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gspain01
15/02/2017, 11:23 AM
I have a strange recollection that Limerick United played in red and white stripes ? Maybe as their away kit ?
Yes red and white stripes was used as an away kit by Limerick 37 anyway and Limerick FC. It hasn't been used as a home kit since 1942.
stann
15/02/2017, 12:50 PM
So is the old Ballinaneesagh ground now St Otteran's Cemetery on the west of the town ? And did Waterford Celtic play at Kilcohan Park themselves as well.
That's it yes. I'd always assumed the Ballinaneesagh ground is now the current Waterford Crystal complex, on the other side of the main road, but apparently not, it really was where (part of) the cemetery now is.
Celtic would never have played at Kilcohan, AFAIK. Ozier Park was their ground, and initially was to be redeveloped at the massive cost of £300, but at some point it was deemed inadequate for League purposes, so Kilcohan (mentioned in one place as a horse racing venue, funnily enough) was chosen instead. Three stands were built or redeveloped, the improvements finally ready in November 1930.
AFAIK, Waterford also played at Ballinakil which is Waterpark RFC's ground.
I've heard this before too, but haven't come across when just yet. Mind you, I only this week stumbled upon Ozier being used for a league game in 1931, so surely will hit it sooner or later.
The Heritage Trust recently discovered a newspaper report from 1899 on a match involving Shamrock Rovers from Ringsend. It was in the programme at some point last season but not sure if it was put online.
Funny enough, I can corroborate the story here, if not the report. Page 3 of the Evening Herald of Monday, April 10 1899 has a two line piece that reads, under the heading ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL:
SHAMROCK ROVERS v ROSEMOUNT -
This match was played yesterday and resulted in a draw.
Short and sweet. I imagine the report printed in the programme was from a different paper! :D
Paddyfield
15/02/2017, 2:07 PM
Lest we forget Galway FC.
And of course Home Farm Everton FC and Newcastle United FC from County Limerick
But my favourite was Saint Patrick's Athletic incorporating Saint Francis Football Club. That was the official name of the football club that played in Richmond Park for one season in the Pat Dolan era. Hence: The Supersaints.
EatYerGreens
16/02/2017, 1:16 PM
Lest we forget Galway FC.
And of course Home Farm Everton FC and Newcastle United FC from County Limerick
But my favourite was Saint Patrick's Athletic incorporating Saint Francis Football Club. That was the official name of the football club that played in Richmond Park for one season in the Pat Dolan era. Hence: The Supersaints.
When was "Galway FC" ?
pineapple stu
16/02/2017, 2:08 PM
When they rejoined the league in what - 2013?
Just for one season only, then back to Galway United
Hitman
21/02/2017, 1:57 PM
Nice piece from Emmet Malone on the rivalry between Pat Dolan and Ollie Byrne. (Trigger warning: contains Paul Marney references.)
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/national-league/the-league-of-ireland-needs-rivalries-like-in-the-days-of-ollie-byrne-and-pat-dolan-1.2983358
Comic Book Guy
21/02/2017, 2:38 PM
I'll have to root out the book written about 30 years ago about the history of Rugby in Cobh, the author whose name escapes me said there was a Cobh Ramblers team playing briefly in the 1880's albeit in the oval ball code. It's possible the present club took the name from them as I'm sure some of the founders would have had a memory of that name. While I think there are a number of older clubs in Munster I think Ramblers claim an unbroken existence sine 1922.
EatYerGreens
21/02/2017, 3:07 PM
I'll have to root out the book written about 30 years ago about the history of Rugby in Cobh, the author whose name escapes me said there was a Cobh Ramblers team playing briefly in the 1880's albeit in the oval ball code. It's possible the present club took the name from them as I'm sure some of the founders would have had a memory of that name. While I think there are a number of older clubs in Munster I think Ramblers claim an unbroken existence sine 1922.
Ramblers appear to have begun life as a hockey club that played football every so often, so would be intrigued to hear more about this CBC.
Lest we forget Galway FC.
And of course Home Farm Everton FC and Newcastle United FC from County Limerick
But my favourite was Saint Patrick's Athletic incorporating Saint Francis Football Club. That was the official name of the football club that played in Richmond Park for one season in the Pat Dolan era. Hence: The Supersaints.
No, Dolan coined the Supersaints name before that ill fated merger attempt. He tried Dublin Saints, but that didn't catch on. Thank God that whole project was quietly ditched.
This might not be correct thread but I can't find one closer. Can any Pats fans shed some light on the chap Christy McElliot, ex player, he's the guy on Operation Transformation, he lost his leg in an accident over 10 years ago. He said on the show a few weeks back that he won a league title with Pats, he didn't say the year but I'd be guessing due to his own age (47) that he was referring to 95/96.
I can't remember him playing at all and his name doesn't ring a bell, did he only play a few games, or was he mostly used as a sub or maybe joined late in that league winning season ?
Martinho II
22/02/2017, 9:37 PM
This might not be correct thread but I can't find one closer. Can any Pats fans shed some light on the chap Christy McElliot, ex player, he's the guy on Operation Transformation, he lost his leg in an accident over 10 years ago. He said on the show a few weeks back that he won a league title with Pats, he didn't say the year but I'd be guessing due to his own age (47) that he was referring to 95/96.
I can't remember him playing at all and his name doesn't ring a bell, did he only play a few games, or was he mostly used as a sub or maybe joined late in that league winning season ?
that name rings a bell all right with me. I have a feeling that he played for them in 1990! dodge I am sure would be happy to confirm this!
He was a bit part player in 95/96 but for a few years before that he played regularly enough
Mostly remembered by Pats fans for going in goal after Gareth Byrne was sent off in a home game with Athlone. We went on to win 3-2 and won the league that year
DannyInvincible
08/04/2017, 1:03 AM
A 14-minute video segment of a 20-year-old RTÉ production presented by Ryle Nugent called the Grip with features on Derry (exploring some of the clubs history since joining the League of Ireland) and St. Pat's: https://www.facebook.com/JJIFL/videos/1147877112001090/
Partizan
09/04/2017, 7:02 PM
I remember reading somewhere that Cork Celtic never dissolved and that some bloke had the legal deeds to the Club. There was also talk of a resurrection of Cork Celtic in the mid 80s.
Can anyone shed some light on the story?
EatYerGreens
10/04/2017, 3:00 PM
A 14-minute video segment of a 20-year-old RTÉ production presented by Ryle Nugent called the Grip with features on Derry (exploring some of the clubs history since joining the League of Ireland) and St. Pat's: https://www.facebook.com/JJIFL/videos/1147877112001090/
A major faux pas at the very start of that video by claiming that Derry are the only club to have played in the northern and southern leagues.
They're the 3rd such club in actual fact.
DannyInvincible
10/04/2017, 5:33 PM
Which clubs are you thinking about? West Ham and Alton United (both of west Belfast's Falls District League)? I know they were affiliated with the FAI for a spell after the FAI were established and post-partition, but I assume they played under the IFA's jurisdiction thereafter.
According to this (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bB5SrdeaXv4C&lpg=PP1&dq=Association%20Football%20and%20Society%20in%20P re-partition%20Ireland&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false), there were other clubs from Derry and Downpatrick that affiliated with the FAI during the same period. No mention of their names but I would guess they eventually ended up playing under the auspices of the IFA too. Maybe not...
El-Pietro
10/04/2017, 7:57 PM
Bohs and Shels pre split anyway.
RathfarnhamHoop
10/04/2017, 9:59 PM
A major faux pas at the very start of that video by claiming that Derry are the only club to have played in the northern and southern leagues.
They're the 3rd such club in actual fact.
I guess the technicality would be that i think the league was technically for the whole island just it was dominated by teams from the North when Bohs and Shels were in it.
Comic Book Guy
11/04/2017, 9:21 AM
Which clubs are you thinking about? West Ham and Alton United (both of west Belfast's Falls District League)? I know they were affiliated with the FAI for a spell after the FAI were established and post-partition, but I assume they played under the IFA's jurisdiction thereafter.
According to this (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bB5SrdeaXv4C&lpg=PP1&dq=Association%20Football%20and%20Society%20in%20P re-partition%20Ireland&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false), there were other clubs from Derry and Downpatrick that affiliated with the FAI during the same period. No mention of their names but I would guess they eventually ended up playing under the auspices of the IFA too. Maybe not...
That's a great read, it would seem that the IFA did make attempts to bring both associations together, that seems to go against the perceived notion that they were completely beligerent pre and post the spilt.
stann
11/04/2017, 12:36 PM
Bohs and Shels I'd say EatYerGreens meant, as El-P says.
According to this (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bB5SrdeaXv4C&lpg=PP1&dq=Association%20Football%20and%20Society%20in%20P re-partition%20Ireland&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false), there were other clubs from Derry and Downpatrick that affiliated with the FAI during the same period.
Danny, have you got that book, as a matter of interest? Copped something in it a while back, and I've been waiting since for someone on here to mention it.
If you have, have a good look at the preface, see if you notice anything odd.
Harmless banter or a bit of payback, I wonder? :cool:
DannyInvincible
11/04/2017, 12:53 PM
Danny, have you got that book, as a matter of interest? Copped something in it a while back, and I've been waiting since for someone on here to mention it.
If you have, have a good look at the preface, see if you notice anything odd.
Harmless banter or a bit of payback, I wonder? :cool:
Nah, I don't have the physical book unfortunately. I just happened to stumble across the preview version online once after doing a Google search whilst trying to find some footballing info from the period around partition. You've captured my curiosity though!
RathfarnhamHoop
11/04/2017, 1:25 PM
That's a great read, it would seem that the IFA did make attempts to bring both associations together, that seems to go against the perceived notion that they were completely beligerent pre and post the spilt.
Published by the Ulster Historical society so I'd take the way it comes across with a pinch of salt.
Nah, I don't have the physical book unfortunately. I just happened to stumble across the preview version online once after doing a Google search whilst trying to find some footballing info from the period around partition. You've captured my curiosity though!
No worries, it's actually there in the link you provided as well.
Have a look at the preface page, see if anything leaps out at you. I won't spoil it just yet, although it's not exactly Enigma!
DannyInvincible
11/04/2017, 2:22 PM
No worries, it's actually there in the link you provided as well.
Have a look at the preface page, see if anything leaps out at you. I won't spoil it just yet, although it's not exactly Enigma!
I hadn't actually read the preface before, but I get the impression it's also a poem...
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/poguemahone85/Capture_zps6caek4l8.png
Are you referring to Garnham's use of the word "memorial", as if to suggest Irish football is dead?
No no, different tack altogether.
You'd be thinking why would a football book preface be in the form of a poem at all? And the last line, the last line...
:D
pineapple stu
11/04/2017, 3:31 PM
Mangan?
Mangan?
Bingo!
Doesn't like him, apparently, whoever he is. :D
Isn't that mad though? Couldn't believe it when I copped it first. Like something out of an Alfred Hitchcock Three Investigators story, it was.
Funny though, I love that's there still room for things like this. :D
Philosophizer
11/04/2017, 4:01 PM
Fellow author perhaps? J.A Mangan - Sport in Europe: Politics, Class, Gender
https://www.amazon.com/Sport-Europe-Politics-Gender-Society/dp/0714680052
Does he cite this book in the bibliography?
DannyInvincible
11/04/2017, 4:03 PM
James Anthony Mangan is a distinguished sports history scholar; is that who Stu is referring to? I'm still totally lost though. What's the connection in the last line to Mangan?
Ensure, if only initially, you capture its meaning.
The prose is worded very oddly, even for a poem, but have a look at the initial letter in each line of the preface, write them out even.
As I say, it's not NSA-level stuff, probably only an in-joke, but it's still a pretty mad thing to find in a published book. :D
DannyInvincible
11/04/2017, 4:17 PM
Ah, I see it; "Mangan is an arse". Ha. I'd have to assume it's a bit of banter between two friends.
I hope so, or Mr Mangan won't be a bit pleased.
Anyway, apologies for the digression, back to the thread!
He was a bit part player in 95/96 but for a few years before that he played regularly enough
Mostly remembered by Pats fans for going in goal after Gareth Byrne was sent off in a home game with Athlone. We went on to win 3-2 and won the league that year
Christy saved a penalty in that game as I recall.
Nesta99
11/04/2017, 7:25 PM
I am at a loss Stann!
DannyInvincible
11/04/2017, 7:35 PM
I am at a loss Stann!
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/poguemahone85/Capture_zpssuweh9pu.png
EatYerGreens
12/04/2017, 11:20 AM
I hope so, or Mr Mangan won't be a bit pleased.
Anyway, apologies for the digression, back to the thread!
Who's Mangan ?
DannyInvincible
12/04/2017, 11:22 AM
Who's Mangan ?
Fellow sports historian JA Mangan (http://www.worldwhoswho.com/public/views/entry.html?id=sl2176227), presumably.
RathfarnhamHoop
12/04/2017, 3:35 PM
30 years to the day today that the last match was played in Milltown. Like rovers are hate rovers what happened to Milltown is probably still one of the biggest crimes ever committed in Irish football.
Funnily enough though every time there's a landmark about Milltown we end up playing Sligo and we play them again on Friday so here's hoping for a similar result to 30 years ago.
Nesta99
12/04/2017, 3:58 PM
I should have read back before saying i was at a loss - thanks though Danny lol
Nah Nah Nah Nah
12/04/2017, 7:48 PM
30 years to the day today that the last match was played in Milltown. Like rovers are hate rovers what happened to Milltown is probably still one of the biggest crimes ever committed in Irish football.
Funnily enough though every time there's a landmark about Milltown we end up playing Sligo and we play them again on Friday so here's hoping for a similar result to 30 years ago.
I'd take a draw alright
RathfarnhamHoop
12/04/2017, 8:15 PM
I'd take a draw alright
I'd be happy with the 1-0 at the moment
Charlie Darwin
12/04/2017, 8:39 PM
I'd take any result that didn't involve us conceding a ridiculous set piece goal.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
13/04/2017, 6:55 AM
I'd be happy with the 1-0 at the moment
You're thinking of the replay of a two legged game in the Showgrounds. Game in Milltown was a draw.
Dalymountrower
13/04/2017, 9:17 AM
30 years to the day today that the last match was played in Milltown. Like rovers are hate rovers what happened to Milltown is probably still one of the biggest crimes ever committed in Irish football.
Funnily enough though every time there's a landmark about Milltown we end up playing Sligo and we play them again on Friday so here's hoping for a similar result to 30 years ago.
Wouldnt exactly call it a crime, but it was sad to lose such a great ground. Great memories of a young Ashley Grimes, destroying them single handedly in a cup replay there , also a last minute equaliser by Johnny Reynor 83/84? Otherwise it was heartbreak, usually caused by Noel Larkin. In fairness, Rovers had a superb team back then.
I was at that last game there 30 years and in the course of the half time pitch invasion the Rovers fans started to run toward the Sligo end and it looked like disaster was imminent. The Sligo fans started applauding them and it ended in photo opp handshakes all round.Emotional day for old Hoops I suppose.
Cmon Sligo.
OwlsFan
13/04/2017, 9:23 AM
30 years to the day today that the last match was played in Milltown. Like rovers are hate rovers what happened to Milltown is probably still one of the biggest crimes ever committed in Irish football.
Funnily enough though every time there's a landmark about Milltown we end up playing Sligo and we play them again on Friday so here's hoping for a similar result to 30 years ago.
I was at that game and my main memory is the large "Fu#k Tolka" banner displayed by some fans when we came on to the pitch. I have a fair few photos of that day in my attic someplace. What really gets me is that Louis Kilcoyne later became head of the FAI and was of course supported by Dunphy.
RathfarnhamHoop
13/04/2017, 10:36 AM
I was at that game and my main memory is the large "Fu#k Tolka" banner displayed by some fans when we came on to the pitch. I have a fair few photos of that day in my attic someplace. What really gets me is that Louis Kilcoyne later became head of the FAI and was of course supported by Dunphy.
The fact that man got another job in football at any level never mind as the head of football for the whole country is disgraceful but sums football in this country up.
RathfarnhamHoop
14/04/2017, 3:08 PM
You're thinking of the replay of a two legged game in the Showgrounds. Game in Milltown was a draw.
Yeah I am indeed. Considering I wasn't born at the time not too big a crime but I'm pretty red faced just now, I just knew that was a replay, Rovers won the cup and mick Byrne scored in Milltown so not too bad, 2 replays seems ridiculous. Anyway I'd still take a 1-0 tonight.
placid casual
14/04/2017, 4:18 PM
Greasy Louis was involved with cork city for awhile, was he not?
If so, it perfectly illustrates the nature of LOI togetherness..
RathfarnhamHoop
14/04/2017, 9:57 PM
Greasy Louis was involved with cork city for awhile, was he not?
If so, it perfectly illustrates the nature of LOI togetherness..
Yeah some Cork fans I know aren't too happy that he was though.
What also perfectly illustrates the loi is I read a few news reports from big news companies about the last game in Milltown to find out about the match since I wasn't born when it was played, one said rovers won one nil rovers and all of them said it was a replay. Found out in today's match program that the semis were actually over 2 legs for a while. Typical.
Called the 1-0 though and I stand by that I'm happy with it
Nesta99
14/04/2017, 10:06 PM
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/0405/865424-shamrock-rovers-to-leave-ground/
Any idea of what they mean about not being able to develop Milltown in to a soccer ground?
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