Limerick Premier Division 2016/17

[booster 03]

I'm not arguing the toss anymore with you. Your agenda has been there for all to see all season.

agreed, very obvious and dilutes his good pieces imo with the constant referencing of the said management team. Carew had a similar fall off the season after they won their first league, it was always going to be a big ask to retain the league whoever came in as manager. All the credit to the recent up turn in Carew's season was given to Albert and the reverting to this great formation..yet straight away after a bad defeat it falls on Mike and the bad structure within the club, and it has been the case all season, at every point you've taken every chance possible to stick in the knife.To be honest its gutter journalism at its best. If a personal gripe conflicts your writing you should not be doing it.

[AlanOB]

The credit for the recent upturn was correctly attributed, based on what I was told from within the club.

Whether you like it or not, I don't include anything in my articles unless I can be sure beyond reasonable doubt of truth. That goes doubly for the Leader stuff, obviously.

As for your take on my coverage of their recent big defeat, I don't recall absolving Albert for it, or blaming the structure in the club. Nor did I blame the previous/current manager. The officials took more flak in that piece than anyone.

As always Mike C, people see what they want to see. For all my flaws, at least I I'm honest and upfront about who I am and what I believe.

[Treaty Gooner]

Booster nailed it, a proper local football man with what must be more than 20 years in the league (sorry Mike!). Aherne has stuck it out in a **** situation when some managers walked very early this season when the going got tough and that takes balls.

Some big games this wkend, I'm going with:

Balla, Moyross, Kilmallock all to progress in the Cup.

Two home wins in the league but they'll be tight games.

[limfan]

Hopefully there will be a good crowd tomorrow night. Two teams who score lots of goals, a very entertaining game in store.

[booster 03]

Booster nailed it, a proper local football man with what must be more than 20 years in the league (sorry Mike!). Aherne has stuck it out in a **** situation when some managers walked very early this season when the going got tough and that takes balls.

Some big games this wkend, I'm going with:

Balla, Moyross, Kilmallock all to progress in the Cup.

Two home wins in the league but they'll be tight games.

Agreed.

[Fairkop]

Booster nailed it, a proper local football man with what must be more than 20 years in the league (sorry Mike!). Aherne has stuck it out in a **** situation when some managers walked very early this season when the going got tough and that takes balls.

Some big games this wkend, I'm going with:

Balla, Moyross, Kilmallock all to progress in the Cup.

Two home wins in the league but they'll be tight games.a bit confused here TG,what exactly takes balls?you reference Carews manager sticking it out when others have walked ,surely their the ones with the ..balls..principle of the club before pride i would have thought and the fact that last seasons manager is now back in the dressingroom means exactly what for the ...present...manager,he is being totally undermined is he not?as i have previously said it was,n a struggling team inherited it was a double winning team,its been a disasterous season for them.

[Treaty Gooner]

Principle of the club before pride? Walking away when things are tough takes balls? No wonder you're confused. Jesus wept. I think that's enough internet for one day.

[Kennycon]

The credit for the recent upturn was correctly attributed, based on what I was told from within the club.

Whether you like it or not, I don't include anything in my articles unless I can be sure beyond reasonable doubt of truth. That goes doubly for the Leader stuff, obviously.

As for your take on my coverage of their recent big defeat, I don't recall absolving Albert for it, or blaming the structure in the club. Nor did I blame the previous/current manager. The officials took more flak in that piece than anyone.

As always Mike C, people see what they want to see. For all my flaws, at least I I'm honest and upfront about who I am and what I believe.

A.O.B some of the stuff you report is second hand information and not accurate and some people will tell you what you want to hear so it is hard too take some parts of your reports seriously and please don't take that personal.

[AlanOB]

With all due respect Kennycon, I'm intelligent enough not to trust what one person tells me, with no supporting evidence.

You're free to take my work seriously or not. I won't take that personally. But I do strongly reject the notion that I would print something in the local newspaper without making sure it's true.

Most of the people on here under pseudonyms have agendas. Some of them don't like to see their buddies held up to the light.

Unfortunately, the truth is the truth. And I go to great lengths every week to make sure I tell it.

With Carew, I've been hearing an incredible story almost every week since August. I genuinely could have written something interesting about them every week if I was that way inclined.

But I didn't, because I didn't get enough sources to corroborate certain things, even if they were almost certainly true. Plus, I would have had the phony pseuds on here crowing even louder about bias - although, predictably that's happened anyway.

That's the high standard I hold myself to. Honesty and integrity mean everything to me, which is why I find certain pockets of Limerick junior soccer impossible to stomach. I think that's what Fairkop was trying to say above, in a roundabout way.

[booster 03]

With all due respect Kennycon, I'm intelligent enough not to trust what one person tells me, with no supporting evidence.

You're free to take my work seriously or not. I won't take that personally. But I do strongly reject the notion that I would print something in the local newspaper without making sure it's true.

Most of the people on here under pseudonyms have agendas. Some of them don't like to see their buddies held up to the light.

Unfortunately, the truth is the truth. And I go to great lengths every week to make sure I tell it.

With Carew, I've been hearing an incredible story almost every week since August. I genuinely could have written something interesting about them every week if I was that way inclined.

But I didn't, because I didn't get enough sources to corroborate certain things, even if they were almost certainly true. Plus, I would have had the phony pseuds on here crowing even louder about bias - although, predictably that's happened anyway.

That's the high standard I hold myself to. Honesty and integrity mean everything to me, which is why I find certain pockets of Limerick junior soccer impossible to stomach. I think that's what Fairkop was trying to say above, in a roundabout way.

Alan, the only person I can see with an agenda is you, and im not the only one, and that is against Carew Park and the manager. No point in having a discussion with you on it or any of your pieces ( which in the norm are excellent ) because any hint of debate or constructive words against it lead to you justifying it and taken any opinion against your individual article as a personal gripe or agenda. This is my last comment on the issue, if you want to discuss it in more detail you know where to find me.

[passandmove]

The 2 goals Carew gave away wer shocking but other than that I taught they bossed the game , if a team changes every week then these mistakes will happen , maybe the playing staff need to have a long look at themselves, maybe it's not all the managements fault

[AlanOB]

Alan, the only person I can see with an agenda is you, and im not the only one, and that is against Carew Park and the manager. No point in having a discussion with you on it or any of your pieces ( which in the norm are excellent ) because any hint of debate or constructive words against it lead to you justifying it and taken any opinion against your individual article as a personal gripe or agenda. This is my last comment on the issue, if you want to discuss it in more detail you know where to find me.

I know who you are and where to find you "booster", as I've shown already. It's a shame you didn't have the integrity to contact me through that medium or, even better, over the phone or in person, to express your reservations.

The last time you trashed me under this pseudonym, I approached you on FB to see if you would admit that transgression. You didn't of course.

We all have agendas. Some of the indignities visited upon me by the parties in question are a matter of public record. Many, many more aren't. Because, contrary to your views, August aside, I have tried very hard not to let my justifiable anger infect my writing.

Your agenda is a different one to the rest I imagine, bearing in mind the advice you came to me about a few years ago, of which I've breathed a word to no-one. Would you rather I was still plugging away without any success, however small? If so, you have a lot in common with a few others I can think of ...

Using a pseud was sad years ago when I first signed up here. Now, in 2017, after the advent of social media, it's just pathetic.

[booster 03]

I know who you are and where to find you "booster", as I've shown already. It's a shame you didn't have the integrity to contact me through that medium or, even better, over the phone or in person, to express your reservations.

The last time you trashed me under this pseudonym, I approached you on FB to see if you would admit that transgression. You didn't of course.

We all have agendas. Some of the indignities visited upon me by the parties in question are a matter of public record. Many, many more aren't. Because, contrary to your views, August aside, I have tried very hard not to let my justifiable anger infect my writing.

Your agenda is a different one to the rest I imagine, bearing in mind the advice you came to me about a few years ago, of which I've breathed a word to no-one. Would you rather I was still plugging away without any success, however small? If so, you have a lot in common with a few others I can think of ...

Using a pseud was sad years ago when I first signed up here. Now, in 2017, after the advent of social media, it's just pathetic.

The world and its cousins are not out to strike you down. I recall the conversation I had with you and just to double check I went back over it where I said I didn't like your piece regarding some topic, Im on this forum over ten years and my pseud as you call it is not a big secret. In the same conversation I commended your work and above also. I can have this conversation on any medium you so wish.

I think the morale of this conversation is, praise you on your articles but don't dare question or criticize you on any of it.

Anyway, enough for one day.

[AlanOB]

People, including my supporters, criticise elements of my articles all the time. Often they are absolutely right, and that criticism improves my work.

You, and others on here, are doing something else -- claiming that I am writing lies, in a newspaper no less, in the pursuit of an agenda against an individual and a club.

I am perfectly entitled to vigourously defend myself against a serious accusation like that, Mike. That is not even in the same zip code as "constructive criticism".

Finally, you don't even know the beginning of the action that has been taken against me in the last six months. Not even the beginning. Because you never asked. If you had, I would have happily filled you in.

[superblues37]

when you first appeared on the scene your reports were actually quite enjoyable to read and they were honest, however as the months went on the praise got to your head because your started demanding to be paid for your "excellent" work which is laughable. since then its everyone is against me mentality with you and its just childish. youve a vendetta against mike and pat because theyve taken what you think you DESERVE but believe they have been around long before you and long after you trust me on that one. your reports and "articles" in the papers are just excuses to have sly digs at anyone who disagrees with your opinions and as for your so called podcasts they were an actually disgrace because that anytime you asked a question to someone on that and they gave an answer you didnt like you just brushed them off or changed the subject quickly.

[the 12 th man]

Lads can we take it to PM with the personal stuff and keep the thread for football talk,thanks.

[superblues37]

pity a certain "journalist" couldnt follow your advice instead of using every opportunity he gets to question some peoples creditals with snide remarks but unfortunately his ego wont allow him

[AlanOB]

Fairview Rangers 1-2 Janesboro: Tuohy final for ten-man ‘Boro (https://limerickdl.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/fairview-rangers-1-2-janesboro-tuohy-final-for-ten-man-boro/)

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You'd want to match up superblues37's IP address with a certain very active user on the Limerick FC forum, the 12th man! Going by his post history, that account looks like it was specifically created to have a pop at me, and I'd know that wall-of-text, writing "style" anywhere.

And, hey, at least I know who Eoin Hand is...:o

[rooster]

Lads looking in from the outside here but at the end of the day it's junior football and not the professional game , fellas have bigger priorities at stake like family's and their livelihood to worry about with out seeing their name plastered all over forums and local papers etc because they went on a bad run or lost a few poxy games .
Match reports are fine but that's all they should be , as I think it's great for the Limerick league to hi light some of the top players in the country at junior level

[Treaty Gooner]

Spot on Rooster

[AlanOB]

Not really.

There are three planks upon which the "it's only junior soccer" argument, that is so often trotted out, falls:

1. Everyone, including the people who say "it's only junior soccer", takes the game extremely seriously.

2. At Premier Division level, for some players and almost all managers, the game is far from amateur, and therefore not separate from those folks' "livelihoods". You only need to look at the clutch of players who have voluntarily dropped down from the SSE Airtricity League to junior/intermediate level, in recent weeks, to see what kind of incentives might be available at this level.

3. Finally, opinion-oriented pieces on the GAA, such as those long-written by Martin Kiely for the same newspaper, are considered kosher by all, even though that sport is far cleaner from an incentives perspective -- a complete double-standard.

[sizzler]

Not really.

There are three planks upon which the "it's only junior soccer" argument, that is so often trotted out, falls:

1. Everyone, including the people who say "it's only junior soccer", takes the game extremely seriously.

2. At Premier Division level, for some players and almost all managers, the game is far from amateur, and therefore not separate from those folks' "livelihoods". You only need to look at the clutch of players who have voluntarily dropped down from the SSE Airtricity League to junior/intermediate level, in recent weeks, to see what kind of incentives might be available at this level.

3. Finally, opinion-oriented pieces on the GAA, such as those long-written by Martin Kiely for the same newspaper, are considered kosher by all, even though that sport is far cleaner from an incentives perspective -- a complete double-standard. Just on point 2 you have no facts on what you talking about here so that makes your point false and inaccurate.For a journalist to make a comment on this is crazy and could get you into trouble.How do you know these lads that left loi don't have time or have other commitments ie work,kids or even not good enough for loi anymore..Stick to the match reports and leave all the other things out and you will be fine.

[AlanOB]

It's possible of course that some of the LOI lads -- incidentally, I'm talking outside Limerick here, as I'm pretty sure there aren't any examples of anyone dropping down voluntarily here -- aren't getting anything from their new amateur clubs. That's why I used the word "might".

But what do you think yourself?

[sizzler]

I think yes but I'm not reporting on games and it won't effect my work if I mention it on forums.You seem to pride yourself on facts this is one fact you won't get to the end of.That's why I think you would be better off sticking to what happens on the field and not off it.

[AlanOB]

Match reports are solely a hobby at the moment. I write an opinion piece for the newspaper, which takes in off the field issues.

But I appreciate your input.

[Treaty Gooner]

1. They do, because of tradition, locality or family history among many other things, including the enjoyment of winning or playing well and the craic after games. Some fellas go overboard at times and there's always gossip. But I'm afraid it IS only junior soccer.

2. Foot.ie has gotten into trouble with fellas throwing accusations of players or managers being paid around over the years, I don't think they'd welcome that kind of talk.

3. What about netball? Snooker? Lacrosse? This isn't the GAA. If anyone thinks what you said about players and incentives in that sport isn't true, they need to wake up a little.

Saw the Boro Fairview game tonight, first time in Jackman in a while, dressing rooms look great so well done LDMC. While I'm washing my mouth out, the two dodgy penos aside it was a poor enough game. Pitch was terrible.

[AlanOB]

1. You've actually contradicted yourself in your response, which shows how much I'm wasting my time here. Amazing.

2. I never said anything about people getting paid. Meanwhile, your concern about foot.ie has rendered you incapable of actually acknowledging the point....again, amazing.

3. Once again, dodging the point, rather than acknowledging the double-standard you and others are engaged in.

At this stage, it's silly of me to even bother. Arguing with nameless, faceless folk who will engage in all kinds of pretzel logic to avoid giving any ground is totally pointless.

[Treaty Gooner]

Jesus man, nobody comes on here just for a row. Going back the years the craic here was brilliant. And part of that might have been because of anonymity. Now every second page is you having a fight with everyone who questions anything you've said. Mods, last thing I want is the thread locked because personally, I'm on here 10 years and it's a great source of information. There's a common denominator to all the rubbish and personal stuff.

[limfan]

Aaaaaaaaanyways back to the football last night.

I though the referee was pretty poor. Harsh sending off for curtain, two dodgy penalty decisions and one or two more players from both teams lucky not to be sent off but i guess a cup tie can always throw up all of the above!

Pitch was in poor nick, Boro were solid and if they didnt have Clarke up top they would struggle to get and create goals, tierney is a big miss as their playmaker behind the striker. Fairview played the much better football but as soon as they got to the final third they struggled. They could do with a Clarke of their own.

Looking forward to the game sunday morning. On a bigger pitch and at home id have to go with a home win.

[faceoff]

1. You've actually contradicted yourself in your response, which shows how much I'm wasting my time here. Amazing.

2. I never said anything about people getting paid. Meanwhile, your concern about foot.ie has rendered you incapable of actually acknowledging the point....again, amazing.

3. Once again, dodging the point, rather than acknowledging the double-standard you and others are engaged in.

At this stage, it's silly of me to even bother. Arguing with nameless, faceless folk who will engage in all kinds of pretzel logic to avoid giving any ground is totally pointless.

When the shoe is on the other foot you just cant hack it.Well able to dish it out but cant take it back.And you have said players were paid in the past.Your not getting the publicity you crave and its eating you up.

[the 12 th man]

Lads,I've already asked nicely to move on.
There's a PM facility for personal conversations or he said-she said posts,they're not happening here,next post even resembling non match talk will get a suspension.

Don't say you weren't warned.

[deadly man]

Any match report from view boro AOB?

[deadly man]

Anymore podcasts on the horizon AOB?
some big games locally the weekend,obviously the pick of them pike and boro,mcgann back with pike,pike to shade it for me in by the odd goal
nenagh should beat balla
view will beat dines by 4/5
weather permitted of course

[Kennycon]

Anymore podcasts on the horizon AOB?
some big games locally the weekend,obviously the pick of them pike and boro,mcgann back with pike,pike to shade it for me in by the odd goal
nenagh should beat balla
view will beat dines by 4/5
weather permitted of course

Pike should win but won't be easy mc Cann like a new signing for pike , nenagh and fairview to win

[Treaty Gooner]

All games off?

[Jofspring]

All games off?

Sure are.

[Kennycon]

A big well done to AA tonight well deserved win, can't remember the last time they were rewarded for their efforts in junior soccer, tough week for the boro I think poor discipline seems to be a huge factor in the squad in recent times some great players now have to focus on the league.

[AlanOB]

Aisling Annacotty 2-1 Janesboro (AET): Aisling end 39-year wait for glory (https://limerickdl.wordpress.com/2017/03/16/aisling-annacotty-2-1-janesboro-aet-aisling-end-39-year-wait-for-glory/)https://limerickdl.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/aaborotuohy.jpg?w=600

[Kennycon]

Aisling Annacotty 2-1 Janesboro (AET): Aisling end 39-year wait for glory (https://limerickdl.wordpress.com/2017/03/16/aisling-annacotty-2-1-janesboro-aet-aisling-end-39-year-wait-for-glory/)https://limerickdl.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/aaborotuohy.jpg?w=600

Delighted for AA didn't realise it was so long since they won a trophy hopefully more to come, it was a strange line up from the boro right full playing right side of midfield, wide player more central and centre half at right full , I still think boro will come good but really need to sort out their discipline problems, great write up very accurate.

[Fairkop]

Delighted for AA didn't realise it was so long since they won a trophy hopefully more to come, it was a strange line up from the boro right full playing right side of midfield, wide player more central and centre half at right full , I still think boro will come good but really need to sort out their discipline problems, great write up very accurate.

Kennycon you continue to surprise us ,actually praising an AOB report?....and low and behold referring to it as accurate..what happened to AOBs reports being frought with secondhand information and not very accurate.........oh i forgot sure Janesboro lost of course it was accurate.your continous anti Janesboro rethoric on this is starting to grow horns,what happened rejected as a player or something.

[Kennycon]

Kennycon you continue to surprise us ,actually praising an AOB report?....and low and behold referring to it as accurate..what happened to AOBs reports being frought with secondhand information and not very accurate.........oh i forgot sure Janesboro lost of course it was accurate.your continous anti Janesboro rethoric on this is starting to grow horns,what happened rejected as a player or something.

this report was accurate not all AOB reports are accurate and where is my anti boro I just stated are you not reading AOB reports Bradly , Shane Clark , Thomas Clarke and the manager have all been sent off that's not anti boro that's facts.

[deadly man]

Bradley Centre Back last night,what was Aidan Ryan thinking?
the lad is one of the best centre midfielders in the country
and starting thomas clarke ahead of richie mullins last week is just laughable

[Kennycon]

[QUOTE=deadly man;1911944]Bradley Centre Back last night,what was Aidan Ryan thinking?
the lad is one of the best centre midfielders in the country
and starting thomas clarke ahead of richie mullins last week is just laughable[/QUOTE

I don't think Aidan ryan is the manager I think Shane o Hanlon is , I don't think boro needed to play players out of position

[AlanOB]

Fairview Rangers 4-0 Nenagh AFC: Ten-man Tipp side lose ground at the top (https://limerickdl.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/fairview-rangers-4-0-nenagh-afc-ten-man-tipp-side-lose-ground-at-the-top/)https://limerickdl.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/viewnen.jpg?w=600

[Fairkop]

Fairview Rangers 4-0 Nenagh AFC: Ten-man Tipp side lose ground at the top (https://limerickdl.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/fairview-rangers-4-0-nenagh-afc-ten-man-tipp-side-lose-ground-at-the-top/)https://limerickdl.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/viewnen.jpg?w=600

Very good accurate report AOB,thought Fairview fully deserved to win this one ,Nenagh must be sick of the sight of them,Doyle was a handfull upfront though one of those Nenagh centrehalfs didnt look like he was at the races,also thought Nenagh would play more football but as you pointed out shape of team didnt allow it.some hammering for Regional again Pike are on a good run,Janesboro got important points.

[deadly man]

Fairview Rangers 4-0 Nenagh AFC: Ten-man Tipp side lose ground at the top (https://limerickdl.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/fairview-rangers-4-0-nenagh-afc-ten-man-tipp-side-lose-ground-at-the-top/)

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Enjoyable read AOB,fairplay
is there anyway u could do a podcast with Paulie O Donnell and Eddie o 'Donovan before the MJC semi final?

[Jofspring]

Bradley Centre Back last night,what was Aidan Ryan thinking?
the lad is one of the best centre midfielders in the country
and starting thomas clarke ahead of richie mullins last week is just laughable

Hasn't Bradley played CB a lot this season? Pretty sure he has anyway.

[Kennycon]

Hasn't Bradley played CB a lot this season? Pretty sure he has anyway.

He has but more effective at midfield very good player to have in your squad

[Treaty Gooner]

I see Regional have parted ways with Brian O'Callaghan, surely Mike Ahern nailed on to go in there next season.

[southern kid]

That is a pity as Brian gave his all to regional, at the end of the day the players there are only v average and probably competing above themselves. What happened to the few desmond league lads they normally brought in? I seen Lyons play for them earlier in season and his performance was v poor as was many more. Best of luck Brian, a good honest chap.. I doubt v much Mike Ahern would go back there,regional just not good enough to compete against the top 4/5..