales v NI- I was nearly deafened. Though, since we had about 5,000 fans and the Welsh 60,000, I'll concede that they may have made as much noise as we did. And that their songs were probably as inventive as ours. Send me an email or sound clip of those Liverpool songs, if you like.

Chelsea's hardcore in the 80s and 90s was smaller than many. In 1994, they played a rearranged league game against Coventry the midweek after a cup tie with Wolves. There were about 9,000 there.

he has been to 2 Ireland & one Celtic game in the last 9 months.....even saw him tapping his ('masonic'?) foot in time to the Celtic songs!

Aye, I enjoyed the Fulham- Celtic game. Highlights included Neil Lennon coming over to sign autographs at half -time. He was greeted with "sit down ye orange cnut!" from the general Davros direction. The big man also had an extended exchange of repartee with the ref and near-side linesman during the first half.

Spot on. Now Dunc put that in your pipe and smoke it, and while your at it, take off the blue tinted glasses

Only if you take the beam from your eye first.

Played ma Bhodran as well DG is the man!

If Liam can play, respect. I believe it's very difficult to learn. When the Rolling Stones played Slane way back, the Chieftains tried to teach Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts.

There's a thing called a proud history which is displayed in the songs and banners of clubs such as Liverpool and Utd. Sadly, Chelsea don't have this(yet) and that was reflected in their support in Cardiff

Chelsea celebrate their centenary this season. Ill-informed, patronising nonsense...

I don't buy the fact that it was a bigger game for Liverpool. If Chelsea had lost their season was on a slippery slope. Mourinho's actions indicated as much I think

You what? They would still have been six points clear with a game in hand! You're using Mourinho's eccentricity and bad behavior to justify a rant. Concentrate on catching Everton and staying ahead of the pack?

Hmmm! Was thinking about the 'done a rambo and steamed into them' being a myth. As for the bit about 'c*nts from the O6C'? Do you think that is as implausible as the 30st bloke and the dwarf, or indeed man walking on the moon?

No, I was merely guessing that if one half of the story's mythical, then the other might be too...

C'mon on now Dunc: Stop masquerading as an eejit who is in reality quite savvy (as opposed to Connor 74)

Mistaken identity as I explain above. Harsh on the Kerryman!

Good luck to Rafa, Morientes y Xavi cuando se vuelva

Did a double-take there, I thought you were calling Xavi Alonso a cnut...I thought he was their best player until his injury. Didn't Lampard take him out with a bad tackle? Oh well, back to the Spanish phrase book when I've done with the Polish. Volver a empezar...

[lopez]

[Good luck to Rafa, Morientes y Xavi cuando se vuelva

Did a double-take there, I thought you were calling Xavi Alonso a cnut...I thought he was their best player until his injury. Didn't Lampard take him out with a bad tackle? Oh well, back to the Spanish phrase book when I've done with the Polish. Volver a empezar...Being a bit flash I'm afraid there with my subjunctive :eek: (I'm a 'my glass is half empty' pessimist). Just in case his career is finished. BTW, you must remember Xavi's old man from your famous win in Valencia?

[Duncan Gardner]

Hola Senor. Aye, I remember Alonso but didn't realise they were related.

[SÓC]

It is amazing the reaction fisty cuffs in Ireland gets at matches, the outrage in some "papers" over it is amazing.

I often wonder do the Irish meeja honestly not know what happens at English games or do they just ignore it because it will take away from their built up hype.

Remember being in Cardiff for the Carling Cup final last season (Bolton and Boro). Fans were mingling freely in some parts of the city centre, near the stadium but in other parts of the City they were having running battles tearing the crap out of each other. Didnt see it reported in any media over here, nor in Wales for that matter, not even the Echo ffs

[Green Tribe]

[Thanks KT- though our material might be a bit one-paced. BTW, am I right in thinking you had a date with the big man at the last Old Firm? If so, any chance of getting him a one-way ticket?

..

yes, indeed, did meet the big man, was not at the game though. Nice to see who i am arguing with ;) :D :D :D
as for a o/w ticket, do u not think there would be civil war up here if he came for good ha ha ;)

[Jim Smith]

I thought they went out of business (apologies for my lack of interest in the SPL)? Did like their shirt though.

A bit late on this (work :( ) and going against my wishes never to speak of them but yes they did go out of business as Ardrie. When they were told that they would have to reapply and start again in the Scottish 3rd the new owners bought Clydebank FC changed the name to Ardrie United and relocated the club. So not only do they have probably the most bigoted fans in Scotland (and that is saying something), they stole another town's football team :eek:

[sylvo]

Hey, check the thread, Lopez brought it up. As I pointed out, clearly the Walters incident is a source of great amusement to him. In fairness to him he didn't bother attempting to deny it, or do the whole 'hey, one of my friends is black' routine...

To back up what Junior said, it was only a matter of time before yer good self brought up the subject.

I know for a fact that one of Lopez's mate's from around his yard in Irish/Spanish Harlem Hempsted is in fact Black, even went with him to the Unity Cup.

Hey another mystery sorted. ;)

[4tothefloor]

My apologies, Four. I didn't read through all your 600+ posts and just guessed a particular bias from your "they are basically the Glasgow Rangers of the Premiership". For all I know you may have an encyclopedic knowledge of Rangers, Chelsea and their respective premierships. I accept you are entirely separate from the Northern and expat baiters I mentioned- though they don't irritate me as much as some, thanks for asking....

Apology accepted


No offence, but that logic is retarded
None taken, but that's not much of an answer, is it? Tell us why it's retarded, eh?

As what Davros said.

[lopez]

Hola Senor. Aye, I remember Alonso but didn't realise they were related.Looked more like you than Xavi. Played alongside my namesake in Donostia.

I starting to get worried about Lopez... (http://www.abook4all.com/images/an%20indecent%20obsession.jpeg)Hmmmm. A fan of the Thorn Birds are we?

Anyway, any 'jokes' about blacks or Asians for us?Yes thanks!

...When they were told that they would have to reapply and start again in the Scottish 3rd the new owners bought Clydebank FC changed the name to Ardrie United and relocated the club.
So they did a Brooklyn Dodgers/Wimbledon. :mad:

...So not only do they have probably the most bigoted fans in Scotland (and that is saying something)...They must be f*cking bad.

...I know for a fact that one of Lopez's mate's from around his yard in Irish/Spanish Harlem Hempsted is in fact Black, even went with him to the Unity Cup.Awwww shucks. You've blown my cover. I was keen on stringing along Aldino(??)98 and Conor with their theories of my fashism/rarcism (sic.). Not even a denial that N was nothing more than my butler will undo the damage that you've done. :( BTW, I know Aldino's 98 stands for the year he was born but what's the 74 for, Conor? The number that that dodgy American IQ site gave you. Oh dear, while Sylvo hit home with references to the blokes taking on half of Istanbul and me causing a bit of a stir with Mark Walters and his bananas, you're completely missing the spot with me with some book about priests that can't keep their paws of women. Shall I give you a clue about my achilles heel? It's what you used to call Silvio Dante - rather below the belt it seemed in retrospect - when you two quarrelled over Celtic. The name begins with a B, ends with a T and rhymes with a three letter word that sums you up just perfectly.

[caino]

People like that who get angry and abusive over someone else wearing the opposite colours is so stupid and pathetic. I dont understand why people cant go to footy matches and just enjoy seeing the beautifull game being played especially by 2 outstanding teams, thats what footy is all about, enjoy yourself no matter where it is being played or who the 2 teams are.

[Pat O' Banton]

I know for a fact that one of Lopez's mate's from around his yard in Irish/Spanish Harlem Hempsted is in fact Black, even went with him to the Unity Cup.



... and he didn't even say that his mates had natural rhythm or anyother similar comments.