Stand up - Speak Out

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Anyone know where the 'SUSO' bracelets are for sale? Profits go to
anti-rasicm charadeees.

Nike.com do not list shops in Dublin but do have a link to places in Kerry!

[Karlos]

mightn't be to everyone's liking but you can buy them from arsenal.com if you want them. They are 1.50 each. P& P is extra

[adamcarr]

Theres loads on ebay but Id say that defeats the purpose! :o

[adamcarr]

Nike.com do not list shops in Dublin but do have a link to places in Kerry!
Im pretty sure that you cant buy them in any shops in Ireland!

[razor]

i'll give Gary Neville a shout, he's bound to have a few knocking about.

[piratemousey]

Nike selling anti rasict products.
very ironic.
woudnt you agree?

[Karlos]

Nike selling anti rasict products.
very ironic.
woudnt you agree?


suppose I would, if they were selling them for profit. But they aren't, given that 75% of the cost of one (£1.50) goes to the charity and the other 25% goes to the production of the two bands.

[Aldini98]

suppose I would, if they were selling them for profit. But they aren't, given that 75% of the cost of one (£1.50) goes to the charity and the other 25% goes to the production of the two bands.

Well thats bollo*ks because Nike dont do anything for free.

[Karlos]

Well thats bollo*ks because Nike dont do anything for free.

they are distributing bands (livestrong & stand up speak up) for two very worthwhile causes with 75% going to the charities. If it's bollo*ks, as you put it, then both charities are lying to us as both of the independent charities (not nike) have said in their respective press releases that 75% of all sales goes to them and their research with 25% going to production.


I for one commend 'nike' for being involved in both these important campaigns at this time. Nike's status as a leading brand has helped highlight globablly the important issues of 'cancer suvivors' and 'victims of racism' and not before time in my opinion.

I don't want a debate on Nike's history, I know all about it and am just happy to see them involved in worthwhile activities at last. :)

[lopez]

Well thats bollo*ks because Nike dont do anything for free.Man speaks sense for a change! :eek:

I read something yesterday that Nike pay Michael Jordan more in a year than they pay their whole workforce in Asia. Bunch of horrible parisites even if their Glorias are the best on the market.

[piratemousey]

of course.
nike run sweatshops.they are inhumane.
they are giving off a posative public face of there company.
read.
dont forget there involvment with Suharto in Indonesia.
now thats genocide.

[dahamsta]

We've all read Naomi Klein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Klein), we're only too well aware of what Nike does and doesn't do (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike%2C_Inc.#Criticism). However, flaming a charitable effort, even if it is just a marketing ploy, is just plain silly. You've made your point, now either drop it or start another thread on the subject.

adam

[piratemousey]

who?-larry da wise?

[Karlos]

Gary Neville Critises Anti-Racism Campaign (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/articles/16513013?source=Evening)

What a moron! :mad:

[Macy]

:rolleyes:


Neville said: "We don't have a big problem with racism in this country, you can think of probably one or two incidents in the last five or 10 years. We have to make sure that the campaign is conducted in the right manner and not done just for PR like some of the sports companies seem to be doing at the moment. The FA and the England team have always campaigned against racism very well, we have just got to be aware that it is not cheapened slightly by companies like Nike getting a lot of PR out of it for nothing."

Now, I may not necessarily agree with the first sentence, but the rest is a go at Nike - not at the anti-racism message. Seemingly that's too hard to grasp for some people.

[patsh]

Neville said: "We have to make sure that the campaign is conducted in the right manner and not done just for PR like some of the sports companies seem to be doing at the moment. The FA and the England team have always campaigned against racism very well, we have just got to be aware that it is not cheapened slightly by companies like Nike getting a lot of PR out of it for nothing."

Footballer speaks sense and makes intelligent point......SHOCK! :eek:

Thats a headline you won't be seeing in the Sun anytime soon

[Karlos]

two problems for me

1. not a big problem in England, I disagree

2. Any campaign highlighting racism should be applauded - campaigns are cheapened when people do not support them becuase they either don't like the company involved or perhaps are sponsered by a rival (2 Diadora sponsored players ALLEGEDLY not taking part last week and 1 outspoken this week).

I couldn't care who is involved as long as the message gets across and it certainly is with this campaign. There's thousands of players not involved with Nike supporting this campaign, 1 less won't make a difference thank god.

[Macy]

Neville is involved with Nike, they're United shirt sponsors ffs. I think he has a valid point, and not because of the United connection. You wouldn't even be arsed if it wasn't vieira's excuse for the tunnel incident. Maybe nike would be happy to remove their logo and name from any of the merchandise/press conferences/press releases for the campaign then?

[Karlos]

Neville is involved with Nike, they're United shirt sponsors ffs. I think he has a valid point, and not because of the United connection. You wouldn't even be arsed if it wasn't vieira's excuse for the tunnel incident. Maybe nike would be happy to remove their logo and name from any of the merchandise/press conferences/press releases for the campaign then?

Firstly you don't know me so don't come on here proclaiming what what I would or wouldn't say in relation to an anti-racism campaign or my motives for speaking out in any way. Your suggestion that I wouldn't be arsed is way off mark, petty and ignorant. Your entitled to your opinion but don't try to conjure up a reason that suits you about my views. This thread is all yours now :mad:

[Macy]

Okay I take that back. Surely if it is effecting the campaign, Nike should remove all their symbols from the merchandise though? Then this accusation couldn't be levelled at them or the campaign?

[shedite]

you said that nike.com have a link for kerry could you please give me it i really want the SUSU wristbands!!!!!!

Yeah me too. I assume it's the Nike factory outlet in Killarney? Might get a friend to pick me one up at the weekend.

[Bannsider]

I dunno if they have JJB'S in Ireland tho they do here in Northern Ireland. You can get them from JJB, thats where I got mine :cool:

[shedite]

A buddy of mine popped into Nike store in Killarney saturday and they're all sold out and they're not getting any more back in. :(

[Bannsider]

Same here all sold out, try ebay they've got plenty

[dahamsta]

aldodo, we get the picture, will you stop cluttering up the thread with the same questions over and over again please?

Bloody fashion victims.

adam

[Jon'o]

shut up DAHAMSTA what are you on about "fashion victims" it's for a good cause and what the hell are you doing on this page if all your going to do is bit** about them

oooh picking fights with the boss, brave :eek: newbies eh? hehe

go here.... http://search.ebay.co.uk/stand-up-speak-out_W0QQfltZ9

fill your boots.

bye now ;) :D

[patsh]

Neville knows but we're not listening
Tom Humphries

LockerRoom:
I have no Gary Neville posters on the wall of my bedroom. I'm not in Gary's fanclub. I don't call him. He doesn't call me. Not even at Christmas. In my day I've told Gary Neville jokes, although never within 10 miles of Roy Keane.
I still chuckle childishly at the thought of his father having the christian name Neville. Still, I feel a little sorry for Gary.

Firstly, he must wish that he'd just punched Patrick Vieira on the nose rather than having Roy dash in like the caped crusader protecting a woman and her squalling children from an alien threat.

Second, he must wonder if his apparent interest in issues beyond the dressing-room door will ever earn him anything but derision. We in the dysfunctional sportswriting community bear our burden of guilt here. Constantly whining for more interesting athletes to fill our pages we tend to kick to death any sweatmonger who sticks his head above the parapet and offers an opinion on anything more complex than the use of old-fashioned wingers.

Neville commented during the week that Nike's involvement in the current football against racism campaign was opportunistic and commercially motivated. On sportswriters' laptops everywhere his comments were instantly stored on a file called Whining Millionaire Rent-a-Quote Knucklehead Trivia to be dug up and used against Neville sometime in the future when he does something commercially motivated.

Gary Neville was right though. Nike has no beliefs beyond self interest. Their involvement in the StandUp, SpeakUp campaign cheapens the entire process. You could give a million reasons why that is so.

You could start with the fact that the prestigious showcase NikeTown store on Michigan Avenue in Chicago is being sued at the moment for racial bias in its employment practices, the accusations including allegedly consigning black faces to the stockroom, following black customers around the store to check they aren't shoplifting and so on.

You could point to Nike's continued support for Springbok rugby even after Geo Cronje refused to share a room with a mixed race team-mate in 2002.

Why should they have walked you might ask? Companies don't do that. Well, Nike walked on several US universities when the schools affiliated themselves to the Workers' Rights Consortium, an umbrella group which monitors the use of third world sweatshop labour by large sporting apparel companies. Indeed Phil Knight, the founder of Nike, withdrew a $30 million donation to his own alma mater, the University of Oregon, when they signed up with the WRC.

(Nike prefers to offer its support to the government-backed, sports shoe company-funded Fair Labor Association which window-dresses as well as any Niketown store. As recently as three years ago a Nike factory in Pakistan was found to have eight-year-olds stitching footballs at near slave wages. Phil Knight himself has been forced to admit that "the Nike product has become synonymous with slave wages, forced overtime and arbitrary abuse".)

Nike will shrug its big corporate shoulders and say "We just got cheap stuff. Who knew?"

Nike knew though. The company started out in the 1970s manufacturing mainly in Japan but when that got costly they shifted back to the US where they began to suffer lawsuits about mistreatment of workers. So they spread out the manufacturing bucks in a thin layer across the Third World.

When Nike plead ignorance and state with some justification that they are now catching up you could look instead at the effort which goes into their clumsy but voracious attempts at ethnic marketing. That Nike is an opportunistic omnivore was made pretty clear many years ago when some labour activists attempted to enrol Michael Jordan in an early campaign to improve the conditions in Nike's factories. Jordan kept his lips sealed, which was a different tack to when he was asked to lend support to a fellow black North Carolinian, Harvey Gantt, when Gantt ran for the US Senate against notorious right-winger Jesse Helms. "Republicans buy sneakers, too" said Jordan.

If Republicans are a market, so too are Chinese, in whose country Nike spends 152 million Yuan a year on advertising, and so are struggling black people who can ill afford the footwear their own icons push at them. Nike's understanding of these constituencies as anything other than markets is a little offensive.

In China an ad featuring basketball player LeBron James has caused widespread offence for its use of Chinese cultural icons and for an image where women in traditional Chinese dress are depicted with American dollars falling like manna all around them.

In the US, Nike's racial sensitivities have drawn the ire of even Spike Lee, who has worked for the company in the past. Spike says he "cringed" when he saw a Nike ad featuring the same LeBron James. In this one Le Bron was displaying his b-ball skills in an African-American church stuffed with a happy-clappy swaying congregation of basketball "names".

"That LeBron James ad where he comes in the church, where negroes are flying through the air doing somersaults (and) tomahawk dunks - to me that was sacrilegious. I defy anyone to tell me that they will see a commercial that will take place in a synagogue selling any kind of products, or a Catholic church. That was a complete mockery of African-American faith and the black church."

You could cite all these things and more but perhaps Nike's biggest and most worrying contribution to race issues is the least obvious.

We'll continue with LeBron James, the teenage superstar of the NBA and the company's principal shill. The kid was sucked from the ghetto outside Cleveland at 18 years of age and handed a $90 million Nike contract before he had ever walked on to a NBA court.

Forget for a moment what that does to LeBron James. Imagine the distorting effect it has on the world he leaves behind. Imagine trying to teach kids maths and science and all things useful when the jackpot is so clearly swoosh-shaped.

Nike takes it out, Nike scalps and scours the streets for talent or for customers but Nike doesn't put it back in. Nike displays its shills as wonder people and super heroes but offers no ladder, no other help.

Nike plays dumb on issues when it suits Nike. On race, on sexual discrimination - remember Woods on the "women in Augusta National" debate? Nope. Of course not. Nike sings dumb on drugs in sport and on solutions. Nike appropriates and shapes a large part of youth and sports culture but is wilfully insensitive to the rest of the world.

So shock, Gary Neville was right. He'll learn to shut up though because we sportswriters collude in making the fantasy as much as any Nike does. Jack Johnson was crucified by us for being too cocky, Jackie Robinson was crucified for being too arrogant, Ali was crucified for refusing induction into the Army, Cantona was crucified for intellectual pretensions.

The show's the thing. The show must go or we're all sunk. An article in The Nation magazine last summer asked "where are the jocks for justice?" The answer is simple. Hiding. From us and from Nike and from the risk of being laughed at for doing some joined-up thinking.

They are hiding from the type of journalism and celebrity worship that thinks that if Hitler had invaded Poland for charity it would have been quite laudable. Just because it's Gary Neville saying something doesn't mean it's stupid. Just because it's anti-racism which it's using as a marketing instrument doesn't make Nike right.




© The Irish Times

[Karlos]

The Independent - 14th Feb. 2005


Thierry Henry launched a veiled attack on the England defender Gary Neville after the Manchester United player criticised the commercialism of the Stand Up, Speak Up anti-racism campaign.

Neville welcomed the anti-racism initiatives taken by England and the Netherlands during their friendly at Villa Park last Wednesday, but warned that commercial companies were in danger of using such campaigns for free publicity. But without directly naming Neville, Henry chose to defend his leading role in Nike's campaign.

"People should go above that," the Frenchman said. "When I phoned Nike I phoned Nike for help. I will never thank them enough for saying 'yes'.

"When players don't say anything and don't take their own destiny in their own hands people say 'players never do or say anything'.

"That is why I really admire people like John Barnes, Cyrille Regis - because they are the guys who made it possible for us [black players] to come [to England]. Those people have helped a lot.

"If one bad thing had happened to them and they had walked off the pitch and said 'I'm not playing' maybe it wouldn't have been the way it is now in England."

[Peadar]

i think this stand up speak campaingn will be very affective and it will drown out racists

I genuinely doubt that!
It will certainly highlight the problem for a few months but it's unlikely to change the attitudes of hardned racists.
The most positive thing we can hope for is that minority groups within sport are afforded greater protection.

[WeAreRovers]

I can't believe that I'm in total agreement with Gary Neville AND Tom Humphries. This Stand Up Speak Out campaign makes me feel quite ill. It's the most disgusting marketing tool I've heard of in a long time. Thierry Henry is a fool for allowing himself to be used like this.

Fair play to Neville for speaking out and fair play to himself and Keane for refusing to play along with this nonsense. Say no to racism and no to Nike.

KOH

[Ruairi]

I can't believe that I'm in total agreement with Gary Neville AND Tom Humphries. This Stand Up Speak Out campaign makes me feel quite ill. It's the most disgusting marketing tool I've heard of in a long time. Thierry Henry is a fool for allowing himself to be used like this.

Fair play to Neville for speaking out and fair play to himself and Keane for refusing to play along with this nonsense. Say no to racism and no to Nike.

KOH

in total agreement. the thing's a sham.

[Macy]

Henry must have missed the long running "Lets Kick Racism out of football", must be something like 10 years since it started, without the need for Nike involvement.

[Ruairi]

i utterly disagree with you!!! those wristbands are sold out everywhere because people want to drown the racists out. And that will happen when all the the racists are surrownded by all the non racists!!

do you work for nike or something??

[Peadar]

those wristbands are sold out everywhere because people want to drown the racists out.

People buy wristbands to make themselves feel better.
In reality, at a football game or whatever, if there is a group of people who want to racially abuse a player, I doubt many will stand up to them.
That's the reality of it.
When you've been to enough football game you'll see that reality.


yes ruairi im 14 and i work for nike

You must be senior management now at your age! :D

[dahamsta]

People buy wristbands to make themselves feel better.I disagree. I think most people buy the wristbands because the players wear them, and they're easily led. Hence my earlier, highly offensive, "fashion victims" taunt.

adam

[Peadar]

well obviously if they are sold out everywhere there will be a big majorty at a football match who want to drown them out.

Have you ever been to a football game!? :rolleyes:
I would guess that the mojority of people buying these wristbands are kids and they will have little influence on the offending adults at a football game with a large attendance. I haven't seen a single adult wearing one outside of the football players, which is why I have to assume that they were bought by kids.
I guess in a way I'm agreeing with Adam's "fashion victims" theory.

[Peadar]

and they are clearly not bought buy all kids if they are sold out everywhere!!

Ok aldodo, the next time I hear racist abuse at a football game I'll summon the wristband brigade to put a stop to it. :rolleyes:
I would bet your pocket money that want a wristband so that you can go to school and show it off to your mates.
You don't need one to be against racisim.


yes i have been to three man utd games!!

I take it one of them wasn't the ManUre v Chelski game or you would have put a stop to the racist abuse directed towards Duff each time he took a corner.
Perhaps if you had your wristband the abusers would have been scared into silence. :rolleyes:

[WeAreRovers]

Can we just hand over all the Post of the Month awards to Aldodo? He has about 6 contenders on this thread alone. :)

KOH

[cullenswood]

When I was young I used to play footy outside during my mid-term break, not write post after post on my PC!

[Peadar]

When I was young I used to play footy outside during my mid-term break, not write post after post on my PC!

Ah the good old days. :D


if you were clever enough to look at the other pages you would know i want one!! but not to show to all my schoolmates. why would i do that??

Why do you feel you need to have one if you're not going to show it to people? Why do you feel that you must have a wristband in order to be against racism?

[Ruairi]

Ah the good old days. :D



Why do you feel you need to have one if you're not going to show it to people? Why do you feel that you must have a wristband in order to be against racism?


because nike says you should!! :rolleyes:

[De Town]

2 things for you aldodo...

1, your just asking to be banned with the amount of spamming your doing here. We know you want a fcuking wristband, you don't have to keep asking over and over and over.....

2, Im going to London this weekend and Im sure theres plenty of them overthere, but I couldnt be bothered to buy 1 for you because of your constant posting about wanting 1. Your annoying me and I would say your annoying everyone else, esp. dahamsta, telling him he doesn't have a clue.... he must be really pi$$ed off reading your crap so why don't you let it lie...

[De Town]

of course im going to show to people but im not going to wave it around as a fashion item!! if i get one it's cause i support the campaign
So you have to have a wristband to support the campaign?

[De Town]

obviously not but i would like one!

So its a fashion statement ;)

[Peadar]

1, i don't give a crap if i get banned cause most of the people on this site are idiods

Ever think that since you're in the minority that it may indeed be you who is the idiot?
If you had showed a little respect, someone on here would, no doubt, have found a wristband for you and posted it to you.
We're nice guys like that.

[Pat O' Banton]

Yeah Peadar stop bullying the kid ;) , I mean him and his generation are going to get rid of rasicism from the world, mainly it would appear by wearing coperate logo wrist bands and typing things on football message boards :rolleyes: :D

[De Town]

Ever think that since you're in the minority that it may indeed be you who is the idiot?
If you had showed a little respect, someone on here would, no doubt, have found a wristband for you and posted it to you.
We're nice guys like that.

Great point Peader. As I said, im going to London and I would surely have found 1 somewhere but because of his antics, I couldnt be ars€d.

[dahamsta]

no de town YOU can pi$$ off i own this threadOne more smart comment and you'll be suspended from the site.

adam

[Karlos]

In reality, at a football game or whatever, if there is a group of people who want to racially abuse a player, I doubt many will stand up to them.
That's the reality of it. :D


One thing that all seater stadia has been useful for however is picking out of racists without having to confront them at the time. All you need to do is pop off to a steward and give him the seat number of an offender and you've done your part. Having done this on 3 occaisions now at Lansdowne Road all be it twice by following up with a letter to the FAI. we have been told that the persons in question had their ticket revoked due to the cpmplaints received from a group of us and evidence from the steward. You can stand up and speak out in many ways and people should not have to tolerate racist abuse at football because thet are scared of confrontation.

I have bought the wristband, not as a fashion statement but to show that I am against racism at football and that I will do whatever I can to highlight the problem. I have also bought a 'livestrong' wrist band for the members of my family and families worldwide who are surviving cancer everyday. For some people these things can be fashion led of course but not everyone should be tarred with the same brush.

p.s. those people wearing yellow wristbands not from the 'LIVEStrong' cancer research organistaion as a pure fashion accessory really do undermine the struggle that people face daily and what the wear yellow campaign signifies for millions of cancer survivors.

I think both campaigns have helped highlight two serious issues for me and my support for both will last long after the current fad has died.

[tiktok]

here's your slogan.....

Wristbands! Because AIDS ribbons are so 1994! :rolleyes:

I see kids with these up and down their arms all the time, they have pink ones for breast cancer awareness, anti-bullying ones, anti-racism one, Lance Armstrongs yellow cancer research ones, it's absolutely a fashion statement.

Nike realise this, they'll give the wristbands away at cost; not free by the way, they're charging 25% for producing them, is it charity if it costs them nothing???

Tom Humprhries and Gary Neville are bang on the money, I give it a couple of months before ultra-humane Nike bring out the T-shirts