Investigation into Bray-Waterford Friendly [Archive]

ToberonaTornado

13/09/2017, 9:25 PM

CorribsideSteve

13/09/2017, 9:49 PM

Every time I think the League is starting to turn a corner, it reveals itself as a worn out hacky joke that's far from funny :disdain::think:.

sbgawa

13/09/2017, 10:00 PM

I did do a double take when I saw the result....

redarmyfaction

13/09/2017, 10:09 PM

The problem here is that the betting market showed clearly that the game was fixed. Odds were ridiculous.

What is the proof of irregular betting patterns on the match, does anybody have any idea?

total hoofball

13/09/2017, 10:11 PM

"Upon the receipt of a complaint" - interesting, the scoreline looked daft even for a friendly considering the strength of both lineups. If there's irregular betting patterns identified then the LOI has another explosive scandal that not even the PFAI can try to bury their heads in the sand over.

littlebray

13/09/2017, 10:15 PM

If there's irregular betting ...

With three men and a dog present, was there betting at all??? Even occasional, never mind regular ...

On second thoughts, look at the teams, substitutions etc. (They're here (http://www.braywanderers.com/reports.php?game=1612) for anyone who hasn't seen them.)

How could you plan to fix a match under those circumstances?

PS Sorry, I haven't been able to discover who had the whistle.

osarusan

13/09/2017, 10:16 PM

What was the score in the game?

ToberonaTornado

13/09/2017, 10:20 PM

What was the score in the game?

Bray 0 Waterford 5

osarusan

13/09/2017, 10:23 PM

Hopefully there is a sh!tstorm surrounding Bray which is a distraction for them on Friday night.

littlebray

13/09/2017, 10:33 PM

Club statement tonight:

Bray Wanderers FC Club Statement

Bray Wanderers FC wish to acknowledge that they are aware of an investigation by An Garda Siochana into a recent fixture involving the Club. We are cooperating fully and will be making no further comment until the investigation is completed and we have been presented with the findings. Ends

Club seems to contradict the FAI statement, saying the Garda� (not the FAI) are investigating - or else they're ignoring the FAI probe and cooperating with the fuzz. Intriguing.

Nothing from Waterford so far.

**FrOsTy**

13/09/2017, 11:02 PM

Doubt there will be anything from Waterford.

I'm told that we aren't been investigated, so we won't be making any comment on the matter.

peadar1987

13/09/2017, 11:24 PM

Oh for...

EatYerGreens

13/09/2017, 11:35 PM

With three men and a dog present, was there betting at all??? Even occasional, never mind regular ...

On second thoughts, look at the teams, substitutions etc. (They're here (http://www.braywanderers.com/reports.php?game=1612) for anyone who hasn't seen them.)

How could you plan to fix a match under those circumstances?

PS Sorry, I haven't been able to discover who had the whistle.

I know nothing about this fixture, but the issue with the gambling isn't who's at the game, it's betting done online - usually in different countries.

I've no idea if a fixture like that would have registered on the radar of betting companies though.

Longfordian

13/09/2017, 11:57 PM

Is there any video footage of the game? I'm assuming there's not and as that appears to be the key evidence for the FAI, my hunch is that the investigation won't turn up anything.

Charlie Darwin

14/09/2017, 2:52 AM

With three men and a dog present, was there betting at all??? Even occasional, never mind regular ...

On second thoughts, look at the teams, substitutions etc. (They're here (http://www.braywanderers.com/reports.php?game=1612) for anyone who hasn't seen them.)

How could you plan to fix a match under those circumstances?

PS Sorry, I haven't been able to discover who had the whistle.
Paula Brady by the looks of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahW9qGD52Tw

Also has four of the goals.

White Horse

14/09/2017, 7:16 AM

Garda� visited a Bray Wanderers training session on Tuesday night as part of an ongoing investigation into allegations of match fixing surrounding a friendly match played last week.
The Seagulls faced Waterford on Friday, as both clubs had no competitive match due to the FAI Cup quarter-finals, with the First Division club recording a 5-0 rout.
The FAI last night confirmed that they had launched their own investigation into the alleged match-fixing.

As part of their enquiries, garda� arrived at the Carlisle Grounds to speak with relevant parties and the scheduled training session didn't go ahead. The Seagulls insisted they are assisting the authorities with the investigation.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/garda-visit-bray-wanderers-training-session-as-part-of-investigation-into-matchfixing-allegations-36130528.html

A humiliating development for LOI football.

greywanderer

14/09/2017, 7:54 AM

Hopefully the garda can get some answers on why the players are playing so badly lately, it really is criminal how bad they are at the moment, obviously Harry can't get through to the players.

osarusan

14/09/2017, 8:20 AM

That cat looks guilty as hell, definitely in on it.

sbgawa

14/09/2017, 9:00 AM

Paula Brady by the looks of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahW9qGD52Tw

Also has four of the goals.

Firstly isn't it great to see a young kid like that so passionate about his local team THATS what makes the league special.

second....Bray defending was woeful first two looked like they were teeing them up for Waterford, but with anything is it it just bad play or criminal....hard to call.

Mr A

14/09/2017, 10:24 AM

I think it's very clear that the FAI should relegate Bray and block Waterford's promotion, hence meaning only the bottom team goes down this year.

DannyInvincible

14/09/2017, 11:38 AM

http://sseairtricityleague.ie/news/statement-on-bray-wanderers-fc/id-1063

"The Football Association of Ireland has launched an investigation into alleged match-fixing surrounding the friendly match between Bray Wanderers FC and Waterford FC on Friday, September 8 at the Carlisle Grounds.Upon receipt of a complaint the FAI notified An Garda Siochanna and the Association has now launched an investigation into alleged breaches of FAI Rules.
The FAI has a zero tolerance policy to match-fixing."

Who would have made the complaint? Could anyone potentially make a complaint about a game and an investigation would ensue without any other supporting evidence besides that individual's suspicions? Is it possible someone thought the scoreline was odd and made a complaint solely on that basis? Is there even evidence of irregular betting patterns?

oriel

14/09/2017, 12:10 PM

I didn't even know you could place a bet on a friendly match ? and more so I never even heard this game was on.

brendy_�ire

14/09/2017, 12:27 PM

I didn't even know you could place a bet on a friendly match ?

Ah, ye can, and ye'd be surprised how many people bet on them.
Any time we do poorly in a pre-season friendly, there's an inevitable tirade of abuse on the club's Facebook page from foreigners who've lost money. It's very funny to watch.

Seagull

14/09/2017, 1:09 PM

I was at the game and was shocked that an almost full-strength Bray side were so dreadful. There didn't seem anything odd about any of the goals, just that Bray simply didn't play. They had one shot on target in the first half and were 0-3 down at half time I think one other shot in the second. I wondered at the time what we were gaining from a friendly like that when we so poor. I'm disgusted that the club I love is back in the headlines again for all the wrong reasons and I wonder what frame of mind the players might be in for a big game tomorrow night.

NeverFeltBetter

14/09/2017, 3:45 PM

Going by the last investigation, every player who mis-kicked the ball could be in line for a year long ban.

brendy_�ire

14/09/2017, 4:03 PM

....I wonder what frame of mind the players might be in for a big game tomorrow night.

It's not that big a game really though? Bray will be grand on 38 points, can't see Sligo beating that.

Agreed though, Bray players must find it hard to give a rat's arse at this stage.

Mr A

14/09/2017, 9:54 PM

Going by the last investigation, every player who mis-kicked the ball could be in line for a year long ban.

That's nonsense though. If you talk to Athlone supporters, or indeed supporters of other clubs who have seen some of their games this season, there was serious questions around the guys who were banned. Indeed those concerns have arisen at previous clubs also. The narrative that these guys were singled out because they made mistakes during a couple of goals suits the defense by the PFAI well- but remember that's the only side we have heard from. I had messages from an Athlone fan whose opinion I would trust in the last few days pointing all this out, and also that the tactical decisions around these games were very suspect too. To be honest.. I think there is a bit of omerta type stuff going on, some of the guys just don't want to admit this could happen in Irish football. Again, it may be that the prosecution of that case was under par.. but there is no fecking way it was motivated by a few lads making mis-kicks as has been portrayed.

Mr A

14/09/2017, 10:57 PM

Piece on this in Irish Times: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/national-league/pfai-find-themselves-at-heart-of-battle-to-preserve-league-s-integrity-1.3221638?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

sbgawa

15/09/2017, 12:03 AM

From what I'm hearing this investigation won't take long and the eejits involved aren't criminal masterminds

NeverFeltBetter

15/09/2017, 8:26 AM

That's nonsense though. If you talk to Athlone supporters, or indeed supporters of other clubs who have seen some of their games this season, there was serious questions around the guys who were banned. Indeed those concerns have arisen at previous clubs also. The narrative that these guys were singled out because they made mistakes during a couple of goals suits the defense by the PFAI well- but remember that's the only side we have heard from. I had messages from an Athlone fan whose opinion I would trust in the last few days pointing all this out, and also that the tactical decisions around these games were very suspect too. To be honest.. I think there is a bit of omerta type stuff going on, some of the guys just don't want to admit this could happen in Irish football. Again, it may be that the prosecution of that case was under par.. but there is no fecking way it was motivated by a few lads making mis-kicks as has been portrayed.

I wasn't being entirely serious when I said the above, but I can assure you, that the bolded part is the only issue I have with the way things have been carried out. We all know there's something dodgy behind Athlone this season, and maybe there is something dodgy behind Bray too, maybe.

But it's not enough to say "Ah sure, everyone knows what's going on" or "I guy I trust told me" when it comes to investigations from the governing body and punitive action. There has to be solid proof, not conjecture, hearsay and guesswork. Because if you're working off that kind of process, eventually, inevitably, someone is going to screwed over who doesn't deserve it.

And as has been discussed, there's a possibility that the manner the FAI has done things leaves the way open for CAS or higher courts to overturn this, regardless of whether the guys in question are guilty or not, which is a lousy outcome if it comes to pass.

**FrOsTy**

15/09/2017, 10:19 AM

If the story I heard is true then these fellas need banning for life.. not just for match fixing but for been absolutely brainless idiots.

The story allegates that a pool of players funded a bet of a correct score 5-0 at odds of 150/1.

Using the online account of 1 player whose account and phone is now under investigation.

Hopefully that is just one of those rumours that loses control of itself because that is absolute stupidity. How in gods name would you expect to get away with something like that.

Mr A

15/09/2017, 10:30 AM

According to Owen Cowzer in the Sun, it's not just the friendly.

"Along with Friday’s friendly loss, the IRN-BRU Cup 2-0 defeat away to Elgin City, last month’s 2-1 league win over Drogheda United and the two home games against Finn Harps — a 5-3 win in March and a 3-2 defeat in July — were games brought up by cops."

Full story: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1537556/five-bray-wanderers-games-being-investigated-for-potential-match-fixing/

ToberonaTornado

15/09/2017, 10:57 AM

Anyone still letting on that they didn't know you could gamble on an underage match should leave the thread now.

KR's Post

15/09/2017, 11:55 AM

Innocent till proven guilty

Partizan

15/09/2017, 12:15 PM

I think it's very clear that the FAI should relegate Bray and block Waterford's promotion, hence meaning only the bottom team goes down this year.

Get up that garden you sheep fiddlin' headbanger.

sbgawa

15/09/2017, 12:30 PM

I think its very clear that the FAI should relegate Bray block Waterford coming up and relegate Pats,
If your going to ask Mr A.....ask for everything :)

colonelwest

15/09/2017, 12:42 PM

I think its very clear that the FAI should relegate Bray block Waterford coming up and relegate Pats,
If your going to ask Mr A.....ask for everything :)

Shut Tallaght down and knock it down for social housing, thus forcing Rovers to relocate to Tolka and make them play in 33 Cup Finals next season whereby if they lose even one they get relegated. Stephen "Bradser" Bradley loves his cup finals so it should be no bother to him/ them.

sbgawa

15/09/2017, 1:02 PM

itll be 36 cup finals next year for the rest of you boys. :)

osarusan

15/09/2017, 1:48 PM

Ah crap, if things hadn't been discovered so soon, maybe they'd have been doing another spot of fixing tonight. I'd take a win in any fashion.

White Horse

15/09/2017, 3:11 PM

The Garda say that the National Economic Crime Bureau are investigating allegations of match-fixing at Bray Wanderers.

The fraud squad confirmation came off the back of reports that 5 games are now being probed.

The FAI launched an investigation into the 5-0 friendly loss to Waterford last week.

Four other games are now being linked to the investigation. The IRN-BRU Cup 2-0 defeat away to Elgin City, last month’s 2-1 SSE Airtricity League win over Drogheda United and the two home games against Finn Harps — a 5-3 win in March and a 3-2 defeat in July.

http://www.offtheball.com/Garda-National-Economic-Crime-Bureau-Confirm-Bray-Wanderers-Investigation

NeverFeltBetter

15/09/2017, 3:58 PM

Ah crap, if things hadn't been discovered so soon, maybe they'd have been doing another spot of fixing tonight. I'd take a win in any fashion.

You'd have to assume this won't have a positive impact on the Bray's squad mentality. If Limerick get at them good and early they might crumble.

Or they might want to prove a point by winning, who knows.

sbgawa

15/09/2017, 4:22 PM

It's mad ted.

outspoken

15/09/2017, 5:51 PM

That's nonsense though. If you talk to Athlone supporters, or indeed supporters of other clubs who have seen some of their games this season, there was serious questions around the guys who were banned. Indeed those concerns have arisen at previous clubs also. The narrative that these guys were singled out because they made mistakes during a couple of goals suits the defense by the PFAI well- but remember that's the only side we have heard from. I had messages from an Athlone fan whose opinion I would trust in the last few days pointing all this out, and also that the tactical decisions around these games were very suspect too. To be honest.. I think there is a bit of omerta type stuff going on, some of the guys just don't want to admit this could happen in Irish football. Again, it may be that the prosecution of that case was under par.. but there is no fecking way it was motivated by a few lads making mis-kicks as has been portrayed.

It didn't take a betting expert to know the athlone V Longford game was fixed, myself and the two lads I sat with said it within a few minutes of sitting down, it just didn't look or feel right from the get go. Even the 7-1 win over them recently felt like a football match against an awful team whereas the alleged fixed match just felt more like a poorly put together show.

greywanderer

15/09/2017, 10:11 PM

Is someone out to bring the club down by spreading rumours or is the club trying to bring certain players down by spreading rumours.

Seagull

16/09/2017, 10:55 PM

Is someone out to bring the club down by spreading rumours or is the club trying to bring certain players down by spreading rumours.

You think this is just rumours? The Gardai and NECB are investigating, I'd say that's based on more than rumours. Read Frosty's comment above.

greywanderer

16/09/2017, 11:12 PM

You think this is just rumours? The Gardai and NECB are investigating, I'd say that's based on more than rumours. Read Frosty's comment above.

It's all making sense, most bray fans could name 3/4 players that haven't performed over the last 6 or 7 matches.

Seagull

20/09/2017, 11:15 PM

Nesta99

21/09/2017, 5:37 PM

Word has it that it's four players being investigated. Interesting to read in today's Bray People where Harry Kenny was expressing his bewilderment about what's going on, said he'd 'talk to Denis' if he was considering his future with the club. Now, would that be the same Denis O'Connor who announced he was stepping down as chairman not so long ago? He's still around the Carlisle, what the hell is his role with the club?

Must be a state secret....

But yeah for a guy who said he was leaving if he is the go to man for the 1st team manager it was certainly a whole lot of bulltalk by Denis before, as was felt at the time. Barking dog stuff!