Should their be a League of Ireland Development League.

[ybig]

The gap between u19 and Senior football is too big imo. In my opinion their should be a development league or u21( 3 over age players rule) present.


It would help develop promising U19 players who are not yet ready for first team, instead of dropping to intermediate or junior football.
Give Squad players game time.
1st team players returning from injury
Possibly prominig Intermediate/ Junior players chace o trial with LOI clubs

The system seems to work very well in Scotland, who are beginning to improve at Youth level.


Thoughts?

[nigel-harps1954]

We used to have that with A Championship but the 'big' clubs voted to get rid of it.

[Philosophizer]

There should definitely be something in place to bridge the gap between the u19s and senior LOI.

In my opinion, best options are:

2) Re-instate the Connacht senior league, and allow LOI teams to put B teams into the senior leagues if they want. (there would be a lot of LOI teams going into the LSL but they could be split out between the top 3/4 divisions.) This would give young players a competitive environment to progress.

1) A return of the A Championship (or something similar) with a mix of LOI B teams, and clubs that hope to become LOI clubs one day, like we had previously with Castlebar, Carlow, Tralee etc etc

[ybig]

There should definitely be something in place to bridge the gap between the u19s and senior LOI.

In my opinion, best options are:

2) Re-instate the Connacht senior league, and allow LOI teams to put B teams into the senior leagues if they want. (there would be a lot of LOI teams going into the LSL but they could be split out between the top 3/4 divisions.) This would give young players a competitive environment to progress.

1) A return of the A Championship (or something similar) with a mix of LOI B teams, and clubs that hope to become LOI clubs one day, like we had previously with Castlebar, Carlow, Tralee etc etc


Not a chance LOI clubs could into the LSL in my opinion.

Yea the idea that of clubs possibly joining the league would be could. Could be worth splitting a possible League into Northern and Southern divisions.

Teams like Dundalk, Rovers, Cork, St Pats could field very strong sides. Especially the 3 latter which would benefit their fringe players and the players they are playing against.

[vinnie]

We used to have that with A Championship but the 'big' clubs voted to get rid of it.

The worst decision in recent history IMO was to scrap the A Championship

[ybig]

I just looked through the A championship results on Wikipedia. Had forgotten about it. Seemed like a v good competition for developing players. Looking through the goalscorers for a number of sides. Alot of familar names.

[Titan]

There was no appetite for the A championship from league clubs. I don't understand why they scrapped the U21 league. Allowing 3 or even 4 overage players would be good for everyone but I don't think it's coming back anytime soon.

If it must be reserve teams then why not let them enter the LSL, MSL etc? It's not like we have a pyramid system. Is it a case that the junior ballers don't want to have LOI teams devaluing their brand?😜😃

[ybig]

There was no appetite for the A championship from league clubs. I don't understand why they scrapped the U21 league. Allowing 3 or even 4 overage players would be good for everyone but I don't think it's coming back anytime soon.

If it must be reserve teams then why not let them enter the LSL, MSL etc? It's not like we have a pyramid system. Is it a case that the junior ballers don't want to have LOI teams devaluing their brand?

Hard to make that work with the LSL and MSL being winter leagues. Possibly what might work is something like this. Think cost of travle may have been a major factor in A Championship disbanding

[BoyInGreen]

I think that Cabinteely, Finn Harps and Derry City all have reserve teams in their respective amateur leagues.

If the A Championship is to return, I think that there should be three divisions instead to two: Dublin and the commuter belt, Munster and South Leinster, and the BMW region. This would be very attractive for clubs in the Dublin area and would attract a lot of interest from LSL clubs, while clubs in the other two divisions would avoid having to travel to Dublin, which would surely reduce travel costs.

[Jofspring]

As far as I can remember Limerick were all for keeping it. It was giving players gametime and players coming back from injury some games also.

As it stands if you don't jump from Limerick Under 19's to the senior team you go back to junior soccer. Some potentially very talented players have been lost to junior soccer and quiet a few have never really progressed since or have lost interest.

[outspoken]

All comes down to money. Too expensive won't happen. It is needed though.....badly needed.

[gufcfan]

There was no appetite for the A championship from league clubs.

There are times when clubs need to be forced to do things for their own good. A few clubs saw the necessity of it, but not enough.

[DRDoc]

I think that Cabinteely, Finn Harps and Derry City all have reserve teams in their respective amateur leagues.



Dont forget UCD

[disgruntled]

There was no appetite for the A championship from league clubs. I don't understand why they scrapped the U21 league. Allowing 3 or even 4 overage players would be good for everyone but I don't think it's coming back anytime soon.

If it must be reserve teams then why not let them enter the LSL, MSL etc? It's not like we have a pyramid system. Is it a case that the junior ballers don't want to have LOI teams devaluing their brand?

Not going to happen because for instance the MSL refused to allow Cork City enter a team even though City fulfilled all the criteria for membership. City were willing to enter the MSL at 2nd div level which is poor to say the least but the MSL refused even though other teams pulled out. That's the type of bitterness you are up against in Soccer in this country. City appealed the decision but lost because the people who heard the appeal were some of the people who refused them in the 1st place. City could have taken it further but didn't want to upset the FAI so they chickened out.


Hard to make that work with the LSL and MSL being winter leagues. Possibly what might work is something like this. Think cost of travle may have been a major factor in A Championship disbanding[/QUOTE]

Yet we now have an under 19 & under 17 Leagues along with all the expense involved in that.


[QUOTE=gufcfan;1853502]There are times when clubs need to be forced to do things for their own good. A few clubs saw the necessity of it, but not enough.

It should be part of LOI membership that an under 21 or development league team be entered as well. If it can be done with the under age leagues then it should be done with the under 21's. Its a no brainer.

[ybig]

Their were more games in the A Championship, it also wasnt regionalized aswell as the U19 and u17 imo.
Too many players who are not ready at 19 are lost to the game at Senior level, whne they could be good enough at 22-23.
In nearly every country their is at least a reserve or U21/ Development league.
However With the standard of the 1st division atm, some players have been getting experience and doing well at that level.

[Briuk]

Yet we now have an under 19 & under 17 Leagues along with all the expense involved in that.


When you are 16,17,18,19 you dream in becoming footballer you ritme doesn't worth much as long as you can pass your exams and leaving cert. When you start getting older you wonder if the time invested in football is worth it and In my opinion what those teams were struggling to find was players able to commit to do so many km and thats the problem for this kind of championship. A Championship was requiring big commitment and it's difficult to get players at that age to do it for free. It also tends to burn players, because this sides use them for trainings with the first team etc.

[nigel-harps1954]

Everyone is bringing up the issue of finances regarding A Championship and extending the League of Ireland to under-19, under-17 and under-15. Therein lies the problem with the League of Ireland in general.
Too many clubs would rather blow their entire seasons budget chasing some pipe dream with the first team than building a club and investing in youth structures, building the club from the bottom up for the future.

Ideally, we'd be seeing every club in the League of Ireland fielding an under-15, 17's and 19's, development squad (under 21 or 23) and a senior team. In my view, all of this should be a mandatory requirement for league clubs to field each of these teams as it's the only way the league will grow. Delighted to see the under-17 league starting this year and under-15 league on the way, but unless they have somewhere to go after under-19 it's all in vain and pretty pointless.

[gufcfan]

Ideally, we'd be seeing every club in the League of Ireland fielding an under-15, 17's and 19's, development squad (under 21 or 23) and a senior team. In my view, all of this should be a mandatory requirement for league clubs to field each of these teams as it's the only way the league will grow.

The FAI haven't even enforced mandatory teams for everyone at u17 and u19 level. We all know what the way forward is, but with people more worried about their position than fixing anything, we'll never get anywhere.

Ruud Dokter has managed more than I thought he would, but it's still only a drop in the bucket.

[legendz]

The worst decision in recent history IMO was to scrap the A Championship
I fully agree. A number of First Division clubs entered teams at the time when it was only mandatory for Premier Division clubs to do so.

It's great anyway to see Kerry making some form of return in the shape of the U17 league. Any aspiring regions should at least start at underage level and see where that goes.

[Charlie Darwin]

Everyone is bringing up the issue of finances regarding A Championship and extending the League of Ireland to under-19, under-17 and under-15. Therein lies the problem with the League of Ireland in general.
Too many clubs would rather blow their entire seasons budget chasing some pipe dream with the first team than building a club and investing in youth structures, building the club from the bottom up for the future.

Ideally, we'd be seeing every club in the League of Ireland fielding an under-15, 17's and 19's, development squad (under 21 or 23) and a senior team. In my view, all of this should be a mandatory requirement for league clubs to field each of these teams as it's the only way the league will grow. Delighted to see the under-17 league starting this year and under-15 league on the way, but unless they have somewhere to go after under-19 it's all in vain and pretty pointless.
Would be ideal to see leagues all the way from u15 to u21 and senior, but realistically the FAI has to choose which to push first and the u15s is the more pressing one.

[Nesta99]

The most cost effective 'solution' to the gap from underage to senior is to allow some overage players at U21 especially for players who were injured. Is Affiliation with junior clubs allowed or would it be a minefield with player registration? Dundalk have been lucky enough to be able to send some of the younger players out on loan to the likes of Warrenpoint but there has been player attrition with the former youths that are down the pecking order. Good players but their development totally stalls without game time so they move on when which is really a waste of the investment in the player made by the club. We play an awful lot of friendlies throughout the year.

[legendz]

Would be ideal to see leagues all the way from u15 to u21 and senior, but realistically the FAI has to choose which to push first and the u15s is the more pressing one.
I'd agree that an U15 league is the next step to take. It's a positive development if it is true that an U15 league is in the pipeline.

If an intermediary league is ever considered again between underage and senior level, I wouldn't entirely agree with limiting it to U21. It's a level similar to the A Championship that could be used to allow new clubs the opportunity to play-off against the bottom team in the First Division.

[legendz]

Just on the topic of development league, the Kerry hurling team have had a good progression over recent years. They won Division 2A of the hurling league two years in-a-row. To earn promotion to Division 1B, the 2A winner bizarrely have to play-off against the bottom team from 1B. Kerry lost this play-off in '14 but won last year in '15. A promotion truly earned the hard way and fully deserved.
In the hurling Championship, Kerry won the second tier Christy Ring Cup last year earning promotion to the McCarthy Cup where they will enter the Leinster qualifier group containing Offaly, Laois and Carlow, similar-ish teams of Kerry's hurling level.
It is a shame that a similar possibility of progression isn't available in the League of Ireland. I can't see it changing in the next few years. I agree that the U15 league is the next step in progression for the League of Ireland structure. At some stage though the FAI should look again at putting an intermediary league below the First Division in place.

[wonder88]

While most people consider 3 teams in Galway to have been a bad idea, it did give a lot of players from the area game time and I think allow some to have a semi/pro career which would not have happened otherwise. My own view is that a 2nd Galway based league of Ireland team could be feasible.
Not sure what this proves, if anything, but only 10% of the 17-19 age group of Bundesliga contracted players get professional contracts by the time they reach 21, and more than half are not involved in football at any level.

[legendz]

When does the U17 league kick-off this year?

[nigel-harps1954]

When does the U17 league kick-off this year?

http://loi17.com/index.php/latest-news/37-2016-fixtures-released

[legendz]

http://loi17.com/index.php/latest-news/37-2016-fixtures-released
Thanks for that. Let the games begin!