C.P. O'Brien - Good Or Bad Signing

[sadloserkid]

It's a poll, it was requested, it's simple enough really. Was the return of Colin Patrick O'Brien a good or a bad move by Limerick?

[Westside]

If this guy keeps the same attitude as last season then it will be big big gamble.But on the other hand if his attitude has changed then who knows.I am sure the guy has the ability its just we saw the wrong side of him last season.NOC obviously knows him and is willing to give him a second chance so as far as us fans go we'll have to accept it whether we like it or not.I doubt he will get away with some of the stunts he pulled last season so basically the ball is in his court to prove to us that he is good enough for Lfc.If he mucks up this time I think, that will be the end of his Eircom League playing career and I'm sure NOC has made him aware of this.

[LFC in Exile]

Just a thought. Many of the people slagging off Colin P for not passing enough last season are the same people who are saying the Limerick side last season was sh ite. Is that irony? :ball:

[sadloserkid]

Just a thought. Many of the people slagging off Colin P for not passing enough last season are the same people who are saying the Limerick side last season was sh ite. Is that irony? :ball:

I don't think it is actually. I'm not sure who that's directed at either nto be honest. I've noticed that most of the pro-Can't Pass O'Brien crowd were the harshest critics of last seasons team personally. But even allowing for your point there I think the conclusion is that Can't Pass O'Brien was a massive contributary factor in last seasons debacle. It's not easy starting matches with ten players you know.

[Nempton]

SLK you better keep an eye on the voting I don't want to see another incident such as what happened in the Ukraine occur here, so just make sure that Willie John can only vote once in favour of CP returning :D

[jebus]

SLK you better keep an eye on the voting I don't want to see another incident such as what happened in the Ukraine occur here, so just make sure that Willie John can only vote once in favour of CP returning :D

:D :D :D Yeah I was thinking that the 7 votes for Cant Pass were from CP, CPs mom, his dad, his dog, Willie John and his parents

[sadloserkid]

People can only vote once you'll all be pleased to hear.

[jebus]

Still doesn't discount my theory! :eek:

[LFC in Exile]

I voted yes. I think he is a very good players. Nornally I hate players who display signs of not being committed - but I think last season was such an awful situation it was very difficult for any player to stay committed. It is hard to get "up" for a game when you see you are playing up front with a goalkeeper (I know CP may not have played in those games but you know what I mean). Very few players were fully committed last season - even Limerick born ones.

I don't think he was given a fair crack last season. He was picked on fairly early by a section of the home fans who afterwards were not going to change their mind on him. And when your own fans give you a hard time why would you bother? Time will prove someone right. I hope its me and the other 7 that voted for him. :ball:

[sadloserkid]

Time will prove someone right. I hope its me and the other 7 that voted for him. :ball:

I hope so too. But if he's only going to peform when things are rosy I can't imagine he'll ever really succeed. It'll be interesting to see if he can rebuild bridges with his teammates too. It's not just the support that he annoyed after all.

[jebus]

And when your own fans give you a hard time why would you bother?

To try and prove us wrong perhaps? Every player gets stick at some stage of their career, from Michael Owen to Brendan Markey (nod towards SLK on that one), and the commited players that I'd like to see at the club put their head down, keep on grafting and learn to pass a friggin ball. They also don't turn to one of their own fans and flip him off. To say he had a stinker of an attitude is a big understatement. The man has talent, and I was very impressed when I first saw him, but he needs to learn to pass that ball, and not be such a whinging b!tch about criticism. Plus I wonder hopw many of the returning players will be happy to see him back? Reportedly a lot of them had a problem with Can't Pass last year and where as I love my fotball clubs to resemble soap operas (I am a Sheffield Wednesday fan after all), I think think this is one Lesley Grantham we could do without (nod towards Eastenders on that one)



Time will prove someone right. I hope its me and the other 7 that voted for him. :ball:

I hope it is too

[jebus]

Who are these people voting for Can't Pass? Can't remember one person having a good thing to say about him last year. Me thinks this 'lets not rock the new owner boat' attitude is being taken too far at this stage :p

[LFC in Exile]

To try and prove us wrong perhaps? Every player gets stick at some stage of their career, from Michael Owen to Brendan Markey (nod towards SLK on that one), and the commited players that I'd like to see at the club put their head down, keep on grafting and learn to pass a friggin ball. They also don't turn to one of their own fans and flip him off. To say he had a stinker of an attitude is a big understatement. The man has talent, and I was very impressed when I first saw him, but he needs to learn to pass that ball, and not be such a whinging b!tch about criticism. Plus I wonder hopw many of the returning players will be happy to see him back?

Yes, every player gets stiock - but I can't really think of one example of a player that received such "stick" (I'd call it abuse) from his own fans and went on to play brilliantly well. Your two examples are of players that got "stick" (again more like abuse - Slk?) from opposing fans. Obviously the incident with JohnD was wrong - but I think it shows the extent to which the relationship had broken down between CP and the Limerick fans.

Of course I think it is important that the fans give him a chance this season as well, and don't get on his back from the off.

[sadloserkid]

Can't Pass O'Brien made his own bed last year, constantly moaning to his team-mates and referees when things didn't go his own way, refusing to travel to matches. I've disliked Limerick players before (Mannering anybody?) but never criticised the guy while he was on the pitch because he tried.

O'Brien's attitude stank from Day 2 (his debut against Kildare wasn't bad) and it's up to him to prove that he's changed his spots. If I was at matchs this year I wouldn't boo him from the off but I wouldn't fall at his feet and welcome him back either. He left every one of us down last season and it's up to him, not us to build bridges.

[LFC in Exile]

it's up to him, not us to build bridges.

You didn't get a new job working on the peace process recently by any chance? :)

Do't you SLKthat the best bridges are built from both sides. :rolleyes:

[deise deserter]

LFCIE:
You know that generally I think your level-headed but your posts in this thread are badly informed.

CP got stick because HE ABUSED fans and players all through last season.

The simple fact is that the others in the most part don't want to play with this guy.

I would ask the supermods to check those who are voting "for" in this poll, as I think you could find a number of IP address being the same, or certain new members only appearing to vote in this.

As it is the poll is a joke not reflecting the actual climate in Limerick among fans and players. This form of vote fraud will not engender the new administration to the fans.

[LFC in Exile]

LFCIE:
You know that generally I think your level-headed but your posts in this thread are badly informed.

CP got stick because HE ABUSED fans and players all through last season.

The simple fact is that the others in the most part don't want to play with this guy.

I would ask the supermods to check those who are voting "for" in this poll, as I think you could find a number of IP address being the same, or certain new members only appearing to vote in this.

As it is the poll is a joke not reflecting the actual climate in Limerick among fans and players. This form of vote fraud will not engender the new administration to the fans.

I'm surprised myself with how close the vote is given the general tenor of the posts about Colin P.

I am not defending or condoning what he did last year - to JohnD or in general on the pitch. I do think though that he got a lot of abuse from the sideline for "not passing" and then it came to the stage where every time he lost the ball there were groans and shouts. Give a dog a bad name.

I just think it was overdone and CP responded with the frustration that everyone felt. I don't know any of the players so I can't dispute your point there. However, there are quite a few new players coming in who won't have any hang up about him. Obviously Colin P didn't rate some of his team mates last year (and the feeling is no doubt mutual) and he is not alone in that if you read this forum.

I just think after taking all this into account, and the fact that he is undoubtedly a talented footballer, he can do a job for us and will score goals for us. I don't expect Limerick fans to be falling at his feet but I would hope that he will be given a chance. Limerick fans have absolutely nothing to lose by giving him a chance to show what he can do in a proper structure. :ball:

[deise deserter]

Good comeback! :D

Seriously though - he didn't do the job last year, he just didn't score enough.

As a striker for Limerick he failed. I rather see Barry Ryan back playing than him. (And going by the players O'Connor had at the Cork game that's a possibility...) ;)

[jebus]

I know people think I'm being ultra negative towards the new owners in my posts, and they may have a point, but there are reasons for that (new owner turning his back on a supporter who was trying to have a friendly chat with him at the Cork game being the latest), but I am happy they are on board, and I wish them the best obviously. Can't Pass on the otherhand I don't. I've never been one of these forgive and forget types, especially when it comes to football. I wouldn't accept a player who spits on a club that gave him a chance back to any club I support, regardless of his talent on the football field, be it Limerick, Inter Milan or Sheffield Wednesday (Alan Quinn springs to mind). I hope the man has a stinker of a start to the season, the fans give him the abuse he deserves, and Can't Pass does with he does second best (not passing the ball being the first choice), and turns tail, packs his bags and runs back home. We still haven't heard the reason for his missing the first pre-season game last sunday.

[LFC in Exile]

I know people think I'm being ultra negative towards the new owners in my posts, and they may have a point, but there are reasons for that (new owner turning his back on a supporter who was trying to have a friendly chat with him at the Cork game being the latest), but I am happy they are on board, and I wish them the best obviously. Can't Pass on the otherhand I don't. I've never been one of these forgive and forget types, especially when it comes to football. I wouldn't accept a player who spits on a club that gave him a chance back to any club I support, regardless of his talent on the football field, be it Limerick, Inter Milan or Sheffield Wednesday (Alan Quinn springs to mind). I hope the man has a stinker of a start to the season, the fans give him the abuse he deserves, and Can't Pass does with he does second best (not passing the ball being the first choice), and turns tail, packs his bags and runs back home. We still haven't heard the reason for his missing the first pre-season game last sunday.

You're right. Lets give him a trial and the hang him. :)

[sadloserkid]

Based on the evidence of last season people are quite within in their rights surely to express reservation about Can't Pass O'Brien? There have always been players at Limerick that I didn't rate but never before have I bothered to be so critical on one player in particular. I have no respect for Can't Pass as a player or as a person. I'm sure that he doesn't think much of me either but I can live with that.

I take your point about building bridges from both sides LFCIE but as far as I can see the Limerick support have nothing to atone for. Normally when a player is criticised by a Limerick fan the rest of the support will quite firmly tell the aggressor to shut it. Not once in all the games last year did I hear anybody try and defend that lazy, selfish liability. His defenders are defenders only on the net which says a lot to me. For my part, once the season starts I'm going to treat him with indifference. That's a big step up from where I am now and at that stage it's up to him to prove he's worth more than another one way ticket back to west Cork.

[JohnD]

Well said SLK. I must say I was shocked to hear of his return.

None of the Players wanted him there from my conversations with last year's team. He abused more than me, Not that I'm too thin skinned !, which is way beyond the line. Also he was lazy on the pitch and not a team player.

And by the way he was bloody useless as well ;) (nearly forgot that one!!)

Lets see how he gets on, benefit of the doubt and all that, but it would take a lot of Goals to convince me.

[the ox]

I must admit I am horrified that nearly half the people here voted him a good signing. He was dire last season. An embarrassment to the blue of Limerick. And that's saying something considering the ultimate nightmare season we had. At least everyone else, or nearly everyone else, tried their best.

[LFC in Exile]

or nearly everyone else, tried their best.

There you go.

I think he will get goals for us now that the squad is settled and we have a competitive side. But isn't that what football is all about - differences of opinion.

[gael353]

Im loving the voting thing thats going on. No matter how much the "invisable" CP fans vote they "cant pass" the votes of the persons who are flabergasted at his re'signing. And fair play to LFCIE though for being the only one to come out and say he supports this decision by the new body. Great post SLK!

[Kerry Blue]

Has anyone heard an explanation as to why Can't Pass never showed at the Cork City match?
Or could it be that he hasn't really signed? :)

[dutchie]

I was one of the people who voted for "cant pass",i did so for two reasons,firstly i really believe that this player has a bit of talent and like us all deserves a second chance.Secondly,i have great faith on this new consortium ,they havent done a thing wrong since they took over,new licience, ground etc.and if noc(who knows a lot more about soccer than most of us) thinks he can do a job,well then thats good enough for me.

[gael353]

I was one of the people who voted for "cant pass",i did so for two reasons,firstly i really believe that this player has a bit of talent and like us all deserves a second chance.Secondly,i have great faith on this new consortium ,they havent done a thing wrong since they took over,new licience, ground etc.and if noc(who knows a lot more about soccer than most of us) thinks he can do a job,well then thats good enough for me.

again fair play for saying you voted for him Dutchie but hes toss and knowone who witnessed his ammm "performances" last season and il just say at home cos he didnt turn up for many away games, most reg match day goers and reg posters here would agree with you. As for the consortium (is there one?) yes they have done well behind the scenes, as we havnt had anything public yet if ye get my drift. Noel may know a lot about football, but i think most limerick fans are quite knowledgeable about the game and EL in particular.

[LFC in Exile]

Noel may know a lot about football, but i think most limerick fans are quite knowledgeable about the game and EL in particular.

I was at most of the home games and I take your point about Colin P. I was at most of the home games and so your last point (above) cannot be stood up! :)

[Nempton]

Sorry a problem with my computer please read my reply below

[Nempton]

Hey LFCIE it is easy for us to argue that those who were at the home games believe that CP was absolutely rubbish (and he was, he's definitely no O'Flynn). I always give people the benefit of the doubt, NOC for example I am giving a chance this season despite my reservations about him so we should do the same about CP, but in regards to the point that Gael made I back him up. There are some people who were around enough to know better than NOC about CP, how many times did NOC watch CP last season. I would guess zero. He is taking a gamble on a player who showed promise maybe two seasons ago but to be honest shows signs of the behaviour that Maradona did when the drugs kicked in, in other words an absolute useless lay-about.

[jebus]

[QUOTE=dutchie]firstly i really believe that this player has a bit of talent and like us all deserves a second chance.[QUOTE]

This isn't Home and Away and he isn't Bobbie, not all of us deserve second chances

[4tothefloor]

This isn't Home and Away and he isn't Bobbie, not all of us deserve second chances

There are still people watching Home and Away?

[LFC in Exile]

Hey LFCIE it is easy for us to argue that those who were at the home games believe that CP was absolutely rubbish (and he was, he's definitely no O'Flynn). I always give people the benefit of the doubt, NOC for example I am giving a chance this season despite my reservations about him so we should do the same about CP, but in regards to the point that Gael made I back him up. There are some people who were around enough to know better than NOC about CP, how many times did NOC watch CP last season. I would guess zero. He is taking a gamble on a player who showed promise maybe two seasons ago but to be honest shows signs of the behaviour that Maradona did when the drugs kicked in, in other words an absolute useless lay-about.

Sorry, Nempton - that wasn't what I meant. I take your point on NOC and CP. I was taking issue with Gael's comment about most Limerick fans being knowledgable about the game. From my attendance at Limerick matches I'm not sure about that one. Being a bit smart. :)

[sadloserkid]

the ldmc are putting a u 21s team in to the leauge next year i guess limerick wont have a u21s team if thats the case will they ,surely if limerick were they would have annoched it by now thats not good for limerick can anyone throw some light on it

There was a suggestion a while ago that the LDMC would effectively serve as Limerick's U-21 team but I'm not sure if that's still the scenario.

[Nempton]

Gael's comment about most Limerick fans being knowledgable about the game. From my attendance at Limerick matches I'm not sure about that one.

I have to agree with you on that one but let us not forget Damien's philosophy when it comes to football discussion, "I'm right your wrong". I think we should let him have a crack at managing the U-21's because he is the most knowledgeable of fans, no arguing with that :D

[Éanna]

Damien's philosophy when it comes to football discussion, "I'm right your wrong". and who'd argue with him :eek: :)

[LFC in Exile]

I have to agree with you on that one but let us not forget Damien's philosophy when it comes to football discussion, "I'm right your wrong". I think we should let him have a crack at managing the U-21's because he is the most knowledgeable of fans, no arguing with that :D

Easy now - everyone is entitled to thier own opinion - no matter how wrong they are. :)

[femalefoot]

i think ye are takin colin p subject a bit far. i saw a lot of the home games last season :rolleyes: and in my opinion the lad has potetial he probably never passed the ball because he felt there was no one good enough to pass to.

[Éanna]

i think ye are takin colin p subject a bit far. i saw a lot of the home games last season :rolleyes: and in my opinion the lad has potetial he probably never passed the ball because he felt there was no one good enough to pass to.
surely that shows a bad attitude on his behalf. I think Colin can do well for limerick, he has the talent. But after seeing several Limerick games last season and talking to Limerick fans I know why they don't want him.

[deise deserter]

Femalefoot:

If he thinks that they aren't good enough to play with, he should get his head out of his hole and realise that all the other players think that of him.

I give 3 games before everyone's patience goes again. :D

[DeBluePhoenix]

Dathi Van Basten can teach him how to pass it

If he shows up he`ll score :ball: :ball: :ball: vs Queenstown

[jebus]

Did our boy show up at the UL game by any chance?

And speaking of showing up, anyone notice that there are quite a lot of first time Limerick posters after showing up in the last week or so? Could they possibly by the person, sorry people behind the 19-19 score in the CP poll? Haven't seen Wille John in a while, odd that :p

[Lim till i die]

[QUOTE=jebus]Did our boy show up at the UL game by any chance?

Apparently he showed for training the morning of the game no sign at the actual game tho. Still judging by the poll above at least a lot of our new fans appear to be a forgiving bunch :rolleyes:

[sadloserkid]

in my opinion the lad has potetial he probably never passed the ball because he felt there was no one good enough to pass to.

That's exactly why I think he's a liability to be honest.

I'm also staggered by how similar your prose is to that of the suspended Willie John! :cool:

[willie john]

Did our boy show up at the UL game by any chance?

And speaking of showing up, anyone notice that there are quite a lot of first time Limerick posters after showing up in the last week or so? Could they possibly by the person, sorry people behind the 19-19 score in the CP poll? Haven't seen Wille John in a while, odd that :p
if u want to no what is happening go to the matchs and find out toss. AND IM BACK SO TOUGH :p :p :p

[sadloserkid]

if u want to no what is happening go to the matchs and find out toss. AND IM BACK SO TOUGH :p :p :p

You won't be for long if you can't understand the following simple rule.

"Attack the post not the poster"

Maybe you just can't read it? How about bold letters?

"Attack the post, not the poster"

Or bigger letters?

"Attack the post, not the poster"

Toss :rolleyes:

[jebus]

if u want to no what is happening go to the matchs and find out toss. AND IM BACK SO TOUGH :p :p :p

Oh really? I think the mods have something to say about that D man

[sadloserkid]

In my boredom I was reading through some old threads before work... came across this one, I think the 21 of us who voted 'no' are entitled to a wry shake of the hed round about now.

Also I was wondering the other day if we're still paying his wages if he's 'on sabattical'. And does that mean he's going to come back at some point? Because if he does I'll be singing from the rooftops what caused his disappearance in the first place. So hopefully he'll arrive back someday with some other team, Cobh would be a good choice. ;)

[LFC in Exile]

if he does I'll be singing from the rooftops what caused his disappearance in the first place.

Make sure you hire a good lawyer first though. :p