A question of Religion

[Dublin12]

Speaking of the pope,is he gigging here this year?,there were talks of it to mark his 1979 tour or something,can't see a million turn out this time

[green goblin]

Speaking of the pope,is he gigging here this year?,there were talks of it to mark his 1979 tour or something,can't see a million turn out this time



Depends if his health holds out, I suppose. (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=7304148)

[lopez]

Lopez, I'd never have thought you had so much in common with those from the bible belt ;) Happy new year, John and a compliment too. :eek: Thanks for the scientific pep talk but call me ignorant or a reactionary or a Bob Jones wannabe, but I'll stick to believing in God if that's fine by you. :p ;)

[Éanna]

If they married, had a test and setled down then there would be no AID's (unless they chose to obviously)-it'd take a long time die out but if everyone followed our Pope's teaching then AIDs would die out!
Long live the Pope!
yeah, because everyone should do what they're told to do. Who needs democracy anyway. Let the Church run the country- they'd be bound to do a good job :rolleyes:

I'll listen to any sensible idea on how to improve the world and make it a better place for everyone to live, but to take orders from a shower of self-interested wannabe politicians who are more interested in protecting child-molesters than dealing with some of the massive social issues facing the third world- no chance. when they sort themselves out, they can think about telling others what to do

[finlma]

.....if everyone followed our Pope's teaching then AIDs would die out!
Long live the Pope!

Why don't you got out and stone a few gays then :rolleyes:

The man and his organisation are a bunch of morons.

[JohnB]

Happy new year, John and a compliment too. :eek: Thanks for the scientific pep talk but call me ignorant or a reactionary or a Bob Jones wannabe, but I'll stick to believing in God if that's fine by you. :p ;)

HNY to you an' all senor :) . Personally, I don't see much of a conflict between believing in god and believing that evolution takes place. I understand St Augustine taught a form on evolutionary theory when he first came to these islands. Still think that religion is past its sell by date though. But if it makes you happy, hallelujah! ;)

[Lionel Ritchie]

Of course its not a solution to the AIDS problem, but then again Éanna's whole assumption of JP being evil based based on condoms.

Sell a few paintings to contribute? Sure that would contribute a bit but look how much the Catholic church gives already;

How much does the Irish/British/Americian Governments save thanks to the Churches. Can you imagne in the morning if the Catholic Church/COI decided they didnt want to play ball anymore.

If that was to happen;
Oppps there goes the whole education system. Ahhh crap our health service is gone too. Oh look no care places available anymore, oh dearie me half of the sports grounds in the country are also gone.

In short we would last very long or else the Government would have to spend countless times our GDP to aquire this services, sites, organisations etc

whoa whoa ...hold the horses. Apparently I wasn't specific enough when asserting that the RC church should "take some of the hit" for easing hardship in the third world. I didn't actually mean a financial hit.
Though the RC church has amassed a vulgar amount of wealth it probably wouldn't go all that far if they sold off the family jewels to alleviate the poverty of their flock. As someone with an interest in and gainfully employed in the arts I'm happy enough to see the church hold onto the vast quantities of artworks and antiquities it's amassed as they're held in trust for the cultural benefit of all -past, present and future.
I'd be quite happy for JP to hold onto his bling-bling but draw in his horns on some of his teachings and basically get practical when it comes to issues like HIV/AIDS prevention ...that also means telling his priests...

NOT to use their pulpits to tell people which way they ought to vote on issues or elections (which they're not supposed to do anyway)

NOT to allign themselves in any official capacity with pressure groups or political parties (which they're not supposed to do anyway)

I hold out no hope that he'll ever do that -but that's just the beginning of what it'll take before his office stops being part of the problem and gets on board being part of the solution.

[lopez]

HNY to you an' all senor :) . Personally, I don't see much of a conflict between believing in god and believing that evolution takes place. I understand St Augustine taught a form on evolutionary theory when he first came to these islands. Still think that religion is past its sell by date though. But if it makes you happy, hallelujah! ;)Of course there's no conflict in both unless you stick to the Garden of Eden story. But then it would have been a nightmare for Moses to tell the Israelites what you just said. As for religion past its sell by date, your entitled to your opinion. But is British society better now than in the 1940s when the majority of people believed in God? Regards to class and any related 'struggle' but not with regards to crime. On the other hand some more secular - perhaps atheist - societies have lower crime and more respect for their neighbours: Eg: The Sweden that my pals in Kansas think God hates. Now John: Let's pray! :D

[JohnB]

But is British society better now than in the 1940s when the majority of people believed in God?

I'd say so and, the same goes for RoI. There are more issues than I'd care to go into, but I'd say that religion often punishes the ignorant and many people were pretty ignorant in the early part of the last century.

Women staying with abusive husbands because 'God had joined them'; people afraid to report paedophile priests etc. It's good that we've left a lot of that behind. Given the choice, there's no there's no other time period I'd prefer to live in and, one of the reasons for that is because religion has slackened its grasp on people's lives. I'd certainly be happy to pray that that remains the case. :)

[Fair_play_boy]

If I came across this topic in a newspaper or a library book, I would not even look at it.
However, seeing as it is written by familiar foot.ie folk, I have read every word.
Really fascinating stuff, thank you one and all.
My word! Aren't soccer supporters a very well-informed bunch all the same!

[lopez]

Women staying with abusive husbands because 'God had joined them'; people afraid to report paedophile priests etc. It's good that we've left a lot of that behind. Given the choice, there's no there's no other time period I'd prefer to live in and, one of the reasons for that is because religion has slackened its grasp on people's lives. I'd certainly be happy to pray that that remains the case. :)Apart from having to put up with Pat Boone as a kid from my dad and that album of Flavor Crea, that's where I and the BJU alumni part. Mind you, what you quote was much more the case with the Ireland that my father was born in and which the Mad Mullah of Kiliney tried to turn into an RC Iran. There were later reports that he too was a nonce as well, although the source of this came from his arch enemy Noel Browne, and after the mullah died.